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£1m for Anderson da Silva
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Barnsley have slapped a £1m price tag on midfielder Anderson da Silva. How much did we let him go for? Does anyone know how well he's been playing and how he's developed as a player?
I am assuming from the headline the announcement is in response to interest from bigger clubs than Barnsley? ? Does that mean we were too hasty in letting him go?
Must admit I never saw much of him at Everton and have seen even less of him since he left.
Matt Bone, Posted 15/06/2009 at 06:32:22
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Don?t worry, if he?s any good we?ll buy him back like we did with Baines and Jagielka!
So Barnsley have slapped a £1 miilion price tag on a player under a long term contract. It hardly makes him a decent player.
I happend to be at Sheff Wed v Barnsley last year and he was truly awful. Many misplaced passes and ran round aimlessly.
The lad isn?t young either. 27 or 28 he is.
He will never make it beyond the level he?s at.
It's Bristol City who are after him.
I would like to think that anyone we are either reportedly interested in, want to keep, or indeed we may regret letting go, had far more than a £1m price tag slapped on them!!
Sorry, but just to comment Dave Roberts dig about Jagielka and Baines ? I have read many similar comments in the past, so it isn?t just aimed at him. How do we know they would have developed into the players they are now if we hadn?t sold them? Perhaps as youngsters they were coasting and needed the kick up the backside. Or may be at the time they needed first team football, but their ability of the time couldn?t be given time in the Everton first team. Etc etc.
Rant over, so I?m heading back in my hidey hole.
Rant over, so I?m heading back in my hidey hole.
Matt, have a look at your title and then put it into context with the views of a lot of posters here. They consider around about £2m to be fairish for Anichebe, so then consider a player that is possibly considered half as good as him... do you want him in your team fighting for fourth? Consider that and you will then receive the answer to your query on whether we let him go too hastily.
There are lots of players who look good / great in the lower leagues but will never make it at the top. I?m sure that Big Vic will shine when he eventually goes to a Championship club; sadly, I think the same of young Mr Vaughan.
On the flip side there are some good players in the lower tiers, Delph, St Ledger... these are the ones we MUST take a look at as we can?t afford the finished article.
Thinking about it: can anyone help with names of players who have come up with promoted teams and become good Prem players? AJ is one but I?m struggling to think of any others...
Arsenal would love to have Upson back. It’s amazing what first team football can do for a player.
Tony Williams et al. I am not saying a £1m player such as Da Silva would be good enough for Everton but if we let him go for 50p and a couple of gobstoppers and a couple of years on he gets sold for £1m then it's not such good business. Had we sold him for £1m then we?d only need to get £9m for Anichebe and £8m for Hibbert and we could go fro Moutinho.
Mike Reynolds
Surely the point is, that if the staff in the Youth setup are the ’experts’ they are getting paid to be, they would have a bloody good idea of how a player was going to develop. Asking how they are expected to know is plainly ridiculous!
And if players are developing well enough but need first team/competitive experience then you put them out on loan (as we did in the first instance with Da Silva) not give them away for nowt!
My comment was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek because actually I don’t rate Da Silva at all. But there must be something wrong when two of our defenders cost the Club £11million to buy when they had been let go by the Club as kids!
Surely the point is, that if the staff in the Youth setup are the ’experts’ they are getting paid to be, they would have a bloody good idea of how a player was going to develop. Asking how they are expected to know is plainly ridiculous!
And if players are developing well enough but need first team/competitive experience then you put them out on loan (as we did in the first instance with Da Silva) not give them away for nowt!
My comment was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek because actually I don’t rate Da Silva at all. But there must be something wrong when two of our defenders cost the Club £11million to buy when they had been let go by the Club as kids!
Always looked the part when he didn't have the ball, when he did he fell over. This guy wasnt one to keep, he was the Brett Angell of the midfield and we paid £800k for Angell, three years later he was stacking the shelves at Tesco. Imagine Anderson will be doing the same at Los Tescos in Brazil very soon.
Actually because the news at the moment is very slow or about Ronaldo. I dont think Angell was the worst, Mick Ferguson, Alan Biley, Stuart Barlow, Mickey Walsh, Bernie Wright, Glen Keeley, Paul Holmes, George Telfer, all these guys would be better off stacking shelves too ? can anyone think of any others?
Peter Bradshaw
Just when I?d managed to forget... why can?t you leave all those names to the history books, why do you have to remind us? I can see the nightmares starting all over again... anyway, didn?t Da Silva have a cruciate operation last year?
Just when I?d managed to forget... why can?t you leave all those names to the history books, why do you have to remind us? I can see the nightmares starting all over again... anyway, didn?t Da Silva have a cruciate operation last year?
Dave Roberts and Mike Reynolds.
Jagielka, Joey Barton and (I think) Leighton Baines were all part of an entire age group that were let go as a cost cutting exercise in the late 90s. They weren?t singled out as being unable to make it. With a few notable exceptions, it is virtually impossible to tell if a player will make the grade at the age of 14, even if they show promise, and it is typical Everton that the year they decide to make swingeing cuts to save money was the year that produced 3 Premier League footballers. (We had a lucky escape with Barton though!)
Jagielka, Joey Barton and (I think) Leighton Baines were all part of an entire age group that were let go as a cost cutting exercise in the late 90s. They weren?t singled out as being unable to make it. With a few notable exceptions, it is virtually impossible to tell if a player will make the grade at the age of 14, even if they show promise, and it is typical Everton that the year they decide to make swingeing cuts to save money was the year that produced 3 Premier League footballers. (We had a lucky escape with Barton though!)
Sean, spot on. There?s a big difference between not spotting/keeping players at 14/15 (who we can't even have under contract) and incorrectly letting players go at 19/20.
