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In light of yet another inept performance, I have come to the conclusion (at last) that if DM can't motivate the current crop of players he should be shown the door. Two up and to capitulate in such circumstances was bloody pitiful. I'm ready for a change... anyone else?
Eddy  Grundy, Wigan     Posted 05/10/2008 at 17:57:30

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Michael Kenrick
Oh now come on. That's just a knee-jerk reaction surely? We have been assured by his ardent fans that it is just a matter of time before he turns things around. Look how close we came to having a great first half. So we failed to win a must-win game at home... but let's celebrate the positives:

A POINT! We got our first home points of the league campaign... and it's only October! Wooohooo!!!

Varun Rajwade
1   Posted 05/10/2008 at 18:30:25

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Well its sad, if people cannot see any positives and slag off the manager!! I don't like the fact that we dropped points, but Moyes is not going, so what's the point in almost celebrating our manager's failure?

How anyone cannot see positives from this game is beyond me, we played well (specially in first half), the game was a nice open one, we finished aggressively. It was a stupendous performance, but surely there were positives. How does slagging help?
Stephen Stuart
2   Posted 05/10/2008 at 18:39:01

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Varun

it?s getting to the point where, if Moyes doesn?t go, many others will!

POSITIVES!!! In this context, having 11 fit (?) players on the pitch for 90 minutes is about the only positive there is. We had one shot on target in the ?dramatic? second half, when with Newcastle sensing some joy plastered Everton - who were supposed to be cruising - hahahaha.
Varun Rajwade
3   Posted 05/10/2008 at 18:45:29

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Granted we were outplayed in the start 25 mins of the second half, but if u just see the bad half and say there are no positives, is that fair?? We played really really well in the first half... So if you prefer simply ignoring the first half performance (which we have been crying out for), then IMHO its not fair on the team and DM...
Brian Waring
4   Posted 05/10/2008 at 18:48:46

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We did play well in the 1st half, Varun, and a positive for me was Osman in the middle. The problem though, Varun, is we were at home to a very, very, very poor side, who are in turmoil, and we allowed them to come back from 2 goals down, and only for a block by Baines on the line, it could of been worse. Even worse still, they were the better side for most of the 2nd half.
Marc Williams
5   Posted 05/10/2008 at 18:42:19

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I can?t believe people are moaning after a magnificent performance today from our glorious boys. I was proud of them today and our tactical genius of a manager & Mr Motivator himself, Mr David Moyes.

If this is what he can acheive on only £35k a week, imagine what heights he can take us too when fully recompensed & focused on £70k a week. At least our superb chairmen has got that covered & I?m sure he?ll be signing shortly.

I can?t fathom those who think our current form will see our super talented squad struggling against relegation. Today was a valuable point in our push for 4th spot against a massive team with big aspirations themselves. Remember what KK said they want to be where we are.

THANKS Ken & Moyesey for all your hard work in the summer to get us where we are now.

SHIT, I feel all light headed, what am I writing??? I think Doddy must have put something in my Chang!!!

Danny Broderick
6   Posted 05/10/2008 at 19:03:05

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My own tuppence worth is that we are lacking leaders on the pitch. There are players playing with a severe lack of confidence and they are simply not performing. Last season we had a Carsley, or a Stubbs in there, getting everyone to roll their sleeves up. This season, I think we have mainly only had Neville and Jagielka who will open their mouths on the field. We are too quiet and the players need to stop feeling sorry for themselves. In fairness I would consider Cahill one of our strong personalities, but he has not been on the pitch often enough for us of late.
Dominic Fitzpatrick
7   Posted 05/10/2008 at 19:04:44

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I?m as disgruntled with these latest lapses as the next avid Evertonian but pointing the finger at Moyes just doesn?t help and I wish people would pack it in.

People are so keen to attribute what has been a fairly poor start to the season to problems behind the scenes. Yes, that?s right, Kenwright is to blame for the loss to Blackburn, he and Moyes should take all the blame for the Derby defeat and don?t get me started on Liege, yadda yadda yadda.

It?s really doing my head in, people who have a slightest understanding of the game of football can see it?s the players who aren?t pulling their respective fingers out!

Blackburn, Lescott playing offside.

Derby, players collectively lacking any passion whatsoever to win the game despite doing well up until half time then capitulating!

Liege, yet more poor defending, game lost in the first leg due to lack of concentration.

Newcastle, players not doing enough collectively to retain possession, harry the opposition, command penalty area - If Yakubu had of held the bloomin? ball up instead of poncing around then their first wouldn?t have happened, and their second may not have come meaning confidence taken from first half into second half instead of reverting to type ie trying to do an impression of an assured team in possession then cheapily losing the ball with aimless long passes!

Exactly what does Kenwright have to do with Lescott, Jagielka, Howard, Hibbert, Neville, Yobo and Baines all belting the ball upfront and losing it? Absolutely nothing!

