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£80M for Ronaldo???
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I know he's one of the best players in the world and has been impressive in the premiership in recent years. But ???
These latest transfers fees amongst the european elite are getting ridiculous, how the heck are we meant to compete against this?
I hope they break off and form their own league, then we can have at least a chance of winning the Premier League each year.
John Maxwell, Posted 11/06/2009 at 07:04:57
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Yes the fees are getting beyond belief and its about time that football’s governing bodies put a cap on transfer fees.
Whats the point in winning a league that the best clubs are not in?
John, isn?t there already a league where teams play in and win, and don?t have to compete with The Sky Four? Yes, The Championship it?s called. Of course when you win that league then you do play them, but if you knock one of said four off their Premier League perch then they get to play Ronaldo and Real Madrid in The Champions (still don?t know why no apostrophe) League.
I thought this was an Everton site.
I dont see how Man U losing Ronaldo harms our chances of competing with them. I cant think of many players they could replace him with that will be as good, and the £80 million isnt gonna do much on the pitch itself! They will end up with Valencia from Wigan and the rest will be chopped off the debt, and I know who id rather see going at Leighton Baines when Man U come to town next season.
Football clubs are businesses and they operate in a free market. Real Madrid will make a good chunk of that money back in shirt sales. When Beckham to Real Madrid went I remember they made all the transfer money back before the season began.
"...how the heck are we meant to compete against this?"
Isn’t that a bit like Somerfield looking at a Walmart acquisition and asking the very same question?
Its all about business and money (and it always has been).
"...how the heck are we meant to compete against this?"
Isn’t that a bit like Somerfield looking at a Walmart acquisition and asking the very same question?
Its all about business and money (and it always has been).
Patty, I don?t think any of us will be wondering who United will spend the Ronaldo money on!
He costs more then Kirkby
I think we can safely say that Man Utd won’t be sniffing around any of our players. We dont have any £20 million+ or up coming wonderkids that they will be interested in.
So we can turn the page and worry about who WE will be signing....
So we can turn the page and worry about who WE will be signing....
It’d be a shame if he does his knee in his first few games.... stupid money..
Chad, I done some research as I?m not great at English myself. The apostrophe is missing from Champions League for asthetic reasons. It looks better without the apostrophe when a word is in capitals.
Sorry for continuing the hijack but as it?s a Man U thread...
There is no apostrophe because it?s a league of Champions, not a league belonging to the Champion, just like the Carling cup is not Carling?s Cup as it?s not theirs.
There is no apostrophe because it?s a league of Champions, not a league belonging to the Champion, just like the Carling cup is not Carling?s Cup as it?s not theirs.
Anyone still think we got a good deal for Rooney??
I said at the time we took the fuckn cleaners!!!
I said at the time we took the fuckn cleaners!!!
Gary, surely it should be apastrophe after the s, as in the Champions? League? I can't believe I?ve typed that, who gives a damn?
As for Ronaldo, one less diving prick is good news for our boys, until we meet him in the Cha?mpion?s? Lea?gue? that is.
As for Ronaldo, one less diving prick is good news for our boys, until we meet him in the Cha?mpion?s? Lea?gue? that is.
"How do we compete against this"
We do the same as United. Scour the Markets and pick up the next "Ronaldo" Then you can either sell him on for a wedge and reinvest or sit back on one of the world's best players. It isn't rocket science...
We do the same as United. Scour the Markets and pick up the next "Ronaldo" Then you can either sell him on for a wedge and reinvest or sit back on one of the world's best players. It isn't rocket science...
Tom Campbell:
He costs more than Kirkby?
Not really. £78M they admitted to about a year ago (was gonna be ?effectively free? according to Humpty Dumpty Wyness 2 years ago) but with the Retail enabling development having been scaled down to sneak through the Back door of the Public Enquiry, that figure is going to go up significantly.
£100m absolute minimum I?d say. And that?s without factoring in what they thought they could sell Bellefield for (but can?t now get planning permission) or what they will struggle to get for naming rights in the current market.
That?s just the monetary cost to start with. In the long run it will cost us a lot more ? more than just money too.
Sad, but true.
