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OK, so you?re David Moyes and right now you are sitting on a beach thinking to yourself that the £15M your generous chairman has given you won?t even buy Christiano Ronaldo?s right leg. You have a squad that is fundamentally sound ? very short on depth and lacking class down the right.

You don?t want a repetition of last year when dithering in the transfer market led to an awful start and ultimately cost you 4th place. If you are going to do well in the Europa League, FA Cup and Carling Cup next year, your squad may have to play upwards of 60 games, so you need quantity and quality.

You really don?t want to have to resort to ?free? aging injury prone has-beens who have resorted to advertising themselves with glossy brochures preferring to try and find quality young players who you can blend into the squad. Do you sell? If so who?

So you write the following plan in the sand, you know it won?t please everyone and not all of it might be possible but it?s plan A!

Buy Joe Ledley from Cardiff
Left Wing Back Age 21 Cost: Big Vic + £1.5m

Buy Kevin Nolan from the Bar Codes
Centre Mid Age 26: Cost £3m

Buy Kyle Naughton from Sheff Utd.
Right Wing Back Age 20: Cost £4m

Buy Sebastien Bassong from the Bar Codes
Centre Back Age 22: Cost £5m

Buy Jo from Man City
Forward Age 22; Swap for Joleon Lescott + £1.5m

Buy Micah Richards from Man City Age 27
Right Back / Centre Back Age 22

6 players in, 2 out, all aspects covered ? ?phone chairman ? relax and soak up some rays.


Steve Ashton, Bedfordshire     Posted 15/06/2009 at 11:32:57

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Lyndon Lloyd
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1   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:30:07

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You were doing OK until you mentioned Kevin Nolan, Steve. He definitely does not fit the bill in terms of quality. £3m ? you get what you pay for!

Our top priority, which isn?t covered in your list, is a top quality central or right midfielder to play alongside Mikel Arteta ? your Moutinho-type, if you will ? followed swiftly by a defensive midfielder.

We are crying out for someone to replace Osman and someone better than Phil Neville to play in front of the back four. Those two slots, plus right back, should be at the head of Moyes?s list, in my opinion.
John Meredith
2   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:37:59

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Summer spending as follows -

Ledley £3m
M?bia £7m
Moutinho £10m
Owen free
Jacobsen free
Graham Brandwood
3   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:36:30

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I am concerned that people are actually talking about Lescott leaving. We lose Lescott and others will follow. Our centre back situation should be Lescott and Jags or Yobo. He is naturally left footed the others right sided, and are not happy there. Remember the first half against City. Once we lose a player we want to keep then other money bags clubs will come in for Artetta, Jags etc. Show no weakness!!!
Fergal O'Regan
4   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:33:29

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Arda Turan £7.5 million; Get Jo on loan for another season; Sell Big Vic for £4.5M and put out the £12 million for Moutinho
Keep Jacobsen and maybe another loanee in the Castillo mould... simple as, two quailty players that would walk on to any team.
Ian McDowell
5   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:46:47

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I would be more inclined to think Moutinho £15 million and that's it.
David Denby
6   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:45:38

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Going ok until the Jo-for-Lescott swap. We need him to stay if we are going to continue improving and clearly Jags won?t be fit for the start of the season.

John, I?m with you, M?bia and Mountinho for me along with Ledley. As Ledley would predominantly be on the left I would be tempted to play him with Peanuts and swap them mid game to opposite flanks. I?m sure it?s been mentioned before but I?m suprised there hasn?t been talk on Obinna(?) a bit more. Considering how close we came last year. Any know if we just had a lucky escape or are going to make a move?

Russ Shoult
7   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:50:24

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Let Lescott leave but take Richards, Johnson and Sturridge to Goodison. Sorts out the RB slot and plenty more strength in depth. Get shot of Anichebe and use the entire budget on a truly world class RM that teams genuinely worry about facing.
Mark Pierpoint
8   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:46:11

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What never fails to amaze me is how black and white some people percieve transfer dealings to be.

