Is Moyes deliberately keeping Vaughan in the shadows and will the lad be sprung on Chelsea a la Mike Treblecock in 1966?
Working from an old and unreliable memory, I believe that Mike was a small fee signing by Harry Catterick from Portsmouth who at that time was a lower division side.
That year, our 1st team could not hit a barn door with a banjo while in the reserves Mike was banging them in just for fun. In those days, reserve games were half price at Goodison with gates of approx 4,000. When I could not go to 1st team away games I went instead to the reserves.
There I saw this Mike fellow who everyone was raving about. What I found was a strong nuggety little chap who was physically more than capable of holding his own. His main weaknesses were lack of pace and poor first touch. His best attributes were guts, strength on the ball and an instinctive goal awareness.
He could be described as an early version of Cahill but minus Tim?s heading ability. Mike?s cup final goals brought him under scrutiny from opponents and no longer would the ?unknown factor? work to his advantage. Injury further spoilt his chance of success in the top division.
To my mind there is no doubt that a fit James Vaughan will play at Wembley and hopefully do a Treblecock over Chelsea.
Wherever in the world Mike Treblecock now is, god bless you son and thanks.
Dick Fearon, Posted 11/05/2009 at 21:10:11
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1 Posted 12/05/2009 at 04:21:34
2 Posted 12/05/2009 at 05:02:05
There is no doubt that he will give the oposition something to think about, the knack will be when to play him.
Its good that we have the option.
Bring em on, COYB’s
3 Posted 12/05/2009 at 05:58:06
4 Posted 12/05/2009 at 06:06:52
I would love him to think he has this option up his sleeve but I doubt he will think about it or even use it...cart horse Jo and sick note will get the nod ahead of JV and we will all think of the wasted opportunity we had.
I really hope I am wrong and every person who shouts negative, koppite, bastard will be able to say I told you so.
5 Posted 12/05/2009 at 06:23:35
6 Posted 12/05/2009 at 06:23:31
7 Posted 12/05/2009 at 06:47:04
I have been disappointed that Moyes has not given JV a go over the last few weeks, when sick note does not seem interested and we know that Jo will be going back to City. I hope he plays him for the next two games even one half to give him some match fitness.
8 Posted 12/05/2009 at 06:47:02
I am sure he will figure and after all the heartache and injuries the stage is set for one James Vaughan.
9 Posted 12/05/2009 at 07:00:30
I assume Moysey is keeping a watching brief on JV ready to unleash him on a tiring Chelski back 4 come Cup Final day.
10 Posted 12/05/2009 at 07:33:38
Trying not to be pedantic as well but its Mike Trebilcock not Treblecock and Dream, Believe, Achieve is a decent book telling his story.
11 Posted 12/05/2009 at 08:19:51
More likely Moyes is just taking it very slow with him because Vaughan is so injury prone.
No point rushing him back only for another long-term injury to pop up. Wrap him in cotton wool and hope that a long rest over the summer will get him stronger for next season.
Although Vaughan is talented he?s become a joke with these constant injuries. Over the last three seasons he?s hardly contributed anything to the team.
For me Vaughan is on his last chance. One more long term injury and Moyes has to give up and sign another striker who is actually gonna play some games and score a few goals.
12 Posted 12/05/2009 at 09:00:33
I was there at the Bridge two seasons ago, we only scored one goal FFS, may have got another one at best. JV had a good game ? no more, no less.
13 Posted 12/05/2009 at 09:42:22
14 Posted 12/05/2009 at 09:57:20
Am I the only Evertonian alive who thinks that the reason Vaughan isn’t getting a game is possibly because he’s just not good enough? Everton fans seem to think this boy is going to be the messiah in the future, but everytime I’ve seen him play he strikes me as someone who’s not there yet. Yes, injuries have taken their toll and as a result he’s probably two years behind in his development, but when I see Vaughany I see a willing runner, with great work rate, a lot of power and strength and a good striker of the ball, but at the same time I see someone who lacks a lot of composure, has a poor touch, plays with his head down too much and struggles to look like a goal threat for long periods. The classic example of this was his full debut against Arsenal (1-0, AJ and the snow / hail). After the match people were raving about his performance, but I saw a bit of a headless chicken to be honest.
