David Moyes took the (for him!) bold move of 'resting' both Osman and Hibbert ? and Everton reaped the benefit with a much more professional looking display, even if Baines chose this game to do his own Hibbert impression with dreadful crosses.
But the difference was more down the middle, than on the right-hand side, where Gosling was frankly disappointing... but least he did not hog possession with no result, the area where Osman mainly frustrates. It was a very nice move through Osman-land that saw Jô feeding Pienaar nicely for a well-taken first goal, before Peanuts became the provider for an inch-perfect slot-in by the Big Fella to seal a very competent win against a feisty and fractious Sunderland.
It was a very bold decision for Moyes to bench his favourites and give Gosling some much-needed full-match practice. But it was such a pleasure not spending half the match screaming at Osman. Perhaps Moyes is finally getting the hang of this lark?
Michael Kenrick, Posted 03/05/2009 at 15:12:23
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1 Posted 03/05/2009 at 17:30:59
Despite just scoring, I hope to christ Moyes gets more out of Fellaini as he matures; his backtracking is non existent and is happy to float around in no-man?s-land like a stoner unless the ball is played straight to him at 7 inches or 7 feet. His passing can be fantastic but more often is too casual and a foot behind the pace.... young I know but his work rate must get better. Hope Joey?s up for the task at Wembley... looked well rusty at times today. Here?s to a VIlla stumble tomorrow. COYB
2 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:17:52
3 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:24:11
What is it with these Referees, it seems to me you can kick any Everton player at any time but if an Everton player so much as looks threateningly at an opponent he goes straight in the book.
A much needed morale booster following last week's blip and who knows we may still get the fifth spot, come on Hull City.
4 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:26:06
This was, under the circumstances, a decent display. We didn?t win because of the changes ? neither Jacobsen or Gosling was a significant improvement, but they did ok. It was a good all-round display ? very solid in defence and gradually playing some good stuff on the ground.
Pienaar really stood out for class and work rate, but I thought Fellaini also played an intelligent game ? nice awareness and passing. His loping style makes some people think he isn?t working hard, but he is. Jo also linked play well. A good day at the office.
5 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:23:00
Pienaar was sublime today. His probing & twisting are just fabulous. When he?s in the mood the whole team seems to hum at a different frequency. Loved the way the ball just zips about to feet when he?s driving.
Still too much unnecessary hoof, especially first half. But second half we were cruising. Thing is, even Fellaini likes it on the floor. Wish that would get through to our hoofers-in-chief.
Jacobsen looked a tadge rusty I thought. Shame we don?t have a spare £10m as I?d love to see Glen Johnson there. That boy is class.
Overall very professional in what could have been a banana skin, given Blunderland?s position. Be nice if we could dispose of the two cockneys in the next 2 home games, before we lose 1-0 at Fulham at the finish :-)
Hopefully we?ll nick 5th to give ourselves another £1m or so in dosh and to save ourselves 2 games & 3 weeks in the Europa, which next season looks like including Lyon, Roma, Ajax, Bayern Munich, Villarreal & Zenit SP, to name but a few.
6 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:37:40
7 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:33:52
Michael and Tony, come on lads...you both make it sound like were Brazil today due to dropping Osman. I’m sure our performance would have been equally professional with Osman on the pitch. In fact, Cahill, Gosling and Baines had off day today and were a lot worse than Osman is on a normal day.
Anyhow, an important win! COYB!
8 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:18:55
Instead, achieve a new high in Kenrick Drivel with yet another excruciating rendition of the endless, boring, repetitive slog on Osman, a guy who didn’t even play. Perhaps you could write it a few more times just in case we all missed your opinion the first 100 times you posted it.
Give it a "rest" already.
9 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:52:45
Osman, who didn’t even play, mentioned four times in about a 150 word report? Jesus, mate, give him a break.
10 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:50:02
11 Posted 03/05/2009 at 18:53:55
Picking the right team is the manager?s job. Constantly picking a player who is carrying a long-term injury and cannot train properly is a deriliction of that duty. Just comparing this week with last, the manager?s decision to rest the talismanic Cahill was risky at best and proved decisive. The decision to rest Osman this week was I contend a far better one. I believe Pienaar benefitted hugely from not having Osman in his way, hogging possession and messing up moves in that vital part of the pitch.
That was the difference today: not playing Osman.
12 Posted 03/05/2009 at 19:04:11
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21 Posted 03/05/2009 at 19:54:41
Very good result none the less.
