The Mail Bag
Vile Chants Leave at Home
Comments (63)
On Sunday, I sincerely hope those amongst us hell bent on singing vile anti-Rooney chants etc etc please keep your vile chants to yourself. We don't need that nonesense on Sunday.
This should be a celebration of our great Club ? don't let idiotic chants divert your attenton from supporting the boys on the pitch. Our club is in the shop window at the highest level on Sunday, get behind our team and don't leave people with the impression of us being sad, bitter and twisted (even if some of us are).
Put on a great show and you never know, our loyalty might be rewarded with our very own billionaire investors waking up to the potential that is Everton Football Club. Let's stamp out this bitter nonsense ? this is even more pertinent when we consider today's Anniversary.
Personally, I am sick of the vile chanting that has crept onto the terraces in recent times ? the humour displayed at villa ("handball" jibes for instance) was a hell of a lot more enjoyable and both sides had a great laugh. I do hope our return to Wembley coincides with a return to decent chants coming from our fans full of humour and no hint of vile abuse.
Steve Callaghan, Posted 15/04/2009 at 08:09:25
Comments
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
Main ’anti’ Rooney chant - "Fat little nobhead"
Vile?
Personally I find this very funny.
Subjective you see.
Funniest thing I’ve ever heard was "without your kecks on!’ at the end of ’When You’re Smiling’ (70’s)
This always made me laugh.
Again subjective.
Vile?
Personally I find this very funny.
Subjective you see.
Funniest thing I’ve ever heard was "without your kecks on!’ at the end of ’When You’re Smiling’ (70’s)
This always made me laugh.
Again subjective.
Rooney?s just the pantomime baddy. Nothing wrong with a bit of grown up abuse!
Best/funniest abusive Everton chant? Now that?s more of an interesting subject. What was the 60s' one about Bobby Charlton? Anyone remember?
Best/funniest abusive Everton chant? Now that?s more of an interesting subject. What was the 60s' one about Bobby Charlton? Anyone remember?
I’ve paid me money so I’ll chant what the fuck I want; thanks very much, vile or otherwise - as long as it isn’t illegal!
Can you see much from your high horse Stevie baby?
If Rooney gets upset he can always count his money after the game...
Can you see much from your high horse Stevie baby?
If Rooney gets upset he can always count his money after the game...
Kev - if that floats your boat then you are perfectly entitled. Maybe when you grow hair on your balls you might be able to reflect on whether that is how we want our fans to be depicted and how we want our children to follow... hopefully, you will be in the minority.
For god's sake, it's a football match not a cricket game. If it's not illegal then there's nothing wrong with it, let's sing songs about Everton of course, but if Rooney decides to be a nobhead I?m going to tell him!
In other words a bit of both wouldn?t go amiss!
In other words a bit of both wouldn?t go amiss!
Vile chanting! Fat little knobhead! The so-called vile chanting was dying down until he stokes up the fire with his vile behaviour every time he plays us or the shite. I say keep it up as it always seems to affect his game, it did at Goodison and against the shite the other week.
Steve, why don't you stay at home if you don't like it? If it puts them off their game it will be great. It's part of football.
Steve you?re entitled to your opinion although this is more like getting on a soap box.
However, not only does that little knobhead deserve it but I want Everton to succeed and do the Mancs at whatever the costs. Now abuse aimed at Rooney puts him off his game. Take this season's Goodision derby where he was subbed before he was sent off. For that reason alone, I will be belting out as much abuse as I can whether you cringe at it or not.
This is football mate. If you don?t like it or you get embarassed take your bird/wife the pictures instead. But don?t tell other Everton fans what to do just because it?s not something you approve off.
However, not only does that little knobhead deserve it but I want Everton to succeed and do the Mancs at whatever the costs. Now abuse aimed at Rooney puts him off his game. Take this season's Goodision derby where he was subbed before he was sent off. For that reason alone, I will be belting out as much abuse as I can whether you cringe at it or not.
This is football mate. If you don?t like it or you get embarassed take your bird/wife the pictures instead. But don?t tell other Everton fans what to do just because it?s not something you approve off.
Steve, although I fully agree with you, remember where football has its roots. Not much has changed in over 100 years.
Football is not a game played or supported by gentlemen.
Football is not a game played or supported by gentlemen.
When did Rooney?s wife upset Blues fans?? Never as far as Im aware yet there are vile chants about her everytime Man Utd are at Goodison. I told a moron sat next to me earlier in the season to cut it out as I didn't think it right my 12-year-old daughter should have to listen to his foul mouth. He looked at me like he was from Mars and failed to see why I or anyone else could be offended!!!!
Dont give me all the crap as "I've paid my money, I'll chant what I want". And as it happens if it is offensive then it is illegal. Go check your laws!!!
Dont give me all the crap as "I've paid my money, I'll chant what I want". And as it happens if it is offensive then it is illegal. Go check your laws!!!
Steve I’m with you.
