Er.... not another stadium debate? You cannot be serious!!!

With all the BS about a new stadium not having a great atmosphere like Goodison... the stadium doesn?t make the atmosphere ? the fans sitting in the stadium make the atmosphere. Everton can?t stay at Goodison forever. Eventually a new stadium is going to have to be built, so get over it.

And both easily accessible to fans. There in endeth the comparison.

Paul, I think you're right, it's the fans that make the ground. I just feel that over the past weeks there has been a lack of atomsphere. Maybe we?re expecting more or it?s been an anti-climax since the win against the RS but 4-0 v Wigan and it didn?t feel great but just OK so what.

Let's hope that we turn up the volume at Wembley. COYB

Hamburg, Nuremburg, Cologne ? lovely stadia no messing.New stadium in Kirkby ? lovely... But not for Everton FC.

Everton FC is from a poor working-class area of north Liverpool and there it should remain. A football club without tradition and integrity will not last. When the Sky bubble bursts we would be one of the few English teams to retain such priceless commodities. Let?s leave Kirkby to the new "MK Toffees".

Anyone fancy joining me in Stanley Park for the first ever match involving AFC Everton in season 2012-13? Premier League by 2025!!

Is your AFC Everton team going to share the RS new stadium Terry!!!!!!!

Hamburg is the richest city in Germany (& that?s saying something) and the stadium was re-developed, as were many others, in line with their brilliant hosting of the World Cup.

It actually holds 58,000 and, I believe like most German stadiums, still offers an area of standing terracing.

Comparisons are utterly pointless as the background & parameters are miles apart.

Everton have no money, no billionaire benefactor and a seemingly less than helpful local council. Until at least one of those factors changes, move on.

Terry I would be there, shit name though mate. I like Real Everton or Everton City of Liverpool. ECL solves our problem of people world wide not knowing our association with the city. I think this should be every Evertonian who won't go to Kirkby?s Plan B, if you?ll pardon the pun. After all, fuck 'um ? the club think we have no choice and the Yes voters are telling us to deal with it.

Let them realize what they've done when they're in a half-full stadium, we would still have our pride and sleep in the knowledge that we had no part in it. I believe in time we would be back where we belong in top flight English football. We have to let them know we may have an alternative to what they're planning.

The design of the stadium is almost irrelevant compared to the issues of accessibility & fininacial viability. This Kirkby stadium proposal has been nothing short of a tragedy for the way in which it?s divided good Blues, but if it ever gets built I fear it will turn into a disaster, leading to the demise of a once great football club.

Unfortunately, until the matter is resolved, one way or the other, there is no prospect of the Board getting the fresh blood needed to move the club forward.

Just on the subject of atmosphere, I wish the fans at Goodison would get out of the habit of waiting until we go 1-0 up before we even hear a whisper, just so that the Park End can sing ?We only sing when we?re winning? to the away support!

It is a case, though, of us now believing we will roll over most Premier League teams at Goodison without much fuss, but I just hope we do it from Day 1 next season.

"Everton FC is from a poor working-class" ? I hate all this working class bullshit. I am from a working class area, one grandfather was a miner, the other a steelman yet my family life is middle class. Although I am very proud of my family history, I have left working class behind and both grandfathers would be delighted.

How are everton working class? Its fans are from every corner of the UK ? not just the Everton area. Being working class doesn't mean you are better or have more rights than anyone else.

?I am from a working class area?.....?my family life is working class?..?I have left working class behind and both grandfathers would be delighted?.

What a wonderful insight into the pyschology and mechanics of the class system.

Somewhere a village is missing its idiot.

Yawn, yawn, yawn... here we go again!!!

I bet the Board are quaking in their boots at the prosepect of a fans' breakaway club being formed!!!! I'm sure you'll take the Business Houses League by storm!!!

The stadium is the ONLY solution to our problems and whilst it has many negatives it is the only way to move the club forward. People going on about ?working class club? are talking out their arse and they know it. Football is not about working class, middle class or any other class. It might've been in the 19th century but we?ve moved on from there!!!!

I'm from Liverpool ? ?a working class city? ? but now live in leafy middle-class Cheshire but, just so as I don't lose sight of my roots, I just love to breed my ferrets, smoke roll-up Woodbines which I keep under my cloth cap... UTTER BOLLOCKS!!

