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Owen!!!

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So here we go again, another summer with no football to watch, nothing to discuss, and all we talk about is potential Goodison heroes!!! I've been reading a lot of threads about who we should sign, plenty of opinions on players who we should go for and what we need etc etc.

Now in dreamland these players we speculate about are stars and are going to come to Everton and propel us to the elusive Champions League spot we desperatly crave. However, these players we speculate over (M'bia, Ledley, Delph, Moutinho etc) are not proven Premier League footballers ? we don't know if any of these are up to the task.

Players who play well week-in, week-out in the Premier League are sadly beyond our means... not even world beaters ? just good players like Barry, Valencia. We compete in one of the best (if not the best) league in the world, so who knows if we splash the cash it will pay off? In my opinion, every transfer has a risky element to it.

You probably know where this is going due to the title of my post... Yes, Michael Owen. Now don't automatically believe that I'm so gullible to believe that Owen is the world superstar galactico he was 4 years ago... but I do believe he would be potentially a great signing. I understand people's reasons to be completely against this idea.

These are:

1. Injuries: Simple... offer him a pay-as-you-play deal, that way, if he's on the table all season, who cares?

2. He's past it: Yes, I understand that Owen is probably as quick as Marouane ? we all know he's lost that pace ? but I believe there was always more to his game than pace!! How many times have you seen him score with his head, beat the offside trap with a perfectly timed run, and slot it ? nobody can deny he is a goalscorer.

3. Hunger: Does Owen still have the hunger for the game??? It's not a secret that he loves his racehorses: however, this is his last chance saloon, especially with the World Cup approaching, and who better than David Moyes to draw the maximum potential out of a player?

Now in conclusion, I believe that Owen is a lower risk than any other transfer. Firstly, he's free... and (providing he will sign pay-as-you-play) he will not much cost. If he's not up to it, release after a year. Another defensive issue for Owen is that we all forget he did play for Newcastle, can anybody remember the last player or manager to give a decent account of themselves at that club??? Errr ... Shearer (as a player)??. I don't see why we shouldn't go for him ? he's not really that old, a similar age to / player as Robbie Keane (pace gone), and we all know who paid £20million pound for him!!!
Chris Pickles, Roscommon, Ireland     Posted 15/06/2009 at 19:36:22

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Richard Parker
1   Posted 16/06/2009 at 07:23:09

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This subject splits the blue fanbase right down the middle, but I have to say I?m straddling that split.

Owen was class and he has ability for sure, if we had the opportunity to sign him without his injuries, I?d jump at it. It?s a risk, but if we can sign him on our own terms, eg low wages with bonuses for playing time/goals, with the World Cup approaching, we could get a bargain. On the other hand, he could be another AvdM.

Maybe we can get the Yak fit, then Vaughan, Owen and Saha could play one-third of a season each alongside him?
Peter Fong
2   Posted 16/06/2009 at 07:26:01

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Michael Owen is a has-been and I hope our club does not sign any of Newcastle's players as they obviously lack any of the qualities that are required of a current Everton player. No heart, passion, commitment etc etc. In fact personally I hope Newcastle go bust.
Gavin Ramejkis
3   Posted 16/06/2009 at 07:24:04

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Chris, in response:

1. Injuries, why would anyone sign a player who has played so few games in the last few seasons despite current medical capabilities to remedy most injuries at a cost, he still hasn?t played that many games, doesn?t take a rocket scientist to say his time has been and gone and he?s simply prolonging what his body is trying to tell him ? give it up.

2. A player who has had to stoop to whore themselves on past prowess is desperate; that prowess left him before he left the RS - Marouane scored more goals than him despite his "lack of pace".

3. Hunger, well yes he screams hunger ? left the RS for the glory of collecting splinters in his arse at Real Madrid then turned us down for a fatter pay check at the skunks. He?s hungry alright; for another mug to sponsor his retirement wad for another season or two ? a greedy finished mercenary.

