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Looks like Timmy has just has just played a blinder for the aussies against Qatar today, scoring one, winning a penalty and setting up another and all this from a midfield role in a 4-1-3-2 formation. Who say's he can't play in midfield?
Of course "it's only against Quatar", I can hear the doubters on this site saying, but when fit, I don't believe there is a better player currently wearing the blue shirt.
Liam Reilly, Posted 15/10/2008 at 13:12:25
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Michael Kenrick
Does it have anything to do with the way he is played in the Everton team versus the Aussie team?
He plays in a similar advanced midfield role to his role at Everton, however he sit’s behind a front pairin, as opposed to our preferred 4-5-1. This system effectively becomes a 4-4-3 when their attacking with the ball.
The aussies though, play the ball through the middle and down the flanks and don’t just lump it up field, which is sadly the biggest difference.
The aussies though, play the ball through the middle and down the flanks and don’t just lump it up field, which is sadly the biggest difference.
He can?t play in midfield. His creativity on the ball is zero.
The fact that your summary is based on his ATTACKING assistance in the team, should prove something to you!
And yes, it is only Qatar! I think they were once beaten 9-0 by Kuwait!
The fact that your summary is based on his ATTACKING assistance in the team, should prove something to you!
And yes, it is only Qatar! I think they were once beaten 9-0 by Kuwait!
Good news, keep his confidence up whilst he’s out. If we can get the likes of Yakubu, Saha and Cahill on top form we’ll have some excellent competition in forward positions.
On his positioning, he just isn’t an orthodox midfielder. He can do a job there but we have better options and he doesn’t offer anything excellent in that position.
When your looking at an attacking midfielder in a 4-4-2 your looking for a creator and someone who can dictate the tempo and give you passing ability in the middle. The likes of Fabregas, Gerrard, Scholes, Deco etc all do this, Cahill doesn’t.
He’s a second striker, a very good one actually. We don’t want to waste him in midfield, we’ve done it before and it didn’t work. Play him to his strengths and he’ll produce the goods.
On his positioning, he just isn’t an orthodox midfielder. He can do a job there but we have better options and he doesn’t offer anything excellent in that position.
When your looking at an attacking midfielder in a 4-4-2 your looking for a creator and someone who can dictate the tempo and give you passing ability in the middle. The likes of Fabregas, Gerrard, Scholes, Deco etc all do this, Cahill doesn’t.
He’s a second striker, a very good one actually. We don’t want to waste him in midfield, we’ve done it before and it didn’t work. Play him to his strengths and he’ll produce the goods.
Yeah your right Ciaran, lets put 11 defenders on the field, would that make you happy?
Midfield needs to be made up of both types of players. Do you see Deco ruuning back and helping out his defence, or perhaps Scholes. There’s a reason they can’t tackle, but it doesn’t make them any less important to the team.
More important IMO, but hey, I just want to see attacking football.
Midfield needs to be made up of both types of players. Do you see Deco ruuning back and helping out his defence, or perhaps Scholes. There’s a reason they can’t tackle, but it doesn’t make them any less important to the team.
More important IMO, but hey, I just want to see attacking football.
Liam,
How exactly do you come to the strange conclusion that I would be happy with 11 defenders on the pitch? Some people are simply unwilling to accept their poster boys are not as good as they think!
All I want is midfielders who can pass the ball effectively. Is that too much to ask?
Can I suggest laser removal for the Cahill tattoo Liam.
How exactly do you come to the strange conclusion that I would be happy with 11 defenders on the pitch? Some people are simply unwilling to accept their poster boys are not as good as they think!
All I want is midfielders who can pass the ball effectively. Is that too much to ask?
Can I suggest laser removal for the Cahill tattoo Liam.
Maybe the Aussies have a better manager..
Ciarán McGlone: I have to ask this again, do you ever reach a state of happiness, or just broad contentment, about anything? and I mean ANYTHING?
TC may lend more to the team when he operates as a loose attacking midfielder, but hey, the guy has one of the best attitudes of any player ever to don the royal blue jersey. And to describe his midfield creativity as zero is not just desperate bollocks, but says so much more about your take on life, judging by your posts on here which seem to constantly plunge deeper depths of misery and despair.
