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Right lets all take a few moments to stop and think about what our team has acheived this season.

5th in the Prem... FA Cup finalists... And?

Don't get me wrong ? after the start we had, we have done incredibly well... but we have not won anything and did not improve on last season, from a league position point of view anyway. Now the talk is not so much about who we will buy but who we will sell.

City do have loads of cash to splash around (as do others) but are they a more attractive proposition to players than us? I don't think so. Talk about selling any of our top players is just wrong, no matter how much is on the table. People saying they would sell so and so if this much was offered should think about what we are trying to do at our club. ie, build a team cappable of challanging for trophies ? not become a selling club again... we have been there and it was not a good experience.

Before you all say, "Our club will need to sell to buy," think about it: what we need is investment, to keep the class players we have and to build on the progress we have been making over the last few seasons. If players want to go (it can only be for money), don't let them, show the football world Everton are not a small-minded club and will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future. These players are under contract and once the transfer window is closed will soon be giving 100% to the team again.

I know some of you will be saying, "Get in the real world," but now is the time to make our stand ? either we are a big club moving forward and aiming for the Champions League and trophies, or we are a mid-table mediocre selling team, hoping for a half-decent cup run and praying we avoid the dreaded drop.

I am sure we all want to move forward and that will not be achieved buy selling our best players and accepting an FA Cup Final defeat as success, so Blue Bill: invest or go out and get the investment required ? but don't start selling the assets we have or there will be a lot of unhappy and disillusioned fans who will only remember the fact that we never really improved under you and Mr Moyes and have been left no better off.

So to sum up: YES, we need investment; YES, we need a new ground (I don't care where); YES, we need 2 or 3 class players and a few squad players... NO, we don't need to sell our best players; and NO, we don't need to accept an FA Cup Final defeat and 5th place as a success.
Peter Rogers, Runcorn     Posted 05/06/2009 at 05:35:50

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Mark Hill
1   Posted 05/06/2009 at 16:20:11

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We have one thing that, i don’t think any club in the top flight can match, in fact it doesn’t come close, i will site Newcastle as a classic example of what happens when you don’t have it, team spirit, and togetherness, complete and utter team work flowing through the team, this is one of those reasons why Moyes seems to get more from his players than most any other manager currently can get. We do need more, we have got a good team i still think it will be harder next year, and i do think we will finish above both Citeh and the Spuds too, for the reason above, they dont have it much and we have it in spades..!
Ged Simpson
2   Posted 05/06/2009 at 16:46:35

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That was such a well-meaning pile of misguided nonsense.

You say "Now the talk is not so much about who we will buy but who we will sell." ? Whose talk Some fat arse in the Sun?

And of course it is wrong to sell. Just like the top 4 being the top 4 is wrong. Just like world poverty. But we play in a league of business tactics as much as football.

City more attractive than us? Reality is they may well be to some. That?s the reality Moyes and Kenwright deal with.

Make a stand? Love the idea. Really love it. But it would be like a corner shop making a stand against Tesco sadly. Transfer window closes and they then give 100%? Doubt it... and just a corrosion of a team spirit that is one of the few assets we have.

So I do say to you, Get in the Real World.

The reality of the current game is that most fans are disillusioned and will stay that way. Like us, many will have moments of pride such as our 5th place and Cup Final but in the end, the rich will win.

So we will, because we were born to, support our club... but don?t think for a minute we will change things alone by "making a stand."

Just look at Premier League and profits recently. It is a shite system and sadly, if we got Bill Gates to bankroll us, we would just become despised winners in a shite system.

Elsewhere on this site is a petition and I asked the person who posted it if other fans from their clubs had had it. That may be the only hope for the Premier League. A united voice of fans from many clubs.

But sadly....we all want to be a member of the Sky effin 4.
Andy Crooks
3   Posted 06/06/2009 at 01:28:13

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Mark Hill, you?re right; David Moyes has installed a fantastic spirit at Everton. That is what he excels at and it is the main area of improvement in his management style. I would like to ask , though, if we had £60 million to spend... would DM be the man to spend it and move us on?
Jamie Crowley
4   Posted 06/06/2009 at 04:34:03

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Peter, your passion is admirable. But the business realities are simple. If we sell, hope the realized liquidity will be reinvested in our on-field product.