I?m annoyed at the players more than anything, end of the day THEY and only THEY play the football! And that?s what gets points, wins cups etc.
Neil Pearse
8   Posted 05/10/2008 at 19:26:10

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Positives today: Baines, Osman, Pienaar (first half)... Fellaini (would have been even better if the idiot Webb hadn?t been pursuing some vendetta against him). That?s it.

The defence has become a disaster zone. Howard doesn?t come for the ball, and Hibbert loses his man, so Newcastle scored a goal almost the copy of Liege?s. If this isn?t fixed very soon, we will be fighting relegation.
Trevor Grant
9   Posted 05/10/2008 at 19:26:13

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On Oct 25th, we will be 20th in the Premier League... GUARENTEED! So get rid of Moyes and give the new boss time before the transfer window opens. The momentum we had in May will take years to get back. Moyes fucked it up so he should pay.
Stefan Tosev
10   Posted 05/10/2008 at 19:51:37

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Trevor Grant,
You wanna bet on that?
Joeynkoo Ludden
11   Posted 05/10/2008 at 19:52:17

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Two (of many) facts proven today:
1. Joe Kinnear matching David Moyes?s ability.
2. Nicky Butt matched Fellaini.

Makes you think which club is in crisis.
Marc Williams
12   Posted 05/10/2008 at 19:54:18

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Stefan Tosev - I?d check out the fixture list if I were you mate!
It may be closer than you think.

I really worry where our next points are coming from!
Iain Thomson
13   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:00:18

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It's more than should he stay or go... It's do we make a manager who has never won anything, and has been at our club for 7 yrs one of best paid? The football is for the most part poor... and we are considering offering him the sort of contract that basically makes him unsackable, as the pay off would be enormous.

With the exception of Wenger and Ferguson in the modern game, long dynasties don't exist as things go stale....
Kieran Kinsella
14   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:06:55

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Marc Williams

Why would Moyes's pay affect his performance? You suggest that if he can do this on £35k a week just imagine what he can do on £70k a week, which begs the question: Is he only giving it 50% now?
Dave Wilson
15   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:02:38

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If you're looking for a culprit, look no further than The Yak. A schoolboy wouldn't have surrendered possession so stupidly when we only needed to be sensible for less than a minute.

This guy has missed golden opportunities to win matches for us this season, but seems to be above blame.

He?s cost us far more than 2 points today.
Varun Rajwade
16   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:06:48

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MOYES is not the best paid manager out there, in fact even with this new contract, his pay is inline with those of MON etc. Lower than Juande Ramos, KK and the like.

Further, how do you intend to give him a contract, a pay-as-the game type or a 1-year extension? Again, is that just reward, for a person who has taken a sinking ship, stabilized it, done some neat achievements and (though we are struggling now) overall has done a good job...
Stephen Stuart
17   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:18:44

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Deckchairs.

Titanic.
Marc Williams
18   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:18:13

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Kieran - I was being Sarcastic !

I?m dumbfounded that we are about to reward failure with a double your money deal.

Varun - I?d let his contract run down & review it in January & the summer. Why give him a £17 million deal when his body language says he?s given up. Also why saddle any new owner with a potential massive pay off, if he doesn?t improve and turn things round.
Alex Taylor
19   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:23:24

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Took my lass to her first home game ever. She really enjoyed the first half, laughing, cheering clapping as we stuck two past the mags.

Second half she sat dejectedly as I hurled abuse at that shower of shite. Her final words?

"But we used to be good last season..."

Walking back to the car, some drunk mag shouted: "Two nil, and you fucked it up."

I gritted my teeth and had to agree really. In terms of form, they are the worst team in the league and we managed to chuck a two goal lead away to them.

Get your head out the sand, Varun. Time for a change.
Mike Oates
20   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:26:30

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The positives today :-
- Felliani will definitely come good, he links well and I thought his goal today was excellent - went in where it hurts.
- Lescott and Jags will form a good partnership
- Pinnear another game to get fit , and also looking good in 1st half
- Baines contributed so much

The negatives
- Arteta’s contribution as player and captain
- we once again lost the ball in our own half (Yak today , Arteta in Derby) and within 5 secs we’ve conceded, with a defender ball watching (Hibbert today , Yobo in Derby) basic errors
- confidence is at all time low , and today wont have helped.
steve hunter
21   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:27:09

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at least the little red bastard didnt get a 95th minute winner for them, come on boys lets look on the bright side if there is one !
Stefan Tosev
22   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:47:26

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I’m willing to take this bet if anyone wants
sean condon
23   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:48:18

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I can barely remember how excited I was when the Yak equalized at Stamford Bridge last winter. Or how optimistic I was while watching us take City apart at Eastlands. It all seems so fucking long ago.
Chris Matty
24   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:55:12

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Moysey should stay... but he should be made to give up his part time tv acting career (for which I blame Bill Kenwright, of course...)

http://www.hbo.com/rome/cast/character/lucius_vorenus.html
Rob Foy
25   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:54:31

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Anyone else feel the game just passes Felliani by? Newcastle deserved more than a point out of us today, 2 off the line and other chances. And still people singing Moyes’ name.

