It’s getting ridiculous now. Why does he feel the need to keep saying things like that? I’d much rather he say nowt, he’s starting to look very silly indeed.

"Starting"!?

David Moyes looks greedy and totally unmotivated.The club look like fools.

I believe Davey is waiting to sign his contract until the foreign investment is finalised. Once it is he will know where he stands and what he has at his disposal.

I don?t think it?s worth worrying about. He will sign.

Look at it this way. Where else is he going to go? No point going to Newcastle. Non of the top four need new managers. He isn?t going to improve on Everton so he will stay.

I hear the latest delay is because his agent is demanding the new salary is back-dated to last February. Can?t say I blame Moyes as he has apparently accepted what was on offer rather than continue to hang out for what he thinks he?s worth.

Does nobody think the club may have now told him they are unwilling to push the deal through until results improve? That’s what I would do now. If he were to sign tomorrow and results were not to improve by christmas, the club would be able to get shot of him for virtually nothing (last 6 months of his contract) as oppossed to having to shell out £15 million big ones!!!!

I hope he doesn?t sign. I?ve never been a fan of Moyes but this season it?s obvious that he?s lost the fire from his eyes. Move on Davey please.

Why is this such a big deal.

As I posted on another thread.

It?s not Moyes holding up the contract, it?s Kenwright.

Moyes stated last week that "it?s been with board for a while now".

IMO, and it?s only an opinion, Kenwright is in shit street with the bank and is holding on for as long as he can.

I think Moyes knows this and it is one of the reasons for his "pissed off", "I?m not going to motivate the team" moods.

I think he?ll sign when we win our fist home game. Failing that, when we keep a clean sheet.

Sometime next year then?

I think we should give him a clock as a leaving present..... it?s the least we can do to get rid of him

Do people really still want him to sign?

I wished he’d just PISS OFF, and take his 4-5-1 Negative hoofball with him, oh & take Hibbert & Neville too.

Perhaps it suits Moyes and Kenwright for the contract not to be signed. According to Talk Sport radio this morning, Alan Brazil had an interview with a financial director from Dubai, and he stated the great Evertonian that is Bill Kenwright, the rat who owns us, is trying to flog the club for two hundred and fifty million pounds, yes that?s correct. two hundred and fifty million pounds.

This is the man who has done nothing for Everton, he has not put any money into the club, the man that sold Rooney, also sold Finch Farm, Goodison Park, all our souvenir shops in our city and has left our club on it?s knees financially. People should wake up and drive this man out of our club. He is not interested in EFC, he is only out to make as money as he can for himself. The worst crime of all is he wants to take us out of our city and stick us in Kirkby. This man is destroying our club and killing the enthusiasm of it?s supporters, all Evertonians should wake up and realize he is only in it for his own profit.

I think Moyes will take the Celtic job as soon as they are out of the Champions League, Strachan will be sacked and Moyes will take over, thus guaranteeing European football every season, which is what he wants.

Moyes is ready to sign the contract on November 1st. He?s adamant that it will be done that day to finally put to bed any unrest.

Where oh where is Neil Pearse when you need him? The man who proclaimed that Blue Bill is not out to make a killing by selling the club for a massive RoI? The man who told us there have been no offers ? otherwise we would have heard all about them.

Come on, Neil, I’m sure you’ve got a good explanation. Of course, you can just dismiss it as hearsay...

Yes, come on, Neil, let?s hear from you. At 6:30am today Alan Brazil asked the question and the answer he got was? two clubs are being looked at by an Arab consortium. For Newcastle, Ashley wants three hundred and thirty four million, and he was told to drop the price. The next sentence, he said Kenwright, our great owner, wanted two hundred and fifty million. This is not hearsay, this is genuine. I would love to know what you have to say about this as you think the sun shines out of his backside.

What a shame Mike Parry alias Mr Freebe wasn?t there, would have loved to hear him get out of that one.

I’m not a big fan of Bill Kenwright but was wondering if he did sell why shouldnt he make a profit ?

So are we saying that, because a pissed up ninja like Brazil says something, it is now true?? Get a grip.

Back to Moyes's contract.

