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Tale of two penalties
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If Gerrard or Young had been 'handed off' in the way Pienaar was in the first half it would have been talked about as a 'stone-walled' pen. As it was, we didn't even get a look at it again at half-time. Instantly pronounced as a good piece of defending. Dismissed.
I wonder, were there any other incidents to note regarding tackles in the box?
A tale of two penalties. The two saved by Howard!
Tony Horne, Posted 19/04/2009 at 16:38:05
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MIchael Kenrick
I think there was one they could have moaned about too, so that probably evens things up. In the end, the only thing that mattered was the penalty shoot-out, and incredibly it went our way!!!
I looked carefully at the Jagielka-Welbeck "penalty" and there was upper-body contact, but Jag?s foot didn?t touch Welbeck?s. I personally feel that there?s far too much pulling, pushing and shoving ? players should keep their hands and arms to themselves ? but if that was a penalty, as Tony says, so was Pienaar?s.
But that?s all spilt milk. We?ve finally won a penalty shoot-out, I?ve finally seen Tim Howard save a penalty (two!!) and we?re going to Wembley to win the cup, having knocked out four of the top five in the process. Toffees forever! And to all of you who were there (I?m in South Africa!) the support was outstanding!
Fair point. The very red commentators made it out as brilliant but I thought it was a pen.
However who cares??? We’re in the final.
Woop woop
However who cares??? We’re in the final.
Woop woop
The Pienaar incident wasn?t worthy of half-time discussion as it was not a pen; an inoffensive, but very effective shoulder barge. Equally, the Jagielka incident looked messy, but would have been a soft one, had it been awarded. (In my, by now fairly drunken, but nonetheless humble opinion!!)
EFC are quite similar to the England national team, in terms of their shockingly predictable failure at penalty shoot-out competitions, so what a wonderful surprise, sprinkled with a life-affirming dose of pride, that we actually won one for once!!!
Absolutely on cloud nine.....
EFC are quite similar to the England national team, in terms of their shockingly predictable failure at penalty shoot-out competitions, so what a wonderful surprise, sprinkled with a life-affirming dose of pride, that we actually won one for once!!!
Absolutely on cloud nine.....
The Pienaar incident in my view was a penalty ? he was shoved off the ball with an upraised arm, never part of a shoulder barge ? but either way it was an incident which was not discussed, whereas I feel it would have been were it for any other team.
The Jags incident - if you view the replay from behind he clearly plays the ball before contact.
Still - they won! Get in!
The Jags incident - if you view the replay from behind he clearly plays the ball before contact.
Still - they won! Get in!
Talking of media spin - don?t let anyone tell you that we beat a team of kids out there today. The MU OS claims that they had "four teenagers and seven players of 25 or under" in their starting line-up.
They must have forgotten that Ferdinand, Vidic, Park and Foster, according to the information they provide, go way beyond this parameter. Tevez gets in at 25, although he seems a little older as does, come to think of it, Macheda for his 17 years. The Da Silva twins must be 17 I suppose, but it doesn?t stop one of them rugby-tackling just outside the area.
Kids, eh?
They must have forgotten that Ferdinand, Vidic, Park and Foster, according to the information they provide, go way beyond this parameter. Tevez gets in at 25, although he seems a little older as does, come to think of it, Macheda for his 17 years. The Da Silva twins must be 17 I suppose, but it doesn?t stop one of them rugby-tackling just outside the area.
Kids, eh?
Would the Jags incident been shown so many times if Ferdinand had done that to Saha? I have never seen so many replays in my life. I may be biased it was never a penalty, I thought he took the ball and there was not much contact with the player. Pienaar was pushed in mid-air whilst contesting the ball, but again I'm not sure if it was a peanlty?
Come on Everton, Wembley here we come... Again!!
Come on Everton, Wembley here we come... Again!!
The strength of Man Utd is Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra, and they all played.
Has the media mentioned that Arteta and Yakubu were missing and Jo was cup tied?... Just wondering.
Has the media mentioned that Arteta and Yakubu were missing and Jo was cup tied?... Just wondering.
I?m just glad we won to shut the annoying little shite Macari up!!
He couldn?t see past the red spot on the end of his boozer's nose!!!
He couldn?t see past the red spot on the end of his boozer's nose!!!
To be fair, the Jagielka-Welbeck challenge could have been given as easily as it was waved away. It was an incredibly sloppy piece of defending to be in that position and Jags got away with it. I think, after watching endless replays, that it probably was a penalty, but luckily the ref was in a position where it could well have looked like Welbeck feigned contact.