Robbie Keane was destroyed by the RS who played him out of position or simply didn?t play him at all and, unlike Owen, still has many games left in him yet.
James Smith
4   Posted 16/06/2009 at 08:25:42

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The PFA won’t allow Pay as you Play, it’s what stopped Saha doing something similar.
Marc Williams
5   Posted 16/06/2009 at 08:32:11

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Moyes made a serious approach for him before before he made a grab for the barcodes cash! As I recall, he treated the interest from Everton with derision & contempt so No Way do I want him now that he just wants to get back to the North West.

Do us all a favour, Michael, stay way up North, I?d say Hull are about your current level, while you blub over the fact the Shite never re-signed ya!
Louis Huglin
6   Posted 16/06/2009 at 08:40:10

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James, yes the FA don’t allow pay as you play, but stick him on a low basic salary and give him a big appearance bonus. Simples.
Matt Traynor
7   Posted 16/06/2009 at 08:56:46

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I think he’d be too much of a risk with the records that Saha and Vaughan have (Yakubu doesn’t have a reputation, was just unlucky with his).

Phil McNulty tries to do a sales job on him on the BBC here http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2009/06/is_owen_still_worth_a_gamble.html but to be honest I think Moyes won’t go for it.

I also personally think City / Villa would offer a better deal financially, and he’s always struck me as the kind who would go for that.
Tom Edwards
8   Posted 16/06/2009 at 09:02:47

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I agree with Gavin R.

A greedy little, glass-ankled mercenary who will limp along to the mugs prepared to pay him the highest wage.

He has had his day and we would simply be filling the gap vacated by Shandy.

Leave well alone. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in a Burnley track suit, warming their bench.
Dan McKie
9   Posted 16/06/2009 at 09:04:27

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The thing that bore?s me most about the Owen rumours this summer is that everyone keeps mentioning the word ?free?! Michael Owen will never be free! Yes, he is out of contract soon, and its correct that Newcastle wont receive a penny, but he and his ?advisors? still think he is a massive star and will demand a huge signing on fee to split between them. Some mugs would actually pay it, I just don't think Everton will!
Shaun Brennan
10   Posted 16/06/2009 at 09:08:10

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I?ve not formed a basis on/not signing Owen, as it is simply not my job. However one thing for certain: Owen on a pay-as-you-play deal. That seems like a certain no-no as the guy only seems motivated by money. So I think you can rule that one out.
Ben Jones
11   Posted 16/06/2009 at 09:24:29

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I?m a bit iffy about Owen, but be happy enough to get him at Everton if there?s no one else. Personally, I?d prefer Kevin Doyle, as he is proven in the league and has the pace that our team is lacking.
Lee Rogers
12   Posted 16/06/2009 at 09:36:47

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I think most Evertonians wouldn?t say no to Owen but if he wants more than £50k, Moyes just won?t pay... which is fair enough.
Steve Callaghan
13   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:32:17

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The only reason he would sign for Everton is to be close to his home and business. Owen was all about pace ? he has lost that. He brings absolutley nothing else to the table ? ask Capello. He?s finished; I really hope we don?t stoop so low... I would rather us keep motor-mouth Anichebe and try to enhance his game than bring in this has-been. Vaughan deserves a chance also.
Ej Ruane
14   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:16:34

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A lot of logic here which... well... each to their own of course.

However to me the best thing about football ? specifically Everton ? is that it is maybe the one area in life that allows us the to be completely irrational and illogical. Most of the time we?re forced to apply logic ? working, paying bills, raising kids, etc. But for me, with Everton, everything comes from the heart and the gut.

With that in mind, I really don?t want Owen and here?s why: I think he?s a horrible sly-eyed little twat.

Hope that explains my position.
Mark Stone
15   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:42:58

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You ask:

"1. Injuries: Simple... offer him a pay-as-you-play deal, that way, if he?s on the table all season, who cares?"

Well, in response ... Michael Owen (one of the most money-orientated people in a money-orientated sport) probably cares.

"Let?s see... shall I sign for Everton and play no games and get paid jack shit? Or should I sign for [insert any one of at least 16 Premier League team names who would be pleased to have him] a guaranteed £50k per week?"

