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I just read the Times over my tea & toast. In my humble opinion it has become the best read & most reliable content in the last year or two amongst the "quality" press.
Here's the article regarding the apparent impending sale, or certainly expected offers, for Everton. What's notable here is the apparent difference in emphasis in the strategies for selling Everton and selling Newcastle, both of which are being handled by Keith Harris' company.
It also mentions that other satanic master of mystery and all round black prince, Philip Green. This unsuccessful billionaire and patently clueless businessman has seemingly had the temerity to advise Bill Kenwright (they are friends, can you believe it!). Don't know about you, but I smell a rat, and a black one at that. Advice? Guarantees? Introductions to potential investors? What next...
The suggestion is that Everton's sale is being handled with greater patience and diligence than Newcastle's. For those who know Kenwright, and it's no surprise whatsoever, is that he cares who takes over the club. Such due diligence on future ownership can only go so far, but it reflects Kenwright's convictions and his colours.
If I were a Geordie reading the article I'd be saddened. Astley is looking for a quick fire-sale and hopefully a fast buck. Contrary to the ludicrous suggestions of the Kenwright haters on this forum (and just watch them respond to this article :-) he is out to give Everton much much more than he would ever take from us.
For some the grass is always greener and the glass is always half empty. Actually I think the journalist is clearly a "friend" of Kenwright's. Either that or he has been drugged into submission by Everton's satanic PR machine into giving us good copy.
The thing is, if all this does actually go through as some expect, who or what will these doom-merchants, scare mongers and blame merchants put the knife into next?
Watch this space :-)
Alan Kirwin, Posted 06/10/2008 at 08:52:35
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Michael Kenrick
Er... according to 'Richard Dodd', a member of this parish who is "very close to the Media office", the stories about a takeover are "a load of bunkum".
What's an "unsuccessful billionaire"??
Graeme Sharp also confirmed on the post match phone-in on Radio City last night that the stories circulating in the Sunday tabloids are total fiction regarding the aformentioned take-over. In my humble opinion any potential suitors are only likely to show their hand once the public enquiry into the DK fiasco has been concluded.
Alan Kirwin, you just realised you ended your article on a very poor point. You're trying to threaten the doom merchants with "what might happpen" in the near future? Have you got a crystal ball?
Good one Mark Murphy.
I?m all for due dilligence...but it has taken 8 years for Kenwright to even suggest that he is not endowed to be in his current position...I?ll repeat..8 YEARS TO COME TO THAT CONCLUSION...
There?s also another little subtlety that is quite revealing from that 8 YEARS timespan...
If the club was sold for the upwards of 200Mill being quoted in the press..then Kenwright and co...would stand to make approximately 900% profit on his initial investment....
So while all the apologists, congratulate Kenwright on his due dilligence...perhaps they?d like to take a step back and realise what (or how much)...?the right offer? actually means to Mr Kenwright and his merry band of Spurs supporters.
There?s also another little subtlety that is quite revealing from that 8 YEARS timespan...
If the club was sold for the upwards of 200Mill being quoted in the press..then Kenwright and co...would stand to make approximately 900% profit on his initial investment....
So while all the apologists, congratulate Kenwright on his due dilligence...perhaps they?d like to take a step back and realise what (or how much)...?the right offer? actually means to Mr Kenwright and his merry band of Spurs supporters.
I guess any interested party(ies) would not want to release news of their intent until after a deal is done. Therefore, EFC saying their is no deal on the table is rather encouraging. Had Black Bill come out and said something like "I expect a deal to be done in the next 24 hours" or "watch this space" or "contracts will be signed by next Tuesday" (swap the word Tuesday for any other day of the week and repeat ad infinitum) then we would all know that there is definately no takeover on the cards. You have to learn how to understand BK - generally, the reverse of what he says is normally the more acurate.
Yeah, would also like to know how you are viewed as successful in your eyes Alan? Self made billionaire not a clear indicator? Harsh.
Yeah, would also like to know how you are viewed as successful in your eyes Alan? Self made billionaire not a clear indicator? Harsh.
Shaun Brennan: Just re-checked my article and,no, no threat of any kind. Since when is a question a threat? What on earth are you talking about?
