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After a fairly poor start to the season, there are a lot of us concerned at where we are going. Dithering Dave isn't signing the contract and we have a number of players who are well out of sorts along with others who really aren't up to the job. This isn't a thread to criticise individuals ? it's more about where did we really think we'd end up this season?

We aren't ever going to break the top four. They are well clear of us. Who is next? Man City once the January transfer window opens. Villa with a bit of cash and a decent manager. Can we count the Barcodes and Spurs out?

I'd like to suggest that 5th was lucky last season and our early exit from the Uefa Cup shows we just ain't up to it at that level. Are we mid-table material and that's it? Or are we relegation candidates? For what its worth, I think we're mid-table once we get some confidence back.
Mark  Ramshaw, Durham     Posted 09/10/2008 at 22:23:36

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Jason Lam
1   Posted 10/10/2008 at 03:21:18

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6 points against Spurs :-)
Russell Buckley
2   Posted 10/10/2008 at 04:05:13

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If we can find the form we had last year before we were knocked out of Europe than I think we can still achieve top 6. But we have to improve soon.

I would enjoy 6 points against spurs. Just read more comments from Spurs supporters this morning ranting about how stupid it is for any billionaire to invest in Everton when Spurs is a much bigger club. Millions spent, bottom of the table and when was the last time they won the league? Puts a smile on my face to hear such crap.
Steve Carter
3   Posted 10/10/2008 at 04:21:39

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Well, of tangental relevance to this issue is the question of who among the ’big four’ might still be with us at all by season end. I read a report in the paper yesterday quoting none other than the president of the FA saying there was considerable risk of one or other of the ’big four’ going completely belly up sometime soon and observing the fact that between them the big four have more debt than the other sixteen put together. Oh, please, please can it be the shite...
Shaun Lacey
4   Posted 10/10/2008 at 05:49:49

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Everton have shown time and time again that when a result really matters the team simply does not step up to the task on the day. I am blue through and through but we just don?t seem to have that competitive spark like a Man U or Chelsea to crunch a team when we have the flow of play in our favour (look at the derby we should have had 2 or 3 in the net in the first half). How often do we give up leads, miss goal opportunities, or have majority of the play yet end up with no result. It has been happening for years and I would agree with Mark that we are certainly not a top four candidate. The Premier League has for quite a while now been like a ?top four and the rest? anyway.

To say 5th was a successful finish last year, I guess it was, though it doesn?t seem like much now after being dumped from Uefa at the first hurdle.

Our defensive record so far this season is poor to say the least however I do believe once the new comers "find their feet" and work together as a group we should expect much improved performances. We are only 7 games in and the new players bought in are a positive step towards our recovery.

Perhaps our manager had had a number of other distractions with all the changes expected with the club (possibility of moving ground/new owner etc) once the club knows what lies ahead and then you will see a turn around in form and a top ten finish.

Dave Wilson
5   Posted 10/10/2008 at 07:07:32

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This seasons shot Mark

I was really hoping - as opposed to expecting - for an improvement this season, maybe even a cup, but the summer shambles knocked that on the head

Right now I’d settle for getting to the 40 point mark with 6-7 games still to go, playing some decent stuff along the way
Seamus Murphy
6   Posted 10/10/2008 at 08:39:21

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Well lets tell you what i expected. Not fuckin mid table bullshit anyway. What the hell are you on about the top 4 are well clear then City? Then Villa? We should have been top of the league after 5 games and going into the Derby full of confidence then anythings possible. Let me remind you who our first 5 games were - 3 promoted teams and home to shitty Blackburn and Pompey who we stuffed at home last year.
I also expected to be still in the Uefa and Carling cups.
And whats this shit talk about us being lucky last year? We werent lucky to finish 5th last year - we fully deserved our 5th place finish due to the results we achieved against everyone other than the top 4 who we were unlucky not to get a couple of results against if you remember. Like what the fuck are you trying to achieve by this post? Are you trying to justify the shit we are watching by saying we were lucky last season? Thats fuckin ludicrous - we had all summer to build on the team that finished 5th last season and instead we ended up going backwards and left ourselves in a position at the start of the season where we were starting games with unproven teenagers in the starting 11 and a bench that didnt contain one senior pro!!!

Are you trying to justify that by saying we were lucky to finish 5th last season? Are you also saying that we should just accept that we are a mid table team? I really think you are on a wind up mate.
Andy Crooks
7   Posted 10/10/2008 at 08:49:47

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Mark,I think it’s bottom half mediocrity for us this season,which will hurt our income and make any dreams of imminent champions league football even more unlikely.We will pay a heavy price for the mismanagement of the summer.
Maybe we will sneak into Europe through intertoto or fair play.Wouldn’t that just make you feel proud.
Neil Radford
8   Posted 10/10/2008 at 09:50:44

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Addressing the question of where we are likely to finish, I suspect very much that this is likely to become one of the manager?s less succesful seasons. Richard Dodd used to be fond of telling us that ?Tenth is Good? as he parroted the words of his hero Moyes. Few of us agree with that sentiment but this year we may just have to settle for it!

