Wembley ? A No-Jô Area?
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Forgive me for being ignorant of the rules and regulations governing Association Football, but can anyone definitively explain the thinking behind the cup-tied rule?
It baffles me that Alves Jo only played a cameo substitute appearance in Man City's 3rd round exit, and is subsequently prohibited from taking any further part in the competition having changed clubs ? yet he's allowed to play in the league... so why not the cup too?
I'm sure there is a simple answer, and it does not require Statto to answer it, but I think this rule sucks. If a player has transferred mid-season, what's the problem?
Aploogies if I sound like an idiot here (in my defence, I caught quite a bit of sun today!!) but could someone with more brain cells clear this up please? What is the principle behind such a ruling?
Despite this moot point, his absence I feel will not terribly damage our chances. We have enough in that dressing room to exploit the growing cracks in that team's smug facade...
As long as we don't shit out.
Kevin Hudson,
Stoneycroft Posted 14/04/2009 at 15:13:43
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Michael Kenrick
Good question! I think it dates back a long way to the time when clubs might have been tempted to pack their teams with ringers of all shapes and sizes. In the very early history of the FA Cup, we got stung a couple of times if I recall.
In the modern age, but before the advent of the transfer window, I thought the rule was in place to prevent teams that had made progress in the competition from then "unfairly" seeking an advantage by bringing in better players from teams that had been eliminated.
The transfer window changes that whole dynamic, and makes the rule something of an anachronism for Premier League clubs entering in January but, for the minnows playing through the qualifying and early rounds, I'm sure the rule is still needed.
Could be wrong here, but didnt the rule used to be the player be ineligible for 2 rounds after the transfer ??
It really is a bizaare rule in today’s game with the Transfer Window. Given the FA Cup’s structure it, it wouldn’t be difficult to administer a policy which saw that the rule was only for transfers from clubs outside of automatic qualification (Prem and Championship teams). It might be argued that transfers to said clubs should be affected, but given that it would be likely borderline retiring players moving down the ranks (ala Barmby), it would be unlikely to be necessary. Realistically in top flight football would only really come from teams involved in non-domestic competitons, and so the Yak couldn;t head off as soon as we were out of Europe (Window obliging).
However, it would of course really still have to affect players on loan - so either way Jo would be watching from the stands for us.
I just hope Saha gets over his "virus" and there’s no kind of "gentleman’s" agreement in place.
Getting slightly off the subject here but now Peanut Head has been chosen to ref our semi, can anyone remember a while back when Mike Dean was told he wasn’t allowed to officiate in any games involving Everton, Liverpool or Tranmere as he comes from Merseyside? Now with Riley being a confirmed Manure fan, how can he be expected to make objective decisions without his personal bias colouring his judgement, I know I could never be neutral where the blues are concerned. This is another slap in the face for clubs who are forerver chasing the sky dollar wallers.
I guess the ruling is to stop there being any claims of match fixing by having one player appear for 2 teams in the same competition. I can see why it’s done.
If Man City were still in it and Jo, whilst playing for us, misses 5 sitters and bags an own goal, there would be a lot of questions asked. Also, the inverse is possible, Jo, has been tapped up by our lot, knows he has a move on the cards and does the same thing in order for us to avoid meeting Man City in the later stages.
It will also stop one team in the competition from supplementing another’s squad in order to knock out one of the better sides.
For example, if Arsenal or Chelsea were to loan us a couple of their players who generally are on the bench (not saying that they would improve our team, before anyone has a go, just an example!), in order to try & help knock Utd out.
Obviously the transfer window negates this in most rounds, but in the January round it is possible that this situation could arise.
I think the rule is really only about arse-covering.
The rule seems to apply in virtually all cup competitions in all sports. The usual penalty for transgression is removal from the competition and at least one non-league team has suffered that fate this season.
As far as Saha?s possible absence is concerned, he is just a walking sick-note!
And the next question is "Will Jo be allowed to play in the Man City game next week?"
Its a fair rule, he?s been knocked out, no second chances.
With the transfer window in place it is now a silly rule. Originally the transfer deadline day was around March/Aril? so the Cup tied rule was based on teams who reach the latter stages of competitions buying all the best players just for a couple of matches. That scenario is now out of date.
I’d start with Vaughny anyways lads. I know the argument against him doing so, but I think the lad’s adrenaline will carry him through.
I honestly believe he would have more to offer in this one off match. He will hury and hastle
Cahill up front, Rodwell in the middle for me.
Completely ridiculous, I could understand if city were still in the cup.
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In the modern age, but before the advent of the transfer window, I thought the rule was in place to prevent teams that had made progress in the competition from then "unfairly" seeking an advantage by bringing in better players from teams that had been eliminated.
The transfer window changes that whole dynamic, and makes the rule something of an anachronism for Premier League clubs entering in January but, for the minnows playing through the qualifying and early rounds, I'm sure the rule is still needed.