Mark Murphy, Gary Creaney: Have you ever heard of irony? If you look you will see it scattered all over my article. Hope that’s clear.
Joeynkoo: Good post & sorry, as I said, it was all meant to be ironic (i.e. I tend to believe the opposite of what was written).
Ciaran McGlone makes a strong point.
Kenwright claims that he has bound the future of Everton FC to Kirkby in the best interests of the club. I would believe him - if his intention was for the club to be owned by some cash-poor Chairman like his good self for the foreseeable future.
But he wants to sell. He tells us that his clear conscious wants to sell to a billionaire who can improve the buying power, infrastructure and facilities at Everton.
So why not let that person - or group of people (if they exist) - decide how they want the club to progress? Surely any prospective buyer would not want to be hamstrung by a move out of the city - a move already known as hugely unpopular with a large number of the fanbase - when that move is largely made redundant by their arrival at the club, and the autonomy to decide how they choose to proceed.
If money was no object - and it is a massive object to Kenwright (an unmoveable object in fact) because he hasn’t got enough - then surely there would be no need for the Tesco intervention - and no need for Kirkby.
Obviously money is an object - any prospective buyer wants to get a good deal for their purchase; but really the person who is looking for the best possible deal is Kenwright. He knows that with the Tesco deal locked up then he can add several million (perhaps even as much as £50 million) to his asking price.
Kenwright is the person that stands to profit from Kirkby; it’s a win-win for him. A way of getting a new stadium on the cheap if he is unable to get his asking price - and a way of upping the asking price without putting any more of his own money into the club.
He may dress it up as the only way for the club to proceed, but it all smacks of an old dog with a rubbish hand at the poker table who has got greedy for the chips and does not believe that anyone can call his bluff.
Kenwright claims that he has bound the future of Everton FC to Kirkby in the best interests of the club. I would believe him - if his intention was for the club to be owned by some cash-poor Chairman like his good self for the foreseeable future.
But he wants to sell. He tells us that his clear conscious wants to sell to a billionaire who can improve the buying power, infrastructure and facilities at Everton.
So why not let that person - or group of people (if they exist) - decide how they want the club to progress? Surely any prospective buyer would not want to be hamstrung by a move out of the city - a move already known as hugely unpopular with a large number of the fanbase - when that move is largely made redundant by their arrival at the club, and the autonomy to decide how they choose to proceed.
If money was no object - and it is a massive object to Kenwright (an unmoveable object in fact) because he hasn’t got enough - then surely there would be no need for the Tesco intervention - and no need for Kirkby.
Obviously money is an object - any prospective buyer wants to get a good deal for their purchase; but really the person who is looking for the best possible deal is Kenwright. He knows that with the Tesco deal locked up then he can add several million (perhaps even as much as £50 million) to his asking price.
Kenwright is the person that stands to profit from Kirkby; it’s a win-win for him. A way of getting a new stadium on the cheap if he is unable to get his asking price - and a way of upping the asking price without putting any more of his own money into the club.
He may dress it up as the only way for the club to proceed, but it all smacks of an old dog with a rubbish hand at the poker table who has got greedy for the chips and does not believe that anyone can call his bluff.
Andrew: Points very well made. My reading is that Kirkby is only way forward if things don’t change (i.e. ownership, funds etc). The fact that Bk might personally profit in some way if the club is sold is, to me, irrelevant. It would be sold at the going price. Assuming the buyer is not stupid (and if it’s a billionaire who’s surname isn’t Astley then it’s a reasonable assumption) then due diligence will confirm the value.
I just wonder, even if we are acquired by a billionaire or a sovereign wealth fund, how they would view the idea of spending £200 - 300m (at least) to fund a viable stadium. As things stand, the only opportunity for funding appears to be for Kirkby, or for a shared stadium (my personal preference).
Whatever his knockers suggest, I do not regard Kenwright as greedy in the slightest. I think in his heart of hearts he would love to keep going with Everton and somehow fund our growth year on year. It is incredible that this man’s acknowledgement of his inability to satisfy the demands of his manager and his fans is viewed as greedy or selfish.
