ToffeeWeb - Season 2008-09

Lyndon Lloyd

We might see better football under Keegan but I'm not sure we'd be any more successful. And what evidence exists that Alan Stubbs could do a better job than Moyes?

Eric Holland
1 Posted 14/10/2008 at 01:02:05

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And what evidence exists that Alan Stubbs could do a better job than Moyes?

At the moment do you think that would be very difficult?

Simon Rogers
2 Posted 14/10/2008 at 01:08:02

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Roy Keane

Russell Buckley
3 Posted 14/10/2008 at 01:49:16

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Roy Keane might be good but I think he is even more ambitious than Moyes and wouldn?t put up with our limited funds.

I?m not sure how happy I am about it but, from all the talk and press coverage, Moyes looks set to sign. If he walks away after what he has said in the media, it's a big backflip.

James Stewart
4 Posted 14/10/2008 at 02:58:23

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Looking at that list, all I can say is I hope Moyes signs!!! And that's coming from not a huge Moyes fan!

Keegan would be a disaster!!! As would Hoddle or Jones. Journeymen who have not achieved more than Moyes wherever they have been. Stubbs and Billic are unproven and therefore a huge risk!

The managers who would seriously be a step up in my opinion would be O?Neill, the Liege manager etc. Sadly, these would not be interested, so stick with Moyes.

Richard Murray
5 Posted 14/10/2008 at 03:12:21

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Bilic is the only one I’d even consider from that list.

I’m with James. If that’s the best list we can come up, let’s start praying Moyes signs.

Mike McLean
6 Posted 14/10/2008 at 03:04:54

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"Always hold on tight to nurse, for fear of finding something worse."

A bleak but perhaps accurate summary of the paralysis of fear that surrounds the club.

Surely Kenwright?s first call would be to our former assistant manager? Whatever: the School of Realism, or Indigestion Football, has long kicked out any science, so to be honest, does the face that fronts it matter very much?

Eamonn McEvoy
7 Posted 14/10/2008 at 04:44:06

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Stick with Moyes. We have a good manager but I would love to see a new owner with a bit of cash. Even though he has not been brilliant with some of his spending, he will learn, we all learn. Look at Ferguson. Until United won that FA Cup years ago he was gone. The club then trusted him and things have soared as we have all seen. Not saying we will soar to the same degree but he will take us on. We will have a great patch in this season. The new boys will come good. We have been beaten in Europe by a team that could go on and win the thing.

Lee Smith
8 Posted 14/10/2008 at 07:06:56

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I wish people would stop with all this bollox about comparing Moyes?s first few years at Everton to Ferguson?s at United (eg Eamonn McEnvoy above).

For a start, Ferguson had already proven himself as a winner at Aberdeen. Not just in Scottish football, but also with European honours. He also won the FA Cup with United after just 3 years at Utd. Moyes has never won anything as a manager. Please stop taking the piss and don?t compare the two. And this is coming from someone who FUCKING HATES Ferguson!!!!!

Jason Lam
9 Posted 14/10/2008 at 07:17:47

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This is another pointless article but I’ll play. Maldini - as they probably don’t have the word for hoof in Italian.

Tony Part
10 Posted 14/10/2008 at 07:52:45

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Another thing people seem to forget when comparing Moyes and Alex Ferguson is that it is a completely different era now. When Ferguson took over United, money wasn't so prevalent in football, and add to the fact that Ferguson came into things at a time when the dominant forces of England where on the wane, giving United the chance to rule the roost in the early part of the 90s onwards.

Its a different game now and Moyes has been here for nearly 7 years, it's no longer Walter Smith;s team anymore, its all David Moyes's team and compared to Everton managers of the past ten or fifteen years it also pretty expensively assembled..

I think the fact that it has taken Moyes so long to sign the contract merely shows that he must have had a summer with doubts... maybe he still is, perhaps he feels how can he sign such a lengthly contract now? Of all the times to do it, why now? Why not before the season started? What if he signs the contract and Everton are involved in a real relegation battle?