As for suggesting that it puts him off his game, just look at their results against us. You normally find that it just spurs the ’Fat little Nobhead’ on even more anyway.
As for suggesting that it puts him off his game, just look at their results against us. You normally find that it just spurs the ’Fat little Nobhead’ on even more anyway.
All you vile, foul mouthed pricks can go fuck yourselves. There is no room for fucking foul language and shit behavior at the fucking ground or on this fucking forum. If your fucking parents had done a fucking better job you?d have developed a fucking vocabulary and would know how to fucking behave.
ps: Fuck Rooney and FucK United.
That's hilarious Pete. Well done sir.....
Political Correctness is alive and well in the UK I see... :-)
Steve - I’m with you. I’ve never seen the point in moronic abuse. Good humoured banter, I’ve no problem with even if it is near the knuckle. I like to think we’re all supporters - the clue is in the word.
Chris ? I think you?ll find it?s the greedy, overpaid, primadona footballers completely losing touch with the average fan that has caused the shift in football supporters' behaviours. When you see one of your own (supposedly) shit on all the fans and the club then it?s going to bring the worst out of a lot of people.
Sean ? I sit in the Park End which as specifically supposed to be an adult stand no concessions for children. I will shout what I want, end of. I assume you were sitting somewhere else which is fair enough if you?ve got your daughter.
Ben Howard ? just looking at results isn?t proof. We?re playing Man Utd FFS. I?ve been to all games home and away against them since he left and he?s been shite whenever he?s took abuse. The only time he was decent was when we were winning 2-0 and the fans eased off him, he grew in confidence and we lost the game 4-2.
Look at what happened this season in the 1-1. game. Do what you want but I and many of the 33,000 will (I can assure you).
Sean ? I sit in the Park End which as specifically supposed to be an adult stand no concessions for children. I will shout what I want, end of. I assume you were sitting somewhere else which is fair enough if you?ve got your daughter.
Ben Howard ? just looking at results isn?t proof. We?re playing Man Utd FFS. I?ve been to all games home and away against them since he left and he?s been shite whenever he?s took abuse. The only time he was decent was when we were winning 2-0 and the fans eased off him, he grew in confidence and we lost the game 4-2.
Look at what happened this season in the 1-1. game. Do what you want but I and many of the 33,000 will (I can assure you).
Stevie sunshine, it’s the hair on my head I’m worried about not the hair on my balls.
To be honest, my chanting days are well over apart from the odd ’Ev -er-ton’ and I do most of it at the Telly - but come on lad. Shouting abuse at opposition players has been going on since The Royal Engineers Played Corinthian Casuals for that new fangled FA Cup
The thing which winds me up more than anything is self appointed busy bodies saying stuff like "We’re in the Shop Window" or "we’re ambassadors for the club" and telling me how I can or cannot behave and what I can and cant say - yeah right.
And do you honestly think that some Russian oligarch who probably earned his millions from screwing the peasants is going to say to himself "I like Everton - they sing nice happy songs... here, have £250 million "... behave yourself son.
Football has been sterilised enough without self-appointed censors urging us to not sing, chant or only sing or chant what they approve of.
To be honest, my chanting days are well over apart from the odd ’Ev -er-ton’ and I do most of it at the Telly - but come on lad. Shouting abuse at opposition players has been going on since The Royal Engineers Played Corinthian Casuals for that new fangled FA Cup
The thing which winds me up more than anything is self appointed busy bodies saying stuff like "We’re in the Shop Window" or "we’re ambassadors for the club" and telling me how I can or cannot behave and what I can and cant say - yeah right.
And do you honestly think that some Russian oligarch who probably earned his millions from screwing the peasants is going to say to himself "I like Everton - they sing nice happy songs... here, have £250 million "... behave yourself son.
Football has been sterilised enough without self-appointed censors urging us to not sing, chant or only sing or chant what they approve of.
Yeah, it's complex alright ? the singing/chanting is a bit of a laugh and one of the last remaining things they can't stop us doing in front of the corporate fucks in the middle tier who stole half the tickets, but then again where do you draw the line? As some people will say, "Hey, I paid my money... well I'll shout racist abuse if I want," etc.
I'll be singing for the blues AND giving that fat little nobhead twat the usual barrage of hatred, I hate them Manc fuckers and I'm not afraid to let them know ? and I'll be hoping we can inflict a heart attack (or a red card will do) on Judas by winding him up.
That billionaire argument is frankly laughable, Steve ? plus don't you know that the microphones will be placed miles away from the Everton fans as usual, you big fat fucking baldy joker... :)
I'll be singing for the blues AND giving that fat little nobhead twat the usual barrage of hatred, I hate them Manc fuckers and I'm not afraid to let them know ? and I'll be hoping we can inflict a heart attack (or a red card will do) on Judas by winding him up.