Don’t get me wrong - there’s no doubt the boy has some good raw materials and COULD become a very good striker. And if nothing else he has the tenacity, bravery and desire to score his share of goals. But he is miles off being a top player and is still very much all about potential. People are suggesting that he could scare the life out of Chelsea, but I think that Saha and Cahill are much more likely to grab a goal for us if they play up top.
Agree though with the comments that considering our injury problems, lack of options and Saha’s own fitness that Vaughany HAS to get on (as a sub) at Wembley.
15 Posted 12/05/2009 at 10:24:49
"Listen monsieur, this is your last 15 minutes at the utmost peak of your career. The chances are you won?t get to play in another FA Cup final, so go out there like your life depended on these next 15 minutes. Run the defence ragged until you can?t breath and your legs are screaming in agony. I want to see tears of pain for 15 minutes because my lad that?s all you?ve got left at Wembley. I want you to remember these next 15 minutes for the rest of your days. And if you do it right and score a goal, you will never have to buy a croissant and coffee in the City again".
I think if a player knows he?s only got a short time left, he can go hell for leather without holding back. Then on comes JV to grab more headlines.
Anyone think that is c?est une plan d?attacke. Or would I just be plain stupid for suggesting that DM would play genius tactical mind games on one of his own players.
16 Posted 12/05/2009 at 10:27:48
17 Posted 12/05/2009 at 10:38:38
I was speaking with one of the assistant physios at Everton recently, and he maintains that JV has had a number of serious operations on his knees over the last four years for someone of such an young age.
He (and it was only his opinion) and not that of the club, was that he doubted whether James would be able to stay relatively injury free for the remainder of his career, certainly with the demands of the Premier League.
Maybe DM knows this and is using him sparingly prior to the final? Clearly a 100% fit JV would always start over Jo and Saha?
18 Posted 12/05/2009 at 10:56:55
Vaughan is at best an unproved quantity with some nice potential.
For the games I have seen him play, I have also seen the headless chicken act. Along with something that reminds me a bit of a nasty streak.
He has a strong physical presence and great attitude, but still unproven and injury ridden.
Would still love to see a 10-20 min cameo in the final from him.
19 Posted 12/05/2009 at 11:12:01
Wembley new and old, has been a place where the nerves have stopped many players from playing to their full potential. I don't think Vaughan will care less about that, or about the opposition, he maybe wayward at times, but then if something comes off, he could just be the hero that we have been looking for.
Don't forget lads, this boy has been out for most of the season, and is on his way back. If he stays injury free, and we hope he does for him and the club, then we will see exactly what type of player we have on our hands.
As I have said before, next year will be the defining season for Vaughan.
And we could have a "player" on our hands.
20 Posted 12/05/2009 at 12:05:34
Despite the negativity of some posts re Moyes, Moyes knows what his doing, he watches them in training and knows his squad better than any of you. If Saha is fit and Vaughan is fit, then Saha will Obviously start unless Moyes opts for Fellaini and Cahill in the forward positions which would make a lot more sense than chucking Vaughan in.
Maybe in a couple of seasons after Vaughan has played more games and if he remains injury-free and catches up in terms of his technical development then maybe this discussion wouldn't be so unrealistic. However, in the here and now, there is no way that Moyes will start with Vaughan, an unexperienced 20-year-old who is not match fit, who ? despite the hyperbole ? is simply not good enough yet.
21 Posted 12/05/2009 at 12:49:58
But it?ll not be long before familiarity breeds contempt ? as they say in football watching circles.
22 Posted 12/05/2009 at 12:49:58
You are not alone.
JV is an average player. Absence makes the heart grow fonder - as they say in knitting circles.