He costs more than Kirkby?
Not really. £78M they admitted to about a year ago (was gonna be ?effectively free? according to Humpty Dumpty Wyness 2 years ago) but with the Retail enabling development having been scaled down to sneak through the Back door of the Public Enquiry, that figure is going to go up significantly.
£100m absolute minimum I?d say. And that?s without factoring in what they thought they could sell Bellefield for (but can?t now get planning permission) or what they will struggle to get for naming rights in the current market.
That?s just the monetary cost to start with. In the long run it will cost us a lot more ? more than just money too.
Sad, but true.
To be fair Simon they did pay over £12m for him. So even if we did scour the leagues for the next wonderkind, we would have to pull a massive bag of cash out of our arse to get him.
Can’t argue with the business (paid £12m, sell for £80m) but we can’t afford to play in that market. If Ronaldo had not worked out, a team like Man Utd would have been able to soak it up, we couldn’t.
Can someone tell me where Perez has found all this filthy lucre? £56m for Kaka, £80m for Ronaldo, apparently negotiations are at an advanced stage over David Villa, linked with Ribery and etc??? Has he won the Euromillions? Oh wait a minute... he’d still have to reach down the back of the sofa even if he had won the lotto. The world has gone crazy!
Anyway, good riddance to the ponce, I knew he was off after the CL final.
Can’t argue with the business (paid £12m, sell for £80m) but we can’t afford to play in that market. If Ronaldo had not worked out, a team like Man Utd would have been able to soak it up, we couldn’t.
Can someone tell me where Perez has found all this filthy lucre? £56m for Kaka, £80m for Ronaldo, apparently negotiations are at an advanced stage over David Villa, linked with Ribery and etc??? Has he won the Euromillions? Oh wait a minute... he’d still have to reach down the back of the sofa even if he had won the lotto. The world has gone crazy!
Anyway, good riddance to the ponce, I knew he was off after the CL final.
Gary
How can it be ’A league of Champions’ when most of the Clubs in it every year are not Champions!
As for Ronaldo, give me Wayne Rooney any day....a far better player in my opinion.
There, I’ve said it.
How can it be ’A league of Champions’ when most of the Clubs in it every year are not Champions!
As for Ronaldo, give me Wayne Rooney any day....a far better player in my opinion.
There, I’ve said it.
While this website seems to have given itself over to ex-Manure players, did anybody see Beckham last night?
Yes, I know he had acres of space most of the time and the opposition was shite but I have seen him do it against better opposition and with much less space. His passing was phenomenal all night.
Yes, I know he had acres of space most of the time and the opposition was shite but I have seen him do it against better opposition and with much less space. His passing was phenomenal all night.
I know he will be collecting his pension soon but he is a fit lad and he could do the job he did last night for another 2 or 3 years. He is reportedly hoping to move back to Europe and Milan must be the favourites but I wouldn?t be too dismayed if we could get him on a free. He could do a good job for us. When we resort to hoofball as we often do, at least he could do it with aplomb!
Dave, Rooney better than Ronaldo? I can?t stand either of them but frankly, you?re talking nonsense. As for Beckham, well, we hope to improve our squad this summer and do you really think that any of the sides who finished above us would touch him with a bargepole?
I?m still waiting for that little cunt Platini to start moaning about Real's "obscene spending".... Oh hang on, it?s a La Liga club, so that?s OK then.
Andy
Yeah, I do think Rooney is better than Ronaldo. He works harder, is just as skillful in his own way and he never goes missing as Ronaldo often does when things aren?t going his way. They are different players in many respects but where Rooney has the edge for me is that he is more adaptable, he can score goals from many more types of situations than Ronaldo can, he is prepared to defend when the need arises and while he may be a hothead at times he is not an embarrassing little whinger like Ronaldo who does very little off the ball while Rooney will always look to get into space and make himself available.
So, no, I don?t believe I am talking nonsense. If Everton had the choice of either player and the choice was mine I would choose Rooney every time. Ronaldo is a one trick pony who looks great when it?s coming off, but when it isn?t he looks like a tit and behaves like one. While neither of them played well in the CL final, at least Rooney tried on a bad night for his team. Ronaldo just gave up and threw his hands up constantly in the air in a gesture designed to show he couldn?t be bothered... probably thinking of Real Madrid by then.