That billionaire argument is frankly laughable, Steve ? plus don't you know that the microphones will be placed miles away from the Everton fans as usual, you big fat fucking baldy joker... :)
You are right ? it is subjective. Some humour is funny every time I hear it, and some is not. While "fat little knobhead" maybe true, and was funny once, (OK, twice), it ceased to be funny a long time go in my book. Same with the "baby?s not yours" stuff. It was funny a couple of times. Now its predictable. And not funny. Pretty soon it will become boring, predictable, not funny and yes ? even embarrassing. Move on. Repeating it time and again makes it less and less funny in my book
Agree that we all have a right to sing/chant what we want, but wasn't Steve?s point all about singing positive stuff rather than predictable comic-book bile that gives other people a stick to beat us with and has dubious effect on its targets? I don't agree that it always seems to affect his game.
Now, Racism is always wrong, it always has been and always will be - and it’s illegal.
But I can remember singing ’Kenny Dalgliesh is a Homosexual" with 30,000 others - that would get you 5 years in Walton now...
I also took the piss out of Phil Thompson’s nose and Souness’ muzzy... calling Rooney a fat little nobhead is mild in comparison
But I can remember singing ’Kenny Dalgliesh is a Homosexual" with 30,000 others - that would get you 5 years in Walton now...
I also took the piss out of Phil Thompson’s nose and Souness’ muzzy... calling Rooney a fat little nobhead is mild in comparison
I thought the vile chanting at Rooney earlier this season got to him and was the reason he had a shit game against us which resulted in Zralex taking him off.
"You’re fat, and you slap your wife!"
"You’re fat, and you slap your wife!"
Pointless post, Steve, as you?ll see from the responses. The Rooney thing isn?t the point. It?s us, the individuals fans that are responsible for what we shout, be it at a football match or any other walk of life. If you think shouting abuse at someone who can?t react to what you're saying is the thing to do then go for it.
I think it?s borderline funny looking at these asses on the TV. Grown men calling someone a wanker because he doesn?t play for their team. And I?m not talking about players who we might have an actual grievance with ? just an average player. Still, if it?s always been done then it?s the way to go. Now for the "pretentious" & "they make enough money" remarks.
Shane next time you go the match, I hope you take a box of tissues. I?m sure the rest of us "asses", however, probably won?t get upset at some chanting at the match!
Btw I heard Fulham are a nice family club that clap along for everyone and even have a nice mixed stand! How about going there and not being disgusted by us throngs of idiots that have the audacity of putting as much of our passion as possible into the team?
I reckon that Wayne Rooney lacks a certain sensitivity that might make vile chants in any way hurtful to him. Knocking Utd out of the cup and enjoying the look of bewildered simian hatred on his Neanderthal face would be pretty good, though.
Sorry to say, Steve, but vile chanting is part of the game. Rooney shows no respect for Everton FC, so what would give me the greatest pleasure is for EFC to win and fat knobhead to break his legs or neck ? I am not bothered which.
Well done on making your point without abusing me Matthew, genuinely.
But of course your point is nonsense and please don’t question my passion. Are you telling me I need to verbally abuse players from the safety of my seat to show passion. Wouldn’t cheering the team on cover that? Sure, I react to tackles and refereeing decisions, it’s human nature but are you telling me you don’t laugh at the stupidity of home fans shouting abuse at someone trying to take a corner for example?
But of course your point is nonsense and please don’t question my passion. Are you telling me I need to verbally abuse players from the safety of my seat to show passion. Wouldn’t cheering the team on cover that? Sure, I react to tackles and refereeing decisions, it’s human nature but are you telling me you don’t laugh at the stupidity of home fans shouting abuse at someone trying to take a corner for example?
Let the vile chants at Rooney continue - there are chants out there that do need to be stamped out and that’s not one of them.
I believe a minute’s silence is/was due to be observed at the semi final this Sunday but, let’s be honest, there will be individuals amongst both sets of fans that will see it as an opportunity to vent their feelings towards Liverpool.
I couldn’t care less what anybody chants about Rooney but, for God’s sake, I hope Evertonians don’t let themselves down on Sunday, should their powers that be decide to go ahead with a minute’s silence this weekend.
I dare say that Evertonians lost as many friends and relatives at Hillsborough as Liverpudlians did and we shouldn’t forget that.
I believe a minute’s silence is/was due to be observed at the semi final this Sunday but, let’s be honest, there will be individuals amongst both sets of fans that will see it as an opportunity to vent their feelings towards Liverpool.
I couldn’t care less what anybody chants about Rooney but, for God’s sake, I hope Evertonians don’t let themselves down on Sunday, should their powers that be decide to go ahead with a minute’s silence this weekend.
I dare say that Evertonians lost as many friends and relatives at Hillsborough as Liverpudlians did and we shouldn’t forget that.
What do we do when the Manure scum start singing anti-scouse songs & Rooney starts his badge-kissing lark?? I?m afraid football is football and, as a prevoius letter states, we?ve had enough taken out of it already.
If you believe that we should all of a sudden start being nice boys ? forget it and go back to cloud cuckoo land.
He?s just a fat little nobhead!!