Lego land comes to mind.

Bit of a supercilious lad aren?t you Ciaran? Always ready with a condescending comment. By the way, is MacGiollaEoin of middle or working class roots?

Boys, working class is in your head and not measured by your bank account... I earn a lot of dosh, but I?d hate to be called middle class. As a club, we?ve always been in the community, I'd rather redevelop and have 45,000 seats than a 60,000-seater half-empty.

I thought Hamburg’s stadium looked impressive. If the tansport to/fro Kirkby could be sorted maybe, then just maybe...
As for talk of us being a poor working class small club is utter shite. NSNO means class in all its forms.
As for the wonderfully named lad who’s getting all precious about "...the pyschology and mechanics of the class system..." I think pseud’s corner is missing an author.

Yes, Ciaran. It certainly is.

Steve, the transport links CANNOT be improved unless there is millions of pounds invested into the rail network and for Everton to pay for the buses.

Most German cities have tram links and that is what makes them so accessible, and we all know the Merseytram scheme is dead and buried.

Finally, Hamburg and most of the German stadiums have been redeveloped not moved away from their heartland.

Terry, the design for Desperation Kirkby is simple: 4 sides with no frills.

Terry Smith - do you really mean to suggest that only poor people can be true Evertonians?

Presumably had the Kings Dock happened then that would be wrong, as it would imply EFC had moved its demographic. You throw up some interesting questions (all of them totally ridiculous).

Perhaps we should have stewards on each turnstile who refuse entry to anyone wearing a suit, or even smart casual? Or maybe real fans need to smell of fish, or coal, or be covered in dust & rubble. Perhaps there should be a test of accents and anyone veering away from deep scouse is ejected.

Never cease to be amazed by the absolute bollocks that gets posted here sometimes. Terry Smith, take a bow & accept your prize for spouting the biggest load of bollocks since.... well, who cares.

130 years before Everton was founded people used to leave school at 9 (if they had a school), get press-ganged into going to sea to fight the French & Spanish, have no access to medical care and die in their 40’s (if they were lucky).

130 years after Everton were founded you must be the only person there who hasn’t noticed that Liverpool has changed culturally, commercially, intellectually & demographically. I can see it from West Sussex, having left in the Thatcher era to find work. Liverpool is being re-born as a city of opportunity in business, media, education and culture. Instead of wallowing in the narrow streets & open sewers of Victoriana, pull your head out of your arse and see what’s going on.

Liverpool has the fastest growing student population in the UK. Young people from the 4 corners of the globe are all potential fans & ambassadors for our club. It would appear they would fail your fan test because of their nationality, roots, skin colour, intellect or dress sense.

I thought dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. Certainly didn’t expect to find one at Goodison Park.

Ah Gavin Harris... you can take the boy out of the slum, but you can’t take the slum out of the boy.

But your comments were honest and we clearly differ in our opinions (leave off on the insults Ciarán - we’re all Evrtonians?) My important words were "integrity" and "tradition", not working class. Liverpool FC and Glsagow Celtic are from similar roots to ours but I now believe only one of those teams now retains a soul. A day will dawn - Sky will fall out of love with football - and these will be important qualities. John Street has it right from my perspective; redevelop in the city, 45,000 spaces and get the city to respect the name of Eveton FC. This is securing the future more than the risk of DK.

(P.S. - In case you’re wondering I have it on good authority that the soul of a certain team in red was indeed sold one balmy night during a half-time break in the Turkish city of Istanbul. How else would that have happened!)

Alan Kirwan: No I do not suggest only white, working class rather than any other social division should support Everton FC.

Can you not see your own contradiction from Walmington-on-Sea? It is precisely because of the positve litany you write about our city that we should be staying here. Let me further illustrate with two other statistics about the borough that would be our home from 2011.

• Knowsley - A borough without a single restaurant
• Knowsley - A borough without any non-Christian places of worship

No offence to all our Kirkby, Halewood and Huyton supporters here. But our future has to lie in the possibilities presented by our location IN THE CITY.

Paul Jenks, the design of a stadium has a huge impact on atmosphere. For your argument to simply consist of ’fans make the atmosphere’ is beyond simplistic that it’s the equivalent of saying fans open their mouths when they sing.

