It is interesting to note that our FA Cup final opponents have the full support of the media regarding their ill fortune in last night's European Semi-Final. Conspiracy theories abound, all part of Platini's plan to hamstring the English clubs from total domination.
I find it mildly amusing that when Everton are given draws against the likes of Villarreal and Standard Liege, and have had to put up with Collina's antics in Spain, there is no mention of any such conspiracy theory.
Also when Chelsea are removed from the Champions League by a Sky 4 rival with a dubious goal once again no mention of any possible wrong doing.
When a Referee like Wiley can constantly not give major decisions in Everton's favour there is no hue and cry, we are told to dust ourselves down and get on with it.
The reaction of the Stamford Bridge players was outrageous and if any Everton side reacted like that I would be ashamed of them.
But that is the crux of my post, when Graham Poll says that Chelsea should have had 4 penalties (personally I thought only 1 was a stonewall pen) it is time for Evertonians to worry about what may happen at Wembley on the 30th May.
Remember Blues dignity at all times, even if the Ref has a howler and we don't win because a couple of penalties are awarded to the media darlings from up the King's Road.
Anthony Dyer, Posted 07/05/2009 at 00:55:26
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1 Posted 07/05/2009 at 10:45:01
Whether there are any implications for the Cup final, I don’t know, but there must be a chance that Chelsea will drop their bundle completely after last night.
2 Posted 07/05/2009 at 10:52:36
3 Posted 07/05/2009 at 10:56:15
4 Posted 07/05/2009 at 10:50:47
The behaviour of Drogba, Ballack and to a lesser extent Terry at the end of the game was a disgrace last night and they MUST be punished by the authorities. There are no mitigating circumstances that allow players to challenge match officials in such a way.
The behaviour must be shown as being unacceptable... otherwise, what example is being set to the thousands of kids who watched last night?
I think Cameron sums it up when he says he hopes no Everton Team ever behaves in that way.
Chelsea have no dignity, it's as simple as that.
5 Posted 07/05/2009 at 11:26:16
I sincerly hope Ballack and Drogba are punished, would be fun if they missed the Cup Final. That said, all the talk of them not getting pens means its a dead cert they’ll get one against us now. Put your money on it. Hopefully by that point we will be 3 nil up though :D COYB FTRS!
6 Posted 07/05/2009 at 11:24:11
Actually, the ref was so appalling (shades of THAT Derby....) that I would not be suprised if he didn’t at least know that the ’feeling’ at UEFA Central was that they would rather avoid English domination again this year... Influence does not have be very direct to make a difference in the split moments.
Chelsea, with Liverpool, have been systematic cheaters and referee intimidators for years now. Banning Drogba for 6 European games, Ballack for 4, and Terry for 2 would be a good way to start us on the road back to sanity. Fines are of course pointless (unless they have at least eight numbers...).
Who knows how it will affect them for the 30th? It could just as easily make them even more determined to win - to get at least one trophy out of this season. The ref better be good....
7 Posted 07/05/2009 at 11:19:20
They have been so used to ref?s crumbling in front of them that they think if things dont go their way they have a right to virtually physically abuse an official.
The ref in any game may get it wrong, once twice ten times but they are the ref and must not ever be subject to what we saw from Chelsea.
To see John Terry hold one of the stewards back and have a word to him to stop standing in Drogba's way so Drogba could continue his tirade smacks of cowardice. He did not have the balls to do it himself so he left his team mate go at it.
I am glad that I have never seen an Everton player or coach (Hiddink is a hero here in Oz but how he defended them leaves a sick feeling in my stomach) behave like that. Ban them for the first half of next season to teach the ever growing parade of over-paid footballers that, while the bring much joy to a lot of people, it does not excuse them from having to act like men.
8 Posted 07/05/2009 at 11:30:42
9 Posted 07/05/2009 at 11:24:23
That said, it was good to see that the ref last night didn't fall for the loathesome wimp known as Drogba, his feigning and falling over due to heavy breathing was just comical. Maybe he will realise that you score goals by standing on your feet not falling over it the faintest contact.