If we give him the contract he is after, it will make us even more unattractive to any prospective buyer as to fuck him off will cost a fortune. GET RID NOW!
steve hunter
26   Posted 05/10/2008 at 20:57:23

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am i missin somethin here stefan, are you a bluenose or what? you sound like red shite to me bruv, ill take your bet though !

Damien kennedy
27   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:01:39

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I beg to differ about fact that Fellaini will come good , He wins less headers than Peter Crouch, another lanky streak of P***. He is extremely slow, wants too long on the ball and couldnt time an egg. Looks like £15M badly spent to me .
Damien kennedy
28   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:01:39

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I beg to differ about fact that Fellaini will come good , He wins less headers than Peter Crouch, another lanky streak of P***. He is extremely slow, wants too long on the ball and couldnt time an egg. Looks like £15M badly spent to me .
Anthony Millington
29   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:00:21

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It’s pathetic, 4 homes games 3 defeats and 1 draw and next up are Arsenal and Man U. We’re gona be miles behind the likes of Villa and
Man City this season. How things change so quickly. I think Yakubu needs dropping, he’s not a team player and doesn’t work anywhere near hard enough and when he gives the ball away he just stands still and shrugs his shoulders (like for newcastle’s first goal). I would have liked to see someone more enthusiastic, who would give 100% effort to the cause and put Newcastle under pressure brought on earlier with a good 30/20 minutes to go like James Vaughan. Yakubu thinks he’s untouchable, so lets’ see someone else get a chance at his expense for his pathetic and larthargic performances.
John Martin
30   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:06:07

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Why are people bothered how Liverpool are doing, they are light years above us on all levels. We need to concentrate on our problems.
Alex Taylor
31   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:06:18

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Not sure about the game passing Felliani by. He scored after all. Saha was terrible today. A complete passenger. Can’t dribble and can’t shoot.
Nilesh Tailor
32   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:09:17

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I think when Newcastle scored their first goal was the killer one, cause I felt we came out feeling quite nervous for the 2nd half. The confidence in the team has totally gone since the start of the season. Some of the big players again today went missing: Arteta, Yakubu.

Looking at the next two fixtures against Arsenal and Man United, it's looking very bleak. I am worried at the mo and it this continues, then it's going to be a relegation battle this season. I do think Baines, Jags, Pienaar, Osman, Fellaini had decent games. I was please he scored today.

Kieran Kinsella
33   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:12:16

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Everyone is bitching about Yak but isn?t it reasonable to think that if you keep scoring goals that at some point your defenders might keep a clean sheet? To my mind a lot of our problems in the second half were cause by Hibbert and Baines having a contest to see who could leave the most room possible for the opposition's wide men. Also it finally looked early on as if Jag and Lescott were playing a bit more confidently until that loud mouth Grobelaar wannabee started flapping his arms around and running all over the box. I would love to have the Sun do an undercover meeting with and a South African businessman to see if he is really "unpredictable" or supplementing his income elsewhere.
Colin Malone
34   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:28:07

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Fellaini is shite. He's in the most important position on the field. He is clueless. We've all seen it today, the defence wasn't getting protected, the forwards were not getting any service, just hoofballs. And when Fellaini should've been replaced by Castillo... What does Moyes do? He brings on another forward. FFS.

I'm telling you for sure, if Carsley was here, we would not have these frailties in our defence or forward line. If Felliani is worth £15 mill, Carsley is worth £20 mill.

We've got to get this position sorted very soon and that means dropping Fellaini.

Ian Edwards
35   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:31:55

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Fellaini was lucky to stay on the pitch today and if he doesn't sort himself out he will end up getting sent off many times. Every time Newcastle had the ball he was tripping and elbowing and grabbing especially at corners, he can't tackle either.

We were clueless today and I thought we badly missed Neville.
Tony Part
36   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:33:54

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Fellaini isn't shite. He is playing in a shite team and for a shite manager who is grossly over-rated and being given a ludicrous contract for past half achievements by a sentimental chairman who is too scared to try and move Everton into the unknown. Fellaini is continually called a replacement for Carsley. Lee Carsley was a defensive midfielder who did the dirty work very well; Fellaini is more of a box-to-box midfielder than a defensive one.

And also Carsley had years of experience behind him; Fellaini is only 20 and when you come into a struggling team at that age, it's going to be hard work, believe me ? especially when you make the most elementary schoolboy mistakes that we do.

