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My assesment of the worst Everton displays of woeful negativity I have seen since relagation just after the war. Do not forget my friends, they were getting paid next to fuck all for offering up shite in those days.
Here is my honest opinion after 60-odd years of watching the blues
- commitment: none
- endeavour: none
- skill: absolutely none.
- determination: none.
- attitude: none whatsoever.
- stigma: (according to dictionary) social disgrace, what this shower of Jessies are trying to make the club and followers.
- to manage: (again dictionary) to succeed (lol,)
I could go on, on, on. I've seen it all over the years, and yes there have been good times, but Christ lads and lasses this lot have to be the worst ever for what they are getting paid!!!!!
Surely nobody can argue with the above.
Teddy Draper, Posted 06/10/2008 at 14:50:18
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Tony Williams - Errr for what he is paid Arteta is woefull, how many freekicks and corners are wasted by him, and just think what Teddy is saying, just think about the thousands they earn a week. Arteta earns in one week what I earn in 2 years.
School of Science? More like an infant school.
There have been periods [notably the 90?s] when the same accusation could quite easily have been levelled against the players of that era. The classic season however, was 1958-59, when when the record read [played 6, lost 6, goals for 4, goals against 20, points 0]. In the 12th game of that season the result was Tottenham Hotspur 10 Everton 4, I can only imagine that you were less than pleased then. I guess that you can consider my post as an argument.
By the way, Everton finished that season in 16th place on 38 points, so things can and do change, and when all is said and done, the players are not machines that can be programmed to turn in match winning displays every week.
I appreciate and share your frustration, I just think your reaction is over the top, let?s both hope for happier times.
However, to claim it?s the worst in 60 years is slight (massive) exaggeration.
I toyed with cahill, but eventually swapped him out for "inchie".
So none.
10. Everything was better in the old days.
11. This team is way better than anything else we’ve had in some years, did you have your eyes closed for all those years we yo-yo’d up & down the division, flirting with relegation every year?
12. We’re something of a handful going forward, and create plenty of chances - we just happen to be crap at the back.
13 Overeaction = oh no wait...
James, You are clearly not old enough to have seen some of the great Everton sides. Sadly everything was better in the old days cos we used to win things!
Something of a handful going forward? Don?t make me laugh. You must be bloody joking !
I know it wasn?t a successful period for us but it was certainly interesting. 2 Semi finals, a relegation, a promotion, crowds often above 50k, even 60k and 70k.
Fascinating time... yet there is never any literature on this era on what it was like to Evertonian then. What was it like? What numbers did we take away? What were the songs and chants we sung then?
Last season was fairly good, we played some good football in the middle of the season and we enjoyed a couple of reasonable cup runs. There was no real achievement, but we exceeded expectations. There’s no way that anyone would have EXPECTED our lot to be in with a sniff of 4th place with 7 games remaining, never mind a cup semi and the last 16 of the UEFA. Maybe one of the above, but not all.
Anyway, that was last season, but this season’s players are virtually the same. We can talk of mitigating circumstances, but those players should be capable of much more than they are currently showing.
However, Teddy’s comments are so OTT and overly-negative that I am struggling to take them seriously. I think we can come up with several sides over the past 20 years that are far, far more miserable reading than our current crop.
One thing is for sure, there needs to be some collective fingers removed and bloody quick. Now we have nothing to take our focus away from the league (an undoubtedly brief aside in the form of the FA Cup, notwithstanding), re-qualification for the UEFA is an absolute must. Otherwise the last couple of years of slow progress will evaporate without a trace.
Trouble is, unless something incredible happens in the next few games, to turn the team from serious underachievers into world beaters, it will quickly become an impossibility. Let’s see if Moyes is worth his £70k a week.......
We may not yet be the finished article but now that Davey has pledged to be with us for the foreseeable future it’s only a question of time.
The expectations [demands] of the fans were a great deal less than they are today, and in the main the only people who expressed an interest in the game, actually attended the matches. [very few "armchair experts"]
Of course there was no television exposure in those days, referees mistakes were as prevalent then as now, but there was an acceptance that [ like the Pope,] referees were infallible.
Everton even in those days had a magnificent away following.
Visiting clubs like Blackpool ,Blackburn Rovers, Burnley, Preston North End, and both Manchester clubs].was relatively cheap and easily accessible.
As regards singing and chanting this was virtually non existent, the exceptions being Coventry City [The Eton Boat song], Birmingham City [ Keep Right On To The End Of The Road], and Portsmouth [ The Pompey Chimes].
The singing and chanting was introduced as a result of the television coverage of the 1962 Chile World Cup, and was quickly adopted by British fans.
I must confess that I derive more pleasure from this kind of discussion, than the griping and vitriol that seems to prevail latterly.
We all presumably, want the same from our club, we just don’t express ourselves in the same way.
So the 1970 Brazilian squad weren’t playing serious football ? The Holy Trinity were just having a laugh and a kickabout ? People rave about Ronaldo - if you had ever seen George Best play in his prime then Ronaldo just seems a diving, fancy dan with no bottle when tackled. Yes, players are ’fitter’ and more athletic and have better diets but they also spend longer recovering from minor injuries . Would the current players in the Premiership have survived the pitches, the tackles and no multiple substitutions of days gone by ? Probably not !! You can only be the best in the era that you are living in but most of the great players would have thrived in any era.
There seems to be a wonderful sense of innocence about going the match in the 50s! I did hear about one Everton song but it could be as you say from the early 60s, wasn’t there one to the tune of That’s Amore’ round about that time. Perhaps if it was from the early 60s it could have been for Vernon or maybe Temple perhaps? Sound familiar?
Apologies for changing the subject on this thread, but as you say it is more agreeable!
I hate the attitude that things were better in the old days because its so negative - its human nature to look backwards and be negative when things are bad, but its not in the make-up of successful, professional people to think like that - its that which sets them apart from your average joe. your average joe I’m afraid sits around complaining and harking back to when times were good.
Personally I dont see myself in that mould, so when you mention my age is simply re-affirms my point.
My point isnt about age at all, simply about attitude.
Modern football is light years from what it was during the times being mentioned - and in that I include the period during the 80’s when I was watching Everton too. Those days are long gone and the original post is a complete overeaction, as is the way of many football supporters and their fickle thinking.
I include all supporters in that by the way, not just Evertonians - bitter blues again I’m afraid, looking backwards with blue tinted specs on; it wont get you anywhere and I’m not buying into it! :)
I have never questioned the fact that football today bears no resemblance to that of yesteryear [on and off the pitch], and I agree completely that we tend to look back with rose-tinted glasses. I do believe, however, that certain positive aspects of the game have been lost forever [the good natured banter between fans is a perfect example].
There appears to be what I consider an American attitude [the win at all cost mentality], I feel that this detracts from the enjoyment of the spectacle. I know that the editors of this site place little or no importance on age or length of support, but as a 70-year-old [with 60 years of active support], I feel that I can appreciate the plus sides to the way football is conducted today, while longing for some of the values of the past, I trust that I do not come across as a bit of a dinosaur.
Derek, I have no recollection of any chant to the tune of Amore, but that?s not to say there wasn?t one, there may well have been, and it?s possible that someone else may be able to enlighten you.
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1 Posted 06/10/2008 at 16:10:07
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Skill: absolutely none
Ermmm, lets not go back even that far, we had Gemmil and Pembridge in midfield, now we have Arteta and Pienaar, no matter how poor they have been this season (Pienaar?s first yesterday).
I agree I cannot argue with point 1......as there isn?t one