I hope that whoever the ref is in the Cup Final, that he is prepared for Drogba's antics. Personally, I would love to see him sent off in the final for giving away a match winning penalty, such is my disdain for the waster. Sooner the moaner leaves these shores the better, probably the most disliked player in the Prem (after Joey Barton). COYBs
10 Posted 07/05/2009 at 11:29:46
Anelka tripped himself up and got Alves sent off (no one mentions this). Drogba regularly goes down like a lazy whore and, despite his abilities, it’s a case of the boy who cried wolf. The Pique handball was nonsense. It was kicked at him from a yard way. There used to be a decision called "ball to hand". Players can’t walk around with their hands in their shorts.
The referee may not have had a brilliant game, but I have seen worse decisions given in a game with less hulabaloo (e.g. Collina, or AJ’s goal at Blackburn last season). Fact is, players like Drogba, Gerrard, Scoles etc go to ground easier based on a) if they are in the area or not, and b) what the stakes are.
Guus Hiddink summed it up when he said that, whilst he understood & would defend his players’ emotive actions at the end, they should have focused more on the chances they did have & on the fact that Barcelona were a man short.
I have no real problem with sportsmen being upset on occasions. I have a bigger problem with cheats.
11 Posted 07/05/2009 at 11:38:15
12 Posted 07/05/2009 at 11:49:05
Last night was another example of why I'm losing all faith in football, but I guess it makes me even prouder to be a Blue; can you imagine the likes of Jags, Mikky or Tim chasing the ref around and swearing to the camera in front of millions of people round the world?
Drogba is a complete disgrace to the game and should get a lengthy ban, I dont know if it's been mentioned but didn't he leave the pitch "injured" as well? Didn't look injured at the final whistle.
I just hope even more now that we can do them in the Cup Final. Not only would it be a terrific victory for us, it would be a victory for football as a whole.
Rant over, COYB!!!!
13 Posted 07/05/2009 at 12:09:27
He got 8 months and missed the olympics. I would like to see Fifa show some balls and ban the players for a smilar length, I think the Drogba and Ballack should be rubbed out for a year each and Lampard and Terry 6 games. I think that Chelsea as a club should be sanctioned.
If that were to happen, which is extremelly unlikely as the only balls in the Uefa offices are the footballs, would the four be suspended for the FA Cup final?
In another scenario, would Chelsea impose an internal punishment as thet would want to show some muscle?
I think it all leads to a Chelsea team fired up for the Cup, which is not what we want.
14 Posted 07/05/2009 at 12:13:00
Really, who wants to see John Terry (how IS this man the England captain?) lift a cup and parade it around Wembley with low life cheats like Ballack, Anelka and Drogba? (Compare: Neville, with Cahill, Lescott and Pienaar.) Let’s just hope having everyone on our side helps.
15 Posted 07/05/2009 at 12:17:12
Those penalty decisons were shocking!
16 Posted 07/05/2009 at 12:39:47
17 Posted 07/05/2009 at 12:53:19
I can understand Chavski?s frustration, they had a game plan that almost worked but they should have been out of sight with at least two pens. The ref probably got word that he messed up with the sending off and spent the rest of the game trying to make up for it.
Ballack and Drogba should receive lengthy bans but I doubt it will mean they will be banned from the FA Cup, just Europe, but fingers crossed you never know. I am surprised that the ref didn?t send both Bollock and Dogbra off though.
They were screwed by the ref though, none of this ball to hand crap with Pique, his arm was raised to almost head height and he clearly stopped Anelka from a deffinite scoring opportunity.
18 Posted 07/05/2009 at 12:56:02
19 Posted 07/05/2009 at 12:59:23
20 Posted 07/05/2009 at 12:55:29
Equally disapointing was Hiddink defending such actions afterwards, shame on you Gus. I can only hope that this puts them under ever-more increasing pressure when they meet us at Wembley and that no matter what happens there that we don?t lower ourselves to their level of scum behaviour.
21 Posted 07/05/2009 at 13:24:57
If that was Everton and our players acted that way I?d understand it as I would be trying to get to the ref myself!! (just kidding). All the fans roaring, huge occasion, the rematch that they?ve wanted all year tasted. Do you all really think you could hold it in and walk calmly off the park???
22 Posted 07/05/2009 at 13:31:33
23 Posted 07/05/2009 at 13:27:42
24 Posted 07/05/2009 at 13:14:20
I have even less sympathy for their fans, the attendance last night was 38,000 in a ground that holds 42,000!
Can you imagine even Goodison’s restricted view seats being empty in a Champions League semi with Barca?
Their not fans, they are just people with too much money who are able to read a recent league table.