1) The only way Anichebe is going out of this club for a fee is to Hull. Cardiff would take the money from somebody else for Ledley and get a player of equal talent on loan from one of our rivals. They won't do us a favour by saying "you don't have much to play with, throw in that Anichebe"!

Secondly, I also doubt how keen Anichebe would be on a move permanently to the Championship.

2) Nolan is a distinctly average player on £40,000 a year. Unless someone will match that a week, he will go nowhere. I would frankly prefer to keep Neville there and gradually introduce Rodwell into the role than have him.

3) Naughton, probably a good buy but there will be several clubs after him, teams who will outbid us. You can't assume you will pick up players like that for £4 million.

4) Jo for £1.5m and Lescott!!!! Absolute madness. Jo looked ok, and could develop into a very good player but you are valuing him in my opinion at what city paid for him. I would be gutted at any deal that involved losing Lescott unless it was for upwards of £16m cash. If Moyes wants him, he will be available for loan.

5) Bassong. Well, if Lescott is staying, £5m for a 4th choice CB is a bit hot for us. Good player though. Again, if he left, the number of clubs interested would surely make him out of our price range.

6) Richards, at the right money, I like. He is one player who would tempt me if City really want Lescott. On a straight cash deal, though, there would surely be a price tag of over £7m?

Joeynkoo Ludden
9   Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:58:14

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Why do we need a left back? Why you want to effectively swap Lescott for Bassong? What price Richards, you didn?t declare? Jo, are you kidding? Strange strange thread.

What we do need is a reliable striker (RVN or Owen could do a job), an entire right side (Jac should be given more of a chance, but right wing is urgently required) and a combative midfielder ? what I wouldn?t do to have Gattuso on a free! Semi-final heroics aside, a young decent keeper wouldn?t hurt either.
Brett Bradshaw
10   Posted 15/06/2009 at 20:01:52

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Take Jo on loan again and buy someone with another afro!
Mark Pierpoint
11   Posted 15/06/2009 at 20:04:10

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To add to my post, I agree with Graham in principle, I find it worrying this talk of letting Lescott leave. Every player has a price and' unless it is an offer that can't be refused, ie, getting towards the £20m mark, we would be crazy to consider it.
Darren Robinson-Cooke
12   Posted 15/06/2009 at 20:07:20

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The players I would like to see at GP would be young promising players like Delph who are your typical Moyes signings from the Championship, and would bring a bit of pace and more of an attacking threat to the side. Along with everyone else, I would absolutely love Moutinho or a hard tackling midfield general with goals in them but again this depends on the budget we have.

I think this is going to be our most important summer yet where we truly have to add numbers and class to the side to compete and try and break into the top four, but we have our work cut out with the the likes of City, Villa, Spurs and Pompey all with money to burn who can outbid us and offer better wages to players out there, so Moyes needs backing more than ever and has to be shrewder and quicker in snapping up the players he wants who he knows we can get on our budget (whatever it may be ? please God let it be decent), strengthening the key areas of the midfield and on the right.

We need pace, power, skill and goals to push us on... please, Moyes, get it right and we can take the next step and get the club back into the top 4 where we belong.... In Moyes We trust! COYB!!!!

Dara Vaughan
13   Posted 15/06/2009 at 20:23:17

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I can´t take the Lescott thing anymore... lets please not add to smoke to that one... For me it's simple really, let's get upgrades on Osman and Hibbert... job done.

Jo didn't overly please either to be honest, not worth dangling Lescott for him or Richards.

Paul O'Hanlon
14   Posted 15/06/2009 at 20:18:33

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And if we sold Yakubu and Arteta along with Lescott we could afford to by all the shite from the Championship. Get a grip ffs!