Hmmmm

Monty Carlo
16   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:26:58

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I’ve said it elsewhere on this website but I’ll say it again here;
If I had a semi-fit James Vaughan and a semi-fit Michael Owen on the bench and badly needed a goal, then I’d bring Owen on before Vaughan. Don’t get me wrong though, I like Vaughan. I like his energy, spirit and aggression. I just don’t think he’s ever going to be a prolific goalscorer so there is more chance of Owen grabbing one when we need it.

I trust Moyes to know if he can rescue Owen’s career - because that’s what he’ll be doing. Owen should be wetting himself with anticipation of getting a chance to play for us. He should be looking at the players in our squad that are exceeding their previously perceived potential and hoping that Moyes does the same for him. It’s a sorry state for English football when Peter fucking Crouch is an England regular.
Liam Harry
17   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:54:12

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Michael Owen will become next seasons Andy (sorry Andrew!) Cole. He will play for Portsmouth or City 'til Christmas, then Wigan or Burnley for a few months.

He will be the next journeyman taking money from anyone who will have him. Steer well clear, I say.

I agree that K Doyle would be a good addition to our squad, but only if we get some decent midfield players in as all of his decent service when he was last in the EPL came mainly from Siddwell and Hunt.
Joe Halligan
18   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:57:05

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I agree with most of the opinions on here. I don?t think Owen still has the hunger or desire to play at this level. I still think, however, he?s twice the player Peter Crouch is!

Here?s a funny video of Southall telling Owen off for being an arrogant dick!! -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE

(I do think Owen?s joking in this video a little, but he takes it too far against a 13-year-old!)
Joe Halligan
19   Posted 16/06/2009 at 11:09:04

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It also worries me that he only scored about half of his chances in training against a 13-year-old!!
Stewart Littler
20   Posted 16/06/2009 at 10:57:52

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I think the thing with this rumour, and that?s what it is at this stage, is there are two possible scenarios that would play out if he signed for us, or indeed any other team:

A ? He has better luck with injuries, rediscovers his form, touch and fitness, and starts banging in goals again.

B ? He spends most of the season on the treatment table, and looks lazy and shit when he does play.

The dilemma for Moyes, if he does indeed consider it, is if it?s A with another club, he will feel he?s missed out on a good deal, one that could have improved our season. If it?s B with us, he?ll look like a mug.

No-one can say which scenario will play out, unless they?ve got a crystal fucking ball. So in short, it?s a risk. Is it a big risk? Well, the transfer fee WILL be nil (read the Bosman case if you are in any doubt). Any signing on fee would have to be agreed by the club.

Dan, he and his advisers are in no position to be making demands, cos otherwise, his career's over, unless Newcastle offer him a new contract (playing in the Championship).

Wages wise, I personally would be happy with £40k a week for ONE YEAR only = £2m. In essence, it would be like having a new VdM for one more year, but with the possibility of scenario A.

Whatever happens, I trust Moyes to make the correct decision ? I really don?t know what I?d do. If there was an alternative (realistic), then I?d probably say no thanks, but is there an alternative?

As Monty has pointed out, if he was fit, I think he?d be the next best option after the Yak ? I?d bet on him to get a goal coming on as sub before Vaughan, and also before Saha (who, incidentally, arrived last summer in similar circumstances to the ones we are discussing right now).

Ciarán MacGiolla Eoin
21   Posted 16/06/2009 at 11:22:13

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I’d rather have some unknown Romanian on about 4 G a week than that money grabbing crock....sorry - I mean cock.
Garry Martin
22   Posted 16/06/2009 at 11:32:02

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Why would you want to take on a injury prone player whose only concern at the Skunks was to get himself off the injury bench and ready for the next England game. They were paying him £125,000 per week & he wasn?t motivated, so how can he "all of a sudden" become motivated on a lesser wage & contract?

Bottom line... LEAVE WELL ALONE!!!
Paul O'Hanlon
23   Posted 16/06/2009 at 12:29:21

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To add to the above comments, he doesn?t fit into our style of play. We play best with 1 up top as we all know, and he can?t play the lone striker role. Yes we need options, but I?d want more than just an option for £50k a week!
Jip Foster
24   Posted 16/06/2009 at 13:24:50

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I’d offer him a trial first - let him play in some of the friendlies. This will allow Moyes to see if he fits in with the team, how good he is (or not), and how committed he is (if he wants to play for us he’ll accept a trial first).
Simples
Danny Broderick
25   Posted 16/06/2009 at 13:34:47

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I agree 100% with the post. Sign him up.
Paul Olsen
26   Posted 16/06/2009 at 14:15:38

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I?ll be brief on this one.