And as for Clarn McGlone, I can only imagine that Kenwright must have run over your dog or something. You make such persistent, ignorant and abusive accusations about Kenwright that they barely warrant a response. I’m trying to recall the size of the queue of offers to buy the club from Peter Johnson, and indeed potential suitors since Kenwright took over. I’m assuming, given the strength of your convictions, that you can help us on this. Who are they exactly?
I just wonder, even if we are acquired by a billionaire or a sovereign wealth fund, how they would view the idea of spending £200 - 300m (at least) to fund a viable stadium. As things stand, the only opportunity for funding appears to be for Kirkby, or for a shared stadium (my personal preference).
Whatever his knockers suggest, I do not regard Kenwright as greedy in the slightest. I think in his heart of hearts he would love to keep going with Everton and somehow fund our growth year on year. It is incredible that this man’s acknowledgement of his inability to satisfy the demands of his manager and his fans is viewed as greedy or selfish.
And as for Clarn McGlone, I can only imagine that Kenwright must have run over your dog or something. You make such persistent, ignorant and abusive accusations about Kenwright that they barely warrant a response. I’m trying to recall the size of the queue of offers to buy the club from Peter Johnson, and indeed potential suitors since Kenwright took over. I’m assuming, given the strength of your convictions, that you can help us on this. Who are they exactly?
Alan
if I was that potential investor/s I would want to carefully check the market research and costings done of the various options on a stadium move BEFORE the move was made..
In this case, none have been done professionally so before investing an assumed extra £150 million on a championship standard stadium with desparately limited transport plans built on contaminated land I would like to look at other options and even if they cost £50 or 100 million more than if they give a much better return on investment and got 100 % backing from the supporters that is the route I would take.
What you don't realise is that for people with serious wealth they look for quality then cost.
Not what is the minimum they can get away with paying for shite as Kenwright does.
if I was that potential investor/s I would want to carefully check the market research and costings done of the various options on a stadium move BEFORE the move was made..
In this case, none have been done professionally so before investing an assumed extra £150 million on a championship standard stadium with desparately limited transport plans built on contaminated land I would like to look at other options and even if they cost £50 or 100 million more than if they give a much better return on investment and got 100 % backing from the supporters that is the route I would take.
What you don't realise is that for people with serious wealth they look for quality then cost.
Not what is the minimum they can get away with paying for shite as Kenwright does.
Alan,
Perhaps you like to explain or validate your accusations that I have made ’ignorant and abusive accusations about Kenwright’?
You wouldn’t be throwing abusive accusations about, now would you?
I take umbrage from your selective ability to exercise the merit of the point being made. Perhaps my point was too hard hitting for you to actually address directly - however its quite amusing that you did so indirectly through MrKeatley’s post.
Or maybe you’re just offended by the facts of the matter..
Either way, if you cannot take the criticism your an article merits - then perhaps you should keep your plainly partisan, and thoroughly high browed, Sunday times-reading thoughts to yourself.
Regards.
Perhaps you like to explain or validate your accusations that I have made ’ignorant and abusive accusations about Kenwright’?
You wouldn’t be throwing abusive accusations about, now would you?
I take umbrage from your selective ability to exercise the merit of the point being made. Perhaps my point was too hard hitting for you to actually address directly - however its quite amusing that you did so indirectly through MrKeatley’s post.
Or maybe you’re just offended by the facts of the matter..
Either way, if you cannot take the criticism your an article merits - then perhaps you should keep your plainly partisan, and thoroughly high browed, Sunday times-reading thoughts to yourself.
Regards.
There have been 16 this year, Alan, according to Kenwright at the EGM; however, he claims they were not the right men. God knows how many have asked while he's been in charge.
Jay Harris:
"What you don't realise is that for people with serious wealth they look for quality then cost."
How exactly are you able to suggest what I do or don?t understand about people with serious wealth? For the record, I and my associates work across the globe for and with people of great wealth and I am fully conversant with the needs of people with both wealth and taste. What about you? How do you know such things? Always ask, never assume.
Clarn McGlone: I?m sorry, it could be me, but I just don?t understand your posts at all. They seem to be in a parallel universe to everything else. You're either slagging off Kenwright for the crimes of humanity, or responding to a counter argument in a way that suggests you have read neither the counter argument nor your own posting.
And I don?t read the Sunday Times. What on earth led you to make such a ridiculous & unknowable assumption?