It was the same for Rodwell. He is a young lad who was expected to come into a team that had been ravaged through the sales of too many key players, to make a big difference, and the fact is he looked completely out of his depth positionally against Portsmouth and Blackburn.

Our manager should not have let so many key players leave the club during the summer without having the slightest inkling of what he was going to go with for this season and as a result we look a disjointed, inept and immobile team.

I could pick out individuals that have been here for years such as Tony Hibbert being our worst right back in recent memory for the amount of times he is caught ball watching or the amount of times in his seven years in our team that he gets out-jumped on that back post by the opposing man, and that's not getting started on his ability to put the ball out of play every game from a pass/cross when under no pressure from anyone.

I could say our goalkeeper is having his worst spell since he joined the club and that is not helping matters at all. I could say that Lescott has struggled woefully from third season syndrome rather than second...

I could say we should never have sold Andy Johnson because only now are we realising and seeing that we can no longer thump the ball into no-man's-land near the corner flag for AJ to chase the usual lost cause. We don't have that kind of pace anymore.

I could say why, in Moyes's 6½ years have we never had any genuine wide players for either the right or the left midfield, the ones he has signed have never been up to the task, such as Simon Davies, but he has never corrected that problem, which is why we are left with the likes of Anichebe stuck out there ? or Cahill on Thursday.

Moyes has to take a fair whack of the blame for all that has gone wrong over the summer. I for one am really staring to lose faith and I wont even bother listening to the Arsenal game as I am well used to the fact now that Everton do not spring a surprise and win that calibre of match and it's exactly the type of game we havent won for a decade, no win at a top four club since 1999.

Come the Fulham game, it will be a six-pointer at Goodison and we may as well get used to the idea of it. Ignoring the fact that a relegation battle is on the horizon is just plain stupid. Maybe Ipswich fans called George Burley the messiah too. After all, he got Ipswich fifth just nine months after getting them promoted on an even smaller budget than David Moyes.
Just food for thought...

Iain Love
37   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:42:26

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I didn?t cheer when we scored or blink when they got back into it. I was like the players: passionless. Also, like the players, I didn?t BELIEVE we would win.... AT HOME AGAINST 2nd bottom.
Colin Malone
38   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:01:50

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Tony.
Only time will tell, but up to now he ain't good enough.
Neil Patten
39   Posted 05/10/2008 at 21:51:44

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I hate to say it but the players most at fault today are the ones that everyone worships and we really count on. Namely Arteta, Yak and especially Howard. They were poor. Really poor. Fellaini, Pienaar (first half), Ossie, Baines and especially Jags were ok today. At least they wanted to play football.

Yes Newcastle were poor but Yak was piss poor in giving the ball away and Howard should have collected the cross for the first goal. That transformed what up until then was a very good first half performance.

For some reason, individual mistakes are completely fucking up our season. We desperately need something from the next 2 games. Unfortunately I can?t see it happening. Can anyone else? Getting very worried.

I can see the benefit in continuation with Moyes but what sort of chairman offers a manager a double your money contract for 5 years when your club is in the relegation zone? Madness!
James Marshall
40   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:10:06

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Moyes has no idea what his best system is, Castillo should clearly be playing the holding role to protect our awful defence at the moment.

With Cahill out we’re forced to play 442 which none of these players is really used to - Fellaini is a decent player, he’s only 20 though and struggling for all the reasons Tony mentions - having a pop at him is nonsense.

Passionless? I dont agree, lacking confidence? Definately.
Stefan Tosev
41   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:03:19

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Steve Hunter,
I am an Evertonian and I think that although we are having bad period it's not appropriate after 7 games to be calling for the manager's head and fans predicting that we are going to be bottom of the table are simply deluded so I am willing to bet against that we will be bottom of the table anytime this season.

English is not my mother language so maybe I so if there was a misunderstanding I apologise about that.
James Marshall
42   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:16:01

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Neil - we?re 15th, that's not the relegation zone mate.
Neil Patten
43   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:17:31

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James ? let's see in a couple of weeks shall we?

Arsenal and Utd next.

Dean Adams
44   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:20:15

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Personally, I would accept a finish in the lower half this season, so long as I can see the proof of the building process that I hope and believe DM is attempting to produce. One step backwards doesnt mean relegation, but some people seem to hate everything that DM does as it makes them feel insignificant!! Thing is if we all pull together we might be successful.
Tony Williams
45   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:53:12

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It?s obviously Moyes?s fault, we should sack him etc etc. If your team scores two goals at home, you should be able to win a game. Lots of posters were calling Moyes negative, I?m fooking not surprised the way our defence is leaking goals at the moment.

We are scoring lots but conceeding more, it wouldn?t surprise me if we had more goals at this stage than last season... in fact..... just checked, we have one goal more than last year after seven games, we are attacking but can?t keep a clean sheet.