22 Posted 03/05/2009 at 19:56:19
23 Posted 03/05/2009 at 19:54:16
24 Posted 03/05/2009 at 19:52:09
25 Posted 03/05/2009 at 19:53:52
I thought Pienaar?s performance was well above the "usual"... his relentless buzzing has been supplemented with a visible new confidence. He was getting into superb positions and demanding the ball, not just making himself available. His first touches were superb -- he was turning on everyone who challenged him at will. And his frequently wasteful passing was nowhere in evidence... with one exception, every ball was precise. And his finish was sheer muscle. Outstanding.
As to Jacobsen, I?m not as certain as some of you. He?s positionally excellent and overlaps well, but he seems uncertain on the ball to me, especially when deciding where to pass. He made some pretty dubious decisions in his own end today, and I wasn?t surprised that Moyes pulled him off and slid Nev back to make room for Rodwell. I?ll make a prediction that if Hibbert is fit next week, we?ll see him back in his usually position.
26 Posted 03/05/2009 at 19:55:57
Anyway, I may get slaughtered for this but I'd much rather have Owen up front than Jo. Sure Owen ain't doing much at Newcastle but he simply isn't getting the service. To me, Jo just ins't good enough, wastes the ball and doesn't do much. I was disappointed Vaughany didn't start but oh well... it ended up a good result: 2-0 COYB
27 Posted 03/05/2009 at 20:07:15
Stick to your day job, Michael.
Davie Moyes. Carry on doing yours.
28 Posted 03/05/2009 at 20:05:44
Lads, don't be fooled for one minute ? Moyes still creams his jeans on Osman and he will be ever-present next season unfortunately. So, like it or not, he is here to stay. But who's complaining, we are doing well and more of it.
29 Posted 03/05/2009 at 20:02:35
I see Fellaini: no pace, can't tackle, just height. I want to see Cahill in his rightful position with Castillo along side Neville.
30 Posted 03/05/2009 at 20:19:40
I’d also add a holding player and have Neville at right back.
31 Posted 03/05/2009 at 20:15:08
When he did get the ball, he used it well, and I think he only gave the ball away once in the entire game which is impressive for a 19-year-old in the Premier League and having a rare start and not in his preferred position, I also thought he put in a couple of dangerous crosses.
Piennar was great today but he didn't look much when he first came to Everton; Gosling will be an excellent player when he has had a run in the side and built up some confidence and momentum.
32 Posted 03/05/2009 at 20:33:21
Do you think Castillo is worth keeping full time? I do but I think he is only ever gonna be a squad player, so it begs the question: Why buy someone who is just gonna be a squad player? I don't think he can improve enough to be a regular.
33 Posted 03/05/2009 at 20:40:27
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39 Posted 03/05/2009 at 20:56:43
Neither Gosling nor Jacobsen (who still seemed injured after his excellent display against Chelsea) did anything particularly eye catching.
Just good solid citizens, like Hibbo and Ossie. Hmmm....
40 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:07:22
We were comfortable and as it stands, Osman for me should still start on the right, although a pacy winger in that position preferably ? even left wing (though given Pienaar?s form switching him from the left to the right may not be so wise!).
Things are looking up ? remember that today, given the players we have out, was the equivalent of Liverpool playing without Gerrard, Torres and Carragher. A few signings and a little luck getting players back and things are looking bright.
41 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:09:07
Gosh, how stupid of me... why did I not realise that Pienaar only ever plays on the left?
Er... oh, hang on. Did my eyes deceive me or was not Steven ?plays on the left? Pienaar actually played in slightly right of centre for his excellent goal? ? A goal created down the inside-right channel.
Oh dear, Mike you must feel a bit daft now... but not half as daft as when I tell you the next bit. Where did the second goal come from? Yes, it was down the left... that would be Sunderland?s left ? our right. And who put in the inch-perfect pass to Fellaini?s toe?
Yes, Pienaar. Playing superbly down our right side, in all that space that is usually hogged by... ? you guessed it: Leon Osman.
42 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:13:11
43 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:07:16
Still unsure over Fellaini... I know he's scoring but I don't know if he's good enough in behind the striker. To me, he's so off the pace and I always feel he's going to lose the ball when in possession. Gosling was awful ? not quite sure he's going to make the grade, however he's still young and may improve.
44 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:20:24
Gosling is young and will improve, whether he is good enough or not we don't know.
45 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:28:42
46 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:25:00
47 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:37:28
48 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:44:34
49 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:48:02
50 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:43:36
51 Posted 03/05/2009 at 21:41:14
For the Osman knockers ? I wouldn?t cheer too loudly if Ossie is out for a few games. I?d suggest Moyes is getting him some rest / treatment ready for the cup final.