Moyes has spent 7 years clearing out the deadwood and replacing it with quality like Lescott. If he wants to bring in players like Ledley and Naughton, he?ll do it with funds available or stick with what he?s got. And as for signing barcodes...
Dara Vaughan
15   Posted 15/06/2009 at 20:29:03

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Off subject I know, but the girlfriend has just thrown a Mikel Arteta expecting baby with the wife article in one of those abject Spanish version gossip mags (rags). Apparently he is quite happy (wife too) to bring his to-be-newborn up in Liverpool ? at least until school going age. Did have a go at the weather but all good apart from that... Happier now!
John Harris
16   Posted 15/06/2009 at 20:36:34

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Dara ? yeah indeed. The mag also also says that Crockie Park will be ideal ? one of those nice houses with MDF windows and corrugated doors. Her only stipulation was that there should be a good Offy nearby, preferably a Bargain Booze that does a good deal on San Miguel, Sangria and retuned bottles.
Gareth Hughes
17   Posted 15/06/2009 at 20:38:34

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Forget selling Lescott. If we have to sell someone to raise spending money let's cash in on Fellaini. There might still be clubs out there who are as fooled by this lad's capabilities as some of our fans. If we could get our money back then we could buy a PROPER midfielder. Y?know the type? Someone with pace, character, aggression, basicaly everything Fellaini isn?t. Honestly, let's quietly admit we made a mistake, flog him and move on (and get Timbo back in his proper position as well!).
Dennis Stevens
18   Posted 15/06/2009 at 21:29:30

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If Moyes does as suggested in the original post, he deserves shooting!
Richard Murray
19   Posted 15/06/2009 at 21:31:50

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Possibly the worst article I’ve read on TW. Madness.

I did laugh quite a lot at Paul O’Hanlon’s opening gambit, though; pretty much summed it up.
Jay Harris
20   Posted 15/06/2009 at 22:00:28

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Steve
you?re obviously sitting on a beach but as for the rest??

I do agree with Kyle Naughton but there are 2 main points I would make if I was Moyes.

1. NO PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT IS LEAVING.

2. I need a good goal keeper to challenge Tim Howard.

I am amazed that few people have mentioned the risk we run at GK level with Howard the only decent keeper on the books.

Hope for Delph, M?Bia and Matuidi but "watch this space" until BK finds the club wallet which got lost last year.
Sam Higgins
21   Posted 15/06/2009 at 22:12:40

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Everyone keeps going on about Jaou Moutinho... what on earth are the chances of us getting him, let alone affording him ? is it realistic or just blind hope? 'Cause, as far as I'm aware, we aren't even linked to him!!!

(Don't get me wrong, if we got him, I'd be over the moon!)
Vasco Teixeira
22   Posted 15/06/2009 at 23:10:37

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Hi There
Forget Moutinho because he’s going to Real Madrid. They already made an offer for him.
To bad I won’t have fellow Portuguese in the Royal Blue Shirt now that Nuno is gone.
Steve Ashton
23   Posted 15/06/2009 at 23:07:51

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I did have Jo and Richards bracketed together in exchange for Lescott +£1.5m but it got mis-edited,
Mark Pierpoint
24   Posted 15/06/2009 at 23:18:36

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It is still a bit of a shit deal though, Steve. I applaud Jo for the contribution he made but I certainly don't see what some people did in him.

I do believe Moyes would get the best out of Richards eventually, but let's not pimp out our best players, I am sure there are plenty of agents around to do that for us.

John Charles
25   Posted 15/06/2009 at 23:21:36

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Christ! I actually agree with Lyndon!!

Plus if you buy a better defensive midfielder that solves the right back problem as Neville does well from there getting forwards... Okay, we?d like a right footed Baines, but budget an all that could be the best way to kill two birds with one stone/£7m.

Not sure about Lescott for Jo, I like Jo, but he does well against worse teams, we need guys to take it to the to 4. I?d sooner we bought one big player and covered the rest with frees. Moutinho would make a huge difference if he's as good as everyone says... he's a player who will put fear into the opposition and also improve the players around him ? you watch Arteta and Pienaar get even better with a player on there wavelength and beyond flitting around them.

Moutinho or something similar for me.
Dave Johnson
26   Posted 16/06/2009 at 01:07:11

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Hate to be a killjoy but we will have about £3 or 4 million max, unless Bill goes down with the swine flu and goes all delirious on us. Last year, we had £0 after selling AJ and McFadden. But hey I?m starting to sound like a glass-half-empty sort of guy. We SMASHED our record AGAIN. Ha ha!!!
Russell Buckley
27   Posted 16/06/2009 at 01:31:08

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Quilty right winger who can help Pienaar and Arteta create. A solid midfielder who can primarily work as a defensive partner to Arteta. Those are my to big priorities.