Aside from his ability to score goals and influence games and teammates, Cahill is also the last Everton player to score in the league at Stamford Bridge, the Emirates, Old Trafford and Anfield. Tell you anything? He may have been a little quiet by his own standards since returning from injury (rather prematurely) but Cahill is a tiny god in our recent history.
And what has his tattoo got to do with you? Can I just suggest that you either change your outlook & expectations of life, or get some Prozac urgently. It?s hard enough dealing with the fallout from Moyes?s behaviour since May and the ruination that it seems to have brought to our season. But then I have the misfortune to read your postings and find myself wanting to punch my computer.
How can anyone be that miserable?
TC may lend more to the team when he operates as a loose attacking midfielder, but hey, the guy has one of the best attitudes of any player ever to don the royal blue jersey. And to describe his midfield creativity as zero is not just desperate bollocks, but says so much more about your take on life, judging by your posts on here which seem to constantly plunge deeper depths of misery and despair.
Aside from his ability to score goals and influence games and teammates, Cahill is also the last Everton player to score in the league at Stamford Bridge, the Emirates, Old Trafford and Anfield. Tell you anything? He may have been a little quiet by his own standards since returning from injury (rather prematurely) but Cahill is a tiny god in our recent history.
And what has his tattoo got to do with you? Can I just suggest that you either change your outlook & expectations of life, or get some Prozac urgently. It?s hard enough dealing with the fallout from Moyes?s behaviour since May and the ruination that it seems to have brought to our season. But then I have the misfortune to read your postings and find myself wanting to punch my computer.
How can anyone be that miserable?
Fact of the matter is that Tim is not unique amongst the Aussies. All Aussie sportsmen play with ’passion’ when playing, particularly when playing for their national team - be it football, rugby or cricket - even the likes of Kewell and Viduka do. We could therefore do a lot worse that look at trying to attract the likes of Neill, Emerton, Grella et al to team up with Tim. Whilst we were in the midst of pre-season ditherering and when desperate to get a Carsley replacement Blackburn got Grella £2-3m.
Steve, Grella isnt even as good as Rodwell theres a reason Blackburn got him on the cheap, Neill is a money grabber and Emerton is just an ordinary footballer, I think that and I'm an Aussie. Cahill has a great attitude because of the kind of bloke he is not what country he was born in. Cahill isn't the most creative midfielder but he works his arse of and will pop up with goals no matter what system he?s playing in.
Alan Kirwin, the next thing I?m going to outlaw on here is the provision of free psychiatric counseling for those whose views you happen to disagree with. It?s condescending and insulting. Pack it in.
I’ll keep this brief. Tim Cahill is in our top 3 players if not the best. His goal record for Everton and Australia speaks for itself. He plays with passion and is the only Everton player to be listed in Europe’s top 50 players Ballon D’Or in recent seasons. He is class end of.
I agree with Steve Carter?s comments. There are some quality Australian players running around in Europe who would come at very reasonable fees (perfect for Everton).
Grella was one I thought who would fit in perfectly, the other is Jason Culina at PSV. Culina is just about the key to the Australian midfield and never plays a poor game.
Grella was one I thought who would fit in perfectly, the other is Jason Culina at PSV. Culina is just about the key to the Australian midfield and never plays a poor game.
Ciaran McGlone, you?re taking the piss aren?t you?? Love your comment about having midfielders who can pass the ball effectively. In your eyes, that constitutes Neville being effective as he is one of the best exponents of passing the ball effectively backwards and sideways.
How is it that the majority see his value to the team as a whole and you can?t get you?re head around one aspect of his game? Mind boggling.
I guarantee Pim Verbeek (Aussie coach) will play any formation to accommodate him as he scores goals!!
How is it that the majority see his value to the team as a whole and you can?t get you?re head around one aspect of his game? Mind boggling.
I guarantee Pim Verbeek (Aussie coach) will play any formation to accommodate him as he scores goals!!