I?m not one for singling out one individual player as I honestly think it is generally counter-productive. Rooney should have gotten the silent treatment at Goodison, that would have upset him far more than paying him undue attention.
For all those who feel the need to chant, you would be well advised to visit the Offical Everton Website headed Wembley Latest News. There you will see how easy it will be for some over zealous Steward/Policeman to eject you from the ground, or even fail to admit you into the stadium at all.
If you want to waste all your time and money going to London to get a ban from football, ?carry on chanting? ? after all you pays your money and you are entitled to do as you please.
"Souness, Souness
got a tache like Hitler
and he wears a dress"
... you had to be there Peter
got a tache like Hitler
and he wears a dress"
... you had to be there Peter
Yeh, OK, let’s see how close to the bone we can get, wind him up, see if we can get him sent off during the warm-up ...
It’s not going to happen. Darth Ferg will advise him on what to expect from the Everton support, will hope that Everton fans will gee him up ... Jesus, guys, I beseech you ... Ignore Him. Spook him by Ignoring Him. Remember what he’s expecting, and deprive him of it. He’s just a United player now.
Every time one of ours gets the ball, roar.
It’s not going to happen. Darth Ferg will advise him on what to expect from the Everton support, will hope that Everton fans will gee him up ... Jesus, guys, I beseech you ... Ignore Him. Spook him by Ignoring Him. Remember what he’s expecting, and deprive him of it. He’s just a United player now.
Every time one of ours gets the ball, roar.
If that balding fatso gets upset, he can get his dick sucked by Ronaldo and go shag his granny.
Shame on each and everyone of you who preach such wretched hatred. Steve is quite right, but methinks that he hasn?t gone far enough. I propose that we each take one of our Utd brothers by the hand on Sunday and skip lovingly towards the turnstiles with them. And when the times comes for us to depart into our own section of the ground, we can part company by blowing a gentle kiss at them before turning wistfully with one final gentle smile.
During the game, we will shout words of encouragement for both teams and politely applaud Mr Rooney should he take aim at our goal. And if he should score then we as true sportsmen and gentlemen should accept the reverse with all the good grace we can muster and take it squarely on the chin. "Play up boys, we can still win this one," you will hear me chant.
After the game we can meet up again, and it matters not if we win or lose. I will still love my Utd brother. Maybe I will exchange details with them so we can keep in touch with the odd letter or even an email in these advanced times. Remember boys, it?s only a game and it?s how we treat our fellow men that really matters.
Here here Shaun.
I?ve decided I?m not going to go to the game now in case comeone dares swear in my vicinity. I shall be so offended, it will ruin the whole match-going experience for me. I?m going to the rugger instead.
I?ve decided I?m not going to go to the game now in case comeone dares swear in my vicinity. I shall be so offended, it will ruin the whole match-going experience for me. I?m going to the rugger instead.
I suppose some of these people behave like that in front of their own kids... so why should they care about yours?
Football banter is superb... some of the other stuff is just unecessary.
Interesting (or should that be obligatory) that the phrase ?PC? popped its ugly head up... A phrase that I find is increasingly being used to justify ignorantly moronic behaviour.
Football banter is superb... some of the other stuff is just unecessary.
Interesting (or should that be obligatory) that the phrase ?PC? popped its ugly head up... A phrase that I find is increasingly being used to justify ignorantly moronic behaviour.
As someone pointed out earlier football is a game. I?ve been watching Everton for over 50 years and there never used to be the vile abuse which is now vented on the opposition and, sadly, even in some cases towards our own guys. What is it about some people? Lack of education, lack of awareness or just plain stupidity?
If I had young kids, I wouldn?t be too happy about them being in such a hate-filled atmosphere. Obscenities have no place at a football match anymore than racism. Good humour and a keen sense of wit is virtually inborn in Scousers; why not just rely on that?
Good post, Steve ? I happen to agree with you and I?ve supported Everton for over 40 years. I am also offended by the inference that I?m not passionate about EFC owing to the fact that I?d rather not spew out vile bile every time I support the team. For all that, what really makes me cringe is the thought that the likes of Shaun Sparkes thinks he?s really funny. Sad.
John, unlike many who frequent this website, I don?t happen to live in utopia village. I would love to live in a society where we respected our fellow man and we had no need for a police force and prisons. Sadly human nature being what it is means we all have our faults. We can?t shape society into a vision that fits our own standards and we have to learn to accept this and to try and live within some sort of semblance of law and order.
Shouting a few near the knuckle remarks during a passionate football game is something that has been going on for more years than you and I have been born. Does it make it right? Perhaps not, but whilst we still have some sort of freedom of speech in this country then you are going to have to learn to live with it.
Finally, you state that you are offended by vile chants and you also say that people (or was it just me) trying to be humorous make you cringe! Well I am sorry that I fall below your high standards and I really wasn?t trying to make anybody laugh. My intention was to bring to the reader?s attention the absurdity of trying to censor football fans from what used to be a working class game watched by working class men.
Cringe if you like, but if you object to the input of a little levity in what was becoming a rather sterile debate then I apologise for hurting your feelings
Boy, now that really is sad...