I?d keep Jacobsen as he won?t be that expensive. If we do, we have 3 players who can fill the right back position. Sure it won?t be our strength but I think over the course of the season it will hold up.

I still think we need a reliable striker around the age of 24. This could be a loan signing.

Doubt we have that kind of money but all you can do is hope at this point.
Gary Tan
28   Posted 16/06/2009 at 01:35:12

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Let's face it, we can?t take care of all our problems in a year.

Blow all£15M on RM and RB. Sign Owen on a free or Jo on loan. Two loan players to cover for LB and DM.

Paid transfers to be completed by mid-July, all loan players in on transfer deadline.
Gavin Ramejkis
29   Posted 16/06/2009 at 01:51:05

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Don?t touch any skunks players with a barge pole as they were rotten to the core and deservedly relegated as a piss poor team. Kevin Nolan is also a rabid RS and has never hidden that fact.

If any relegated players, then Tuncay from Boro, agree with Naughton as he could well develop into a decent player. Joe Ledley wouldn?t give us anything new, only a younger version of what we have had in the past; an average player with little pace.

Ian Tunny
30   Posted 16/06/2009 at 02:57:51

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Usual big money signing: Moutiniho £16 million
A gamble on a young lower division player with potential: Delph or Ledley £4 million
A loan deal

That's all I thinks needed.
Peter Laing
31   Posted 15/06/2009 at 16:41:41

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As the silly season has began in earnest and the tabloids are filled with the usual lazy journalist speculation whilst the players and managers sun themselves, can somebody explain how a transfer valuation is concocted? I have seen the likes of Lescott being valued at between £10-15 million and was wondering how these figures come about? Is there a science to these vaulations or just a reflection of what a team and opposing club are prepared to pay?
Martin Berry
32   Posted 16/06/2009 at 05:49:00

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Signings:

- Right sided midfielder, No 1 priority
- Goalkeeper to cover Howard
- Defensive midfielder to allow Neville to revert to right back
- Nobody leaves. Easy?

Enjoy your summer hols, Davey!
Mike Coates
33   Posted 16/06/2009 at 07:08:37

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We don’t need Jo. Keep Lescott.

Get Moutinho. M’Bia, Ledley..

Keep Yak, Saha and Vaughan up front!

Maybe let Anichebe go, maybe loan.

COYB!
Leighton Cooper
34   Posted 16/06/2009 at 08:10:18

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As far as wingers go, I would have a look at Adam Johnson from Boro.
Phil Bellis
35   Posted 16/06/2009 at 09:31:03

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Dave J mentioned £3 or 4 million (sarcasm?) ? just where does the money go? I know the common feeling is we spend the next year?s TV money in advance but that?s only the same as a business being a year behind with Corporation Tax.

So, are we so deep in debt that the FA Cup, TV and appearance money, plus the PL placing cash, plus next years (guaranteed) TV payment goes to the banks? If so, is this debt reduction what makes BK look a good chairman in some people?s eyes?

Jason Lam
36   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:25:03

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Bentley on the right wing. Sorted.
Ciaran MacGiolla Eoin
37   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:17:24

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I have it on good authority that we will sign Alan Smith, Pierluigi Casiragi...and George Best.


Moyes can get the most of of these players. Lazarus signings.
James Kerfoot
38   Posted 16/06/2009 at 11:20:31

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The idea of losing Lescott is terrible, as you look at the top 4 teams and they all have at least 3 quality centre-backs i.e. Chelsea: Terry, Carvalho and Alex.

We need to keep Yobo, Jags and Lescott if we are going to sustain a long European run as well as break the big 4 again as *touch wood* injuries can occur over the long course of the season. I would sign Jacobsen on a free as he is an international right back and definitely looks more stable going forward than Hibbert. That leaves us with money to invest on Moutinho and M?bia.