Could the difference between Moyes and the Everton Board be that Moyes has inserted a big fat easy out clause in his contract and the board do not like it.

Hey when there is no news lets just make it up.

I just hope for the sake of us all that he signs it sooner than later. He is universally recognised as one of the very best managers in the game and I fear Everton will fall apart without him.

I hope he goes. I never liked his brand of defensive minded, boring, over-cautious, uninspiring football. Life is too short. Football should give you memorable days, and romance. Most teams are not going to win trophies, we need to enjoy the journey. I don't know who we will get next, Everton FC are almost bound to get it wrong, but I think it is time for him to go: I think he feels the same...

Surely if Moyes signs now and new owners want to get rid of him it effectively raises the asking price of the club by the value of his contract or whatever compo is written into it. Just a thought.

Have heard that EFC are now content to sit back & consider DM?s alterations to new contract - this is as a result of recent scorelines on the pitch & tantrums in pre season (can?t blame EFC really). DM is now very desperate to sign but can?t come out & publically state anything nor EFC.
It appears DM is in a bit of a vacuum at the moment.

David Moyes has shown over his six years with Everton that he is among the best half-dozen managers in the Prem and he deserves to be paid accordingly.
I am amazed that Kenwright has chosen to conduct negotiations on a new contract for him in the glare of public scritiny via press leaks and Moyes is entitled to tell us all to mind our own business.
We can only pray that he stays loyal to our club.

Carl Rimmer has a point! My point is no one person is bigger than the club ? no-one! So, Moyes, sign or move on ? and thanks for what you have done.

John, nobody minds him making a profit but this amount is obscene. Everton?s value is somewhere in the region of £70-80 million tops and we have a debt of over £60 million. Any new owners would have to pay Kenwright £250 million, plus pay our debt off and then either do Goodison up or build a new stadium. Portsmouth FC is up for sale, they are £60-odd million in debt and need to build a new stadium. Allegedly the asking price is £20 million to buy the club, bit of a difference to what Kenwright wants?!

Ian, Alan Brazil ASKED the question and the answer was GIVEN to him by the financial director from Dubai.

I would imagine that Everton would be worth more with Moyes signed to a long contract.After all he’s our principle asset!

Watch this space!.........

Gerry, "a financial director"..."This is not hearsay, this is genuine"....lol. Oh well thats it then...you convinced me!!
By the way oh great one...how did you come to the valuation of Everton FC? How do you know the exact debt?...taking into account any monies borrowed by the board etc??

Michael, thanks for the call up! Missed this thread until now.

First of all, since I have been saying for the best part of two years that Kenwright should go because he doesn’t have the wherewithal to take out club forward, I am not sure where you get the idea from that I think "the sun shines out of his backside". As I have stated over and over again, I think Kenwright did a good job stabilising the club, that his heart is in the right place, that he is not evil incarnate, but that he has neither the money nor the smarts we now need. Okay.

I never of course said that Kenwright wouldn’t make money out of eventually selling Everton. Of course he will. The only point I was ever trying to get across (obviously I failed with at least the Kenwright conspiracy theorists and haters) was that Kenwright wasn’t selfishly taking Everton TO KIRKBY to make additional money for himself. And particularly that if Kirkby DID make extra money for Kenwright, that was presumably because some informed person putting money into the club thought that Kirkby made the club financially more attractive than it would be without Kirkby.

Michael and co., my question to you is if you are still taking the rather heroic if utterly illogical course of maintaining BOTH that Kirkby is a financial disaster for the club AND a way of Bill making a personal killing? Because - at least as you’ve explained it in the past - some ill-informed idiot with a £100 mill or so will come along and pay more than the club is worth because Bill will pull the wool over their eyes. Perhaps not letting on that a completely illiquid real estate asset in Knowsley, even at a Tesco subsidised cost, does not in itself make the club any more valuable to a purchaser.

Of course it is additional revenues in excess of investment which would make the club more valuable - and you believe that obviously that will not be the case with Kirkby. But you also believe that our prospective purchaser is much more stupid than you smart people and so will pay more because of Kirkby. I just don’t think you can have your cake (Kirkby is a bloody disaster) and eat it (Bill is taking us to Kirkby to make a killing). Especially if to do so you have to assume that a moron of an investor will fill the gaping hole in your logic.