There is far far more that goes into atmosphere, for example postioning of a roof is an obvious one. Where are your main singers going to in relation to that roof? These are just a couple of matters that Kirkby hasn’t considered

Terry Meehan - Hamburg is a different design to Kirkby.

Hamburg does not have executive boxes at the back of the lower tier, and the upper tier at Hamburg canitilevers over the lower tier. That is a big difference for atmosphere.

Terry Smith, Rich Jones ? I?m with you all the way. Let?s leave Kirkby to the melts that claim to support Everton.

DK’s design is nothing like Hamburg.

In fact it’s got very little in common with Cologne’s stadium upon which Fatboy Wyness claimed it had been modelled.

It’s a basic design. It has no recognisable differences to Ewood Park other than it’s a bit bigger. Of course, when some people realise that it will be too late.

Terry - my apologies, I may have misread your thesis regarding working class etc.

Not sure what the contradiction is regarding the fact that I live in Arundel. Many scousers (in fact, many people of any origin) leave home for business reasons and end up making a life elsewhere. So what? I?ve been an Evertonian since I was 4 and lived in the Dingle until I was 20.

The demographic changes in football clubs' support mirror the changes in society as a whole. People are more mobile and choose to live in new places because it suits them. This time next year, we will be living in the south of France. Been going there for 30 years, got married there, kids love it, good schools, I can work from there AND getting to Liverpool is quicker or as quick as it is to drive from Arundel.

The Kirkby argument is old & boring. The club is sticking to its guns and I fully appreciate why. I don?t agree with it, I wish more than anything that sanity might just make an 11th hour appearance and a fabulous joint arena of global renown is the result. I will go to Kirkby because I am an Evertonian and if that?s where they play then so be it.

But like all sensible people, I cling to the hope that a rabbit will jump from the hat before the first shovel hits the ground.

Terry, Graham ? that's 3 of us, little acorns hey!! I?m sure if it happens that we could get a large percentage of that 80% who now disagree with the whole fuckin sell-out and surrender of the city of Liverpool to them lot, christ this move to Kirkby would do more for Liverpool FC than any rich arab or winning the Premier League even. Overnight, they would become a one-city club with half a million people in it. Fuck me, Yes-voters ? can't you see this???

Ciarán MacGiollaEoin ? Having read quite a few of your posts on this website, I think it's fair to say you are the dumb arse.

My point was simply that Everton are not any more a working class club because our fans are from all walks of life and parts of the UK. If again, if you disagree with that you?re certainly a dumb arse!

Terry Smith: "Ah Gavin Harris... you can take the boy out of the slum, but you can?t take the slum out of the boy. "

What sort of wanker would say that? I feel for your wife, I really do...

Only we can ?surrender? Liverpool to the RS and allow there to be a ?one city club?.

My father was born a few hundred yards from Goodison, and in his first job he worked for the Liverpool based Martins Bank ? working on a mobile bank branch in Kirkby. He didn?t think then that he was going to another town, and nor will anyone else. They all spoke with Liverpool accents there, just like he did.

The Milton Keynes comparison is simply ridiculous. For those of us who live down in London, moving to Kirkby is more like the old Wimbledon moving to Crystal Palace or Charlton (at a stretch).

On the working class nonsense, how do you guys square that you would have been very happy to go to the Kings Dock (a super bourgeois commercial venue which would transformed the character of the club), but are so against Kirkby (is there a more working class area in the country?)?

Amazing how a post about the design and atmosphere of the stadium at DK can turn into a debate on the British class system...

I suppose it just shows how divisive this whole idea is.

You can deny it all you like Neil Pearce, but YOU, not me will be surrendering the city to Liverpool and when WE are a nothing club ? such as Bolton or Blackburn or, to use a more local example to yourself, Watford or Reading, lets say ? and Liverpool have the biggest leg up they could ever have given themselves, I for one will never, ever forgive you and your kind and your illustrious leader, the great Blue Bill.

Rich, it really is a shame that you think so little of the football club that we both support, and indeed the supporters that we both count ourselves among, that you think moving a few miles up the road in the same city will see all our history and all our support collapse. I don?t think we are that small.

You think we will become a small club like Waford or Reading. I don?t, I think we are much bigger than that and always will be. You think we will abandon the city to Liverpool. I don?t. I think we are much bigger than that and always will be. (And - once more ? we might be going to bloody Kirkby; we are not moving to Wilmslow.)