It?s a business. Selling is part of it. If we can sell an asset and reinvest to the benefit of the Club, then we should. Don?t be naive.
We are at a pivitol stage. We have very good people in place to guide the Club forward. More money would be nice. But selling to raise funds and invest in "speculative futures" may occur.
It?s a business.
And I agree with Mark. We?ve created a culture inside the club based on work ethic and effort, which manifests itself in team spirit.

Who the hell couldn?t be more proud of that?

Alex Storm
5   Posted 06/06/2009 at 07:56:57

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How do we improve on 5th in the Premier League and an FA Cup final apperance? The season before we finished 5th, got to the semi-finals of the League Cup and had a good Uefa Cup run. Thats pretty much as good as it gets for sides outside of the "Big Four" as I see it about now.

Without major investment I don?t see how we can achieve much more than we have done. In fact we?re far more likely to finish anywhere between 6th and 10th in the next few seasons than to break into the Sky Four club.

I doubt any manager in the world is going to push us any further up the league table than Moyes. He?s done as good a job as possible in the last few years given what he?s had at his disposal.

The only improvement I could see would be a better standard of football as there is far to much tendency to launch the ball into the upper stratosphere for my liking. More football and less "Hoofball" please.

I would love to see us challenging for the title or being there or thereabouts but can anyone honestly see that happening without "Man City level molah money" more being splashed out on the squad?
Micky Norman
6   Posted 06/06/2009 at 09:49:51

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The increased money for the CL will make the situation worse for those like us who are fighting to be the best of the rest. I’m sure that what the big money people in the game would like is for the likes of us to just quietly go away and leave them to it. However, football is about local bragging rights, tradition and soul. The CL will never have this. So although some would like to see some gozillionaire take us over and propel us into the CL the reality is that the gap between us and them is as big as the gap between Premier league and Championship. Yo Yo teams like WBA have seen that its a mountain to climb and seem to be fairly content with their place in the sun, say one season in 3. I think that this is about the best that we could achieve with the CL- if that, and actually we’ve been pretty close to that recently even without the investment .Unless there is a massive meltdown somewhere or a change of rules, maybe regarding nationalities of players allowed ( can’t see it) things will stay the same for a very long time. The natural cycle of football where teams like us, Villa, Forest etc could produce a spell of 3 or 4 great years and win trophies have gone forever . So Champions League? Gozillionaire owners? For that reason, I’m out.
Blair Johnson
7   Posted 06/06/2009 at 10:19:07

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This season has proven Moyes to be a genius. He’s the League Managers Man of the Year AGAIN ... nuff said surely. Man City, Spurs, Newcastle and Villa should all have finished well ahead of us if resources were the be all and end all. Moyes and his squad prove that tenacity and heart are hugely important and that results can be fought for. I LOVE THE MAN as much as I LOVE THE CLUB. If we get A right back, a couple of new midfielders and a back up striker this summer I’ll be over the moon ... as long as we hold on to everyone except Van der Meyde!
Mark Stone
8   Posted 06/06/2009 at 18:59:32

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Alex Crooks.

In my opinion ... absolutely 100% YES!
Derek Thomas
9   Posted 07/06/2009 at 07:06:51

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The key bit for me and Ged IT ISN’T bollocks, is at the end...’ we don’t need to accept an FA Cup Final and 5th placeas success’...We used to be happy ( or some of us seemed to be ) with the mediocrity of NOT being relegated, but too many people seem to be happy with the NEARLY-OCRITY of a best of the rest 5th or 6th.

When you have truely seen teams and performances that live up to NSNO and know just what the School of Science and Class really mean, you will not accept the pale imitation, how ever good it seems at the time.

For those who can’t or won’t see past Tony Marsh’s OTT rhetoric, it boils down to this...can do better, should do better, MUST do better.

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