I?m not sure if it is the quality of the opposition (although Qatar are not that bad actually) or the fact that it is international football (usually slower than EPL) but I am impressed with how the Socceroos play. They do not play with the same system all the time ? they vary it depending on the opposition and personnel available ? but possession is a big part of the game.
Under (mainly) two Dutch coaches (Hiddink & Verbeek) the whole style of the team has changed. Every player understanding their role and possession football is a large part of it. Physical strength and aerial balls are still in the mix but are only a part of the plan now.
On paper the Aussie team has some reasonable players (including Tim) but is nothing special by international standards. Still, as a team with a good system, they seem to do well (recent friendly victory over Netherlands being a good example). I guess we?ll wait & see how they go in the WCQ and hopefully the WC.
Anyway, my point here is that I was really hoping that DM would get a Dutch assistant in last summer. Tactically & technically the Dutch system seems to produce some great coaches. I think EFC needs to look outside the EPL box to broaden our ideas.
Ciaran, I’ve made similar claims as your last comment. Australia does have some class players but yes we don’t have the technical skills of Brazilians or the Spanish. Our strength in recent times have been our attitude and playing under good managers that put in place a strong and versatile system.
I’ve got nothing against Steve Round but it would have made sense to me to match Moyes up with an offsider who can fill the areas that he isn’t strong in (eg passing attacking football.) I fear at the moment we have two managers who can only offer the one type of football.
I’ve got nothing against Steve Round but it would have made sense to me to match Moyes up with an offsider who can fill the areas that he isn’t strong in (eg passing attacking football.) I fear at the moment we have two managers who can only offer the one type of football.
Alan Kirwin,
Catch a bloody grip will you.
Do you seriously expect me to express happiness about something I quite CLEARLY find a negative in the team?
What a strange little world you live in.
Doing you pathetic little pseudo-psychologist routine on the basis of my proferring an opinion on the negatives of Everton ? really is a shortcut past thinking.
If you find the expression of my opinions on Everton so distasteful - then don?t reply. Simple.
Because quite frankly this site could do without the prozac laced musings of some arrogant twát, who would rather engage in ad-hominen, than address the point in question ? and who evidently thinks that anyone who disagrees with his opinion, and has the audacity to criticise his ?love-in? is obviously in the ?depths of despair?.
Give it a fuckin rest you two-bit clown.
Catch a bloody grip will you.
Do you seriously expect me to express happiness about something I quite CLEARLY find a negative in the team?
What a strange little world you live in.
Doing you pathetic little pseudo-psychologist routine on the basis of my proferring an opinion on the negatives of Everton ? really is a shortcut past thinking.
If you find the expression of my opinions on Everton so distasteful - then don?t reply. Simple.
Because quite frankly this site could do without the prozac laced musings of some arrogant twát, who would rather engage in ad-hominen, than address the point in question ? and who evidently thinks that anyone who disagrees with his opinion, and has the audacity to criticise his ?love-in? is obviously in the ?depths of despair?.
Give it a fuckin rest you two-bit clown.
Steve Pendleton,
What exactly is effective about passing the ball backwards?
What exactly is effective about passing the ball backwards?
Hey Ciarán, looks like your on a one man mission to upset everyone.
Let’s agree to differ on this one eh? I see a exciting passionate player who gives everything for the shirt, who’s goal contribution alone warrants a place in the team and you see someone who can’t pass the ball.
Nough said!
Let’s agree to differ on this one eh? I see a exciting passionate player who gives everything for the shirt, who’s goal contribution alone warrants a place in the team and you see someone who can’t pass the ball.
Nough said!
Did you watch the liege game Liam?
I’m all for playing Cahill as as second striker in a 451...were his strengths are obvious...but its also obvious to anyone with eyes that he’s not effective in a 4 man midfield...
Do you disagree?
p.s I am not out to upset anyone...however it seems that certain people are easily upset at contrary opinions to their own. The editors seem to agree with me.
I’m all for playing Cahill as as second striker in a 451...were his strengths are obvious...but its also obvious to anyone with eyes that he’s not effective in a 4 man midfield...