I would prefer it if we had had enough money to build a fabulous stadium of our own in the city. But, at least at the moment, we don?t. I would prefer it we did the sensible thing and shared a ground with our neighbours. But it seems people are too stupid and selfish for that.

Given all this, if we end up in Kirkby, not an ideal option we surely all agree, but with perhaps Jack Rodwell captaining us, and James Vaughan up front ? I will be there with the vast majority of Evertonians who are continuing the story of our great club. It will be sad if you do not choose to join us.

Neil, do you REALLY HONESTLY still believe that Kirkby is the right option for Everton at this time? The transport issue alone will kill the crowd levels and the financial returns do not stack up.

Tesco are not doing anything for us except ensure the contractors work for the same rate as they do Tesco. I am sure right now any contractor would do the job for the same or a lesser price. But what is the point in building a stadium that is substandard to GP except for it?s newness. Most views are twice the distance from the pitch which negates the restricted view argument.

The transport arrangements are so bad that most fans will miss some of the game. I could go on but you?ve heard it all before.

But if all we want is capacity increase to generate more income, the Park End could be double-tiered for about £15 to 20 million, increasing our capacity to 48000. I ask again, can any pro-DK supporter show me financial justification?

You can be part of Bills plaything Neil. I wont I’ve got my pride if you dont give 2 hoots for what and who we are then thats your business, your welcome to Kirkby you and the other 15,000 odd mugs on a cold Tuesday night to see us take on Bristol Rovers in the Carling cup. Enjoy your 2mile walk back to the car park afterwards. Ile visit this site to remind you of our endless debates, the thing is Neil if I’m right I dont think you would show your face on here, there again you do have a rare knack of telling people black is white I,m sure come up with some more bull-shit about how we’re better off.

This is a major milestone in the future of the Club... This has dealt the club a blow from which it may never recover... When the dust settles and the verdict is in, comments like this will be used by BOTH sides of the DK debate.

Jay - as I have always said, I agree that the transport issues are very serious and need to be satisfactorily solved. But I do not share your (or Rich?s pessimism) that Kirkby would result in 15,000 crowds. Not unless Moyes and all the best players have gone, replaced by rubbish.

And I think we need a new ground to get the new owner we need (shows how much I am in love with Kenwright, Rich, despite all your endless ravings on this topic). And that Kirkby is still by far the cheapest new ground we are going to be able to get.

Rich, I look forward to debating all these issues with you in the years to come, as we see, whether Kirkby or not, the next chapter in the history of our great club. You are the one who will be on another site, now supporting Walton Wanderers, not me.

Real Everton vs your Kirkby Rrovers it is then... in ten years time I would take my inner city club over your small provincial club anytime.

Rich - Everton will be an urban Merseyside club if and when we are in Kirkby, the true continuation of the great Everton FC. Kirkby is not a province, it?s four miles down the road, full of generations of scousers who work all over Merseyside. Was Alan Stubbs born in a distant middle class province, for Chrissakes Rich?

Rich: WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO MOVE TO WILMSLOW! This is more like West Ham moving to the London Docklands. Not the very heart of their history, for sure, but east end cockneys just down the road. This is not West Ham moving to Brighton.

But if that?s the way you want it, Rich, I wish you all the best as Walton Village Wanderers AFC.

Give me the business plan to back it up then, Neil. I challenge you: facts and figures ? not comments like "we may get a new owner" or "we need a new stadium"... FIGURES, NEIL. You can?t because neither can the club.

Rich, whenever you are defeated on one point of the argument (eg obviously Kirkby isn?t Wilmslow, obviously Kenwright can?t make millions out of a clear financial disaster)... you simply refuse to respond to what I?ve said, and move the argument somewhere else.

Whenever I respond to that, you simply go back again to one of your previous idiocies (Kirkby is in the provinces, this is all to line Kenwright?s pockets etc....). Frankly, I can?t see the point anymore.

I have laid out many times why I think that Kirkby will have higher revenues than GP at an unbeatable cost for a new ground, and why I think a new ground could attract a new richer owner for us (because I believe Kenwright needs to go ? get it?). I have agreed that transportation issues are a real concern. I have agreed that I wish we had more money to afford something better. I am so not in love with Kirkby that I have written many times how I think a ground share is the only sensible way forward. I blame Kenwright amongst many others for not bringing this about.