Shouting a few near the knuckle remarks during a passionate football game is something that has been going on for more years than you and I have been born. Does it make it right? Perhaps not, but whilst we still have some sort of freedom of speech in this country then you are going to have to learn to live with it.
Finally, you state that you are offended by vile chants and you also say that people (or was it just me) trying to be humorous make you cringe! Well I am sorry that I fall below your high standards and I really wasn?t trying to make anybody laugh. My intention was to bring to the reader?s attention the absurdity of trying to censor football fans from what used to be a working class game watched by working class men.
Cringe if you like, but if you object to the input of a little levity in what was becoming a rather sterile debate then I apologise for hurting your feelings
Boy, now that really is sad...
I love all the Mr Logics.
"If this happens, that happens"... "If you do this, you?re that".
Why do people who do something as totally fucking illogical as support a team who have NO chance of winning the league they play in, feel it?s ok to apply logic to one specific aspect of it? Talk about inconsistent!
To me, it?s like going to some S&M place to be whipped, but complaining that the person whipping you had ?an attitude?... (Or that it hurt!)
During my time supporting Everton, I have heard some ?vile? things bellowed. Some of it at individuals (our players, their players, refs etc) and some just in frustration, screamed into the ether at nobody in particular. I suppose I myself have been responsible on many occasions. (I tend to favour the general "FOR FUCK?S SAKE EVERTON!")
I?ll be honest, generally I?m fine with ?abuse?, even though I can honestly say that these days, apart from the very occasional ? "Oh you are one horrible twat X" - it?s not something I really do... er... these days.
However, our lives are governed by a zillion rules (now) and although the match is not rule-free, I like the idea of somewhere I can go where things can still get a bit... um... primal. It?s absolutely NOT logical but there it is.
I tend to agree with (humourist?) Stephen Fry when he says that swearing or ?foul language?, far from showing a ?lack of vocabulary, or a ?lack of imagination?, actually shows an abundance of both. In fact a much better indicator of a lack of imagination, is repeating parrot-fashion unsubstantiated bilge like ?swearing shows a lack of vocabulary?.
NB: I should add that I see the racial stuff as something TOTALLY different. Them I?d burn.
"If this happens, that happens"... "If you do this, you?re that".
Why do people who do something as totally fucking illogical as support a team who have NO chance of winning the league they play in, feel it?s ok to apply logic to one specific aspect of it? Talk about inconsistent!
To me, it?s like going to some S&M place to be whipped, but complaining that the person whipping you had ?an attitude?... (Or that it hurt!)
During my time supporting Everton, I have heard some ?vile? things bellowed. Some of it at individuals (our players, their players, refs etc) and some just in frustration, screamed into the ether at nobody in particular. I suppose I myself have been responsible on many occasions. (I tend to favour the general "FOR FUCK?S SAKE EVERTON!")
I?ll be honest, generally I?m fine with ?abuse?, even though I can honestly say that these days, apart from the very occasional ? "Oh you are one horrible twat X" - it?s not something I really do... er... these days.
However, our lives are governed by a zillion rules (now) and although the match is not rule-free, I like the idea of somewhere I can go where things can still get a bit... um... primal. It?s absolutely NOT logical but there it is.
I tend to agree with (humourist?) Stephen Fry when he says that swearing or ?foul language?, far from showing a ?lack of vocabulary, or a ?lack of imagination?, actually shows an abundance of both. In fact a much better indicator of a lack of imagination, is repeating parrot-fashion unsubstantiated bilge like ?swearing shows a lack of vocabulary?.
NB: I should add that I see the racial stuff as something TOTALLY different. Them I?d burn.
EJ, I'm with you on this one mate.
And as for Rooney, anyone remember when United played Arsenal the other year, the game when Rooney swore about 20 times.
Respect is a two-way thing.
And as for Rooney, anyone remember when United played Arsenal the other year, the game when Rooney swore about 20 times.
Respect is a two-way thing.
Good post, Steve, and quite right for me mate, I have no time for the stupidity of the small-minded vile chanters who disgrace our club (that should get some of you going I hope!). Decent people have more respect and dignity for themselves and others, but now anything goes in the name of liberty.
Someone quoted "a working class game, for working class people" ? so is that an excuse to make you act sub-class, mate? I?m working class and proud of it, but I wouldn't lower my standards by shouting abuse in public, let alone if someone heard. I?m better than that, and so are the majority of Everton fans that support Everton.
I watch the hate and the venom of some of the supporters at the touchline, some of whom are just kids, and they think it's great as they're being egged on by adults; cool?... pathetic!
So come Sunday, don't follow the mindless vile chanters, drown them out with EVERTON, EVERTON, EVERTON!, they're the true heart and soul of the club
COYB?s
Someone quoted "a working class game, for working class people" ? so is that an excuse to make you act sub-class, mate? I?m working class and proud of it, but I wouldn't lower my standards by shouting abuse in public, let alone if someone heard. I?m better than that, and so are the majority of Everton fans that support Everton.