As for keeping thoughts to oneself, high-brow or otherwise, after you, PLEASE.
"What you don't realise is that for people with serious wealth they look for quality then cost."
How exactly are you able to suggest what I do or don?t understand about people with serious wealth? For the record, I and my associates work across the globe for and with people of great wealth and I am fully conversant with the needs of people with both wealth and taste. What about you? How do you know such things? Always ask, never assume.
Clarn McGlone: I?m sorry, it could be me, but I just don?t understand your posts at all. They seem to be in a parallel universe to everything else. You're either slagging off Kenwright for the crimes of humanity, or responding to a counter argument in a way that suggests you have read neither the counter argument nor your own posting.
And I don?t read the Sunday Times. What on earth led you to make such a ridiculous & unknowable assumption?
As for keeping thoughts to oneself, high-brow or otherwise, after you, PLEASE.
Clarn McGlone: Sorry, remiss of me to have overlooked your earlier posting to my article, i.e. 8 years, etc etc
Just 2 points.
Firstly, due diligence is done by the buyers of an enterprise, not the seller. Thus the value of Everton, if & when it is sold, will be confirmed by the buyer based on his/her perceived value (something Jay Harris understands more than most), and supported by the due diligence of finance & business consultants acting on behalf of the buyer.
And finally, could you please enlighten everyone by revealing which Spurs supporters own shares in Everton and will therefore benefit from any sale? And if there are any, why this is indeed a problem and a particular (and yet another...zzzz) bad endightment on Bill Kenwright in particular?
Someone suggested Kenwright was also personally responsible for the credit crunch. Surely not?
Just 2 points.
Firstly, due diligence is done by the buyers of an enterprise, not the seller. Thus the value of Everton, if & when it is sold, will be confirmed by the buyer based on his/her perceived value (something Jay Harris understands more than most), and supported by the due diligence of finance & business consultants acting on behalf of the buyer.
And finally, could you please enlighten everyone by revealing which Spurs supporters own shares in Everton and will therefore benefit from any sale? And if there are any, why this is indeed a problem and a particular (and yet another...zzzz) bad endightment on Bill Kenwright in particular?
Someone suggested Kenwright was also personally responsible for the credit crunch. Surely not?
Alan, as you said we?ve had no offers and Bill had stated himself at the EGM he had 16 offers this year, do you feel a little silly making bullshit statements on here or are we to have anymore.
Alan,
I do not need a lesson on business from you. Kenwright has made it quite clear that he will be performing due dilligence on the buyer..and will be selecting the buyer on a set a criteria which he believes would benefit the club (if you believe his words)...To suggest that due dilligence is a single meaning concept or can only be unilaterally applied by the buyer is plain wrong and does nothing other than show your complete ignorance.
Quite a coup for someone who claims the business credentials that you do.
Robert Earle is a spurs supporter...or was that another thing you didn’t know?
And where did I say that was a problem? You wouldn’t be guilty of presumption as well as ignorance, now would you?
P.S I’ll assume by your unwillingness to validate your earlier scurilous claims that I had been ’persistently abusive’ about Kenwright - that you are indeed unable to carry out such due dilligence on my character before posting such absolute bollócks.
Maybe you should think twice about your posts in future - as the concepts and ideas that you clumsily throw around seem to be a little bit above you.
Regards.
I do not need a lesson on business from you. Kenwright has made it quite clear that he will be performing due dilligence on the buyer..and will be selecting the buyer on a set a criteria which he believes would benefit the club (if you believe his words)...To suggest that due dilligence is a single meaning concept or can only be unilaterally applied by the buyer is plain wrong and does nothing other than show your complete ignorance.
Quite a coup for someone who claims the business credentials that you do.
Robert Earle is a spurs supporter...or was that another thing you didn’t know?
And where did I say that was a problem? You wouldn’t be guilty of presumption as well as ignorance, now would you?
P.S I’ll assume by your unwillingness to validate your earlier scurilous claims that I had been ’persistently abusive’ about Kenwright - that you are indeed unable to carry out such due dilligence on my character before posting such absolute bollócks.
Maybe you should think twice about your posts in future - as the concepts and ideas that you clumsily throw around seem to be a little bit above you.
Regards.
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