I will not allow what he did to Everton to colour my judgement of a great player. And Rooney is a great player.
As for Beckham, just because he may not improve the top four ( in fact I do think he could improve Arsenal as they have lost the ability to switch play from side to side like they used to... Beckham could help them there) does not mean he couldn?t improve us. Sorry I don?t follow your logic there!
There are players I would rather have than Beckham, but we ain't going to get them... it?s horses for courses mate and our horses will never be the same colour as those of the top four... at least for the foreseeable future. Just imagine, instead of Jags or Yobo punting those aimless balls upfield, Beckham dropping back to pick the ball up so he can do it. Different class.
Hopefully we will one day have a midfield that will make our long ball punts redundant, but I don?t see that happening overnight and in the meantime Beckham could do a job for us on that score just as he has for Milan.
Yeah, I do think Rooney is better than Ronaldo. He works harder, is just as skillful in his own way and he never goes missing as Ronaldo often does when things aren?t going his way. They are different players in many respects but where Rooney has the edge for me is that he is more adaptable, he can score goals from many more types of situations than Ronaldo can, he is prepared to defend when the need arises and while he may be a hothead at times he is not an embarrassing little whinger like Ronaldo who does very little off the ball while Rooney will always look to get into space and make himself available.
So, no, I don?t believe I am talking nonsense. If Everton had the choice of either player and the choice was mine I would choose Rooney every time. Ronaldo is a one trick pony who looks great when it?s coming off, but when it isn?t he looks like a tit and behaves like one. While neither of them played well in the CL final, at least Rooney tried on a bad night for his team. Ronaldo just gave up and threw his hands up constantly in the air in a gesture designed to show he couldn?t be bothered... probably thinking of Real Madrid by then.
I will not allow what he did to Everton to colour my judgement of a great player. And Rooney is a great player.
As for Beckham, just because he may not improve the top four ( in fact I do think he could improve Arsenal as they have lost the ability to switch play from side to side like they used to... Beckham could help them there) does not mean he couldn?t improve us. Sorry I don?t follow your logic there!
There are players I would rather have than Beckham, but we ain't going to get them... it?s horses for courses mate and our horses will never be the same colour as those of the top four... at least for the foreseeable future. Just imagine, instead of Jags or Yobo punting those aimless balls upfield, Beckham dropping back to pick the ball up so he can do it. Different class.
Hopefully we will one day have a midfield that will make our long ball punts redundant, but I don?t see that happening overnight and in the meantime Beckham could do a job for us on that score just as he has for Milan.
Graham, I think Platini is a voice of sanity in a football world going financially out of control. But I totally agree with you ? it will be very interesting to see what, if anything, he has to say about this one.
One to watch out for will be the wise words emanating in future from English football journalists who used to portray him as a talented sinned-against little lad. Sorry Christiano ? from now on, you will be a 6ft 2in playground-bully sniveling cheating diving bloody foreigner. You didn?t used to be, of course.
One to watch out for will be the wise words emanating in future from English football journalists who used to portray him as a talented sinned-against little lad. Sorry Christiano ? from now on, you will be a 6ft 2in playground-bully sniveling cheating diving bloody foreigner. You didn?t used to be, of course.
I am laughing my arse off!
For Man Utd £80 million isn?t enough. There team is aging and the £80 Million has already been spent on replacements for Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Tevez and Neville.
So ?How can we compete with that?? Easy, follow Simon Kirwin's example and find the next big thing while he is both affordable and impressionable.
The next generation of world-class players are out there and we need to find one to either cash in on his performances or cash in on his name.
Spending money on the Stephen Hunt?s of this world (who is extremely ordinary at the peak of his career) is the reason why we remain an also-ran club.
How do we compete with Man Utd? A lot easier than last season. I will miss watching him play but without Ronaldo Manchester United aren?t so intimidating.
How many times has Ronaldo single-handedly won their games? Remember the 4-2 drubbing at Goodison Park? We had the match won until Ronaldo came on. He IS the best player on Earth and they just lost him.