25 Posted 07/05/2009 at 13:33:34
26 Posted 07/05/2009 at 13:28:24
"he also goes dowm quicker than Paris Hilton with a camcorder near her" - I think not, if you saw the 1st goal last week against Sunderland !
27 Posted 07/05/2009 at 13:06:38
Secondly, am I the only one in thinking that John Terry has never been involved in any handball incidents (less than 100 incidents counts as zero in their eyes!!!) and got away with it. Being an Everton fan, I?m sure he?s handled the ball on several occasions against us!! Last night was just desserts in my eyes.
Thirdly, am I the only one who gets annoyed at people referring to a Man Utd/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool dominated competition as English dominance or ?It?s good for English Football??? Bollocks. How does it benefit Everton when these 4 teams continually earn more money (and world wide exposure) from playing in the Champions League? The further they go in the competition, the more they earn, the better players they can buy, meaning they are securing their position in the top 4 spots in the league. Thus the vicious circle continues and the further behind the rest of football becomes.
Anyway, off my soap box!!! COYB
28 Posted 07/05/2009 at 13:50:24
29 Posted 07/05/2009 at 07:06:43
It's not that I wanted Chelsea to get to the CL Final 3 days before the FA Cup final, with potentially knackered or injured players. It's more to do with the fact that in the modern global game where a goalie who has played in England for 5 years is eligible to play for England; where the free movement of labour with no passport required is in force; where cheap flights to Barca cost less than a taxi to the match; where fans of the big 4 come from foreign lands en masse every Saturday; where a Barcelona fan interviewed before the CL match last night had a Northern English accent.
We live in a time where a good English meal consists of a Chinese on a Friday, an Indian on a Saturday, and a Pizza on a Sunday night. The times we live in have changed immeasurably over the last few years, and I think it's time that Fifa have another look at this now outdated Away Goals rule.
I'm sure every Chelsea fan would have preferred extra time and even penalties last night having gone out of the competition not by the other team scoring more goals over the home and away matches, but by a stupid rule I've never liked even from when I was a kid. Plus millions of viewers worldwide could have had an extra 30+ minutes of immense sporting entertainment to go down in history. But no. They score in injury time and all the focus is on a moaning Drogba trying to kill the ref.
30 Posted 07/05/2009 at 14:30:51
31 Posted 07/05/2009 at 14:51:16
But this was not just players ’reacting in the moment’. Chelsea, like Liverpool, have put into practice a systematic policy of referee intimidation for the last three or four seasons (I do think ManU and Arsenal are a bit better). This was an extreme version of what these boys do every single week.
32 Posted 07/05/2009 at 15:05:15
Taking a leaf from the editor’s and Marshy’s book re Osman and his Wigan performance, One swallow does not a summer make (in a Yoda stylee)
33 Posted 07/05/2009 at 14:38:29
Right, incoherent ramble over!
34 Posted 07/05/2009 at 15:34:10
35 Posted 07/05/2009 at 15:52:28
Also, the FA Cup is the only bit of silverware Chelsea are likely to win now this season. Let?s hope the Ref at the final doesn?t feel sorry for them in relation to last night?s semi-final.
36 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:12:06
37 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:16:39
The Chelsea players reaction at the end of (and in Ballack?s case during) the game showed them up for what they are... a disgrace to themselves, club, family and the game. Any players attacking the ref like that should be faced with substantial bans in all competitions and enormous fines. Unlikely to happen though...
In any case, we can knock em off in the final. COYB!
38 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:39:44
IF Chelsea had won last night they would have played a major final 3 days before playing a rested Everton at Wembley in the FA cup and hence would have been knackered and still pissed like us in ?85. The referee last night was Norwegian so ipso facto a gobshite. No way would he want us to win anything so he made sure that Chelsea are nice and rested for the big one.
Well, makes more sense than he was trying to avoid an all-English final by reducing the opposition to 10 men.
39 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:43:17
What are you saying lass?
’The FA Cup is the only trophy Chelsea are LIKELY to win this season’
I think our lads might have something to say about that!
40 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:49:39
Absolutely spot on mate. It stands out a mile! Fooking Norwegians!
41 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:39:28
I have to say I hope Barca stuff Rooney & company in the final because on their day, which is just about every day of the week, they are truly awesome and a delight to watch for a supporter or neutral.