If Moyes can work his magic and bring up a couple of players from the Championship (Ledley etc), we can afford to let go of the likes of Anichebe in part exchange deals. On the Owen topic I think he is too injury prone, and we already have Saha who is at constant risk of becoming injured.

Gary Mortimer
39   Posted 16/06/2009 at 11:17:41

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We must keep Roger. We must emphasise that we are not a selling club. We have to add quality to the squad and not quantity. We need a new right midfielder, a new right back and a striker.

Regarding players we have been linked to:

Steven Hunt and Kevin Doyle: No! No! No! No! No! No! NO!!!!! Nowhere near good enough to get us to the ?next level?.

Jo: A no for me. He didn?t do enough in away games, and we can?t afford to have players who cannot perform wherever we are playing.

M?Bia and Matuidi: I?ve not actually seen these two, so I?m not sure. I?ve heard very conflicting reports of M?Bia. Another Essien or another Nyarko!!!

Moutinho: Yes, please, but he could be 1) too expensive, 2) going elsewhere, 3) on the small side.

The lad Johnson from Boro could be worth a punt ? he always looked dangerous when he was allowed on in Downing?s (who is so over-rated) place. We could switch Peanuts to the right side there, where his work rate would help the right back.
Ciarán MacGiolla Eoin
40   Posted 16/06/2009 at 13:26:14

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The best four do have quality centre halves ? they also have quality midfielders, and quality forwards ? and why? Because they can afford them.

We can?t, therefore if someone is willing to offer stupid money for Lescott, then we must at least look at what it might mean for the betterment of the rest of the team.

It?s not good stating that we shouldn?t sell our best players... in an ideal world we wouldn?t. But Everton?s finances are far away from an ideal world.

The fact is that we are never going to break the top four with our current midfield ? irrespective of who we have at the back (and in my opinion, Yobo is as good in centre half as Lescott ? the only thing you lose is the cover for left back).
Alec Laurie
41   Posted 16/06/2009 at 13:30:32

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Kevin Nolan????????????????????????
Ciarán MacGiolla Eoin
42   Posted 16/06/2009 at 13:31:48

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By the way... it?s a bit daft saying... ?We must not sell Roger, We must emphasise that we are not a selling club? .... and in the next sentences listing 3 first eleven positions that need replacing!

WE HAVE NO MONEY... how exactly would you propose such acquisitions?
Ajay Gopal
43   Posted 16/06/2009 at 13:29:50

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Three persons I think are reasonable targets:

Fabian Delph (Leeds)
Adam Johnson (Middlesborough)
Micah Richards (Manchester City)

Also, Jo on another loan spell.

Would not mind selling Anichebe/Saha to part fund these purchases.

Good enough to sustain a Top 4 challenge (assuming we do not have the rotten luck with injuries that we had last season).
Neil Styles
44   Posted 16/06/2009 at 14:10:14

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Why are so many people content with Jo staying?!?! He scored a few goals last season, and there were flashes of talent, I admit, but he also missed more golden oppotrunities than I care to remember (the Chelsea game at the Bridge being most notable). If he remained with us for another laon spell, that would just fine, but I doubt City would be that charitable without wanting something (or someone...) in return.

Two seasons ago, DM made a £12m bid for Lucho Gonzalez; considering we were willing to pay nearly £8M higher for Joao last term, does anyone know why we never pursued the former?
Rich Grisdale
45   Posted 16/06/2009 at 14:30:51

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Some stinkin' players on that list, mate; Kevin Nolan a big no-no... Moutinho is the one I'd like...
Phil Martin
46   Posted 16/06/2009 at 14:51:41

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Ok here?s my FM moment... PLAN A (assuming Lescott doesn?t demand a transfer):

IN
£7M M?bia
£3M Ledley/Matuidi
£4M Hutton
£10M Moutinho
Jo (on loan)

OUT
Anichebe £4.5M
Jacobsen FREE

Total Spend £19.5M
Peter Howard
47   Posted 16/06/2009 at 15:50:53

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If David Moyes is sitting on a beach, the only thing he is thinking is "Factor 50 or Factor 100?"
Pete Clark
48   Posted 16/06/2009 at 15:53:11

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Looking back on last season, there are certain playes that you would say "OK, let them go" but Lescott is certainly not one. In fact he is high up there in importance to the team with Jags, Arteta, Timmy and Howard. Gotta stop this mentality of letting players go when it's obvious we need strength in the squad to win trophies.
Jay Harris
49   Posted 16/06/2009 at 16:23:12

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Phil, that?s a good wish-list but rumours are that Mouthino is going to Real Madrid or Barca and I don't think we?ve got a chance of getting £4.5 mil for Vic.

