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When Saturday Comes

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Is there still a Liverpool FC fanzine called "When Sunday Comes"? It was ironically titled because LFC matches were so frequently switched to Sundays for TV in the late eighties. I almost feel like this title should now belong to us in the blue half of the city.

If you haven't noticed, we've had yet another Saturday 3:00 pm kick-off changed (this the pre-Christmas fixture vs Chelsea ? now on a Monday night!!). It will mean no traditional Saturday afternoon kick-offs at all through September-December 2009. Our next scheduled Saturday 3:00 pm kick-off is Hull City in early January.

Perhaps it's the annoyance of such a poor start, exit from the Uefa Cup and too many broken promises that has me angry at present. But no traditional kick-offs until 2009 ? and we've been knocked out of the Uefa Cup! For me this means havoc with family and travel arrangements and the possibility of missing at least two games.

Maybe it is the poor start. Maybe it was as bad as this last year... but it didn't feel like it. There were great afternoons (that became great evenings) against Fulham, Sunderland and Man City in 07-08: By 5:00 pm on those days, we were floating with joy ? and with Sunday to recover if required.
Gerry Allen, liverpool     Posted 12/10/2008 at 21:27:15

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Russell Buckley
1   Posted 13/10/2008 at 02:19:39

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My preference is for a Saturday game. Being Australian we have to either stay awake or get up in the wee hours of Monday morning to watch Everton. While most matches are only on at midnight or 1am some kick off at 3am. Can leave you wrecked for the start of the week.

When the team plays like crap it makes me wonder why I bother, but I can?t stay away from this club.
Berry McWilliam
2   Posted 13/10/2008 at 02:42:27

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I'm the same Russell, Sunday games are a pain in the ass for us Australians trying to watch. Quite often we don't get a viewer's choice on Sunday and I can see us missing several games because of this. I too have fallen in love with this club and game for some reason, and it wasnt even until I left the UK that it happened. It's my favrourite sport to watch and coming from a rugby background this is no mean feat in my family!

Anyways, up the blues and no matter how shit we play I will always be geared up for a big game, week-in, week-out.
Tony Williams
3   Posted 13/10/2008 at 08:53:30

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Sunday games are pathetic, you have people hungover from Saturday night and then for me personally, it means I can?t stay out too late after the game as I have work on Monday and then college after work which is a very long day when you are suffering a hang over.

Saturday 3:00pm IS football but it looks like a dying breed, not too long ago there was a weekend with only two games on Saturday with only one being at 3:00pm, we have Sky to thank for this... bunch of arse.
Shaun Brennan
4   Posted 13/10/2008 at 10:01:01

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I swear the next game against Arsenal is Saturday 3pm kick-off.

Plus West Ham in Novemeber and City in December.

Just a few...
Lee Smith
5   Posted 13/10/2008 at 10:30:07

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Shaun, I think Gerry meant home games, in which case he is correct. But yeah, we have got a few Sat 3pm games before Hull, but they are all away.
John Clarke
6   Posted 13/10/2008 at 12:48:45

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As another Blue living in Australia, the best kick-off time is 12.45, or even 12.00 noon.
Which is 9.45pm or 9pm Saturday night.
Really good, a few beers in the pub etc and watch the game.
Er! but I understand your poinr actually going to the game.
I am a scouser and have always supported Everton and used to always go to the game.
In our A league, we have games that kick off Friday night at 8pm, Saturday night at anything between 5pm and 7pm and Sunday at anything between 2pm and 6pm.
It’s all to do with TV and you can’t even get Bovril at half-time.
As a complete aside, I’ve got my ticket for Australia v Qatar on Wed.
Tim will definitely be playing. Can’t wait to see him in the green and gold.
Greetings to all fellow Evertonians in the old country.
Paul Niklas
7   Posted 13/10/2008 at 13:02:41

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Like we give a shit if it's a problem for telly viewing supporters in Australia.

Move over here FFS you we need some more bar staff in the places I go!