No, I do not want Michael Owen to play for Everton. EVER!
Chris Fisher
27   Posted 16/06/2009 at 15:13:22

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I'd take Owen over Kevin Doyle any day, the reason being I couldn't see a player like Kevin Doyle getting on to even the substitutes bench of any of the top four teams from last season. So, if we?re trying to improve, how can he be good enough for us?

With Owen, if we can get him fit then I think he could be a quality signing for us. He has to play his heart out if he wants to drum up enough support for him to get back in the England fold for the World Cup next year, so it could work out pretty well! Also do think about it ? he's been playing for Newcastle for god's sake ? no wonder he's been shite!

Peter Howard
28   Posted 16/06/2009 at 14:51:05

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Stewart, Sorry to be pedantic but he can?t "re-discover" his touch as he never had one in the first place.
Damian Kelly
29   Posted 16/06/2009 at 16:50:00

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Sign him and then sell him for £10 mil before the season starts to a Manager who isnt familiar with English football - quids in!
Jay Harris
30   Posted 16/06/2009 at 17:05:20

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Overhyped
Overpaid
Overopinionated
Over as a Premier League player
And hopefully over there (in fact anywhere but here).

Maybe he should rejoin Fat Sam at Blackburn Overs.
Micky Norman
31   Posted 16/06/2009 at 17:52:56

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Don?t Panic!!!!! Moyes isn?t stupid or desparate (yet). Saha is our full quota of ageing crocks in the last chance saloon. But Walter Smith?? Well he sounds just perfect for him.
Ian McDowell
32   Posted 16/06/2009 at 22:29:15

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If rumours are right on Sky Sports, sell Saha to Besiktas for £1.7M and Owen in on a free... good business!
Trevor Thompson
33   Posted 16/06/2009 at 23:38:49

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We?ll just end up playing long balls to him and asking him to chase them down, like we did with Johnson.
Iain Love
34   Posted 16/06/2009 at 23:28:34

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Owen would be a great player for the likes of Arsenal, a team that plays the ball around in the box and needs someone with instinct to stick the ball in the net. We are not that type of team and he would be useless for us. it would be easier playing with 10 men.

The style of our team at present would need a Mark Hughes type of player and the only ones I would look at (Mr Hughes not playing anymore) would be Carew (we ain't getting him), Santa Cruz (we ain't getting him), Heskey (a maybe but doubtful), Davies (Bolton may part with him?).

Otherwise, we look abroad: Kurani looks decent, but whatever we do, not fuckin OWEN. Let's face it, we carry Ossie most of the time and carrying two is too much to ask.

Tony Williams
35   Posted 17/06/2009 at 00:36:55

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The good thing in that, Trevor, is that Owen would not chase the hoofed balls so the players would have to learn to stop it; AJ was a victim of his own eagerness. If he would have stopped chasing down lost causes, the defender would eventually get the message and stop twatting the ball into the corners.
Trevor Thompson
36   Posted 17/06/2009 at 06:25:42

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Tony, I think Moyes would demand him to chase the balls down. He prefers his team to fight for every ball, no matter what position you play in, so I can only see the same happening. We need to be more adventurous and mix flair with work ethics.
Dave Southon
37   Posted 17/06/2009 at 08:38:50

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My concern is if we sign Owen, it is highly unlikely another striker will also be signed, so if we have a similar scenerio as last season, with Yak, Vic and Vaughan out injured. It leaves an injury prone Saha and an even more injury prone Owen.
On this basis we need to look at alternatives.
Robert Lam
38   Posted 17/06/2009 at 14:23:12

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Owen?? Neigh...said his horses.
Stew Littler
39   Posted 17/06/2009 at 20:18:11

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Peter, no, he was never any good then was he? International players and players who sign for Real Madrid never have a ’touch’. You’re not being pedantic, you’re being ignorant. And I don’t mean to be rude - ignorant in the sense of ignorant of fact.

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