If Yak could stay on his feet (he is worse than Hesky at the moment) maybe we wouldn?t have conceded just before half-time. Let?s not forget he lost the ball on 20 yards for the defeat at Anfield, it doesn?t help the defence if the midfield and forwards give the ball away so easily in their own half.
Colin Malone
46   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:54:32

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The last time we were in this position was when we were lacking a holding player (Carsley was injured for 5 months). We need a holding player or we are never going to get possession of the ball, which puts our defence at risk.

Tony, if Fellaini is a box-to-box player, who was our holding player today? Watch out, Gerrard and Lampard...

Anj Stamos
47   Posted 05/10/2008 at 22:46:15

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Sean Condon,
It was Cahill that equalised at Stamford Bridge and not the Yak. And who was to blame for the goals? Goal 1 ? Yak for losing possession with his half-arsed flick so our defence were caught napping... Goal 2 ? Saha for not passing the ball when he had the chance then tried to take on 2 players and, alas, we lose possession once again & what happens then? Our defence caught napping again. Poor decision-making from so-called pros cost us in the end, not Moyes.
Richard Dodd
48   Posted 05/10/2008 at 23:14:00

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Davey will put everybody out of their misery by signing his new contract by Tuesday latest. As he has said, we are only a smidgeon away from where we were this time last year - and remember - we finished fifth! Without other distractions - on and off the pitch - he will now be able to concentrate on maximising our impact on the Prem. And by the way, the Media office tell me the Mail on Sunday story of an imminent takeover is ?pure tosh?.
David Edwards
49   Posted 05/10/2008 at 23:33:15

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James - Neil might be premature about the relegation zone, but only by a few weeks! With the next few matches and several teams below us who I honestly think are playing better football than us, we are well down there by November unless we kick arse! A point at home against the Toon is not good enough - end of story!
Richard Murray
50   Posted 05/10/2008 at 23:47:25

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUKTRE49434I20081005

Did you see this, boys?
Stephen Graham
51   Posted 06/10/2008 at 00:11:13

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Richard,

Manny wasn?t good enough for Davey, and that?s good enough for me, for Davey is an honourable man .....
Jay Harris
52   Posted 06/10/2008 at 03:25:20

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I think the problem is no strength in MF.

We haven't got a single ball winner.

Fellaini for all his ability is not a good tackler.

It?s coming to something when Leon Osman is the only MF player able to put a challenge in.

And why oh why did we let Fernandes go as well as Lee Carsley?

FFS I?d even have Nicky Butt at the moment.
Brian Wolf
53   Posted 06/10/2008 at 07:57:29

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Can Moyes not see that his failure to sign a contract is the reason for underperformance in the team.

Surely they are thinking, "Well, if he has no commitment, why should I?"I
James McCourt
54   Posted 06/10/2008 at 08:34:31

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Moyes ain't signed contract because he wants a clause in it saying that if Celtic come calling, Everton get no compensation.
Brian Waring
55   Posted 06/10/2008 at 08:53:48

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So Doddy, Moyes is going to sign by Tuesday now? I thought it was last Thursday, or the time before that you told us he would be signing? If you keep predicting, eventually you will be right. In my opinion though, I hope you are never right. And before anyone comes out with the usual "Who would replace him?" shite, that is not my job, that is down to the bullshitter to work out.
Mike Homfray
56   Posted 06/10/2008 at 09:08:53

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I think to try and blame all the current problems on the loss of Carsley is a bit of a cop-out. Yes, Carsley was a consistent player, solid, reliable, rarely injured last season. But he wasn?t world-class and his departure - to Birmingham City, not Man Utd - can?t be blamed for what appears to be an almost totally different team.

If any one player has lost form it is Joleon Lescott. Hard to know what is happening there. And we don?t seem to have any pace any more.
Tony Part
57   Posted 06/10/2008 at 09:15:51

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It's like I said, Fellaini is not a defensive midfielder. He is a different type of player than Carsley. You try asking Fank Lampard to play the Carsley role... he couldnt do it. Moyes should have made sure he replaced Carsely with exactly like for like but he failed to do it. He has even failed to replace players like Fernandes and Stubbs and as I said we no longer have the pace of Johnson now.

Fellaini is not defensive, he is box to box. He was in the box yesterday and scored a goal, pretty much the same as what Cahill does in a match, Cahill does little in the way of creation or doesnt offer pace but he arrives in the box late and scores goals. I'm not for one minute suggesting Fellaini will get the goals Cahill has got but to say he is shit and cant play the Carsley role is ignorant.

As far as I can see Castillo was brought in to play that holding midfield role and with his international experience you would think he would be given more games, I certainly found it weird when Moyes picked a full back ( Neville) to play there ahead of him on Thursday.

The point I am trying to make is, after 6½ years in charge, Moyes still hasn't got the look or shape of the team anywhere near right; we play half-decent football for the quarter of a match then, like yesterday, when we are dragged level, we have no other answers other than to revert to long-ball-type.