On the topic of Jo, I think his finishing is suspect but I do think he is a handful for defences. His movement and vision are pretty damn good. Compare him to AJ and he adds more to the team. Certainly no worse in the finishing stakes and AJ would not allow us to play the ball along the deck and build up play. He?d have lost possesion or run into a blind alley.
We can?t afford Jo, but I think it would be a shrewd move to investigate the season long loan option. Some have argued we have the Yak, Saha and Vaughn, but Yak is some way off fitness, Saha and Vaughn have, ahem, trouble sustaining prolonged fitness and we will be hopefully involved in a number of competitions next season.
52 Posted 03/05/2009 at 22:19:40
53 Posted 03/05/2009 at 22:09:10
The most significant improvement for me was that for once we did not look exposed down the right, in complete contrast to recent games. Defensively we were much more composed than of late.
It?s fair to say that Gosling did not pose the kind of threat offered by Pienaar, who was simply outstanding today. But he did play some neat passes at times and did get his challenges in, hence we were not overrun and the balance of the side was much better today as a result.
Fellaini impressed and yet again made the job of scoring look effortless. A lot of positives to be taken from today?s game. Let's hope he sticks with this starting line up for future games.
54 Posted 03/05/2009 at 22:17:08
Why play Neville and Castillo (both very defensive with limited craft & creativity) against a poor, limited Sunderland side? That's why he dropped Cahill back alongside Neville to add some creativity. Fellaini is not naturally an attacking midfielder (despite notching a fair few goals this season) so at times he may well look ?out of place? as he simply is out of place to where he is used to playing.
I thought Jacobsen did well enough today and certainly looks more comfortable on the ball than Hibbert although Hibbert is stronger defensively ? this will win him his shirt against Chelsea in the final.
Moving on to Jo, who I think rarely looks like a player anywhere near the transfer fee City paid for him; however, what I did notice today was that more ?pasess? or hoofs or whatever you want to call them found their way to him than when the Yak plays up front on his own. Does this mean the balls were more accurate? Does it mean Jo is more mobile than the Yak? Does it mean Jo holds onto the ball better than the Yak? I have on many occasions been frustrated with Yak with his unwillingness to run, reluctance to jump etc and did wonder if it was Yak or perhaps the shit balls. Maybe it was the Yak and Jo has highlighted this... Maybe it just goes back to Sunderland being shite.
55 Posted 03/05/2009 at 23:09:39
56 Posted 03/05/2009 at 23:12:59
57 Posted 03/05/2009 at 23:09:22
Gosling is already better at 19 than Osman, who is at the peak of his powers; Gosling can improve greatly over the next few years so imagine how good he can be.
Osman has played a big part for Everton over the years and it shouldn't be forgotten but it's now time to step aside for the young blood, he will still get plenty of games in the cups. Gosling has much more to offer.
58 Posted 03/05/2009 at 23:36:37
Go back to the 80?s and there were always players who didn?t get total approval. Think Kevin Richardson. Think Ian Snodin. Yet we won trophies! Please stop your corrosive campaign against our best manager for years and the honest players who don?t fit into your view of our team.
59 Posted 04/05/2009 at 00:09:54
60 Posted 04/05/2009 at 01:35:19
Moyes has worked a miracle to turn our season around. And Osman and Hibbert have certainly played their part in doing that. Nobody can say that they have not contributed.
I don't see any other options now, I think Moyes plays his best hand. I have never seen Gosling play anywhere near Osman when he is on top of his game. I appreciate both players, and in fact any player that pulls on a blue shirt. They will get my 100% support, as long as they give their all. I loved Rhino as a player, even though techincally sometimes he was awful. But fuck me, did he give his all.
I would agree that the right midfield is undoubtedly the position that needs addressing. I am certain that Moyes knows this. So again, while some of you lose your heads and slate the manager, I will stay calm and put my faith in him to solve this problem. If you truly believe that he is not aware that Osman does not play consistently well, then I am sorry but you must be ignorant. This manager wants one thing, and thats for Everton FC to succeed. He is not here just to play his favourites.
Today was a decent performance, against a very poor side. There were two points that I took from the game. Pienaar was playing well enough for me to make comparisons to an on-song Arteta. He was a constant menace, and had a great game. I agree with a post above, his best as an Everton player. However, he needs to do that consistently before I will recognise him as a player of Arteta?s calibre.
Then next point was Yobo. I thought he was excellent today. I am so glad for him to put in a performance like that. I cannot believe that people are still saying he was awful, its unbelievable. I have no problems with him playing centre half at all. To suggest that he is poor as he makes too many mistakes is ridculous. Flawless players do not exist, the best defenders in the world concede goals.
