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The Derby Fixture

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Simple question guys: Why is the first derby fixture of every season held at Goodison,and the trip across the park to the home of Satan second ?

Probably getting paranoid-but it happens every year ! It's been scratching at my mind for a long time,and my fear is that the shite are given the home tie in the spring,when they're "challenging" for the title, and home advantage gives them a better opportunity to get the 3 points, so as to aid the above mentioned "challenge."

I think from memory, (and probably wrong here) the Kev Campbell derby was our last November Anfield fixture: we won,so have the feckers in red asked the FA to arrange games in that particular order to suit their own deluded purposes ?

Information,opinion and answers on a postcard please folks.

Or is it just me ?
Kevin Hudson, Stoneycroft     Posted 17/06/2009 at 11:05:13

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Lynn Thorne
1   Posted 17/06/2009 at 19:11:04

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I noticed that too. Also, for the 6th year running, we are at home on the 1st day while they are away. What might that signify! We have a couple of interesting runs too = playing Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs consecutively
Adam Cunliffe
2   Posted 17/06/2009 at 21:06:44

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Thats a good shout mate. I was wondering about that to....

Run in is very good tho...
Frank Nolan
3   Posted 17/06/2009 at 21:38:39

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February is a bit scary, the run-in not too bad.
Dan McKie
4   Posted 17/06/2009 at 22:03:31

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February does look tough, but the same fixtures last season saw us unbeaten!
Gavin Ramejkis
5   Posted 17/06/2009 at 22:46:48

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The games in Feb are even scarier given the AFCON cup and losing so many players again
Mike Allison
6   Posted 17/06/2009 at 22:47:56

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The bit that sounds proper paranoid is the idea that the second game being at Anfield in some way benefits them. How does it? I’d rather have the home one first, I’d just rather we won it 3-0 more often.

And when was the last time they ’challenged for the title’? Unless you include the season just gone, which I’m not sure you can.
Peter Benson
7   Posted 17/06/2009 at 23:22:55

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Good to get a tough game out of the way first.
Sam Higgins
8   Posted 18/06/2009 at 08:14:12

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It's always Everton v Liverpool first every season without fail... it's what Sky wants, so it's what Sky gets...
Sam Morrison
9   Posted 18/06/2009 at 08:43:48

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Paranoia alert! As Mike Allison says, what difference does it make whether we play at home first or second? Randomness includes ?clusters?, otherwise the ?random? fixture list would alternate fixtures every year. Let?s not look for a conspiracy about nothing.
Gareth Cooper
10   Posted 18/06/2009 at 09:01:55

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We’ve gotta play them all twice guys. It shouldn’t really matter what order we beat them in.

Understandably runs of games against ’better’ oppo seem a bit troublesome, but that frees up other runs of games i.e. the fairly ’easy’ run in.

The key to this season will be weekends after european performances (If we have a run like 07/08). If we play at home in the bulk of those games and struggle then we could be up against it. However, they could be just what we want if we manage to win the majority.
Kevin Hudson
11   Posted 18/06/2009 at 09:45:09

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Hey Mike,
The Anfield fixture benefits the dark side in the sense that they?re favourites. We celebrate our draws there, because our last win across the park was 10 years ago!!

As regards to my usage of the word "challenge," I deliberately employed quotes for sarcastic effect. Possibly too subtle for you, but I do take your point about paranoia on board..

Cheers

Mike Allison
12   Posted 18/06/2009 at 13:08:41

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I put the ’b’ in the subtle Kevin.

Its not the Anfield, its the playing it second I was questioning as an advantage. I’d rather get off to a good start and use the momentum gained, I’d say playing home first was more of an advantage. As someone mentioned on another thread, this is more due to a lack of anything else to talk about.
Ray Roche
13   Posted 18/06/2009 at 15:51:49

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From 1962 to 2002 the fixtures were even, 20 seasons with the first Derby at Goodison and twenty with the first at Anfield, since then every Derby game has had Everton playing home first.
Ray Robinson
14   Posted 18/06/2009 at 20:23:25

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I think the deja vu feel to the fixtures might just be explained by the fact that the top 6 positions last season were exactly the same as the previous season and, if the program is based on positions, it might just work out something similar to last time - i.e. 3 of the top 4 for us in a 4 game period. Doesn?t wholly explain why the derby game is always at Goodison first though!

If people think that the order of the fixtures doesn?t have some bearing on the season as a whole (even though every team has to play the others twice), think of the start Burnley have. Might break them even before they get going. Or would you rather have had Hull at the beginning of last season or at the end? Or, ponder this, would we have been relegated in 1994 if we?d played Wimbledon away last game of the season?

Don?t subscribe to a conspiracy theory though!
Martin Wareham
15   Posted 19/06/2009 at 02:51:47

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For the question about which fixtures will follow our European games, please see the following. Of course we don’t know yet which European dates will be home or away matches:

Thu 20 Aug, QR4 1st leg
Sat 22 Aug, Burnley (A)
Thu 27 Aug, QR4 2nd leg
Sat 29 Aug, Wigan (H)

If we get through to the group stage:
Thu 17 Sep, Game 1
Sat 19 Sep, Blackburn (H)
Thu 1 Oct, Game 2
Sat 3 Oct, Stoke (H)
Thu 22 Oct, Game 3
Sat 24 Oct, Bolton (A)
Thu 5 Nov, Game 4
Sat 7 Nov, West Ham (A)
Wed 2/Thu 3 Dec, Game 5
Sat 5 Dec, Tottenham (H)
Wed 16/Thu 17 Dec, Game 6
Sat 19 Dec, Birmingham (H)

Overall it seems a reasonable set of fixtures with no especially difficult games. Of course most of these league games will be shifted to the Sunday.
Mike Allison
16   Posted 19/06/2009 at 12:09:46

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That’s good work Martin, doesn’t look too bad really does it? Presumably all those games will move to a Sunday automatically.

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