Do you disagree?
p.s I am not out to upset anyone...however it seems that certain people are easily upset at contrary opinions to their own. The editors seem to agree with me.
Having been to the Australia v Qatar game today a few things were of note. The Aussies aren’t a bad side, but not of EPL standard. They do however have something in common with Everton, they generally punch above their weight. Tiny Tim played well but never exerted himself, he looked like a player of class strolling through the game. In comparison to many of the others he was adn is head and shoulders above them.
Qatar stuck to their game plan and because of the heavy rain before the game, (oh I had a great unobstructured view and got soaked to my undies! Great stadium but god help you if it rains..) they payed dearly for not being able to adapt. The Socceroos changed their game plan and the game was effectively over after 30 mins. Dwight Yorke played over here last season and honestly look crap. ( no suprise there) the reason? generally the players are FAR fitter here than in the UK but they don’t have the skill set. There are some good Aussie players around Europe and some good ones here, but are they better technically than what we have, I don’t think so.
Tim was sharper and his skillset better than most on display. But then the way EFC play these days DM could find a few Aussies who will work until they drop, but may only complete 5 out of 10 passes.. still sounds like a better average than we have at the moment..
Qatar stuck to their game plan and because of the heavy rain before the game, (oh I had a great unobstructured view and got soaked to my undies! Great stadium but god help you if it rains..) they payed dearly for not being able to adapt. The Socceroos changed their game plan and the game was effectively over after 30 mins. Dwight Yorke played over here last season and honestly look crap. ( no suprise there) the reason? generally the players are FAR fitter here than in the UK but they don’t have the skill set. There are some good Aussie players around Europe and some good ones here, but are they better technically than what we have, I don’t think so.
Tim was sharper and his skillset better than most on display. But then the way EFC play these days DM could find a few Aussies who will work until they drop, but may only complete 5 out of 10 passes.. still sounds like a better average than we have at the moment..
You’re sounding like a desperate man pleading for your case against Tim when you start using results of Qatar being beaten by Kuwait. What is the point of this reference and when was this game?
You ask the question: "What exactly is effective about passing the ball backwards?" You need to state clearly what you mean by an effective pass as the recognition of an effective pass in the stats is one which finds another team mate, irrespective of its direction.
"All I want is midfielders who can pass the ball effectively." Neville fulfills this criteria but sends the ball the wrong bloody direction.
You ask the question: "What exactly is effective about passing the ball backwards?" You need to state clearly what you mean by an effective pass as the recognition of an effective pass in the stats is one which finds another team mate, irrespective of its direction.
"All I want is midfielders who can pass the ball effectively." Neville fulfills this criteria but sends the ball the wrong bloody direction.
It was a simple question Steve that required no clarification...
You made a latent point in reference to Neville..and it was clearly my optin to refute the veracity of your point with the question I posed.
You choose not to answer it. Speaks volumes.
p.s You undermine your assertion that you don’t know what an ’effective’ pass is - and any further point you have based upon this, when you clearly imply that backwards is the ’wrong bloody direction’.
Perhaps you should stick to the point in hand, rather than confusing yourself with tangental nonsense.
Cahill is not good in a 442. Discuss.
You made a latent point in reference to Neville..and it was clearly my optin to refute the veracity of your point with the question I posed.
You choose not to answer it. Speaks volumes.
p.s You undermine your assertion that you don’t know what an ’effective’ pass is - and any further point you have based upon this, when you clearly imply that backwards is the ’wrong bloody direction’.
Perhaps you should stick to the point in hand, rather than confusing yourself with tangental nonsense.
Cahill is not good in a 442. Discuss.
Christine Foster wrote "Qatar stuck to their game plan and because of the heavy rain before the game, (oh I had a great unobstructured view and got soaked to my undies! )"
I’ve forgotten what I was going to write.....
...I’ m holding that thought of Christine :0)
I’ve forgotten what I was going to write.....
...I’ m holding that thought of Christine :0)
I was going to comment on that myself. Thought better of it.
