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Anyone know how many season-ticket holders we have?
We've been (quite rightly) slagging the 'football family' and their 40,000 allocation but I'm curious about where ALL our allocation is going.
My guess (before the allocation announcement) would have been that we had between 21,000 and 23,000 season-ticket holders (nb: based on..well, nothing much really).
If that WAS the case, all season ticket holders would have been able to get a final ticket (as I say - I could be wrong!)
However the cup games criteria (and how many are blues eligible etc) means things re STH's are a little...um..blurred.
And (hypothetically), if things WERE blurred or a little misty, it would give an unscrupulous club the chance to cream off say...er..2000 tickets for themselves, without their supporters ever knowing.
Then all that (hypothetical) club would have to do then is point the finger at the FA and their grasping football family and (hypothetical) Bob would be your uncle.
By the way, this is NOT a 'I didn't get one' whine - I'm sorted.
Genuinely Just curious (and ok - by nature, suspicious).
EJ Ruane, Posted 28/04/2009 at 13:25:30
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I have been asking around many people but the general number is around 22,500. There is no way the 25,109 will make it to the fans more like 20,000.
All the sponsors and players/staff families will be looked after.
EFC already know how many STH with 3+ games there are and that is why it seems that they are almost confirming that they will get a ticket if they want one. I would be suprised if it is over 18,000
All the sponsors and players/staff families will be looked after.
EFC already know how many STH with 3+ games there are and that is why it seems that they are almost confirming that they will get a ticket if they want one. I would be suprised if it is over 18,000
Not sure how many season tickets there are. but i doubt all tickets will go to fans. i guess that some employees of EFC will get some. There were plenty at the semis. Plus some of the lovies Kenright might knock around with.
Anyway, good luck everyone in getting there ticket for the final.
Anyway, good luck everyone in getting there ticket for the final.
Well I thought we had around 26000 but don’t forget, hospitality, box and shareholders (although we have few of each) come first. I think the season tickets + 3 is the definitive cut off point.
Think you’re probably spot-on Tony.
And I’m certainly not claiming any amazing revelation.
Just tying to point out there’s a VERY good chance Everton FC have done exactly the same as the FA.
(ie: Elbowed real supporters in favour of horrible. greasy, grasping, family-of-football, fake-tanned, local businessmen "who got where I did through sheer hard slog" turds)
Which (to me) is to be expected, but a bit bleedin’ rich Elstone ranting at the FA.
(Of course if we DO have more than 25,109 STH’s, then it is me who should shut the flip up)
And I’m certainly not claiming any amazing revelation.
Just tying to point out there’s a VERY good chance Everton FC have done exactly the same as the FA.
(ie: Elbowed real supporters in favour of horrible. greasy, grasping, family-of-football, fake-tanned, local businessmen "who got where I did through sheer hard slog" turds)
Which (to me) is to be expected, but a bit bleedin’ rich Elstone ranting at the FA.
(Of course if we DO have more than 25,109 STH’s, then it is me who should shut the flip up)
There is no doubt that the Club will have its nose in the trough just as the FA and allocate a percentage of the allocation to its corporate sponsors, staff and former player’s. As a season ticket holder for the past 10 years with +2 extra’s I will be subject to the ballot process. A recent article in the Liverpool Echo regarding John Walk from Liverpool stated that he profitted to the tune of 15k for tickets to the 1986 FA Cup Final. The same processes will be occuring throughout the football family at the expense of genuine fans. Without throwing my rattle out of the pram I will exercise my right to terminate my season ticket with Everton next season at £600 in the process. At the end of the day I might aswell walk up to the ticket office and a week to week basis as loyalty these days counts for absolutely nothing.
Th FA have taken 40000 and the possible 90000. If Everton take more than 11000 of their 25000 then you can compare them.
Philllip - I am a great believer in the old (Swift? Shaw?) line about patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel.
The lesser known (in fact just-this-minute invented) expression - "fart-arsing about with percentages is the penultimate refuge of a scoundrel" isn’t anywhere near as memorable or quotable, but it is apposite
(and I’m claiming it as original!)
The lesser known (in fact just-this-minute invented) expression - "fart-arsing about with percentages is the penultimate refuge of a scoundrel" isn’t anywhere near as memorable or quotable, but it is apposite
(and I’m claiming it as original!)
Can I just Mention, Forexample Man Utd have say 40,000 Season ticket holders.....(although a lot not proper fans) but besides the point If wembley was 180,000 capacity we would have no problem, if Goodison was half the Capacity we would have no problem. You have to remember fans from all Big clubs miss out, not just Everton, Its ridiculous but its Supply and Demand at the end of the day and on these occasions demand obviously outweighs suply
According to the evidence, submitted by Everton, to the recent Government inquiry, Everton has a "season ticket base" of 25,000 [Elstone evidence 8.4.4]
One would assume that would include the 1200 or so lounge memberships. Obviously Everton know how many they need for staff, sponsors and others and they also know the number of season ticket holders who have attended additional cup games, they just match the two up to set the bar; highly unlikely they’ll release the numbers [probably around what a pevious poster has estimated 18-20,000] as it will only breed contempt amongst those season ticket holders who’ll lose out.