What more is there to be said to you? You simply come back with an abusive caricature that I am hopelessly in love with Kirkby and hopelessly in love with Kenwright, and hell bent on destroying the club I love.

All I know now from you is that you want to stay in Walton at GP come what may, even if it means becoming Walton Village Wanderers AFC. That?s fine, but I?m not staying with you and nor will the majority of Evertonians. Yours is a narrow and pessimistic view of our club and its future that I do not share.

COYB at Villa today!

You've never once provided credible figures, Neil, not once. Neither can your superiors. I'm not surprised once again that you can?t or won?t... by the way, who said I wasn?t prepared to move from Goodison? You really are making a fool of yourself again, Neil.

Rich, don?t be an idiot. Of course I cannot provide precise figures, any more than you can provide precise figures of what the future costs and revenues of rebuilding GP would be. We are all operating as fans with the best assumptions and logics that we can make. You, me and everybody else.

That?s why it is so disappointing that you won?t respond on ANY of these assumptions and logics and simply come back all the time with abuse.

By the way, how do you think we are going to afford this new ground in the city you might like to move to Rich? (Don?t bother anwering. It will be as unrealistic and ignorant as the rest of your answers.)

Final attempt Rich with you.

I know what you are against (Kenwright is the devil, Kirkby is in the distant provinces, I am fool...). Okay.

But tell me this: what Rich are you IN FAVOUR OF for our club, and HOW do you think we can realistically get it?

Otherwise it is pointless continuing to exchange views with you. Anyone can be against things and be abusive with anyone who tries to come up with some realistic options.

Rich - an attempt at Evertonian friendship as we both gear up for today?s game...

Has it ever occurred to you that we probably want EXACTLY THE SAME for our club??

For my part, in an ideal world, I would like to convert GP into a wonderfully modern 50,000-seater stadium with revenue generating corporate and hospitality facilities just like The Emirates. Just as good almost, I would like us to build our own new stadium right on Stanley Park.

What about you?

(The differences obviously are only about what we think is realistically possible, not about what we want.)

Ladies and Gents: There are two better options than Kirkby.

One has been staring you in the face all afternoon. Villa Park used to be an odd place. The absolutely enormous Holte End terrace, that poxy liitle stand down the side, the Wiiton End with the executive boxes and a listed building for a Main Stand. Despite staging FA Cup semi-finals (because it was central) every season, it was never a patch on Goodison Park. 15 years ago, Doug Ellis commenced a rebuilding plan and today you saw an atmospheric, historic stadium with no pillars and plenty of corporate facilities (not that these will be in high demand for the next few seasons, but that?s another subject).

Villa have not been winning loads of trophies in that time, have not been in the Champions League and have also kept Premier League status and rebuilt their ground. They also had to enlarge an odd-shaped site and knock down a street of houses. Clearly this option can be possible so why are EFC so reluctant to take it?

Option 2 is to be part of something very special in Stanley Park, creating a world class facility for the City of Liverpool. Whilst I accept that the arrogant Reds won?t want that yet while they cling to the pipe dream of doing it on their own, if EFC had ever had the courage and sense to make it public they could see it being a good idea, then maybe the politicians would be a bit more prepared to push the idea to LFC.

Neil: You clearly care about the Club and we?ve crossed swords a few times in the past, and some respect is due to you for putting in the effort of always replying on here. It is a debate and there should not be abuse of fellow Evertonians. All I would say to you though, is that in the rush to find a stadium solution it just seems to many of us that the Club have just gone for the easy option and the quickest option rather than the best option. You?ll probably say DK is the only option put forward, but what has been so utterly infuriating for many of us is this exclusivity thing has strangled any other serious attempts. Bestway, were basically told to get lost without any serious thought being given and Wyness just wheeling out some consultants to say it was not possible when HOK say it is. Who would you really trust in that scenario?

I don?t know if you drive up, go with ESCLA or get to Goodison some other way, Neil, but, if you haven?t done it yet, I suggest you go via Kirkby next time you visit Goodison. Take a good look at what surrounds the proposed site and ask yourself if this is really where we should be. Then see how long it takes you to drive to Goodison and you will realise just how far out from the City centre DK really is. It?s a bloody long way! Is that really a good thing?