Over the past few years, there were a few that I thought might be mistakes (Clarke, Hughes, McLeod, Chadwick) but their subsequent careers have proved the decision right and only player that we have let go at 19/20 that looks like they might become a top division player is Daniel Fox ? and that was probably helped by him dropping down and getting regular football. Even in that case, would we now want him rather than Baines? The decision-making looks pretty good to me.
Over the past few years, there were a few that I thought might be mistakes (Clarke, Hughes, McLeod, Chadwick) but their subsequent careers have proved the decision right and only player that we have let go at 19/20 that looks like they might become a top division player is Daniel Fox ? and that was probably helped by him dropping down and getting regular football. Even in that case, would we now want him rather than Baines? The decision-making looks pretty good to me.
I didn?t know about the cost cutting measure, so cheers for the information ? always interesting to know this stuff.
My point was simply we have utterly no idea how Jagielka and Baines would have turned out had they stayed at Everton. They both went to "lesser" (in my opinion) clubs and were then afforded more game time (as compared to what they may have got at Everton), which was probably a key to their development. Perhaps Barton?s anger problems stem from the emotion turmoil he suffered when we let him go? ;p
At least we aren?t buying back players for larger fees than we sold them for the previous year. I?m looking at Spurs (Defoe) and Chelsea (the possibility of resigning Glen Johnson).
My point was simply we have utterly no idea how Jagielka and Baines would have turned out had they stayed at Everton. They both went to "lesser" (in my opinion) clubs and were then afforded more game time (as compared to what they may have got at Everton), which was probably a key to their development. Perhaps Barton?s anger problems stem from the emotion turmoil he suffered when we let him go? ;p
At least we aren?t buying back players for larger fees than we sold them for the previous year. I?m looking at Spurs (Defoe) and Chelsea (the possibility of resigning Glen Johnson).
Sean Allinson
If you are right then what is the point of having an Academy or youth setup at all? What is the point of working with any kids before the age of 14?
I am well aware that some kids develop very early and quickly in all walks of life including football and then come to a point where they freeze and go no further. But it is the job of coaches to weigh all that up and make an appropriate assessment of a kid?s potential. They will never always be right but to suggest it is virtually impossible to tell if a player will make the grade at the age of 14 kinda makes the whole Academy system redundant and superfluous for me. Apart from giving a few kids a game now and again.
Then you mention ?notable exceptions?. I was hearing rumours about a 10-year-old called Rooney who was going to be a worldbeater. Whoever made that assessment has to make a similar assessment about all 10-14 year olds and not just assume that (outside of notable exceptions) it is impossible to know how a player will develop!
Some coaches can do this, just as they did in Northern Ireland when they were trying to tell the world from the rooftops how good Best was. Even his schoolteacher knew when he was 7! If he (the schoolteacher) can do it then surely the coaches employed at Everton should be able to do so. I appreciate it may be harder with the less exceptional players but it is a job that still has to be done.
How many more Bests and Rooneys are there out there, working in MacDonalds, who were let go by clubs because of coaches? shortcomings? Alan Ball nearly gave up trying to be a footballer because he couldn?t get anybody to take an interest in him. What a loss that would have been. He was man of the match in the 1966 World Cup Final and ?coaches? had thought for years that he wasn?t good enough.
Strewth!
If you are right then what is the point of having an Academy or youth setup at all? What is the point of working with any kids before the age of 14?
I am well aware that some kids develop very early and quickly in all walks of life including football and then come to a point where they freeze and go no further. But it is the job of coaches to weigh all that up and make an appropriate assessment of a kid?s potential. They will never always be right but to suggest it is virtually impossible to tell if a player will make the grade at the age of 14 kinda makes the whole Academy system redundant and superfluous for me. Apart from giving a few kids a game now and again.
Then you mention ?notable exceptions?. I was hearing rumours about a 10-year-old called Rooney who was going to be a worldbeater. Whoever made that assessment has to make a similar assessment about all 10-14 year olds and not just assume that (outside of notable exceptions) it is impossible to know how a player will develop!
Some coaches can do this, just as they did in Northern Ireland when they were trying to tell the world from the rooftops how good Best was. Even his schoolteacher knew when he was 7! If he (the schoolteacher) can do it then surely the coaches employed at Everton should be able to do so. I appreciate it may be harder with the less exceptional players but it is a job that still has to be done.
How many more Bests and Rooneys are there out there, working in MacDonalds, who were let go by clubs because of coaches? shortcomings? Alan Ball nearly gave up trying to be a footballer because he couldn?t get anybody to take an interest in him. What a loss that would have been. He was man of the match in the 1966 World Cup Final and ?coaches? had thought for years that he wasn?t good enough.
Strewth!
If a £1M price tag on a player means he is any good, then just think that a solid dependable right back with plenty of Premier League experience would cost at least £2M.
£2M would get you Tony Hibbert and we all know how good he is...
£2M would get you Tony Hibbert and we all know how good he is...
Dave, the point with working with kids at 14 is to decide whether to keep them until 15 and so on year by year.
I think the point Sean is making is that at the end of each season when you make the decision to cut certain people it is harder (apart from the very rare exceptional players) to know at 14 than at a later age as there are so many variables (physical development, attitude, injury etc).
You still have to make decisions based on the information you have ? but law of averages (because of the higher number of younger players you work with) is that you will get the odd one wrong
If that's not the point he was making, it should have been :)
I think the point Sean is making is that at the end of each season when you make the decision to cut certain people it is harder (apart from the very rare exceptional players) to know at 14 than at a later age as there are so many variables (physical development, attitude, injury etc).
You still have to make decisions based on the information you have ? but law of averages (because of the higher number of younger players you work with) is that you will get the odd one wrong
If that's not the point he was making, it should have been :)
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I think he had a serious injury last season... but before that was playing out of his skin.