Let's be honest, as well as Moyes did getting us into Europe, a relegation battle wouldn't be anything new under him. We have had two new seasons where we have really really struggled in 2003-04 and 2005-06. I think Kenwright is crazy to offer such a lengthly contract anyway.

Five years... But what are our plans? Do we plan on finding more investment for the manager? Because, let's be honest, that's what we are going to need ? otherwise it's always going to be a case of one step forward and three steps back.

By the way, just to talk of possible Moyes replacements, I do agree that I would like to see Bilic here, or Maldini.

Richard Dodd
11 Posted 14/10/2008 at 08:17:44

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Davey has given his word that he will sign up before the Arsenal game and thus put us all out of our misery. I have not the slightest doubt that will happen, so talk of a replacement is totally superfluous!

Gareth Davies
12 Posted 14/10/2008 at 08:33:07

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This seems a strange post. Bilic maybe, but the others are nowhere near as good as what we?ve got. Mood amongst the supporters is, admittedly, low at the moment but Glenn Hoddle? Really?

Also, Maldini has been a great player but what suggests he would be a good manager? His dad didn?t seem to up to much.

Also, Roy Keane might be a good motivator but what else suggests he would be successful at the Toffees? His player recruitment is certainly worse. Let?s be honest, if we?d have signed Diouf, Healy and Cisse in the summer the vast majority of the fanbase would have been very unhappy.

Tony Murphy
13 Posted 14/10/2008 at 09:28:05

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Keegan?

Are you taking the piss mate.

If you're drawing up a list of potential managers to replace Moyes and Keegan is in there, then you're a dickhead. The only people I know with any respect for Keegan as a manager are the delusioned gobshites who support Newcastle.

Can we get a grip here...

John Andrews
14 Posted 14/10/2008 at 09:22:06

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Yet another moronic post from the Dodd person!

I personally do not want Moyes to sign. This fiasco has gone on long enough. How many more times are we going to get the "In the next few days" twaddle ?

Nah we certainly don?t want Hoddle. What?s he done? Apart from getting Swindon Town into the Premier League? They did go straight down again granted but......

If Moyes does not sign I won?t be in the least bit sorry. He is tactically inept. Lots of other managers have sussed out Moyes and prepare their teams accordingly.

I might also point out that in the last seven years we have won nothing and do not look like doing so in the near future.

Richard Harris
15 Posted 14/10/2008 at 09:40:42

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Richard Dodd wrote "Davey has given his word that he will sign up before the Arsenal game and thus put us all out of our misery. I have not the slightest doubt that will happen, so talk of a replacement is totally superfluous!"

I was wondering when our season would start ? now I see clearly. Davie will sign his contract, therefore inspiring the team to victory at the Emirates and then a top 4 finish to compensate for the early Uefa Cup exit. Also we will win the FA Cup (who needs to be distracted by a League Cup run ?) and we will have a new super stadium approved and then we will be lead into the promised land by Bill Kenwright and David Moyes......

Richard Dodd
16 Posted 14/10/2008 at 10:07:28

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Mr Harris, you?ve got it at last! Now how long have I been saying just that! Halleluia!

Richard Harris
17 Posted 14/10/2008 at 10:11:59

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Richard Dodd wrote, "Mr Harris, you?ve got it at last! Now how long have I been saying just that! Halleluia! "

I couldn?t hold out against the waves of optimism. My apologies to Tony Marsh. I?ve received the blessing and am now on the path to righteousness. My soul has been saved. Praise the Lord!! Dodd is love :0)

Colin Potter
18 Posted 14/10/2008 at 10:07:07

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If Kenwright really has over £3m to offer a manager, why not tap up Gus Hiddink or Dick Advocaat, even Peregrinni. Moyes is finished for me, he just does?nt seem that interested, he should have the decency to walk away from us now, and that will give us time to get someone in.

Mark Pendleton
19 Posted 14/10/2008 at 10:41:53

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Howard Kendall, third comeback lucky?

In all honesty from that list they?re either gobshites (Keegan), very suspect (Hoddle), completely unproven (Stubbs), don?t know who Everton is (Maldini), likely to be a flop and a drain on resources (Bilic). Need I go on? We have the best man in charge of our club in it?s current circumstances. And one that deserves a chance if we did get taken over and had megabucks.