I watch the hate and the venom of some of the supporters at the touchline, some of whom are just kids, and they think it's great as they're being egged on by adults; cool?... pathetic!
So come Sunday, don't follow the mindless vile chanters, drown them out with EVERTON, EVERTON, EVERTON!, they're the true heart and soul of the club
COYB?s
Disagree with you, Steve, I actually find the "Handball! Handball!" the most annoying, moronic fucking football chant I?ve ever heard! Leave it for dicks like the Citeeh and Villa fans.
And if Rooney can?t take being called a nobhead then maybe he shouldn?t act like one?
And if Rooney can?t take being called a nobhead then maybe he shouldn?t act like one?
Martin, how can you come on here and take the moral high ground yet in your reply you issue insults such as STUPID SMALL-MINDED vile chanters, indirectly accuse me of acting SUB CLASS , Call some of the adults PATHETIC, and finish with stating that we shouldn't follow the MINDLESS vile chanters? All of which can be viewed as unnecessary name-calling If we are following the creed that is being spouted here.
For the record, I can't recall ever shouting anything at a football match that even the most noble and sensitive amongst you would ever find remotely vile. However, I will defend the right of every fan to vent his frustrations in his own way, provided it doesn't incite others to commit acts of behaviour that fall outside the laws of the land. Dilute the passion and you destroy the game.
For the record, I can't recall ever shouting anything at a football match that even the most noble and sensitive amongst you would ever find remotely vile. However, I will defend the right of every fan to vent his frustrations in his own way, provided it doesn't incite others to commit acts of behaviour that fall outside the laws of the land. Dilute the passion and you destroy the game.
Shaun - I apologise for such a grumpy retort but I get a little riled these days when people try and make light of falling standards and sport tends to reflect society in general, as we know. I didn?t say I?m offended by vile chants (probably like you I do live in the real world I can assure you); what I said was that I?m offended that my passion is questioned if I don?t join in. As I say, apologies for what now looks like a priggish reply and let?s hope we get the right result on Sunday no matter how the chanting goes!
Fair play to you John, I would never dream of questioning another blues passion. We all have the same goal on Sunday and that is to see us beat Man Utd and reach the FA cup final.
Come on you blues.
Come on you blues.
I?m all for respectful chants etc and would like to think I have a decent set of morals. I also agree with Steve that vile chants are unacceptable, especially for so-called grown men.
But is calling someone "a fat little knobhead" really vile? To my knowledge, he does look a bit fat and he does seem to act like a bit of a knob. It?s hardly in the same league as racist chanting or some of the crap the Gerrard has to take about his kid.
To be honest, if 40,000 people were calling me a fat little knobhead, I?d probably find it quite amusing. Unless I was really sensitive about my weight, then I might start crying and run into the dressing room and binge on chocolate ice cream.
But is calling someone "a fat little knobhead" really vile? To my knowledge, he does look a bit fat and he does seem to act like a bit of a knob. It?s hardly in the same league as racist chanting or some of the crap the Gerrard has to take about his kid.
To be honest, if 40,000 people were calling me a fat little knobhead, I?d probably find it quite amusing. Unless I was really sensitive about my weight, then I might start crying and run into the dressing room and binge on chocolate ice cream.
In response to a comment ? Morale high ground? Just posting what I feel is normal behaviour, that's all. Nothing high ground about it, that's because the low ground is now acceptable.
As for the adjectives I used, seen as insults (aren?t vile chants mindless, stupid, small-minded, sub-class statements?) somethings have to be described, but they sound different from a vile chant don't you think? If you cant see the differences, then in the words of Robert Mitchum, "Baby, I don't care!"
Remember folks
EVERTON, EVERTON, EVERTON, BLUES TWO! MANCS NONE!
Sounds better doesn't it?
Let's hope for a great one on Sunday, good will to all you Blues.
As for the adjectives I used, seen as insults (aren?t vile chants mindless, stupid, small-minded, sub-class statements?) somethings have to be described, but they sound different from a vile chant don't you think? If you cant see the differences, then in the words of Robert Mitchum, "Baby, I don't care!"
Remember folks
EVERTON, EVERTON, EVERTON, BLUES TWO! MANCS NONE!
Sounds better doesn't it?
Let's hope for a great one on Sunday, good will to all you Blues.
This thread has got a fair few lads riled. I, through my job, have been to a lot of league and cup games throughout various countries around Europe. The one thing I love about this is that it gives me an insight into the cultures of the footballing supporters in each place I visit.
Now I?m not naive enough to say that it's much rosier overseas because we all know about the Ultras etc in Spain, Italy, Greece etc. That aside, I have noticed a major difference in the attitude of fans during a game overseas compared to our own league here.
The hate and vitriol which is taken for granted in all parts of our stadia ? be it from kids, mums, granddads, young lads etc ? is not as prevalent in any other country I?ve visited.