Also, it?s rumoured that Rennes are playing hardball again asking a minimum £10 million for M?bia.

I do think we?re all missing out the GK dept which we need to get some quality in.
Phil Martin
50   Posted 16/06/2009 at 16:41:10

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Jay, you?re right, there are lots of factors which may influence if we get a player or not. I couldn't imagine Madrid or Barcelona requiring Moutinho, though, given their respective teams. If Madrid did want him, maybe we could take Van de Vart or Sneider from them.

As for M?Bia, I think that Cana @ Marseille is also highly rated if Rennes start playing silly beggars.
IMO Anchibe must be worth at least £4-5M if Fraser Campbell is worth £6M... but who can tell. This summer is a massive pre-season for us. I can see it either going great allowing us to push the sky4, or going just like last year ? only we?ll really struggle to get anywhere near our over performance last year.

Gary Mortimer
51   Posted 16/06/2009 at 18:10:45

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Ciaron - what is daft saying that we should not sell one of our best players, while stating that we need to strengthen in a few areas? I’d keep Hibbert and Osman for the squad - play them against the likes of Fulham etc.....

Are you certain we "HAVE NO MONEY"? Who told you that? Why would DM openly admit that he’s still interested in Moutinho, if there is no money at all?

I think that some money will be made available - probably not enough to satisfy our needs for big name signings, but perhaps enough to strengthen in a couple of areas.
Iain Love
52   Posted 16/06/2009 at 18:37:02

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Full back = Naughton [£5m bid lodged]
Right Wing= Delph [about £5m should do it]
Defensive midfield = M?bia getting talked about; Iwould rather go for Veloso [Moutino's mate]
Striker = Big strong holds the ball up well, very good on set plays, decent strike rate, experienced in Prem and cheap "who" Kevin Davies!!!!!! Now wait a minute and think .... Owen or Davies .?
Graham Brandwood
53   Posted 16/06/2009 at 19:01:06

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Cairan. When you have sold debatably the best left-sided centre-back in the country, who is going to play centre-back at the start of the season with Jags injured? What will you do when the Jags / Yobo pairing does not work as they both prefare the right side? Who wll cover when one of them is not available for one of our hopefuly 60 games?

When our magical new Midfield is fed up waisting their time creating goals because we are leaking goals all over the place, you have realised you have made a huge mistake letting him go. Spend £12 million on Upson. No because he has already gone to Arsenal. Selling Lescot is madness.

Ron Leith
54   Posted 16/06/2009 at 19:37:09

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Transfers out will hopefully not include Anichebe, hopefully he will go on loan to the Owls and come back a better player. The main transfer targets of the summer for me would have to be Tuncay, Hunt, Ledley and Naughton.
Matt Roache
55   Posted 16/06/2009 at 21:43:15

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That plan didn?t look too bad until I saw that part of it was to sell Lescott for money and Jo! I think that would be a huge mistake as I really don?t think Jo is up to much, never mind the fact that Lescott is one of the two best defenders in England (Jags being the other!).

Naughton would be a class signing, however, as he looks a superb full back!
Colin Callaghan
56   Posted 16/06/2009 at 21:52:58

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I agree, Matt.

We got the most we can hope to see out of Jo IMO ... just don't see the fire in his belly that I see in other players on the squad.

By the way... Moyes should never even think about cashing in on Lescott, we can't start taking for granted how hard it is to get two absolute quality centre-backs.
Jay Harris
57   Posted 16/06/2009 at 21:57:00

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Phil, I think the Mouthino rumour was put out by a blue based in Spain who says it is being reported there that he is signing for Real or Barca. However, as we all know, All that is certain is NOTHING is certain.