Fergie is rarely wrong (perhaps Veron aside) but when he is he usually balances the books in some way. He?s also a good judge and he rates our Moyesie very highly. As do most knowledgeable managers. Apart from Krøldrup, any gambles that haven?t worked out haven?t cost us much money, certainly far overshadowed by the gambles that have worked out.

Fellaini still has the jury out but it?s very early days and not fair to judge a 20-year-old who needs time to settle and adjust. Blimey, he?s got a better goal rate than Brett Angel so far anyway!! Anti-Moyes brigade ? be VERY careful what you wish for.

Kevin Jones
20 Posted 14/10/2008 at 10:42:02

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Last season, Davey Moyes was the 5th best Manager in the Premier League, therefore I don?t believe after 10 games this season it's time to panic just yet. However, if DM does leave, I think, along with Colin Potter, we should approach Dick Advocaat. Zenit play some good attractive football on the floor, and in my humble opinion he is the only one worth looking at. The people on the original list from Andy don?t really inspire me to think they?d be any better the DM. Also for £3M a year we could probably get him

Anthony Millington
21 Posted 14/10/2008 at 11:01:46

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The only one on that list that I?d consider is Slaven Bilic, the rest should be avoided at all costs! Maybe if Mark Hughes wins nothing he?ll get sacked and we can get him if Moyes goes, because I rate Sparky he done a really good job at Blackburn and is a passionate manager who can motivate the players.

Brian Lawlor
22 Posted 14/10/2008 at 11:50:20

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Bilic and Stubbs - there is no way I?d want either of them managing our clube. They are both cunts.

Mancini - how is he going to do better? He?ll still have no money to spend? He spent millions at Inter Milan. Same applies to Keegan who I might add is an ex-gobshite if you hadn?t noticed

Hoddle - would you really want him in charge? I definitely wouldn?t

David Jones - is he better than Moyes? If so, why hasn?t he landed a bigger job. He?s been around longer.
He?s also had a fair amount of money to spend at Cardiff

I?m sorry but you haven?t shown one decent suggestion there.

Jay Harris
23 Posted 14/10/2008 at 11:59:11

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Kevin
totally agree.

Most supporters thought the sun shone on Moyes up to the end of last season and because he and the squad got totally screwed by the antics of the board resulting in a net £2 million spend on players as opposed to the £25 miilion budget we were all expecting we are all now questioning his management credentials.

Most other managers would have walked but it is a testimony of his affection for the players and supporters that he didn't although I think, if he doesn't sign before the Arsenal game, his position will become untenable.

Richard Duff
24 Posted 14/10/2008 at 12:32:58

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I am having this debate with fellow blues at the moment. If Moyes goes, who would we want and who could we get to replace him. I am strugggling to find a credible alternative.

Moyes has gone stale. The finances are crippling his belief and his players are sensing it. These players that signed for Everton also sign for the manager. They buy into his plans, they fit into his system, he makes sure they settle, buy a house, that wives and kids are looked after. If he is waivering then the players lose form. If Moyes goes, the players will go. Some because they want out, others will be replaced by the prefered choices of the new manager.

Spurs can afford to give a new bioss £30M to mould the squad. How much Everton give to a new boss?.

Net result. New boss = selling best players and struggling to replace.

Who is the greatest manager in thew world right now? doesn't matter, Everton can not give them any money to spend.

Moyes must stay. For now.

Craig Taylor
25 Posted 14/10/2008 at 12:58:25

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Whilst I would like to see Moyes stay and be given a chance with some dollar, how about the Peter Reid and Andy Gray dreamteam?

Dave Lynch
26 Posted 14/10/2008 at 13:08:39

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The money they are offering Moyes, any foreign manager with a pedegree would jump at. Perregrini would be my choice also. Oversees managers as a whole, get payed nowhere near what prem managers get paid.

If Moyes signs, then he should be done under the trade descriptions act for impersonating a person who professess to know about football. The man's a charlatan.