The club failed us abysmally in the summer by not ensuring that lines of credit were in place in time to strengthen a team which was already looking fragile by last season?s end. I include Moyes in that charge because when it became clear that Kenwright could not provide money for the kind of quality signings he had planned, he should have been quick to lower his sights and tie up deals for the likes of Bullard and Sidwell rather than behaving like a petulent schoolboy way beyond the season?s start.

As it was, any real action was left until the final hour and produced only a rather overpriced novice and a bunch of freebie no-hopers like Nash and Jacobsen.

Kenwright has said that "we can?t go on like this" and most of us would agree with him. I don?t blame the man for being ?a pauper? as that seems to mean only that he hasn?t the collateral to borrow to the level of the big boys. But I do blame him for not seeing the light before now when it may be very difficult to unload his burden to the right purchaser.

Like many other fans, my confidence in Moyes has eroded considerably as he has become Everton?s own ?Incredible Sulk?, appeared far too compliant in Kenwright?s games, and left it to his not very inspiring captain to ?speak to the masses?.
?Tenth is Good? - Now we may all have to believe it!

James Marshall
9   Posted 10/10/2008 at 15:31:00

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It's still mathematically possible for us to win the league ? have faith.
roy coyne
10   Posted 10/10/2008 at 15:33:29

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What concerns me is that our awful home record will cause us problems when the need for points at the end of the season becomes vital,we may well rue the soft points dropped.
Patty Beesley
11   Posted 10/10/2008 at 16:07:00

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Roy - you told me on another thread about ADVM that I win optimist of the year by a mile!! Sorry I think James does for his comment that it is still mathematically possible for us to win the league.
Keith Glazzard
12   Posted 10/10/2008 at 15:56:43

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The PL has a very long drop zone these days, and we have lost too many points already this season. Anything from the next two games will be a big bonus, but from then on the team has to produce to promise even safety.

On the bright side, the Ammers and ’one of the Sky 4’ may go bankrupt.
Dan McKie
13   Posted 10/10/2008 at 16:13:05

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Anything is still possible (bar winning it, let's face it)! I think most teams outside the top 4 are quite close and certainly capable of beating each other, as we have already seen at the begining of the season! It is by no means cut and dried, and I think it will be another month or two before the league starts to take its shape!
Steve Edwards
14   Posted 10/10/2008 at 17:42:48

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Before anyone says, yes I know its only early door but the fact remains that teams that can?t win at home are relegation fodder... I mean we can?t even beat Newcastle with a two goal lead. As for rubbing your hands in antisipation of West Ham or the ?big four? going bust. I?d be looking a bit closer to home. It was no coincidence that the summer was such a mess. Everton finances are in a dreadful state.
Mike Oates
15   Posted 10/10/2008 at 18:30:28

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Now I?m no professor but I?ve done quite a bit of mathematical modelling in my past and try every year to estimate Everton?s points. Last year at start estimated 62 pts - got 65 points, using similar coefficients to Uefa Cup type principle.

The possible total varies after each result and this year is heading towards 53 pts, which would get us 9th or 10th.

No nasties please, as I?m 60 years old and fragile.

Richard Dodd
16   Posted 10/10/2008 at 18:54:18

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As I ALWAYS say, Mike, ?Tenth is Good?!
Seamus Murphy
17   Posted 10/10/2008 at 20:15:39

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Good for nothing Dodd
Neil Scott
18   Posted 11/10/2008 at 08:08:50

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Cast your minds back.

From where we were in January our now-meaningless fifth place finish would have been considered far from ?lucky?, in fact quite the opposite.

However, you make your own luck and, for whatever reasons, we chose to sell key players instead of strengthening our thinning squad.

From that point on things got worse on and off the pitch and now we have people on here predicting an even more meaningless mid-table position as the best we can hope for.

Unless we get a major cash injection of course but there are no guarantees on that front and who knows, if money has corrupted the English game to the point where only three teams can realistically win the main prize (the RS don?t count) then maybe the current financial climate and foreign investment will see things change again. For the better for some and not so for others.

Either way, the days of a ?level playing field? seem further away than ever, so here?s hoping its time our luck changed for the better....
Ricardo Humphries
19   Posted 11/10/2008 at 21:02:51

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I?m no rocket scientist, but Moyes is a piece of shit!

Thank you for bringing us this far, but his experience at top level is starting to show. (I think he suits a team like Birmingham or Reading or Derby........ not Everton.)

We really need to get a technically sound manager!

Bring is FC Porto of Sporting?s coach.

Go as far as Ronald Koeman......we need top coaching.

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