Not sure about your point on the offers either Michael. This actually seems to contradict what you and many other Kenwright conspiracy theorists have maintained for months - that lots of people really wanted to buy Everton but somehow we never heard of them. That’s what I doubted. Do you still think there have been lots of offers before but we haven’t heard of them until now?

And yes, Alan Brazil saying Kenwright is asking £250M I do regard as complete and uttery hearsay. This is so far above any valuation that anyone has ever made of the club that it sounds ludicrous. Especially for a club with debts and the need to stump up money for a new stadium.

My main point is basically that we would all be better off if we kicked the fantasies and the conspiracies and what Alan Kirwan has recently called the bogeymen. There really are better and more helpful explanations of Everton’s current predicament than that Bill Kenwright is a selfish and stupid man.

Neil
just a small point:-

Kenwright himself was quoted as saying he had been approached by 12 -15 people interested in buying EFC in the last 12 months.

That is unless he is lying again.

And I have to agree with Michael you have steadfastly defended Kenwright in most of your postings even to the point of calling me a liar for pointing some of it out to you.

If you take a position be prepared to defend it or excuse yourself if you feel you have been wrong.

Well, Neil, you don?t disappoint, I?ll give you that.

You recycle all the old crap that we have blown out of the water previously. Simply repeating it does not make it right. It?s the element of timing that you seem to be deliberatly missing, Neil ... that?s TIMING!... is the bit you continually ignore.

In simple terms it works like this: Bill looks to sell the club for a high value ? let's say £250M ? partly on the hope/promise/whatever of the "Deal of the Century" that is Destination Kirkby. That is the short term... NOW! Let's assume for the sake of the original argument that he succeeds, sells the club, makes a HUGE profit. Walks away.... or stays as "Lifetime Luvvie".

Later... much later (this is the TIMING part), Kirkby is permitted, built ? that's five years away AT LEAST ? and after the initial flush (2 or 3 more years...) it goes into a decline and in perhaps 10 - 15 years from now, ends up as a right royal disaster. Who's left holding the can? Us the fans (well, those who are still around).

That is the fear, Neil. Kirkby can't become a disaster until well after it is built. Bill's plan is to sell up on the back of the promise of a DK being a huge (£50M) windfall gift to the club. He profits MASSIVELY in the near term through the sale of his shares. We all loose out in the long term because Kirkby is the wrong place for Everton to have their stadium.

You dismiss the revelation out of hand as being a ridiculous over-valuation of the club. I agree with you on that part... but here we have some third party who surely has no agenda, stating that Kenwright is asking £250M for the club. I don?t think you can simply ignore that, especially as it explains so much that has until this point been mystifying.

Not least, the incomprehensible ?fact? that we?ve had no offers to buy the club? Well, could it be the asking price (£250M let?s say) is putting them off?

In reality, I think Bill's missed the boat. He could have pulled it off, but he probably said "No!" a few times too many, and now, with the financial meltdown, I'm sure he's missed a golden opportunity.

The likes of Kenwright are interested in one thing only THE DOSH.

"I?m a fan just like you?s!!!" Every time " hear him say that it brings on a billious attack.

Michael

If, as you say, it’s all about timing, and that Everton is clearly an investment whose value will increase in the short term, then fall away over the middle to long term, and if you can see that, and presumably there will be others who believe that too, then why on earth is someone going to throw away millions of pounds on an investment which is definitely going to lose them money??

I agree with Neil, and have said as much in the past, you can’t have it both ways. I believe the last time I mentioned it I was told that there were stupid billionnaires waiting in the wings to buy Everton, now you’re relying on a billionnaire who’s got no business sense and likes to lose hundreds of millions of pounds.

I don’t know which is the least likely, stupid or no business sense, but I believe they’re both more than a tiny bit ridiculous.

You should all know by now that this equation... Everton + Moyes + any contract = ridiculously drawn out process with piss poor results! Look at the transfers... months of hearsay and rumour and ’watch this space’ and then one day of panic and flurry... why should this be any different?
As for the new owners... it’ll be 2010 before anything is done... at this rate our first match at our new stadium could be a derby in 2012... against Tranmere!

