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Too late again Davy
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For most of the 2nd half it was blindingly obvious to all bar complete fools that we desperately needed a game changing substitution.
At the same time I bet most of us just knew that Moyes would not make any change until it was too bloody late.
It is almost unbelievable just how predictable that man is.
When the subs were finally made, why in hell's name was Arteta not one of them.
Dick Fearon, Posted 18/10/2008 at 17:06:09
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Spot on mate! Fuck knows how he?s getting paid another £17M to make more inept decisions. What a wonderful job getting paid handsomly but making all the wrong deicisions! I must be in the wrong job.
We’re paying for the lack of immobile, light-weight midfield dwarves who can’t retain or make a pass.
And a rotund centre-forward with a limited work-ethic.
And a rotund centre-forward with a limited work-ethic.
Welcome to 5 more years of it. United up next so more of the same. The shite winning as well just to compound things. When did going to the supermarket on the busiest day of the week become more appealing/less misery inducing than following Everton?
Same old shite from Everton, all too predictable playing the 4-5-1. He follows the unwritten rule that you cannot make any subs before the 75th minute of each game.
Arteta is rivalling Gravesen for his ability to hit the first man at ever corner kick.
Arteta is rivalling Gravesen for his ability to hit the first man at ever corner kick.
Only another 5 years of this dire football. The Premier League has turned into a joke of a league with such a gulf in class between teams like Arsenal and us. Whoopee do, start the season with a best finishing 5th! No thanks, not for me anymore I'm afraid!!!
Yes, all too predictable again. The scary thing is his inability to learn from it. He’s like a goldfish with a 3 second memory.
5 more years, great.
5 more years, great.
Dick, you are right. Why wasn’t Arteta taken off. I said in another thread that we’ve played another big game and our "star player" was nowhere.
Fellaini and Rodwell did play really well.
Fellaini and Rodwell did play really well.
Don?t think anyone will remember, but I did say, Moyes will make subs when we go behind, and we will lose by at least 2 goals. That?s how predictable it is. FIVE more years of this shit. Is anyone concerned that we could go down this year? 18 goals conceded from 8 games. They (American Corporate twats) won again. The gap is again getter bigger in the two clubs, could be even bigger if we are relegated, and just think our manager on his £17 million.
There were dozens of people on this site yesterday who predicted what our tactics would be and what would result from them. Good old Davy Moyes, he never fails not to surprise. Tony Marsh, you were right, the bottom three awaits David Moyes is tactically inept and lacking in any belief in his players.
Don’t be to harsh lads, afterall, they have got more money than us.
Joe Mc - I remember and many agreed. All too obvious.
Can anyone help me out here? I need to know how a collection of professional footballers, all multi-millionaires, cannot pass a football to each other and keep possession.
What the fuck to they do in training and are these the limited tactics of a manager who has taken us as far as he can?! It is always going to be hard playing Arsenal away but surely keeping hold of the ball is a way of stopping the opposition surging forward at will?!!
I will not be able to watch Match of the Day... AGAIN!!!!!!!
What the fuck to they do in training and are these the limited tactics of a manager who has taken us as far as he can?! It is always going to be hard playing Arsenal away but surely keeping hold of the ball is a way of stopping the opposition surging forward at will?!!
I will not be able to watch Match of the Day... AGAIN!!!!!!!
Spot on about the substitutions, Moyes dithered again. Yakubu, who wasn't interested again, should?ve been yanked off as soon as Arsenal equalised. Osman is just too weak for the prem, he is constantly caught in possession and more than not falls on his arse and Arteta went missing as he generally does away from home.
We have not kept a clean sheet for 16 games and it looks like we're back to the relegation scrap. Moyes has just been on the box saying he can leave the ground with some positives, not one word about the deficiencies, the inability to keep possession or even pass. The second half performance was a disgrace; they crumbled again and Moyes doesn't say a fuckin? thing about it, though he looked very pleased with himself... must be thinking of the £65 grand he's just banked this week.
......but at least he’s signed his new contract so we know what to expect for the next five years.
Nice one Billy!
Nice one Billy!
Why why why didn't Vaughan get a chance today? He has the passion to lift the others and the belief and he is banging goals in for the reserves. I'd rather have him in my side than Saha or than his mate Victor anyday.