Ronaldo has every physical gift a footballer can dream of. He wins penalty?s and free-kicks, his positioning is superb, for 90 minutes he runs like an Olympic sprinter and he drags defenders into exhaustion. No! Man Utd have weakened their team today and the fall-out will become apparent next season.
Arsenal signed Fabregas for under a million. Fuck Stephen Hunt? We need to take a risk on Delph.
For Man Utd £80 million isn?t enough. There team is aging and the £80 Million has already been spent on replacements for Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Tevez and Neville.
So ?How can we compete with that?? Easy, follow Simon Kirwin's example and find the next big thing while he is both affordable and impressionable.
The next generation of world-class players are out there and we need to find one to either cash in on his performances or cash in on his name.
Spending money on the Stephen Hunt?s of this world (who is extremely ordinary at the peak of his career) is the reason why we remain an also-ran club.
How do we compete with Man Utd? A lot easier than last season. I will miss watching him play but without Ronaldo Manchester United aren?t so intimidating.
How many times has Ronaldo single-handedly won their games? Remember the 4-2 drubbing at Goodison Park? We had the match won until Ronaldo came on. He IS the best player on Earth and they just lost him.
Ronaldo has every physical gift a footballer can dream of. He wins penalty?s and free-kicks, his positioning is superb, for 90 minutes he runs like an Olympic sprinter and he drags defenders into exhaustion. No! Man Utd have weakened their team today and the fall-out will become apparent next season.
Arsenal signed Fabregas for under a million. Fuck Stephen Hunt? We need to take a risk on Delph.
Jesus... Drinking Red Bull really does give you wings... I need to calm down.
Jeremy ? can?t see Utd going for one of ours? Rodwell.
I?d say Sheffield Wednesday are really shitting themselves now in case United offer the full £80 million for Anichebe...
Dave, Rooney can score goals from many more types of situations than Ronaldo can?? Are you for real? Ronaldo scores from everywhere! Oh and Beckham for us? ? won?t happen in a million years.
The worst part of all of this is it enhances Liverpool's chance of winning the league next season ? Ronaldo will take some replacing and in any case, the likes of City will offer double the wages United will for some players they will be after, so clicking their fingers and getting a replacement (I imagine they?ll go for both Ribery and Benzema) isn't that simple.
The south American Countries are full of unearthed Gems and rough diamonds. Not Just argentina or Brazil but countries like Peru and Ecudor are vastly underrated because of there close counterparts.
Pick up 1 or 2 antonio valencias and you make £25million there. I would be scouring them countries if i was Moyes
Pick up 1 or 2 antonio valencias and you make £25million there. I would be scouring them countries if i was Moyes
What annoys me about the transfers is that the money (a lot of it) is being generated through foreign wealth, crooked politicians, Governments, high bank loans etc etc. How the hell can a well run club compete?
Winning the leagues or cups now if you?re in the big 4 or Europe's so-called elite, means nothing to me. All these teams are built from finance they either don't have or from outside of football. The rich elite's trainset. I get far more satisfaction from the way OUR club does things and hope we continue on this path.
How can anyone say Rooney is better than Ronaldo? What a load of utter shite.
Rooney is supposed to be a goalscorer yet Ronaldo has scored significantly more goals than him year after year. He poses a much bigger goalscoring threat. He?s the best in the world in at free-kicks and scores more headers than Rooney.
I haven?t even mentioned the awards he?s won. What has Rooney won?
To call Ronaldo a "one-trick pony" is simply ignorant. Regardless of what Rooney did to Everton, he?s not in the same league os Ronaldo.
Rooney is supposed to be a goalscorer yet Ronaldo has scored significantly more goals than him year after year. He poses a much bigger goalscoring threat. He?s the best in the world in at free-kicks and scores more headers than Rooney.
I haven?t even mentioned the awards he?s won. What has Rooney won?
To call Ronaldo a "one-trick pony" is simply ignorant. Regardless of what Rooney did to Everton, he?s not in the same league os Ronaldo.