I’m sorry to sound high-handed Michael, but every time you repeat your argument you show that you simply don’t understand how companies are valued.

There is no ’short term valuation’ of companies. When you value a company (I’ve done it lots of times), you project out its cash flows into the future (usually for ten years), and then even assign a ’terminal value’ to what will happen after the ten years. This is what anyone valuing Everton would do. So they would analyse in some detail the financial impact of Kirkby in the period 2013-2018. They really would!

If they then decided that the existence of Kirkby made them willing to pay more for the club, that would be because they explicitly thought, after much consideration, that it would add value IN THE LONG TERM. That is simply how companies are valued. They are not valued on the basis of some ’short-term windfall’ Because obviously that would be stupid..

I am completely willing to accept that Kirkby may not, in the end, be financially good for the club. But if Kirkby is to be financially good for Bill Kenwright, somebody with a lot of money needs to believe, after careful consideration, that it will be making money for Everton FC in the period 2013-2018. It really is as simple that. I am only repeating elementary financial valuation practice here.

On the mysteries of ’offers for Everton’ I do better understand now your point there Michael: Bill may have made it known to all potential buyers that he would only sell for a ludicrously inflated price (£250M), and that this has deterred buyers.

Obviously this could be true, I have no facts with which to deny it, and it would explain why we haven’t been bought!

All I can say is that Kenwright is a businessmen who surely knows that there is pretty much a market price for everything, and that is what he is going to get. Why would he believe that he could possibly get a price for Everton way out of line with what has been paid for other Premiership clubs?

The idea of formally asking for £250M still seems very far-fetched to me. But I have not yet heard any very convincing explanation of why Everton remains unsold. I believe that the need to invest first in a new ground of uncertain cost is almost certainly a deterrent factor (it makes the club difficult to value, for one thing). But I think we are all a bit in the dark on this one.

Again, the most important thing I ever want to say about Bill is that, as in personality politics, we shouldn’t focus so totally on him. There are many other factors in play. I doubt very much that the explanation for why Everton has not been sold can be simply reduced to ’Bill is a selfish liar’ (and Jay that is why I find myself so much in disagreement with you).

Could the £250 million include £100 million to fund a new stadium?

The problem is with this argument, it’s all based on hearsay. After all the informed fans on this site through the whole Kirkby debate and transfer window, it is quite obvious that no-one, absolutely NO-ONE has any fucking clue what is going on at Goodison, especially Alan Brazil. The one thing this club do well is keep everything shrouded in mystery.

This is Everton so it's clear none of us have a clue. We can all smell the bullshit but we just can't find the turd.

Reckon the clock is a great idea ? how about a bullshitometer to go with it?

David Johnson, you are right "this is Everton - THE PEOPLES CLUB"

The people's club that treats its people (us) with so much disrespect it's laughable. They constantly take the piss in their promises to us and this saga with Moyes just sums it up.

It's just no fun being an Everton supporter anymore.

My girlfriend is French.

When we started going out, she made the same speech I’d heard from a few (ex) girlfriends.

Basically "Never lie to me, I can’t stand being lied to blah".

Naturally I said "Of course!! What on EARTH do you take me for?" etc.

However this time WAS different.

As I was ’not as young as I once was’, I decided that I consciously wouldn’t lie.....AT ALL, even if it was not the answer she wanted to hear.

Within two days I was in trouble....for telling the truth ("You’re too short to wear boots").

There were tears so, I said "fine I’m more than happy to lie and..."

"No!" she cried.

I explained that the truth was the truth and she had to make a decision - lies sometimes, or the truth all the time, even though she wouldn’t always like it.

She chose the latter and you know what - it works.

For me, I never have to worry about an alibi or what bullshit I made up last week etc and she’s relaxed because she knows (even if she sometimes doesn’t like it), she always knows what’s happening.

And the point of this Marje Proops twaddle?

Well what we know about Everton Football Club (and indeed most other clubs) is that it doesn’t really matter what supporters think.

Clubs/boards will do what they want and supporters will go along.

Sure we’ll bitch and moan, but in the main, we go along with all the shite.

Why?