Seriously, we need Football at 3pm Saturday or Sunday.
Colin Hughes
8   Posted 13/10/2008 at 13:42:06

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I have always associated Sunday games with serie A which I recalled being televised on channel 4 throughout the late 1980s and 90s. My memories of these games (which I no longer watch) were of slow tedious games like they were being played out with Monday morning in mind. All games should kick off at 3pm on Saturday and there should be one "showcase" match each Sunday afternoon for TV.
Joe McMahon
9   Posted 13/10/2008 at 14:27:16

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Trouble is even bigger as Uefa Cup matches are now on a Thursday. So every club involved will play on a Sunday. Most Liverpool & Man U games will always be on Sky, so at the moment every other week, there will be approx 4 games on a Saturday.

Shit isn?t it.
James Marshall
10   Posted 13/10/2008 at 14:28:30

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Serie A has always been traditionally played on Sunday, Colin ? Not played out with Monday in mind, that's just the Italian style of play (which I actually prefer in some ways).

When I played amateur football, every coach (and player) I ever played under said the same things ? ?get stuck in/get in their faces/go in hard etc? which always made for appalling football matches. The British way was never the best way but 3pm Saturday games are a thing of the past; they have been for sometime in my view, not that I care that much either way as I?m usually busy on Saturday afternoons!
Nick Heady
11   Posted 13/10/2008 at 14:39:56

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James, Do you not think the fact that you always played in appalling football matches had something to do with you being an appalling footballer? Just a thought.
James Marshall
12   Posted 13/10/2008 at 15:56:25

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Nick, its kind of you to offer your thoughts, but no - in fact I played to a very reasonable standard for some years, winning the league (Premier Division) twice, and the cup once. I may not have been paid thousands of pounds a week, but I didn’t play crappy mud-soaked Sunday league either.

My point is that the mentality was often that the best way to win was up & at em, rather than anything more scientific!
Ian Ankers
13   Posted 13/10/2008 at 16:52:36

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It really bugs me, the fact that we have so few Saturday games now. Even though the derby was on a Saturday, the kick-off time was way too early. I?m sick of all these fixtures being put back or forward from a Saturday! It's just not the same on a Sunday, we?ve gotta go to work the next day, which doesn?t help.

Don?t get me wrong, I like the fact that there is a lot of footy on the tele, but if I had the choice of all games being on a Saturday and a highlights package on the tele or all these games getting messed about and put on all sorts of days at all sorts of hours just so we can have some live football, I?d take the Saturday option!

I know there?s all these ?what would we do without the Sky money? questions, but when we?re getting messed about as much as we seem to be with fixtures, it doesn?t half make you feel like the paying, loyal fan is the last one anyone thinks about when sorting all this out!

Sean Condon
14   Posted 13/10/2008 at 19:23:20

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Fuckin hate us playing at any other time than Saturday at 3:00.

Unless it?s in Europe.
John McFarlane Snr
15   Posted 13/10/2008 at 18:38:02

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I feel a degree of sympathy for the people who for one reason or another, cannot attend football matches. However, the bulk of my sympathy must go to the supporters [of which I?m one] who are regular attenders, irrespective of weather, team performance, or results. These same supporters are the life blood of the game, but are the least considered.

It is apparent that the Worldwide television audience [and the Bar room, Armchair brigade] are deemed to be the future of the game. I am old enough to remember football pre-floodlights.

For Everton, Saturday kick off was 3:15pm at the start of the season, but as the days shortened, this shifted to, 3:00pm, 2:45pm, 2:30pm, 2:15pm and the earliest start of 2:00pm. This was reversed in the Spring as the days lengthened. The only mid-week fixtures were FA Cup replays, and International games... those days alas are sadly a thing of the past.

Saturday was undoubtedly the traditional day for the National game, and you could plan your life accordingly, it could be argued by some that today's system is progress, I personally would dispute this.

Jason Lam
16   Posted 14/10/2008 at 07:30:56

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Even though I’m part of the armchair brigade, I agree kick-off should be 3pm on Satdee. That way you can get pissed in the evening (Everton playing on TV here in Hong Kong), and then Sunday league the next day replaying how exactly Arteta should be crossing the ball. And finally spending the rest of the day/evening recuperating from the stress.

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