42 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:31:20
43 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:51:50
44 Posted 07/05/2009 at 16:56:27
Anyway I digress... one obvious penalty dismissed and those Chelsea muppets engage in assault and affray... personally I hope they get locked up.
They were simply beaten by a better team, with ten men... anybody who says there is a conspiracy is an idiot. The ref sent a Barcelona player off for nothing FFS.
Oh aye, and while I?m at it... Fletcher?s sending off the night before was a clear implementation of the rules... he took the player while getting the ball, therefore it was a foul... and as that foul prevented a goalscoring opportunity it's a red. There?s no discretion. OFF.
45 Posted 07/05/2009 at 17:15:23
Moyes has shown this season that he can play the ante-post mind games successfully so it should be interesting to see how he handles the build-up to the game.
46 Posted 07/05/2009 at 17:43:04
There were at least 5 penalty shouts. Of those 5 at least 4 would have been given, as individual decisions, in any Premier League or European game. Some above have suggested only one was a stone waller, not everyone has stated which one they thought was a penalty, but I bet if they were against Everton you would have screamed injustice if you hadn?t got every single one.
That was a great piece of entertainment last night, but not a particularly good advert for the game in my book. Chelsea could have won that game 5-1, yet we?re all still waxing lyrical about Beautiful Barca. Well, fuck Barca! They are great passers of the ball and have excellent technique, but I thought Huddink showed what an excellent coach he is by getting Chelsea to play to their strengths and effectively shut Barca down. They had one shot on target FFS! You can pass it around all day but at some point you have to score!
I don?t like to see hoofball and I want EFC to play it on the deck, but I don?t want to watch them stroke it around all game and draw 1-1. Chelsea should be as frustrated at their missed opportunities as they are at the referee?s display, but to say that you wouldn?t react the same way, in the same situation, with the same at stake, after being denied a 5th penalty shout is naive. <>The reaction on here after the Clattenburg debacle showed how emotions can take over. You?ll never really know how you would react until you are in the situation. They should be punished for their antics as it must be shown that it is unacceptable, but I do not believe any other team would?ve reacted any differently in the same circumstances. If you are put under that much pressure then at times you will crack!
47 Posted 07/05/2009 at 17:46:41
48 Posted 07/05/2009 at 18:29:11
The game is riddled with cheating, particularly on the continent. Not sure why we bother to even compete particularly at the national level as it seems that success will never happen, due to a lack of ability to adapt to that sort of mind set, rather than a shortcoming in technical ability.
49 Posted 07/05/2009 at 19:06:22
And yes Chelski should have had at least 1 pen (the handball) I don't know how Alan could say that was ball to hand the others??? Could have gone either way, sad to see Chelski go out... I wanted them in the final extra time knackered for the FA Cup, but at least Barca v Manure will be a better game.
50 Posted 07/05/2009 at 19:32:01
Shame it probably won?t happen though.
51 Posted 07/05/2009 at 20:01:11
Shakhtar Donetsk are in the final...
52 Posted 07/05/2009 at 21:14:19
53 Posted 07/05/2009 at 21:26:45
Class versus cash.......
54 Posted 07/05/2009 at 21:50:58
55 Posted 08/05/2009 at 01:53:37
56 Posted 08/05/2009 at 08:55:04
What I said, if you?d care to read it properly, was on an objective application of the rules ? Fletcher's was.
57 Posted 08/05/2009 at 10:02:46
However, if you take the ball and the man at the same time, I personally don?t think it is a foul, as long as your initial impact is with the ball.
58 Posted 08/05/2009 at 11:02:44
59 Posted 08/05/2009 at 13:42:04
The circumstances play a big part. But of course there can times (like fletchers) when you get the ball then take the player out... and its still a foul.
For you to state outright that this is ?obviously incorrect? just indicates you haven?t read the rules since the early 80s.
You see.. the problem with these type of arguments is that people argue on the basis of what they think the rules should be ? not what they are.
Tackling with careless, reckless or excessive force = foul. Law 12.
60 Posted 11/05/2009 at 08:51:58
My "obviously incorrect" comments with in regards to what Michael was thinking. I had to do a double take when reading your post, as I thought you meant that every tackle where you get the ball and then the man is a foul, hence my saying Michael was "obviously incorrect" in that way of thought.
I can see where you may have been confused with my wording but there?s hardly any need for your usual sarcastic comments about the 80s. (I know me suggesting others not be sarcastic, ironic isn?t it?)