Because there is a long, wide illogical streak running through football supporters (that’s why instead of everyone watching United or Arsenal, there are people who will go home and away to watch Halifax or Doncaster or for that matter, Everton).

Given this, I can never understand the childish, teenage girl-type secrects-and-lies routine that clubs, in this case Everton, practice.

Why not just say EXACTLY what the situation is?

Naturally, supporters don’t want to hear bad news, but it’s better than being fucked about for weeks, months and/or years, THEN hearing bad news.

If Kenwright wants to fuck about fine, but Moyes shouldn’t have allowed himself to be dragged along with it.

First time he was asked by a (proper) newspaper, he should have said exactly what the situation was.

He’d have felt a lot better about himself, had more support from Evertonians and he’d probably have slept a lot better.

Over the last six years, we have seen Moyes gradually sucked into the dissemblance culture which has been part and parcel of Everton FC for as long as I remember.

Moyes came to us as pretty straight-forward sort of guy, perhaps a little overwhelmed and starstruck at making it to the top but nonetheless an honest-to-goodness professional.

As his stock rose and he became embedded into Everton culture ? even being proclaimed ridiculously early as ?a great? by Chairman and fans alike ? we have seen his personality and public persona change. His repeated pronouncements that ?this club never aspired to top ten before we came here?, were an early indication that so many tributes of what in a bygone era would have been classed as modest achievement, were going to his head.

The relationship with his chairman, which the latter has been moved to describe ?a true bond?, is not the normal one of employee and employer and has, inevitably, led to Moyes parotting any spin which Kenwright wishes to push out to cover his arse.

This was seen first on the Kirkby issue and then throughout the summer months over the matter of transfer funds. It continues now with his monosyllabic ? and annoyed ? responses to enquiries over his contract.

Personally, I no longer care whether he signs the document or not. He can stay or go as he pleases. On balance, I hope he takes his sourepuss gib and crap hoofball somewhere else.

Before Kenwright and Moyes we were near the top of the league, playing sparkling football every week with the best players in the land at our disposal; its terrible whats happened since they took over.

I long for the days back in the 90’s when we played beautiful football, and spent millions on players.

Jesus, you lot are never going to be happy.

Kenwright has broken our transfer record every year.

Moyes has taken us to the Champions League, barring a terrible refereeing decision - plus the UEFA cup twice.

What other Chairman/Manager duo has done that since the 80’s?

None of them, thats who.

All this envy (Man City etc) is crap, do you want us to be like Newcastle and chuck out our manager simply because the team has started badly? I bloody dont, stability is really fucking important and sacking your manager is what fucks clubs up. Look at the knock-on effect an unstable summer has had on us, thats the problem here, not Kenwright and Moyes.

I’m sick of hearing whingeing Evertonians on here crying about Kenwright & Moyes - at least the 2 of them actually try & do something about Everton; all you lot do is whine and moan like old women.

Everton are not the biggest club in England and never will be, live with it - the top table has always been a close shop (I grant you more now than ever) so this is nothing new - Everton can lay claim to being one of ’the best of the rest’ and for me, in light of years gone by since the 80’s is a good thing.

If you want a quick fix, go find us a billionaire but dont harp on about Kenwright dragging the club down, and leave Moyes alone, without him we’d be ina much worse state.

I tell you what, lets fire him and get Curbishley, Allardyce or Glenn Roeder in, yeah that’ll fix things.

Lots of love,

Irritated in London.

James you state..

"Everton are not the biggest club in England and never will be, live with it - the top table has always been a close shop"

1) I presume you mean ’closed’

2) If you do, it might interest you to know that in the past, Everton have finished top of this ’closed shop’. So have Liverpool, Leeds, Man City, Spurs, Derby, Villa, Forest, Blackburn etc etc,....

Suggestion - deed poll

’Ronnie Rong’

(from Rrongsville).

EJ,

Now there?s something i can get on board with - a French girlfriend!

Only jesting.

I agree wholeheartedly. We call Moyes a man of integrity and that is a moniker (like the people?s club) that is slipping away...

In Moyes's position integrity is a competing right - because we all know Kenright is not honest, and the ultimate result of this is that Moyes has to choose that he either wants to show integrity to Kenwright and go along with his little version of things (which is what we?ve seen)...or he could show integrity to the fans..