Keith Glazzard
27 Posted 14/10/2008 at 12:56:08

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If Moyes does leave he will either walk (for reasons best understood by himself) or will be pushed. The reasons for this could be

- new ownership wanting a new manager, and that’s anyones guess (Bilic might be interesting), or

- the results of the next five or six fixtures, so forget the beautiful game, it would be survival, and that would mean Sam Allardyce wouldn’t it?

Alex Robinson
28 Posted 14/10/2008 at 13:49:00

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I’d personally like to see Moyes stay, but if not why not bring back Alan Irvine from Preston NE? He seems to be doing a good job there and wouldn’t need to acclimatise to life at Goodison. Just throwing one out there.

Tony Williams
29 Posted 14/10/2008 at 13:52:26

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Thanks Craig, you have just brightened up my lunch hour.

I can imagine at half time Andy shouting at Reidy, "Ok you fooker, where’s my coloured smarties, I have a formation to show!!"

Comical

Dave Wilson
30 Posted 14/10/2008 at 13:35:17

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Kevin and Jay

Ok I’ll give you that, I’ll even overlook our style of play, but I find DM’s behavior over this contract deeply insulting, its very obvious he thought he could do better than Everton, now he realises he cant.

He does not deserve your support guys

Ste Kenny
31 Posted 14/10/2008 at 14:36:58

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Gary johnson of Bristol would do an excellent job!!!

Duncan McDine
32 Posted 14/10/2008 at 14:50:10

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Andy, this is an interesting one, and worryingly for me, it seems that most Evertonians at the moment would rather opt for the ’Shit or Bust’ option of bringing in the type of manager you’ve suggested.

What worries me is that we have a hell of a lot of fans with the same mentality of Newcastle and Spurs fans - "if everything ain’t smelling of roses at this point in time, any old Tom Dick or Harry would be better than our current manager". Its the kind of mentality which is shared by the Newcastle and Spurs boardroom, and their clubs are shit because of it. They outspend other ’non-top-4’ sides and end up going backwards.

Respect what Moyes has done for Everton FC, the club you love, and lets see if we can get a grip on this season.

Andy Crooks
33 Posted 14/10/2008 at 15:21:55

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Duncan, I agree David Moyes turned the club round. We should be grateful to him. Not, however, to the extent of offering him a ridiculously inflated salary or giving him a job for life or until he gets a better offer.

For the money on offer, we are entitled to more than the crap football that he has served up.

Nilesh Tailor
34 Posted 14/10/2008 at 15:30:24

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I think we need to forget about other managers, David Moyes is due to sign his new 5 year deal shortly. Let's get behind Moyes and the team and climb back up that table. Not sure if any of you guys have seen this, but its really interesting, some short stories on Everton I found on you tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8T44C38fi4

Duncan McDine
35 Posted 14/10/2008 at 15:48:03

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Fair enough reasoning Andy. I hate the thought of the kind of money players and manages get these days, but the TV money means inflation within the Prem has exceeded any kind of normal rate.

My own feeling is that I’ll be relieved rather than happy to see him sign. We need results on the pitch to cheer me up (like the rest of you).

Cheers

Colin Tunstall
36 Posted 14/10/2008 at 15:57:46

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There is only one ?minor item? holding up the signing. Having agreed to accept the £3.5M a year rather than holding out for £4M as he was,his agent is adament that the deal should be back-dated to 15th Feb. Kenwright is playing hardball! Fact!

Tom Campbell
37 Posted 14/10/2008 at 16:27:37

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What about Curbs or even Michael Laudrup?

Ralph Wetzels
38 Posted 14/10/2008 at 17:03:47

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Frank Rijkaard.

Tony Williams
39 Posted 14/10/2008 at 17:30:27

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Bobby Robson? ? we may get relegated but the after-match interviews would be a laugh.

David Holroyd
40 Posted 14/10/2008 at 18:00:05

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We can all thank David Moyes for what he has done, but hes gone stale. Look at the football since the Fiorentina game 6wins, look at the crap football this season.

Paul Johnson
41 Posted 14/10/2008 at 20:26:58

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EFC O/S has announced a new 5-year deal for Moyes. Looks like its hoofball for us after all..!! Nightmare, we could have done with a change - Moyes?s brand of football is a joke.