Give Newcastle their due, at least even at 2-2 they were knocking it around on the floor and two players I wouldn't mind from them is N?Zogbia and Duff.

As I said under Moyes we have never corrected our wide position area by bringing in men who can go past a full back, even Pienaar is not that type of player who is going to go past one or two players, Pienaar's main strengths are his deftness of touch, likewise Arteta, likewise Osman... there is nobody there to get behind a defence and I am sorry but David Moyes is the manager, Everton have currently the sixth most expensively assembled squad in the Premier League so he cannot keep blaming money, and he has failed to rectify too many glaring problems in my opinion.

Patty Beesley
58   Posted 06/10/2008 at 09:24:46

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Let’s take heart from tjhe performance - we played better football [could it be our Phil wasn’t playing]? I honestly think that if Tim Cahill had been playing we might have swung it - the game was made for him. Yakubu tried hard but he is just not pulling off the goals - why? As for Saha I am yet to be impressed.
Thought Anchibe shoudl have been on earlier.

Man City were 2 up on Liverpool and lost the game - albeit they were reduced to 10 men but if they couldn’t win at home when 2 - 0 up with their stars [ Robinho etc] then perhaps we didn’t do too badly. I thought Newcastle played much better than expected - perhaps they are fed up with being slagged off as well.
Stephen Stuart
59   Posted 06/10/2008 at 09:25:53

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I saw Moyes in an interview on Sky about the current situation regarding his contract yesterday. It seemed to be in soft focus and all that was missing was some slushy background music. I heard Moyes say that he wanted to sign this contract before the Newcastle game but it is with solicitors over the weekend so it could be he will sign the thing early this week... but it wasn?t too clear. So, no he still hasn?t signed the contract.

I got the impression he was auditioning for Bill?s new musical ?Can?t Smile? based on the Barry Manilow song ? all eye contact and deliberate voice control. It was, for me, a sham, set up purely for the media. If his acting is as good as his managerial skills I hope he doesn?t sign up... 5 more years of this shit will be the end of the club!!
Paul Gladwell
60   Posted 06/10/2008 at 09:43:10

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Doddy one smidgeon away from last year! We are out of two cups a few weeks into the season, is that like last year? It is almost certain we will start November in the bottom three is that like fucking last year? Hull have beaten Newcastle,Arsenal and Spurs all away in the space of three weeks, we have not beaten all them away in 15 years 6 of those years due to your hero and his negative clueless tactical attitude,

I hope you can come back before that first game in November and tell me I was wrong but you have no chance it just wont happen, Arsenal, Utd and Bolton away, how many points are you expecting from those games?

Mike Williams
61   Posted 06/10/2008 at 09:44:48

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The reason David Moyes has to go is not just because of the woeful start to this season but because in his whole tenure at the club he has 100% failed to teach the players to play football. And this is at the root of all our problems: the nervousness of the the defence; why strikers turn to shit; why we can’t *consistently* achieve anything; why we crash out of cups; and roll over for the shite. I don’t think that should be rewarded with another five years.

This opinion is not based on what’s happened just this season but observation of virtually every home game under Moyes management. I’m not saying we haven’t had some good ones and I’m not saying Moyes has achieved nothing. I am saying he has demonstrated that he has been at limit of his managerial abilities for far too long. We need somebody better.
John Pickles
62   Posted 06/10/2008 at 09:42:04

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What a spineless bunch of backstabbers you are. Without a fraction of the money the top clubs have, we have had 3 top six finishes in the last few years. Just because we have screwed up the start of this season (which is down to small-time Billy’s destruction of club morale) you want to get rid of the only manager in the last 20 years to have put us regularly in the top half of the table. Only a couple of seasons ago another ’small’ (because thanks to Kenwright, that’s exactly what we now are) club’s so called fans (Charlton) hounded out Curbishly because ’he had taken them as far as he can’ , where are they now?
Get a grip you’re starting to sound like the RS fans we laugh at on the phone in’s!
Kieran Kinsella
63   Posted 06/10/2008 at 10:34:25

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Tony Part

Please don’t compare Screech with Frank Lampard. He isn’t a Carsley you’re right but he sure as hell isn’t a Lampard. I am not sure what he is in fact since he can’t jump for headers, pass more than 6 feet, pass forward at all or tackle.
Colin Malone
64   Posted 06/10/2008 at 10:31:27

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We need a ball winner in midfield to take the pressure off Lescott and co.
Teams are just walking through our midfield.
Someone like Scott Parker who could sweep up and then give it to the likes of Arteta and Pienaar but at the moment we have to wait till one of our defenders win the ball to get posssesion, and then its hoofball.
Steve Syder
65   Posted 06/10/2008 at 10:57:12

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Calling for a manager’s head seven games into the season is ridiculous.