As Ron Leith says, I would like to keep Big Vic and knock him into shape. To me, he looks a lot better prospect than some of the other young kids knocking around the Prem.
Mark Pierpoint
58   Posted 16/06/2009 at 22:20:50

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I agree with the comment Ron makes too. If there is one thing that I am fed up with, it is this assumption that we can just sell Anichebe at a drop of a hat for £4.5M as Phil assumes. To who exactly?

Campbell, remember, played a whole season in the Championship and made a bit of an impact at Spurs! This is why he is in the £6M bracket (a bit expensive, I agree). Even in silly season, can someone give me a sales pitch on Anichebe to justify a £4.5M asking price?

1) He has a bad attitude;
2) You can count his Premier League goals on one hand;
3) He has had his problems with injuries;

I think he is a good prospect but he needs games next year, and probably a bit of a reality check down in the Championship.

Aide Dews
59   Posted 16/06/2009 at 22:11:05

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I saw a report on a website saying Moyes is still interested in Moutinho and could make another move for him if the price is right this time round, and I also saw on setanta.com that the Sporting coach, Paulo Bento would like to keep him at the club but says he could be sold before the season starts, he?s not sure what could happen with him yet?

And M?Bia has stated he wants to leave Rennes and join us, just like he did last season but that time Rennes wanted him to stay but they?ve granted he can leave this time round but they have put a bigger price on his head, ?12-14M. We're apparently willing to go to £10M for him and that's their lot!

I?d love them both at the club because they're both quality players but I can't see us having the funds required, £10M for M?Bia, at least £12-14M for Moutinho... I just cant see us having the funds to get both.

I think Moyesy will sign M?Bia first because he wants to fill the defensive midfield role permanently next season and probably take a miss on Moutinho and rely on Arteta when he gets back fit. We might go back in for young Naughton or we may go elsewhere but we definitely need a new right back. Naughton would be good, never played in Premier League and is still young but, from what I've seen, he is a lot better than Hibbert. I'm not so sure defensively yet, but he?ll get better with age but going forward he?s got bags of energy and gets up and down that line all game, and he?s got some end product too with regards to crossing.

I also agree with those who say we should sell Big Vic, Hull are apparently keen to sign him once fit again. I saw figures of £4M... if so, snap their hands off, and I'd take the ?2M Besiktas are offering for Saha too. Not sure wether we?d get that or Man Utd, probably them wankers, but if we got it, it would be a good £5m+ to go into kitty towards more buys.

If we could afford the wages and signing on fee, I?d take Owen too, he?s worth a punt on a Bosman definitely, or maybe get someone in on loan, Jo maybe. A good pre-season with us and in a better team and I'm sure he?d do well!.

Peter Roberts
60   Posted 16/06/2009 at 22:37:55

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Mark Pierpoint, we could flog him to Fulham. Just show them the tapes of his performances in Europe against Kharkiv, Larissa and Nuremburg and we have ourselves £5m in the hole.

Lescott should not be sold under any circumstances. People may throw Richards in as a makeweight but I would be playing hardball with City and saying that the £16M needs Richards on top of that to even contemplate letting Lescott talk to them. Breaking up him and Jags is akin to breaking up Vidic and Ferdinand ? the two should be playing together.

M?bia and his agent both look like slimy mercenaries looking for a fat paycheck from the EPL, so I?d let him go and rot in somewhere like Spurs. No thanks.
Mark Pierpoint
61   Posted 16/06/2009 at 22:43:31

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Hull WERE keen on Big Vic in January, Aide. I may be wrong but I haven't heard anything else. With a £6M bid for Campbell being made, you have got to assume that it's a long shot of getting rid of him to Hull. Other than Hull, I can only see a loan deal being a way to move him.