So hats off to Joe and Peanuts today, they were both outstanding. And also a mention for the fans. As an ex-pat, it really makes me feel proud when I can hear the fans in full voice. Our fans, even though we all have different opinions, are still up there with the best in the world. COYB
61 Posted 04/05/2009 at 03:21:33
Matthew Salem. Well surmised .
I?m staying in a youth hostel in Manchester at the moment. Just been to see The Specials... they were amazing... Everton won... A perfect day!!!
62 Posted 04/05/2009 at 06:12:15
The lad always gives 100%+, and has good quick feet better served in the middle. If we win at Wembley 1-0, i pray that it is Leon who scores, we will see what the posters reactions are then?
Thought Pienaar was superb today, another steal by Moyes, get his twin on the right please. please.
Also I see enough ability in Gosling to predict he is going to be an excellent player, maybe a superb right back in the future? Remember, folks, he is 19 and being "thrown in" which is good for his education, he is going to be very good, just needs time.
63 Posted 04/05/2009 at 06:30:00
The criticism on here makes me cringe at times. It?s embarassing to read. Osman will definitely play in the final and Moyes may rest him until West Ham. I hope he does. Osman deserves his place and I wouldn?t bet against him scoring either. It would be fitting for the lad who got us on our way, finishing off the job. If Osman is a favourite then the status has been well earned and fought for. It wasn?t always the case.
64 Posted 04/05/2009 at 08:58:29
I think if we are carrying anyone, it's Jo; whole sections of the travelling fans were voicing their disappointment at spending their hard-earned travelling the country, only for this guy to put in yet another totally inept performance. Save him for home games, he hasn't done a thing away.
65 Posted 04/05/2009 at 09:13:14
At the end of the day they are probably good pros, level-headed lads etc but ability wise they are not and never will be good enough for Everton to make a push into the top 4. Very ordinary, that?s all they are.
Moyes this summer should be looking to replace Osman & Hibbert coz I think he has been loyal to these two in particular for far too long!! They would not get in any of the top 4 sides or Villa?s for that matter!!
66 Posted 04/05/2009 at 09:25:04
67 Posted 04/05/2009 at 09:28:26
As for Gosling, I think he?s definitely going to be a star in the future; only 19 years of age and he?s already scored a couple of memorable goals (not tap-ins) ? and he?s merely a full back supposedly.
I think Jo would be a good season-long loan option for us. He may not have a fantastic work ethic but he undoubtedly has lovely Brazilian skills and a great left foot.
68 Posted 04/05/2009 at 11:09:23
Jesus wept, man. You sound like somebody who has literally never watched football before. In fact, it’s the kind of thing my missus would say: "Why don’t we play with less players so they don’t bump into each other all the time?"
Why are you clutching so desperately at straws to slate Osman? It’s absolutely ludicrous to suggest that Pienaar has failed to produce all season because Osman is in his way; and that removing Osman from the team allowed him finally to shine. But if that argument ISN’T ludicrous, surely it makes just as much sense to ssay that Osman has failed to produce all season because Pienaar is in HIS way? No? Ah, I guess that’s because you haven’t got an agenda against Pienaar. Yet.
By the way, how do you rationalise Osman’s man-of-the-match performance against Wigan a few weeks back?
69 Posted 04/05/2009 at 11:26:04
70 Posted 04/05/2009 at 12:07:01
An observation which I have picked up is that whenever we play Yobo we play hoofball a lot more frequently than we do if Jags and Lescott are at the back. I?m not sure if he is still quite rusty and doesn?t have his game fitness and touch or he just isn?t as composed as the other two. I especially think that with Jacobsen and Baines on the defensive flanks that we have two decent distributors of both short balls and crosses and we should utilise this strength.
Am I the only one who sees from that point of view or have other people picked up on that fact???
71 Posted 04/05/2009 at 12:08:03
Ian Tunny, you think Gosling is a better player now than Osman. I had to digest that for a few minutes. Gosling can only dream (and I?m sure he does) of possessing equal ability to Leon Osman. Leon might not be first choice in a title chasing team but look where we are. Right now in an excellent team he is crucial to our success.
Yes we were OK yesterday, against a rubbish team and won easily. The same would certainly have been the case if Osman had played. An injury to Osman would severely affect our chances in the cup this year. Osman?s a great player and does a great job for us.
72 Posted 04/05/2009 at 12:41:54
You know for sure Osman and Hibbert will be in the Cup Final eleven no matter what the replacements do in the few games left. Good to see Pienaar playing so consistently well. We will need that at Wembley.
73 Posted 04/05/2009 at 14:31:15
I prefer Osman as a centre midfielder and I think he prefers it too. He?s a great squad player to have and he?s Everton through and through. At the game against City, I was sitting at Lower Gwladys and one guy was calling him a sell-out. We didn?t even buy him as he came from the academy!!