On the flip side, Cahill did Vidic all ends up when he turned him and that should never have been a foul.
I think the ref was pretty poor in patches today, but evened it out over the 120.....
On the flip side, Cahill did Vidic all ends up when he turned him and that should never have been a foul.
I think the ref was pretty poor in patches today, but evened it out over the 120.....
Wasn't James Vaughan's penalty bloody great! Ha!! Bloody great!!
On nights like tonight, I love that media crap cos that's what it is, and we won... oh yes, we won! Oh blue heaven, it's worth it for this feeling... it's all worth it.
Apparently according to Jim Belgin on ITV it was shoulder to shoulder ? bollocks! It was arm and push right across the chest and foul! Penalty. Ten times out of ten.
Richard Parker, sloppy defending in the first place, yes. After watching ?endless replays? yes, it wasn?t a pen! Especially the last angle from ITV cameras.
This from the BBC report of the match:
"Riley refused what appeared to be a clear-cut penalty when defender Phil Jagielka brought down Danny Welbeck"
and again
"United were then denied what looked the clearest of penalties when a breakdown in communications between Howard and Jagielka forced the defender to haul down Welbeck. "
It might have been given as a penalty; it might not - it could have gone either way. It was not "the clearest of penalties" and The Jags did not "haul down" Mr Welbeck.
Why can’t the media just get off their Rich 4 High Horse for once; a marginal decision went against Man Utd for the first time this season - so for once give us credit where it is due. Some chance!
"Riley refused what appeared to be a clear-cut penalty when defender Phil Jagielka brought down Danny Welbeck"
and again
"United were then denied what looked the clearest of penalties when a breakdown in communications between Howard and Jagielka forced the defender to haul down Welbeck. "
It might have been given as a penalty; it might not - it could have gone either way. It was not "the clearest of penalties" and The Jags did not "haul down" Mr Welbeck.
Why can’t the media just get off their Rich 4 High Horse for once; a marginal decision went against Man Utd for the first time this season - so for once give us credit where it is due. Some chance!
Chris, it was probably written by someone who didn’t even go the match, who gives a crap anyway, we won!!
If you look closely, Jag?s makes body contact with Welbeck but the reason why he goes to ground is because he trips himself over. It was indecisive defending at best and very unlike Jagielka this season.
I thought Riley had a good game actually and in my opinion, it would of been easier for him to award that penalty but he held his nerve. Kudos to him, and well done to the boys as there is no doubting that they deserve to be in the final.
Today was a triumph on so many levels and the shite the media spout makes it that bit sweeter, I feel.
Fat stupid bloke on Setanta (no clue who he is) referred to Moyes's comments about the appointment of Mike Riley as the referee as "Grimey", suggesting this could have contributed to what he felt was a definate penalty not being given.
The fact is though, that Moyes?s comments may just have been a stroke of pure genius. I think he may have out-mindgamed Mr "Mind Games" Ferguson. If this did influence the 'no penalty' decision then I bloody love it! Makes Moyes rule even more in my book.
Every other bugger is at it (Allardyce re Cahill / BBC re Felliani) so why shouldn?t we?
I make that Moyes 1, BBC / FA / Mike Riley / Setanta knobhead / SAF 0
Fat stupid bloke on Setanta (no clue who he is) referred to Moyes's comments about the appointment of Mike Riley as the referee as "Grimey", suggesting this could have contributed to what he felt was a definate penalty not being given.
The fact is though, that Moyes?s comments may just have been a stroke of pure genius. I think he may have out-mindgamed Mr "Mind Games" Ferguson. If this did influence the 'no penalty' decision then I bloody love it! Makes Moyes rule even more in my book.
Every other bugger is at it (Allardyce re Cahill / BBC re Felliani) so why shouldn?t we?
I make that Moyes 1, BBC / FA / Mike Riley / Setanta knobhead / SAF 0
Spot on Jimmy, spot on mate!! Sir Alex uses mind games in the press and they praise him. Outfoxed by Moysey this week.....
The PIenaar shout was just another example of referee’s inconsistancy... it probably would have been a bit of a soft penalty (no more so then Wellbeck’s), but we were given a free kick when Foster pushed Baines whilst attempting to let the ball run out of play. The only difference being that one was inside the box, and one outside.
The Wellbeck incident was marginal too, but maybe if he hadn’t have looked so keen to throw his arms back and hit the deck he might have got something.
Still, it’s all conjecture - We’re in the Final!
The Wellbeck incident was marginal too, but maybe if he hadn’t have looked so keen to throw his arms back and hit the deck he might have got something.
Still, it’s all conjecture - We’re in the Final!
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