Sorry to change the subject, but has anyone noticed that, when ordering a home shirt from the new EvertonDirect store, that the Barclays Premier League badges are now £78.29!!! Must be a typo. Must be gold plated or something!
http://evertondirect.evertonfc.com/stores/everton/products/kit_selector.aspx?pid=57883
http://evertondirect.evertonfc.com/stores/everton/products/kit_selector.aspx?pid=57883
Phillip Bunting, how the hell can a well run club compete?????
Check out a club called FC Barcelona...
Check out a club called FC Barcelona...
Brian - Rooney is better than Ronaldo, there I?ve said it too. As for what he has won, er, in his first 2 seasons at Old Trafford, Rooney won the Young Player of the Season award back to back, pipping Ronaldo on both occasions.
It?s all about opinions, but for what it?s worth, I would also take Rooney over Ronaldo.
Brian Law - "He?s [Ronaldo] the best in the world at freekicks" ? I disagree. There is a world outside the Premier League where there are many better exponants of the art than Ronaldo IMO. You are correct in saying that calling Ronaldo "a one-trick pony" is ignorant, but you are just as ignorant with your statement "what has Rooney won?" and also the fact that you dismiss a differing opinion to yours as "utter shite".
Brian Law - "He?s [Ronaldo] the best in the world at freekicks" ? I disagree. There is a world outside the Premier League where there are many better exponants of the art than Ronaldo IMO. You are correct in saying that calling Ronaldo "a one-trick pony" is ignorant, but you are just as ignorant with your statement "what has Rooney won?" and also the fact that you dismiss a differing opinion to yours as "utter shite".
Like him or not, I believe that Ronaldo, as far as ability goes, is the most complete footballer around. Rooney is a fine player but he certainly went missing in the Champions League final. Petulance is not commitment.
Anto Meehan... Please take comments as a generalisation. There's always an exception, hope we're the next. The odds against Everton with our local (let's be honest) fanbase is not on the scale of Barca (as much as I hate to say it). So to use Barca as a basis of your argument is piss.
Anto / Philip, it is possible, look who won the the Bundesliga this year, pipping Bayern Munich. Also look who finished 7th in that league, ahead of the likes of Werder Bremen, Bayer Leverkusen, Schalke and Borrusia....
Oh, Joe Barnes.
The old free market excuse. Why everyone uses the political word, free, next to markets? They subconsciously cite the theory of an 18th century economist, who mistakenly believed people are rational. All his theory on economics assumed ?economic rationalism?. If that assumption is wrong, the whole edifice on "free markets" is destroyed. He was wrong, and especially so with football.
Do we react rationally and become Man U fans when they win the League every year? Do Leeds fans refuse to turn up when their team are so crap that they fall two divisions from the Premier League - to which a club their size should belong? if our own team are crap, do we refuse to turn up until prices fall to a level that befits the product on offer?
The answer my friend is mostly no to all three. Why?
Because football is not a bloody business as some glibly insist; it depends much more on emotions not rationalism. And treating it like a normal business in a "free market" distorts its essential essence. That distortion is why we get boring domination by select clubs.
The 18th century economic philosopher said that markets "self-correct", ensuring healthy competition and no oligoploies. History says he was talking utter rot - and massively so football.
After what?s happened to the market economy the last couple of years, it?s about time people stopped spouting this rubbish.
But will Uefa act - power of the elite will block it. Get used to it unless we do something about it, same top 4 every year unless billionaires come to other clubs. Call that healthy competition?
The old free market excuse. Why everyone uses the political word, free, next to markets? They subconsciously cite the theory of an 18th century economist, who mistakenly believed people are rational. All his theory on economics assumed ?economic rationalism?. If that assumption is wrong, the whole edifice on "free markets" is destroyed. He was wrong, and especially so with football.
Do we react rationally and become Man U fans when they win the League every year? Do Leeds fans refuse to turn up when their team are so crap that they fall two divisions from the Premier League - to which a club their size should belong? if our own team are crap, do we refuse to turn up until prices fall to a level that befits the product on offer?
The answer my friend is mostly no to all three. Why?
Because football is not a bloody business as some glibly insist; it depends much more on emotions not rationalism. And treating it like a normal business in a "free market" distorts its essential essence. That distortion is why we get boring domination by select clubs.