Michael Kenrick, we didn?t shine because Osman didn?t play, we shined because Pienaar stepped up to the plate. Osman not playing had nothing to do with Pienaar?s performance. I agree Osman should not be a first teamer next season, but now until the final, he should be because he?s our best alternative in that position.
74 Posted 04/05/2009 at 14:53:59
But tend to disagree about Hibbert's crosses, we know he's no Beckham, but his crosses have been good up to the Villa game. Trouble is, we don't have a good target up front anymore to get on the end of them (a la Big Dunc) except when Mo the Fro has made an early run. Tim is a god header of the ball..... at least in front of goal... but his size is against him with the high lofted balls.
Really don't know who is best at right back for the final run in... Jaco looks a bit lost sometimes... hhmmm!!!
75 Posted 04/05/2009 at 14:52:43
We win 2-0 and all you have done is moan. I suspect you did it to get the post going, as evidence would show, it has fully got it going. Why not actually have a thread on TW where it?s not about moaning about Moyes or slagging off players?
Who was Hibbert?s replacement? LJ. How did he play against a really poor Sunderland? Average at best. Who was Osman?s replacement? DG. How did he play against a really poor Sunderland side? Average at best. If Hibbert and Osman are so bad, why is it that we?re 5th and in the Cup Final? They must have been doing something right. Oh don?t tell me, the other boys have carried them all season. Fuckin laughable.
The defence only just hung on for a clean sheet. Are you taking the piss? Are some of your views for real or is it just to get a post going?
Osman getting in Pienaar?s way? You mentioned that Pienaar was on the right, etc. and making significant contributions. Well if Osman had played, at this time he would have been on the left (as players often switch wings), so how the fuck would he have got in his way if he?d been on the other side of the pitch??? The biggest load of shit I have ever heard. Piernaar had a fantastic game. He?s had a few of them lately. This was even better than others of late. I see this being because 1) He?s a great player 2) Sunderland were really shit and gave him so much space. Pienaar would be good whoever he plays against, but would he be that good against Man Utd??
As for Hibbert, lately, defensively very good and his crossing (bar his last game) has greatly improved. Osman has contributed greatly over the years, hence, why he gets in the side. Are people getting that? He works hard, has great control, passes the ball well and will score goals. Plus he?s Everton through and through. Let?s go out there and spend millions we haven?t got on some foreign replacement who can?t be arsed after a few cold, fast games. As a few have said on here, thank goodness Moyes picks the side and not some of the people on here.
See you lads, I?m off to watch the awesome display of Gosling from yesterday, I believe Barcelona on are his trail. Osman is quaking... not.
76 Posted 04/05/2009 at 15:12:55
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78 Posted 04/05/2009 at 19:20:14
We don't have a big enough squad to accommodate him within that kind of system and frankly I think he's had a nightmare this season playing on the right. His decision-making has been poor and he has been caught on the ball or knocked off it far too much. He?s also left Tony Hibbert wide open as he doesn?t have the stamina or strength to cover his full back. Until we beef up our midfield and change the system, he will always be the weak link.
Tony Hibbert is my preffered right back ahead of Jacobsen every time. He doesn?t have the attacking ability of Baines but is a better defender.
Now Fellaini looks disinterested and lazy but when we get Arteta back in the team we will see the best of him again. Earlier in the season, his link up play with Mikel was superb and he looked a constant attacking threat.
There's been a few posts criticising Gosling which I don't understand; he did get caught with the ball a couple of times but this was due to poor decision-making which he will certainly rectify as he matures and gets more appearances but his energy and effort are faultless and he definitely has the ability to score goals, he's going to be a great player.
The effort from Jo was commendable although his final ball was disappointing but what about Pienaar, absolute class. I?m terrified of him getting a knock before the Final. I?ve given DM some stick in the past but you?ve got to hold your hands up and say he?s grown into a top rate manager and him and Steve Round have got us playing our best football since the mid-eighties.
79 Posted 04/05/2009 at 21:14:47
But that is not to Osman?s credit that is to his detriment. Of course how silly of me he scored the winner against Macclesfield. I mean WOW! Diego Maradona never achieved that.
I love how you lot who slag off Gosling complain when certain sections slag off Osman. Great footballer HAHAHA! I suppose credit where it?s due for Stephen Baines for fighting Osman?s cause to death but common let?s be serious here he gives the ball away time and time again every game. Imagine the field day Chelsea players will have in the Final.
If we are serious about breaking into the top 4 then Osman should be chucked away.