Let’s be honest the club are in an impossible position; they’d probably needed 35,000 just to satisfy all season ticket ,staff, sponsor and others demand even before they could address the needs of the non-season ticket holding matchgoing Evertonian, many of whom attend all the home games and, through membership of supporters clubs such as Croxteth Blues, who take 52 tickets for every away game, have never missed an away game for seasons.
We all know that they?ll be a lot more than 25,000 Evertonians at Wembley, the sad thing is quite a few, if not all, of those additional fans will have been fleeced by touts aided and abetted by the FA who pay lip service to the same problem every year.
One would assume that would include the 1200 or so lounge memberships. Obviously Everton know how many they need for staff, sponsors and others and they also know the number of season ticket holders who have attended additional cup games, they just match the two up to set the bar; highly unlikely they’ll release the numbers [probably around what a pevious poster has estimated 18-20,000] as it will only breed contempt amongst those season ticket holders who’ll lose out.
Let’s be honest the club are in an impossible position; they’d probably needed 35,000 just to satisfy all season ticket ,staff, sponsor and others demand even before they could address the needs of the non-season ticket holding matchgoing Evertonian, many of whom attend all the home games and, through membership of supporters clubs such as Croxteth Blues, who take 52 tickets for every away game, have never missed an away game for seasons.
We all know that they?ll be a lot more than 25,000 Evertonians at Wembley, the sad thing is quite a few, if not all, of those additional fans will have been fleeced by touts aided and abetted by the FA who pay lip service to the same problem every year.
Colin, as I said, if we have 25,000 or more season-ticket holders, of course it’s tricky
Although If this IS the case, every season-ticket holder (like for the semi) COULD (in theory) have had one.
However as this is not the case, the figure I’m curious about (ie: concerned about) is how many of the 25,109 tickets WILL be given to supporters.
The blurry situation created by the "If any season-ticket holder with one credit and two legs who was born on a Tuesday..." etc, is a perfect environment for PROVEN shifty fuuckers (like...erm..just off the top of my head...the major shareholders of Everton FC) to do as they please.
Also the word ’base’ as in - "a season-ticket base of over 25,000" - sets off alarm-bells with me as it’s different from ’we have 25,000 season ticket holders’.
As I said - I’m suspicious by nature.
Although If this IS the case, every season-ticket holder (like for the semi) COULD (in theory) have had one.
However as this is not the case, the figure I’m curious about (ie: concerned about) is how many of the 25,109 tickets WILL be given to supporters.
The blurry situation created by the "If any season-ticket holder with one credit and two legs who was born on a Tuesday..." etc, is a perfect environment for PROVEN shifty fuuckers (like...erm..just off the top of my head...the major shareholders of Everton FC) to do as they please.
Also the word ’base’ as in - "a season-ticket base of over 25,000" - sets off alarm-bells with me as it’s different from ’we have 25,000 season ticket holders’.
As I said - I’m suspicious by nature.
I am going to sit down with my own ’football family’ and watch the match on the telly with a few beers dreaming of the day that I can get a ticket.....
I do find some of the comments on here a bit too much to take sometimes. I mean, why shouldn’t the players (who after all are the reason we are there at all!) have tickets for their families to share their big day etc. And if some representatives of businesses who put a lot of money into Everton get a few tickets as well, then so be it. I am reasonably happy that any of the tickets which Everton get will go to people who justify them, be them Goodison staff, or sponsors etc, there are plenty of people who Everton Football Club couldn’t manage without.
However, I would also be willing to bet that this will be a relatively small proportion of tickets (maybe a few hundred or so), which given about 60000 people want 25,000 tickets isn’t going to make much of a difference is it!
However, I would also be willing to bet that this will be a relatively small proportion of tickets (maybe a few hundred or so), which given about 60000 people want 25,000 tickets isn’t going to make much of a difference is it!
I think its a bit snide that people with half season tickets have the same if not more of a chance than me(and others like me due to not being able to afford to go to the extra cup games) to get a ticket another wonderful example of my beloved club telling me/us to get fucked! I will still be there and i have a plan to get into that stadium so fuck you FA and fuck you clowns that ’run’ EFC
I had reason to mention this on another thread last week and this, for what it’s worth, is what I was told about the numbers of Season Ticket Holders.
My window cleaner (carry on reading this is not a joke!) is a matchday steward. He usually comes in for a cuppa after he’s done our windows and we chat about the Blues and any rumours he’s heard. Once we were in the semi I dragged him in and knowing what was coming I asked him how many season ticket holders we had. He told me categorically that there were 22,500 or so and that they are well briefed on this because there is a view that if there are going to be any kick offs anywhere in the ground it is felt to be unlikely in the blocks of season seats (which tend not to be the restricted views, the back of the stands and a lot of the top balcony) or so he said. What he wasn’t sure of was whether the lounge members were included in that number.