The 18th century economic philosopher said that markets "self-correct", ensuring healthy competition and no oligoploies. History says he was talking utter rot - and massively so football.
After what?s happened to the market economy the last couple of years, it?s about time people stopped spouting this rubbish.
But will Uefa act - power of the elite will block it. Get used to it unless we do something about it, same top 4 every year unless billionaires come to other clubs. Call that healthy competition?
Joeynkoo Ludden - He won young player of the year award 4 years ago. Big deal. Rooney has won no personal accolades in the last 3 years, he has does not even get close to Ronaldo who has won:
PFA Players? Player of the Year: 2006?07, 2007?08
PFA Fans? Player of the Year: 2006?07, 2007?08
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2005?06, 2006?07, 2007?08, 2008?09
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2006?07, 2007?08
Barclays Player of the Season: 2006?07, 2007?08
Barclays Player of the Month: November 2006, December 2006, January 2008, March 2008
Barclays Golden Boot: 2007?08
Barclays Merit Award: 2007?08
European Golden Shoe: 2007?08
UEFA Club Forward of the Year: 2007?08
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2007?08
FIFPro World Player of the Year: 2007?08
Ballon d?Or: 2008
FIFA World Player of the Year: 2008
FIFA Team of the Year: 2008
Neil McKinney ? we?ll agree to disagree about Ronaldos free kicks but he is certainly one of the best in the World ? you can?t deny that. But forget that because my point is that he?s better than Rooney. Rooney can?t take free kicks like him thats for sure. You may take Rooney ahead of Ronaldo but according to all of the panels of Uefa, Fifa, Premier League etc. Ronaldo is a better player.
PFA Players? Player of the Year: 2006?07, 2007?08
PFA Fans? Player of the Year: 2006?07, 2007?08
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2005?06, 2006?07, 2007?08, 2008?09
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2006?07, 2007?08
Barclays Player of the Season: 2006?07, 2007?08
Barclays Player of the Month: November 2006, December 2006, January 2008, March 2008
Barclays Golden Boot: 2007?08
Barclays Merit Award: 2007?08
European Golden Shoe: 2007?08
UEFA Club Forward of the Year: 2007?08
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2007?08
FIFPro World Player of the Year: 2007?08
Ballon d?Or: 2008
FIFA World Player of the Year: 2008
FIFA Team of the Year: 2008
Neil McKinney ? we?ll agree to disagree about Ronaldos free kicks but he is certainly one of the best in the World ? you can?t deny that. But forget that because my point is that he?s better than Rooney. Rooney can?t take free kicks like him thats for sure. You may take Rooney ahead of Ronaldo but according to all of the panels of Uefa, Fifa, Premier League etc. Ronaldo is a better player.
Brian - and Giggs won player of the season this year... wasn?t Ronaldo playing / scoring more often than him? Maybe these awards don?t reflect reality... and to be honest, I simply answered your inital question, which was "what has Rooney won?". To which I answered.
Ronaldo is a fantastic player, so is Rooney. I just think Rooney is the better all round more destructive player. I think Ronaldo will get found out in Spain against, let's face it, better defenses.
Ronaldo is a fantastic player, so is Rooney. I just think Rooney is the better all round more destructive player. I think Ronaldo will get found out in Spain against, let's face it, better defenses.
Let me address this.
If Mr Ronaldo is worth say, £80 million then what valuation for a William Dean of say, 1928?
Or perhaps a Alan Ball of ?67, or a Southall of 1985?
Those are just some examples.
Proof that the stranglehold of greed and money is as tight as ever on the game and is slowly asphyxiating football as we know it by each passing year.
£80 million for a player. I wonder what Trevor Francis would of made of that 30 years ago.
If Mr Ronaldo is worth say, £80 million then what valuation for a William Dean of say, 1928?
Or perhaps a Alan Ball of ?67, or a Southall of 1985?
Those are just some examples.
Proof that the stranglehold of greed and money is as tight as ever on the game and is slowly asphyxiating football as we know it by each passing year.
£80 million for a player. I wonder what Trevor Francis would of made of that 30 years ago.
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