Calling for it after six and a half years of winning fuck all and playing piss poor football, however, is extremely patient.

Get the contract off the table fast and tell Moyes to fuck off and take his dithering in the transfer market, his hoofball and his fear of any half-decent team with him.
David Johnson
66   Posted 06/10/2008 at 10:55:10

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I happen to be a bit of a Moyes fan but even I am beginning to lose patience. His interview on Sky yesterday raised a few questions and I am not sure if he should share the blame for our shambolic summer. I always had the feeling that it was BK bullshitting Dave like he bullshits us but now wonder if Moyes was playing silly little games too.

I think that if the club had stated early in the summer that we wouldn't in real terms be spending any money, that after initial disappointment we would have pulled together. All I got from Moyes's interview yesterday is that he is just going through the motions and wonder if we would be better off parting company.

He is a good manager but something tells me he's lost that desire he once had in abundance. If that's the case let him move on and maybe club and manager will rekindle some passion. But then again, this is Everton and we can't believe anything until we see it with our own eyes. I may have him totally wrong and that's the problem at our club. Who the fuck would know? Bullshit, Bullshit, and more fucking Bullshit...

Eddie O'Neill
67   Posted 06/10/2008 at 10:42:17

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Jayus, I just don?t know what to think anymore. Everyone?s just panicing, and shouting off and so on. Hang on a min guys... step back a little and have a longer look at things here.

Now I was never Moyes?s biggest fan (especially his tactics) but to blame him for yestersday's shite is fucking madness. He sent out a good side (on paper) to do a job...... they did, and went 2 goals up. And then the SAME team fall apart....and you fucking blame Moyes????

I?m sick of this shite of protecting the players all the time, it?s become a joke. I?ve heard all the excuses now for the players who play for us..... Oh he?s carrying an injury... Oh he?s been played out of position..... Oh he?s not getting the service.... Oh he needs more games under his belt.... Oh Moyes hasn?t signed his contract..... Oh it was very fucking cold yesterday....

Come on, lads, get fucking real. We have a team of average players (because that?s all we can afford) and half of them couldn?t give a fuck, simple as. I suppose yesterday was Moyes's fault because he had Neville sitting in the stand.... FFS. Also, I just can?t believe this Carsley thing. Last year, both he and Neville were the most slagged of players week-in, week-out.... he has no pace.... he has no vision.... he can?t pass the ball 2 yards.... he?s too fucking old..... Now this year we?re shite cause he was sold??????

I give up! Look closer guys...it?s the players...THE PLAYERS!!!!!!!

Stephen Stuart
68   Posted 06/10/2008 at 12:04:35

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John Pickles,
"What a spineless bunch of backstabbers you are."

Is that the best you can do?
Tony Part
69   Posted 06/10/2008 at 12:26:55

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Moyes has wasted untold money at Everton, let's face it, and we still haven't got a good football team. We sold Rooney and he had the best part of that £28 million to spend in 2005 but wasted it on Beattie (crocked striker who couldn't play with our formation) , Krøldrup for £5 million, Simon Davies for 4 million, Van der Meyde and a couple of others that were never going to make any difference such as Ferrari.

All that money from the Rooney deal and look at the season we came up with in 2005-06. One goal scored by the end of October, out of three cup competitions at the first time of asking, and losing games 4-0 to Bolton, West Brom and Aston Villa. As soon as Moyes has money to spend, he still can't get it right.

A good manager at a club that doesn't have expectations in my opinion.

Brian Wolf
70   Posted 06/10/2008 at 12:34:14

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Only one man to blame for the destruction of our defense.

Step forward STEVE ROUND.

It’s obvious whatever he’s bringing to the table should be sent back to the chef because it’s not cooked properly.
David Johnson
71   Posted 06/10/2008 at 13:05:16

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Just curious, Brian, how long was Round at Newcastle and did he ever get to grips with Newcastle's obvious defensive problems?
Anthony Millington
72   Posted 06/10/2008 at 12:52:12

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Tony Part you say Fellaini wasn?t a replacement for Carsley, then what was he bought for? When Casrley and Fernandes left, we needed to replace them by bringing in a strong ball winner and a creative player who can make us tick and this Fellaini appears to be neither! Why the hell has Moyes paid 15 million for him then?! Why has he not signed a top quality creative midfielder for cheaper in Fernandes?!

I?m fed up of listening to people defending him on here, "it?s not Moyes? fault, it?s the players fault", what sort of argument is that? Who buys the players, chooses the team, tells them the tactics and is paid a fortune to motivate them and get them prepared?

Also the amount of times Moyes throws players in who aren?t match fit is astonishing and does anyone know why he does it? I do, it?s because he hasn?t signed enough players as back up for when players are injured and it?s costing us goals e.g. Tony Hibbert against Standard Liege and his marking for both the goals against Newcastle!