Now, obviously, the lad’s main job is a window cleaner and he may be totally wrong.
However, my mate and I went to Goodison on the Thursday before the semi to renew our season tickets. We went in person because we wanted to move from the Park End to Upper Bullens Rd. One of the full-time stewards took us around the stand to try the available seats and while in the middle of this procedure I took the opportunity to ask him the same question. His reply was exactly the same....about 22,500. Unfortunately I forgot to ask him about the lounge members!
Accordingly I am very confident that we have somewhere in the region of 22,500 STH’s. What I don’t know is whether or not the lounge members are included in that figure.
If they are (as I understand from another post above there are 1200 lounge members) the maximum number of season ticket holders is something like 24,700. If they are not it is 22,500.
My window cleaner (carry on reading this is not a joke!) is a matchday steward. He usually comes in for a cuppa after he’s done our windows and we chat about the Blues and any rumours he’s heard. Once we were in the semi I dragged him in and knowing what was coming I asked him how many season ticket holders we had. He told me categorically that there were 22,500 or so and that they are well briefed on this because there is a view that if there are going to be any kick offs anywhere in the ground it is felt to be unlikely in the blocks of season seats (which tend not to be the restricted views, the back of the stands and a lot of the top balcony) or so he said. What he wasn’t sure of was whether the lounge members were included in that number.
Now, obviously, the lad’s main job is a window cleaner and he may be totally wrong.
However, my mate and I went to Goodison on the Thursday before the semi to renew our season tickets. We went in person because we wanted to move from the Park End to Upper Bullens Rd. One of the full-time stewards took us around the stand to try the available seats and while in the middle of this procedure I took the opportunity to ask him the same question. His reply was exactly the same....about 22,500. Unfortunately I forgot to ask him about the lounge members!
Accordingly I am very confident that we have somewhere in the region of 22,500 STH’s. What I don’t know is whether or not the lounge members are included in that figure.
If they are (as I understand from another post above there are 1200 lounge members) the maximum number of season ticket holders is something like 24,700. If they are not it is 22,500.
Sorry folks my arithmetic is crap! The higher figure should be 23,700!
I contacted the club yesterday and asked how many season ticket holders we have. The reply was 24500. Whilst this is possible I find it very unlikely that it just happens to fall on this round number.
It would be nice of the club to come out and say how m any season ticket holders there are, and how many of the allocated tickets will actually go to season ticket holders. I can’t understand what the big secret is.
I was at a recent meet the fans evening given by amongst others Robert Elstone, Phil Jagielka, Graeme Sharpe, a Marketing Manager and the Ticket Office Manager, (names forgotten). We were advised that there are 22500 Season Ticket holders(STHs).
The question over where the remaining 2609 tickets should be shared leaves the following areas to be catered for : Lounge Members, Shareholders (but only if not STH), Employees, Sponsors, Suppliers, Players families, and some Ex- players(?).
The numbers do not add up, so the Club has to prioritise and the STH’s get the remainder after the above named, and probably some others I forgot.
The other problem is how to cater for the numbers who are not STHs but go to matches on a game by game situation because of their circumstances, but may have attended more than many STHs. The Club have washed their hands of these committed supporters saying "We have many options to purchase STH’s available" but that does not make it right.
The situation will never change because only the FA can change it and the people who "benefit" from regular Cup Final tickets won’t vote to stop their "perk".
It’s like asking turkeys to vote for Xmas....
IT WON’T HAPPEN....
IT SHOULD BUT I’M AFRAID IT WON’T
The question over where the remaining 2609 tickets should be shared leaves the following areas to be catered for : Lounge Members, Shareholders (but only if not STH), Employees, Sponsors, Suppliers, Players families, and some Ex- players(?).
The numbers do not add up, so the Club has to prioritise and the STH’s get the remainder after the above named, and probably some others I forgot.
The other problem is how to cater for the numbers who are not STHs but go to matches on a game by game situation because of their circumstances, but may have attended more than many STHs. The Club have washed their hands of these committed supporters saying "We have many options to purchase STH’s available" but that does not make it right.
The situation will never change because only the FA can change it and the people who "benefit" from regular Cup Final tickets won’t vote to stop their "perk".
It’s like asking turkeys to vote for Xmas....
IT WON’T HAPPEN....
IT SHOULD BUT I’M AFRAID IT WON’T
To an extent I think it’s splitting hairs. Of course the club are going to take some of the tickets and dish them out to players, staff, shareholders etc, but how many will that really be? Surely you’re talking hundreds not thousands at the worst. So I don’t really think it’s a defense of the FA to say that Everton FC are doing the same to there fans. I think Phillip McAvoy makes a fair point. Unless EFC give 45% of their allocation to corporate users, staff, players etc, then you cannot compare the two.
I think the club should give a full breakdown on how the tickets are to be split.. I don’t think they will because there would be problems once its revealed how many tickets the club keeps back from its allocation. Its more than a couple of hunded..
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