It is sometimes refreshing to go to a game and just enjoy the spectacle surrounded by normal people behaving in a respectful manner; the fact that we in England take our terrace nasties for granted does not make it right, it simply shows that once again we trail our European counterparts in basic decency.
Now I?m not naive enough to say that it's much rosier overseas because we all know about the Ultras etc in Spain, Italy, Greece etc. That aside, I have noticed a major difference in the attitude of fans during a game overseas compared to our own league here.
The hate and vitriol which is taken for granted in all parts of our stadia ? be it from kids, mums, granddads, young lads etc ? is not as prevalent in any other country I?ve visited.
It is sometimes refreshing to go to a game and just enjoy the spectacle surrounded by normal people behaving in a respectful manner; the fact that we in England take our terrace nasties for granted does not make it right, it simply shows that once again we trail our European counterparts in basic decency.
I feel very strongly about this subject, and after the last Goodison Derby I put a comment on here slamming some morons about the vitriol abuse aimed at Steven Gerrard. How is spouting garbage like that supporting Everton? OK, the first time we hear these songs they?re relatively amusing for about 10 seconds.
Steve Callaghan's 100% right, worry about our team not the opposition. I?m taking my two grandsons aged 8 & 12 along with my niece aged 14, and if I hear anyone by us going over the top, believe you me they?ll be well and truly told. I?m not a prude I just think there?s an acceptable level which should not be crossed.
The best motto in sport "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum" Includes us the supporters.
You could try messing with his head and we could chant "There's only one Wayne Rooney!" at him. He would be so baffled his game would go to pieces.
Seriously, the days of only funny, non-abusive chants are over. We have our share of knobheads like every other team.
Seriously, the days of only funny, non-abusive chants are over. We have our share of knobheads like every other team.
I think there has to be some balance in the chanting. While the nature of the anti-Rooney chants is clearly going to be bordering on anti-social levels, it is these days more the norm.
I have no great problem with people chanting things like the Gerrard stuff, as while yes it is very hurtful, and no I wouldn?t want it sung about my family, it is part of the way society has gone. Singing things like Souness wears a dress isn?t going to shock or provoke anyone. And let?s face it, these songs are there to provoke reactions.
My problem is that after a while they really are boring, and it does make us look like bad, small-time degenerates who have nothing else to sing about as our team has no success.
If Rooney does something like a bad tackle or mouths off at the ref, then fine give him some abuse. But we all know that for some fixtures the ratio of Rooney songs to all other songs is about 2:1. That is simply ridiculous. We are there to support Everton, not to wind him up.
I know that if he plays badly it gives us an advantage over him playing well but proving that the crowd have got to him is almost impossible. In the Goodison game this season, it wasn?t the chanting that pushed him over the edge, it was the fact that we had wrestled control of the game away from them and he could see it slipping away. That is the best way of winding him up. After all, he loses it far more often against other sides than he does against us.
When does this happen? When the opposition is stopping him playing well. Not because their fans have constantly baited him throughout the game.
I have no great problem with people chanting things like the Gerrard stuff, as while yes it is very hurtful, and no I wouldn?t want it sung about my family, it is part of the way society has gone. Singing things like Souness wears a dress isn?t going to shock or provoke anyone. And let?s face it, these songs are there to provoke reactions.
My problem is that after a while they really are boring, and it does make us look like bad, small-time degenerates who have nothing else to sing about as our team has no success.
If Rooney does something like a bad tackle or mouths off at the ref, then fine give him some abuse. But we all know that for some fixtures the ratio of Rooney songs to all other songs is about 2:1. That is simply ridiculous. We are there to support Everton, not to wind him up.
I know that if he plays badly it gives us an advantage over him playing well but proving that the crowd have got to him is almost impossible. In the Goodison game this season, it wasn?t the chanting that pushed him over the edge, it was the fact that we had wrestled control of the game away from them and he could see it slipping away. That is the best way of winding him up. After all, he loses it far more often against other sides than he does against us.
When does this happen? When the opposition is stopping him playing well. Not because their fans have constantly baited him throughout the game.
"While the nature of the anti-Rooney chants is clearly going to be bordering on anti-social levels, it is these days more the norm. I have no great problem with people chanting things like the Gerrard stuff, as while yes it is very hurtful, and no I wouldn?t want it sung about my family, it is part of the way society has gone."
So basically, because there are more and more idiots who make this kind of behaviour "the norm", then it?s ok? Jesus wept!
So basically, because there are more and more idiots who make this kind of behaviour "the norm", then it?s ok? Jesus wept!
Chris Lawlor, you?ve obviously not been to a Red Star Belgrade match, any in Turkey or a Milan Derby or a Roma or Lazio match just to name a few. Then again, have you ever seen a pig?s head thrown on the pitch (a la Spain) or a moped on fire thrown from a stand (a la Italy)?
Gav,
Did you choose not to read the entire paragraph where I said...
Now I?m not naive enough to say that it’s much rosier overseas because we all know about the Ultras etc in Spain, Italy, Greece etc. That aside, I have noticed a major difference in the attitude of fans during a game overseas compared to our own league here.
eh?