But it’ll not be long before familiarity breeds contempt - as they say in football watching circles.
23 Posted 12/05/2009 at 14:08:06
Just to let you know that Mike lives in Newcastle, New South Wales.
Aside from that, I have always pronounced his name as it is spelled Treblecock but if my memory serves me right, Kenneth Wolstenholme in the1966 cup final used to pronounce him name as Trebilco. Who was right?
24 Posted 12/05/2009 at 16:35:19
25 Posted 12/05/2009 at 16:39:43
I would also play almost anyone ahead of Saha based on his play over the last few appearances ? Cahill up front battling that crying prick Terry and Fellaini attacking the box late with Castillo marking Lampard out of the game.
To me, the key is stopping Cole attacking the space vacated by Osman when he drifts inside... I would play Gosling just ahead of Hibbert down the right side and leave Osman on the bench ? but we all know that Ossie will play. COYB!
26 Posted 12/05/2009 at 19:00:10
Tony, This is an Everton website. If it is not about Everton, or nothighly relevant to Everton, chances are it won't get posted. If it is predominantly about another team (Chelsea, Newcastle and Liverpool being the current favourites) it will definitely not be published. Sorry. ? The Editor
27 Posted 12/05/2009 at 20:19:04
Perhaps you guys could add your middle initials? ? The Editor.
28 Posted 12/05/2009 at 21:03:06
Generally I agree with the people saying that Moyes is easing Vaughan back in, he has never been a manager who has not placed faith in the simple philosophy that if your good enough your old enough. Rodwell for example is increasingly looking a class act.
29 Posted 12/05/2009 at 21:37:40
30 Posted 12/05/2009 at 23:35:42
with Vaughan, Rodwell, Gosling, Jacobsen, Nash, Baxter, Van der Meyde.
As for Saha not shifting ? I think it's because he isn't match-fit and should be by the final... so I expect him to start. He is by far the best finisher we have, if fit.
31 Posted 13/05/2009 at 00:29:16
Got to agree with the above team although I suppose there is a chance that Moyes will go with Fellaini and Cahill in the attacking positions, especially if Louis is still not 100%. (And I wouldn't be too annoyed if he did as it would help us in midfield and give two players who score brilliantly from midfield license to attack.)
32 Posted 13/05/2009 at 00:46:33
My question is; when did they stop holding Reserve games at both stadiums?
33 Posted 13/05/2009 at 07:24:54
My starting 11 for the final will be Howard, Lescott, Yobo, Baines, Hibbert, Neville, Rodwell, Pienaar, Osman, Cahill and Fellaini. Yes... no strikers ? but we have played well in this formation before.
The game plan I believe is to choke the midfield and counter. Plus, we don?t feed our strikers well so I guess this is the best option and go for extra time. Then... JV and Gosling will be unleashed with Fella and Osman dropping out. Sounds familiar???
I don?t care if we lose the cup but I hope the boys do go down with Guns Blazing! COYB!!!!!
34 Posted 13/05/2009 at 08:49:05
35 Posted 13/05/2009 at 11:25:37
36 Posted 14/05/2009 at 00:15:34
I still tink Piennaar will be the decisive factor. If he and Baines are allowed to link up down the left flank, we?ve got a chance. If not, it?s gonna be backs to the wall (a la 1995), and as much as I appreciate Yobo?s talents, he?s just not as solid as Jags. Hope I?m wrong!
37 Posted 14/05/2009 at 11:45:26
Jags communicates more, and Yobo hoofs it less. There?s not much in it for me.
38 Posted 14/05/2009 at 14:52:52
39 Posted 14/05/2009 at 23:42:17
Let's be honest here ? we won?t be winning the cup unless they have an unusually bad day and we have a lot of luck and an unusually good day.
Very optimistically, we might hold them out for pens... but even then, I prefer their goalie and kickers by a mile.
I know we have to support and believe, but I?ve hedged my bets and put a monkey on Chelsea winning.