Can we call David Moyes a man of integrity anymore? I?m torn - my head says ?no?, and my heart says ?yes?

All I know is that all this cloak a dagger stuff must be breaking his heart.

And that reason alone, I detest Kenwright. It?s one thing when his bullshit detracts from his own integrity, but when he makes others dance to his tune....

James,
Have you heard the saying "never say never".

FYI Everton are the 4th most successful team in the top flight and that is where we belong.

If you are satisfied with the shambles that is currently EFC that is your prerogative but please don't come on to a site that?s intended to exchange views and debate issues criticising other blues who want more and/or better from our club.

Since Kenwright took over, we have significantly increased debt, reduced the size of the squad significantly, made a mess of marketing and operations and continuously (except for the year Rooney was sold) posted losses.

In all this time Kenwright has not put a penny of his own money into the club but instead has created a "bullshit" culture where you cannot believe a single statement coming out of GP.

Add to that the division in the fans and he has created far more damage than PJ ever could.

James Marshall wrote,
"Kenwright has broken our transfer record every year."
Moyes has taken us to the Champions League, barring a terrible refereeing decision - plus the UEFA cup twice.
What other Chairman/Manager duo has done that since the 80?s?"

Many other clubs have broken their transfer records in the same period. That?s a result of more money being available to Premiership teams through the Sky money and the Champions League. Duncan Ferguson was our record signing, then Andrei Kanchelskis, then Nick Barmby - all before the days of Kenwright and Moyes!!

Moyes took us to the Champions League qualifying round but even allowing for Collina?s decision we were thrashed in the Uefa Cup qualifying round the same year. We had an excellent Uefa cup run last season before throwing it away in Fiorentina and then failed miserably in the Uefa Cup this year. So one good European campaign in three!!

Granted we didn?t go very far in the Uefa Cup with Joe Royle but at least he won us a trophy!! Apart from the financial rewards of the Premier League do we now consider it more of an honour to finish in 4th, 5th or 6th place in the Premier League than to win the FA Cup?

My point is that you all want success, fair enough, so do I, but I don?t think your views are realistic.

You all give the impression that you think we?d have a better chance of winning something without BK & DM, which I disagree with.

The constant moaning and bitching about BK & DM is just irritating and I?m as welcome to vent my spleen as the rest of you - you say this site is about voicing your opinion, well thats mine.

BK has stated over & over how he wants to sell up, but nobody wants to buy so put up or shut up has to be the way of looking at it. The constant whingeing gets right on my tits.

Richard - Joe may have won us the FA Cup, but that doesn't disguise the fact that we still played average football and the legacy was what exactly? Nothing, thats what!

James Marshall,
Here?s the line that I draw: we provide this facility for fans of Everton FC to discuss current issues, voice concerns, and yes, present their opinion... but only up to a point.

That point is when the opinion voiced starts to deny the validity or right of the previously stated goals. You are coming very close to that line, by slamming others for daring to discuss things that annoy you.

If you don?t want to see these things discussed... DON?T READ THEM. Just step away from the computer. Simple really.

Close to the line perhaps yes, but not over it. I havent said that peoples points aren?t valid, only that they irritate me.

I dont agree with them so I make my voice heard. If I step over the line I?ll be first to admit it, but I dont think I?ve made any comment thats out of order - perhaps people like me are becoming the minority, in that support of the ?terrible 2? is on the wane.

You as administrators, in my opinion, post too many of the same threads about the same topics ? perhaps if you didn't publish the same topics all the time, people like me wouldn't be so bored of the same old lines from the same people.

It's hard to ignore when its in your face, Michael.

From the BBC website ?Elstone is confident the matter will be resolved shortly and has explained the delay in Moyes putting pen-to-paper.

"The reason it has taken time is because neither side saw any issues. It will, I?m sure, be announced very soon," said Elstone?.

I know I may be naive, if both parties are ?happy? with the contract what are those issues Elstone is talking about?

I?ll try again. The difference I see is (a) participating in the discussion and offering a counterpoint or differing view... and (b) condemning the discussion out of hand.