Did you choose not to read the entire paragraph where I said...
Now I?m not naive enough to say that it’s much rosier overseas because we all know about the Ultras etc in Spain, Italy, Greece etc. That aside, I have noticed a major difference in the attitude of fans during a game overseas compared to our own league here.
eh?
An argument over the internet is like the special olympics .....
The way I see it is bullocks to you all who say we should be soft on him. Why exactly? The way he shit on us the year he left and then with his returns to Goodison.
On the day we paid tribute to Alan Ball he is jumping up and down kissing the badge in front of our fans. That is unforgiveable. He is a petulant horrible piece of shit and deserves every bit of abuse he gets from our fans and more.
People like you should be ashamed for telling others to leave him alone. And I am sure it will hurt when he picks up his £100k each week.
COYB Lets smash United and that Judas Cunt too.
Shout whatever you want, just leave their wives, kids etc out of it...
If that?s the Matty Berry I used to go the match with in the late 1970s and early 80s I?ve one thing to say...
I?ve got a long memory mate... you could out-vile the best of us!
I?ve got a long memory mate... you could out-vile the best of us!
Ok - to round this off then... my point was not just about the Rooney vile chants but any that have crept into our terraces in the recent past that go a little too deep and serve no purpose.
Yes, I can never stop this ? freedom of speech and all that ? but when I now take my four-year-old son to a game and he asks me why our ?fans? are singing about Steven Gerrard?s baby not being his then I am at a loss of how to explain this and what this has got to do with football. Similarly, vile chanting at Joleon Lescott is hurtful and uncalled for, as is singing about murderers and dead folks on a runway.
Yep, we will never stop this vile chanting but I think this is a sad reflection of today?s society when the bounds of ?acceptable? chanting are stretched to the point to allow personal, hurtful abuse to become to norm.
Would these chants be acceptable in another public place? On a one to one maybe? In the workplace maybe? I am sure the perpetrators would not be so brave as to offer obscene messages on a one to one ? in the real world, it is likely to lead to public disorder or worse. Personally, I do not want to be associated with this; those that do, that?s their call entirely.
Yes, I can never stop this ? freedom of speech and all that ? but when I now take my four-year-old son to a game and he asks me why our ?fans? are singing about Steven Gerrard?s baby not being his then I am at a loss of how to explain this and what this has got to do with football. Similarly, vile chanting at Joleon Lescott is hurtful and uncalled for, as is singing about murderers and dead folks on a runway.
Yep, we will never stop this vile chanting but I think this is a sad reflection of today?s society when the bounds of ?acceptable? chanting are stretched to the point to allow personal, hurtful abuse to become to norm.
Would these chants be acceptable in another public place? On a one to one maybe? In the workplace maybe? I am sure the perpetrators would not be so brave as to offer obscene messages on a one to one ? in the real world, it is likely to lead to public disorder or worse. Personally, I do not want to be associated with this; those that do, that?s their call entirely.
Shrek is shooting his mouth off again with the obvious ploy of quelling Everton fans dislike of him. I say give him stick as much as possible (not vile about his wife sort please) as it has certainly proved to upset him in the past...
If, as he has insinuated he was forced to leave for particular reasons not of his choice & not generally known, that does not excuse his subsequent ungracious attitude to Everton for his formative years and introduction to the Premiership. Nor his many actions & comments about the manager, the club & fans he is now trying to say he still has feelings for... Sorry, Judas!! but the only knowledge we have as supporters is that you went for MONEY. Having watched Everton for 63 years I have never had such utter & total contempt for any player past or present who was at our club... He deserves all he gets from Evertonians.. I would love to see a huge banner!! ONCE A BLUE ? ALWAYS A BLUE!!
JUDAS HIPOCRITE Rooney ? Don't get yourselves or the club in trouble because of shouts & comments to / about him ... He is just a little fat simple man (boy). HE JUST AIN'T WORTH IT!
Chris I metioned it as you make out overseas fans are whiter than white ? how does a supposed non-attitude exist when you get pictures of Luis Figo burnt in the stands when he signed in Spain for his fans' rivals, distress flares being fired in stadiums, mopeds thrown from stands on fire ? just how the hell would you ever get a moped into a British stadium, never mind set it alight and launch it from an upper tier?
Your point was making out overseas fans have a different temperament and mine being that yes they do, many barbaric ones hmmmm chants or maiming and severe injury which would be worse..... eh?
© ToffeeWeb
-sm.jpg)
-sm.jpg)
-sm.jpg)
1 Posted 15/04/2009 at 14:17:02
Report abuse
Best chant EVER: Scottish goalie Andy Goram returning to football after suffering from a dual personality disorder ... "TWO ANDY GORAMS, THERE?S ONLY TWO ANDY GORAMS"
Loved it. As for Rooney: great player and his transfer money allowed us to build the team we now have, so I?m not bitter, although as a person he aint my cup of tea.