First of all, Neil, can you point to any personal abuse? I?ve looked over the comments and can?t see any you really do turn into a bit of a namby pamby when the debate gets a bit heated, I could point to you saying my postings are ravings and that I?m an idiot as abuse but heyho I?m not the man who believes all the grey haired ones fairytales, maybe I?m just a little bit more passionate about this whole affair, perhaps thats the difference between us I suppose.

I?m against us moving out of the city of Liverpool, Neil, quite simple really. If we have to have a shit ground (and that's what we?re getting in Kirkby, Neil) because it's all we can afford then I'll accept that as long as it has atmosphere, I also believe that there are credible costing to be found on this link www.blackwidowinternet.com/everton

I think the other thing is that I?m astonished at the Yes camp ? if you like being prepared to take the very speculative risk, particularly now all the club's own figures are so questionable and now even they won't back them by hiding behind commercial sensitivity.

What gets me more, Neil, is that I can understand why Kenwright's doing it but I can?t understand why Evertonians are still backing it... although, Neil, I think that you're on very dodgy ground if you're claiming you are in a majority. I would question if there ever was one; I certainly don't trust the vote that was conducted under the previous CEO and you only have to look at the recent votes on TW, NSNO and Bluekipper to see you are now clearly in a minority.

Neil I?m still your friend ? after all, you are a Blue... if very trusting and misguided. Lol ? no abuse intended!!

Gavin Harris ? You said:

"Although I am very proud of my family history, I have left working class [roots] behind and both grandfathers would be delighted."

I say:

What?s with the need to deny your class? Clearly anyone that professes to be no longer working-class has some type of pathological condition and fear of the actual reality of his situation.

You?re probably one of those people that lives in a semi-detached house in a suburb, drives a dull estate car and sometimes has a dinner party.

Mate, that doesn?t make you middle-class, it makes you, at best, a member of the petit bourgeoisie, a class made up of instrumental working-class people that usually vote conservative and deny, at every opportunity, what everyone else can see.

Who in their right mind would come on here to tell us he?s middle-class, FFS!

Neil ? You admit serious reservations regarding the transport issue, yet still back the scheme? That doesn?t make any sense to me. The club has had 18 months to convince you/us, and even a Public Inquiry that these concerns have been resolved. They can?t! It?s a logistical impossibility to make a peripheral site as accessible as a more central one for its city?s inhabitants unless you completely re-configure that city.

The much lauded park and ride scheme, the hundreds of buses and new trains and station etc, like so much of that promised to win our vote has all long since vanished into the general mythology that is DK ? a means to end and no more than that. Yet still you keep the faith?

You also still seem to confuse what is the best business sense for any out-going selling owners and that for the club simply based on whether or not the current incumbents make "millions" out of the deal. It is a complete irrelevance, ask the current and previous owners of Newcastle United!

DK is not a stadium-led scheme, and never has been.... therefore, by definition, the club?s priorities and aspirations are secondary.... it is the square peg in a round hole to justify a third party?s quite different needs whom the current ownership is beholden to. This whole scenario is why the likes of Simon Inglis, a completely independent and world-renowned stadium expert, with no axe to grind with EFC or its Board, stated very clearly and without reservation that if this was his club (which is actually Villa) proposing such a move, so distant from the centre of its fanbase and city centre, he would be "very worried".

Bottom line is and always was... even a truly state-of-the-art facility, costing nothing (neither of which even remotely applies to DK) in such a poorly served location would fail. That?s why out-of-town stadia are rapidly becoming extinct, many of which were far superior to what?s on offer at Kirkby. Ask yourself why Arsenal only moved around the corner, or why Spurs are building next door when both had far cheaper and less problematic options out of town....

Any stadium we can?t get to as easily as GP is the proverbial white elephant. Meanwhile, £78m spent on GP would easily realise all the additional capacity and executive provision and more that is promised at Kirkby, which incidentally isn?t great on quality or quantity in any case.

Furthermore, this can be done in bite-size affordable chunks to ensure that funds for the team are not stifled, especially as we are so close to having a really good side..... Of course, none of this would placate the real drivers of this "only" option, the retail men whose great business plan freed up approximately just £12m towards stadium build costs at Kirkby! Of course they can?t even show where they get that figure from! Hardly deal of the century nor stadium for "practically nothing" though!

Cheers Tom - the final word!