You are condemning the discussion out of hand ? "because it irritates you". That crosses the line in my book.

Contribute to the discussion ? either side or down the middle, I don?t care a toss. But do not condemn us and our fellow Evertonians for having the discussion. To do so is counter to the spirit of the website, which promotes open discussion of current issues of concern to Evertonians. If you don?t want to do that, then please, don?t participate.

And as for moaning about the threads, again, this is a question of respecting the issues posted that concern your fellow Evertonians. You clearly despise them... which leads me to despise your opinions. Final word: if you are not interested, don't read, and please, don't post.

I know I’ve said this before on here but I think it needs saying again. I’m as sick and tired of all the lies, half truths, spin or whatever you want to call it that emulates from EFC. I wish someone would tell us the truth but I don’t see how this could possibly be from the manager. Maybe somebody can correct me but I can’t think of any manager over the years, who even though they maybe getting the sack, suddenly goes to the press and says,"O.K. BOYS, I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE SHIT ON THIS CLUB AND YOU’LL SEE WHAT I HAD TO PUT UP WITH". It dos’nt happen and why? Because for one they would make themselves unemployable with a future employer and two there’s probably something in there contact stopping them from doing it. It not for Moyes to spill the beans, the truth would have to come from the board.

James Marshall


I for one agree with most of your points. There is far too much of this knocking of DM and BK. You would think that they were RS the way people go on.
B+ now and always.

Did anyone hear the interview at 7.30 this morning on Talk Sport radio? Apparently this is the man Kenwright has instructed to find a buyer for our club. Had to start work before the interview was aired, can anyone tell me what was said regarding Everton and the sale of the club?

If Newcastle was sold to Mike Ashley in 2007 for £134m (excluding debts), how on earth would Everton (and Goodison in its current state) be worth £250m?

Neil, we?re closer than you might think on this, thanks to a better appreciation of the timescales involved. Using you model, the other side is suggesting/predicting (depending on level of conviction) the possibility that Destination Kirkby does not provide the financial upside that certainly the club and many of its advocates stand behind.

Now what better time than the present to consider the element of RISK when it comes to financial projections? The professionals involved may be a little more circumspect after the recent global shenanigans but any professional predicting a declining upside because the fans think the stadium was all wrong for the club would be laughed off the due diligence team. Yet this is the concern the anti-Kirbyites are raising. For them, it?s a very real fear.

Think of it as Customer Feedback...

Michael - it seems all you’ve done is latch onto only the final part of my original post. I post on here quite a bit as you know, and offer many opinions. I’ve offered many opinions in this very thread, yet you seem to think all I’ve done is slate people - hardly fair if you read it back is it?

I stand by my comments about the posts you choose for the board as well - I DO think you let too many go up about the same topics, but then again thats just MY OPINION :)

James,

The frequency of articles you ’detest’ - is clearly the frequency of the prevailing opinion on such matters.

Worth keeping this thread going as we may be able to set a rcord for longevity!
I see this morning’s news is that Moyes is likely to sign before the weekend....or after it.....or in time for the Arsenal game.
Bated breath.....I think not.

I may well be in a minority, but my attitude to the affairs of Everton Football Club, is to have the occasional moan [mainly regarding Team selection].
Because I don’t possess the capital to buy the Club, I must hope that there is someone who has [ and indeed will].
Likewise, because I am not in a position to appoint or dismiss Managers, I can only hope that the person whose responsibility it is, will do so at the right time, and with the right people.
Such Managerial appointment would receive my support , as all previous managers Managers have, since Cliff Britton
I trust that this is not seen as a flippant submission, the point I’m attempting to make is, that we the supporters have no immediate pressure to exert, [other than the withdrawal of that support] and I appreciate that a lot of adverse comments are trggered by frustration.
My view is that we are all Evertonians who want the best for our Club, but express our feelings in different ways.
In defence of James Marshall, I must confess that I find his comments less offensive than those of Tony Marsh, although I fully support Tonys right to air his opinions.He does however cross my line, [if not that of the Editors.] a little less of the personal attacks, [and a moderation of language Tony ], would, I believe, be conducive to a more healthy debate on anything "Evertonian".