In my mind, this talk of selling players is quite pointless. I don't think we have honestly got anyone to get rid of that won't weaken us as a team.
Martin Beesley
62   Posted 16/06/2009 at 22:51:31

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Thank god you are not really spending the £15M!!! Lescott and Cash for Jo???? Nolan!!! Oh, and Ledley is a centre-mid ? not a left wing-back.
Mark Pierpoint
63   Posted 16/06/2009 at 22:50:33

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Peter, I take your point; Fulham are a sort of team that could be interested, ditto Wigan, Stoke etc but I can't see us being that lucky. I am not saying that there is no chance of selling him, I for one would like to keep him as I think he has the raw ability to sell him. The only problem I have is how some people seem to think all we have to do is put the word out and someone will cough up £5M quid for him.
Tim Lloyd
64   Posted 16/06/2009 at 23:00:22

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Gentlemen. Football is a sport. The Premier League is a business. Certainly, we could get good money for Joleon... But at what cost?

David Moyes has built up one of the best back fours in the League. Maybe right back can?t match the two central defending positions or left back but all-in-all I wouldn?t mess with anybody forming part of it.

Our problem is right midfield. Personally I would go for M?Bia. Playing in the French League, he will be a ball player. Over 6 foot I believe, age around 24... suggests he?ll be pretty mobile.

Many see him as a mercenary but, to me, I think that in time he?ll be bitten by this "all together lads" thing which Moyes has engendered in his squad.

Forget Moutihno, he?s not coming. The other most desperate requirement is a striker. No, not Owen, someone who is more likely to remain fit for most of the season ahead. For me, Darren Bent if available. His speed would complement Yakubu?s strength.

Other positions would be nice but I don?t believe we would have the cash. To me, those are very necessary acquisitions.
Mark Pierpoint
65   Posted 16/06/2009 at 23:46:28

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Tim, you say we need another striker but I don't get the idea of Bent at all. He will cost about £8m minimum. You talk of him needing to complement Yakubu with his pace but, everytime we have played two strikers, it doesn't work. We are a 4-5-1 team with one of Saha, maybe Owen, Jo on loan or another cheap striker (also maybe Vaughan) to back up Yak or offer an alternative. This two-marquee striker idea or straight 4-4-2 doesn't suit the way we play. Our second striker is Cahill; if not him, Fellaini. The idea of us playing two out and out strikers just isn't a reality.
Tim Lloyd
66   Posted 17/06/2009 at 02:00:54

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I accept your point, Mark, but because it hasn?t worked in the past doesn?t mean we should not keep trying. Goals win games, not great defending, unless we have scored say a minimum of one.

Apart from the Yak, we don?t have one striker we can feel reasonably confident will last for 90 minutes. This won?t do, for me anyway.

Throughout my time watching them, Everton have always had two up front who know where the back of the goal is: Dixie and Johnson; Lawton and Bentham; Ball and Royle. It's still true for the most successful teams today.

Maybe it's just a matter of opinion but then... that?s it, it's mine.
Colin Evans
67   Posted 17/06/2009 at 11:52:16

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Lescott ? I for one hope we don?t sell: but as the Christiano Ronaldo situation proved ? every club and player has their price, particularly if they want to leave.
Now we won?t get £80M sadly: I would want £20-25M for a player of that quality, Man City?s £15m is a joke.


We need : RB, Midfield creativity&goalscorer, Midfield holding and another striker.
Ledley, Naughton, Delph, M?Bia are all great options ? I doubt we will get more than one of them. Extending Jo?s loan would be good if we cannot afford to buy.
Moutiniho is too expensive for us and he wants to go to Real or Barca. We are not glamorous enough for him (and that being the case I wouldn?t want a such a primadona)
We don’t need a left back: Baines has improved immeasurable since his shaky start (and Lescott can cover, with Yobo filling in.)

No: any of the barcodes downsizing crew (Alan smith, Nolan etc.), the Reading pair (hunt and his mate),
Owen would be ok on a free and reasonable wages ? but we really need another seldom fit striker like Saha who has lost his pace. I think he will go to Villa anyway.

Bottom line is that we are not moneybags Man City or Sky4 and if we get 2-3 decent signings and few free?s or loans that about as good as it gets.

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