Sorry guys lol.. sometimes things are better not said..suffice to say I was trying to explain that they don’t do rain here and although you have a great view, bring a brolly lol
Mind you Aussie girls don’t seem to mind the wet tee shirt contests.. ah well..oh to be 21 again lol
Mind you Aussie girls don’t seem to mind the wet tee shirt contests.. ah well..oh to be 21 again lol
Christine Foster wrote "Mind you Aussie girls don't seem to mind the wet tee shirt contests.. ah well..oh to be 21 again lol"
Oh, I prefer experience to youth. How about the wet Everton pink shirt, Christine :0) Who needs the infighting on the forum when I can ponder on rainy days and Christine without the protection of her brolly ? Ah, contented sigh...........
Oh, I prefer experience to youth. How about the wet Everton pink shirt, Christine :0) Who needs the infighting on the forum when I can ponder on rainy days and Christine without the protection of her brolly ? Ah, contented sigh...........
Easy now Richard!! :-)
Seamus Murphy wrote "Easy now Richard! :-) "
Well we don’t get much excitement on the pitch these days !!
Well we don’t get much excitement on the pitch these days !!
Michael K:
Your point about my comments well made and accepted 100%. Apologies to all. This is all about opinions, it?s just surprising to discover that someone can have the same opinion about everything and never be able to resist sharing it. Nevertheless, bad form on my part.
Ciarán McGlone:
"Give it a fuckin rest you two-bit clown."
My sentiments precisely. Please take your own advise, literally. Everything you say on this forum is negative drivel. Hence my enquiry about what makes you happy (in the EFC sense). Clumsily put, and therefore withdrawn, but the sentiment remains.
You responded to an article of mine quite recently (as you do all others) with exactly the same mindset. Unadulterated negativity, opinion dressed up as fact, baseless accusations and arrogant intolerance of views (even those based on real facts) that differed from your own speculative crap. Negativity dressed in hypocrisy. You add nothing.
Your point about my comments well made and accepted 100%. Apologies to all. This is all about opinions, it?s just surprising to discover that someone can have the same opinion about everything and never be able to resist sharing it. Nevertheless, bad form on my part.
Ciarán McGlone:
"Give it a fuckin rest you two-bit clown."
My sentiments precisely. Please take your own advise, literally. Everything you say on this forum is negative drivel. Hence my enquiry about what makes you happy (in the EFC sense). Clumsily put, and therefore withdrawn, but the sentiment remains.
You responded to an article of mine quite recently (as you do all others) with exactly the same mindset. Unadulterated negativity, opinion dressed up as fact, baseless accusations and arrogant intolerance of views (even those based on real facts) that differed from your own speculative crap. Negativity dressed in hypocrisy. You add nothing.
Better lay off using that thesauras for a while, Ciaran, as it hasn?t helped substantiate your statements.
You ask for me to discuss 4-4-2 and Cahill yet choose to disregard the request of explaining the relevance of your Qatar-Kuwait reference?
You ask for me to discuss 4-4-2 and Cahill yet choose to disregard the request of explaining the relevance of your Qatar-Kuwait reference?
Alan,
There?s not much point in providing a reasoned response to someone who readily admits their postings are intolerant of other?s opinions... yet unamshamedly repeats that exact same fault. As it is, your response represents nothing but self-dellusional and self-righteous bollocks.
Your previous article was shite. And so was your accusation of my ?consistent abuse of Kenwright?..... which you spectacularly failed to evidence!
Get over it
Steve Pendleton, Maybe you should lay off ? triping up your own arguments.
There?s not much point in providing a reasoned response to someone who readily admits their postings are intolerant of other?s opinions... yet unamshamedly repeats that exact same fault. As it is, your response represents nothing but self-dellusional and self-righteous bollocks.
Your previous article was shite. And so was your accusation of my ?consistent abuse of Kenwright?..... which you spectacularly failed to evidence!
Get over it
Steve Pendleton, Maybe you should lay off ? triping up your own arguments.
Post removed for abusive content and denial of discussion. I warned you...
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