Don?t get me wrong some of the players need a kick up the backside, especially Yakubu because unlike the rest of the team he doesn?t play with any passion or commitment whatsoever, he is one of the laziest players I have ever seen!

Ben Mallett
73   Posted 06/10/2008 at 13:02:33

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What a stupid post, Brian Wolf! How the hell can you just heap all the blame on Round? Don?t you think it has to be shared by Kenwright (because he?s a pauper), Moyes, because he?s such a limited manager and let?s not forget the players ? they might just have something to do with it!!!
Gary Creaney
74   Posted 06/10/2008 at 13:12:19

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Ok, so we?re sitting on 8 points after 7 games in 15th place. We?re playing two of the country?s best sides next. We may score 1 goal in each of those games (probably not) which will obviously not be enough because our defense will leak at least 2 goals per game. That will leave us in a terrible position especially if Spurs and Newcastle start getting win which is inevitably going to start happening.

But one thing I will say is that I don?t believe Moyes can be blamed for the way the defense is performing. He has dropped Yobo who was probably the most error prone, he is playing Hibbert due to injuries to Neville and Jacobsen, he is playing Baines which is what everyone was calling out for. Fact of the matter is, Yakubu gave the ball away yesterday when the defense were on their way out and Geremi cleverly put the ball to our weakest area, right back.. GOAL!!
Given the fragile nature of our defenders this season, it was the worst possible thing that could have happened.
I fail to see how the blame lies with DM or BK.

Eddie O'Neill is right, its the players.
Stephen Stuart
75   Posted 06/10/2008 at 13:39:04

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Ben Mallet, I agree with you although some are more guilty than others.

Talking about good investments, when is Andy van der Meyde, the forgotten man of this Premier League chasing side, going to be fit for contention? We might need him soon. How long has it been.... 3 years on full pay.... can anyone remember what he looks like? Wish I had a job like his! Then again, I think I?m too good for this lot... hehe!!
Eddie O'Neill
76   Posted 06/10/2008 at 13:39:40

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Anthony Millington..... What do you mean "it?s the players' fault... what kind of argument is that? " Yes, Moyes buys the players; yes, he gives them the tactics; yes, he?s supposed to motivate them... but Jayus is he responsible for Yakubu fuck arse?n with the ball.... and Howard stay?n on his line for the first goal?? Come on for fuck sake, these are grown men, professional footballers, is Moyes supposed to wipe their fucking arses when they have a shite?

They need more than a kick in the arse mate. It?s the same all over football today... not just Everton.... the players get too much protection. The likes of Sky et all make excuses for these players all the time.... Andy Gray is typical... Player misses open goal... Gray says, "Oh I think there was a bobble on the pitch there" ? give me a fucking break will ya!

Gary Creaney
77   Posted 06/10/2008 at 14:10:42

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In a recent interview Moyes said:
"Players who were reliable for us last season have suddenly become unreliable".

That just about sums it up for me. At the back there?s no real changes DM can make as we?ve got limited personnel. Centre back has got to be from Lescott, Yobo, Jags (maybe Rodwell), right back from Neville and Hibbert (Jacobsen when fit), and left back from Baines, Valente and Lescott. Various permeatations of those players have been tried this year with the same result...... goals leaked.

Undoubtedly there is ongoing training to try and rectify this (Moyes etc doing their jobs) but ultimately the players need to shape up.

If we?d have conceded one goal less in every game, which should have been highly possible, we wouldn?t be having this discussion.
Anthony Hughes
78   Posted 06/10/2008 at 14:54:49

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Anthony Millington, why slag the Yak off? Who wants runners? headless chickens, we have just sold one of those hardly burst the net every week did he?? Yakubu has scored 26 goals in 45 games for us, ffs ? how much more do you want???
Anthony Millington
79   Posted 06/10/2008 at 23:47:46

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Why slag the Yak off? Because he is lazy and doesn’t try hard enough! How is that for an answer! How about the other day, he loses the ball and stands till and watches them score and shrugs his shoulders. In the 2nd half Saha lost the ball and chased back to try and win it, it’s called working for the team and Yakubu should try it sometime. I’m not arguing that he doesn’t score goals, but come on you must see the frustration watching him, because if he put the effort and workrate in he could be such a better player, but it looks like we’ll just settle for his lazy performances. And he’s the one player in our team that dives when there is no contact on him, why can he not just stay on his feet and try and score?? Because that’s the harder option for him!
Brian Wolf
80   Posted 07/10/2008 at 07:27:53

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Er Ben Mallett If you read my post properly I said there was only one man to blame for our defensive problems.

Not the problems with the whole club, is Kenwright coaching the defence? Nope. So how is it his fault?

Did we have one of the better defences in the league last year? Yes
So how is it the players fault?

Maybe you should learn to read before you have a kneejerk reaction to replying to posts.

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