Rodwell was good today ? it's time to give him a run.
Rodwell was good today ? it's time to give him a run.
We need serious constitutional reform. I’m talking about term limitations for managers. Seven years of tactically incoherent, timid, and improverished hoofball is more than enough. Offenders should be imprisoned, preferably at Anfield.
Didnt you know David? Vaughan is getting the cold shoulder from Moyes as a way of punishment for getting sent off in the States. Rumour has it that Moyes hasn't spoken to Vaughan since then and make no mistake it's not the first time Moyes has frozen out players: Rooney, Jeffers, Big Dunc, Cahill... and even last season, Moyes had run-ins with Lescott.
Moyes is a tosser, mate, but there's nothing anyone can do now. Five more years.
Moyes is a tosser, mate, but there's nothing anyone can do now. Five more years.
Moyes heaped praise on Vaughan after the West Brom game, I think your wrong there to be honest Tony.
I agree with the post though, he left it far too late AGAIN. I think it’s quite obvious he will never be a top manager, he just doesn’t learn from his mistakes.
We set out well in the first half, mixed it up well and played some decent stuff. The second half was a shambles.
Rodwell was a plus point, I think he is going to be a very good player in the future. So composed for a 17 year old.
Super Leon Osman also scored against one of the "big four", what a shite player.
I agree with the post though, he left it far too late AGAIN. I think it’s quite obvious he will never be a top manager, he just doesn’t learn from his mistakes.
We set out well in the first half, mixed it up well and played some decent stuff. The second half was a shambles.
Rodwell was a plus point, I think he is going to be a very good player in the future. So composed for a 17 year old.
Super Leon Osman also scored against one of the "big four", what a shite player.
We’ve been crap since the last penalty was taken against Fiorentina.
We staggered into 5th place. If the season had been a month longer we would have been mid table.
We have carried on in similar fashion. We’ev only beaten stoke and west brom and I really fear we are facing a battle to stay up.
Howard is a shadow of the keeper he was. No longer commands and seems nervous
Hibbert is not good enough for a top half team
Jagielka and Lescott are not a pair. Lescott is classy but Jagielka tries hard but is a journeyman and not good enough.
Baines -inconsistent and rarely finds a blue shirt.
Arteta- disinterested. Playing for a move. Sell him
Felliani- waste of money. Fouls all the time. One paced. Doesnt track back or work hard enough.
Osman- lightweight but the best of a bad bunch
Neville- Perspiration and not much inspiration
Rodwell- one for the future.. but not yet
Yakubu- Either a handful or lazy and more often that not lazy.
Vaughan and Anichebe - not premiership quality
The fact that we conceded more goals in the 2nd half of matches last season than any other club and in fact over 70% of the goals we let in were in the 2nd half shows that Moyes’s half time team talks and substitutions are rank.
We staggered into 5th place. If the season had been a month longer we would have been mid table.
We have carried on in similar fashion. We’ev only beaten stoke and west brom and I really fear we are facing a battle to stay up.
Howard is a shadow of the keeper he was. No longer commands and seems nervous
Hibbert is not good enough for a top half team
Jagielka and Lescott are not a pair. Lescott is classy but Jagielka tries hard but is a journeyman and not good enough.
Baines -inconsistent and rarely finds a blue shirt.
Arteta- disinterested. Playing for a move. Sell him
Felliani- waste of money. Fouls all the time. One paced. Doesnt track back or work hard enough.
Osman- lightweight but the best of a bad bunch
Neville- Perspiration and not much inspiration
Rodwell- one for the future.. but not yet
Yakubu- Either a handful or lazy and more often that not lazy.
Vaughan and Anichebe - not premiership quality
The fact that we conceded more goals in the 2nd half of matches last season than any other club and in fact over 70% of the goals we let in were in the 2nd half shows that Moyes’s half time team talks and substitutions are rank.
I forgot Pienaar- Osman with acne and dreadlocks
Ian, you claim Moyes's team talks are rubbish ? is this the same David Moyes whose team had more 2nd half come backs than anyone else, when we were famous for coming back from a 1st half deficit?
I really don?t know what you lot expect, exactly what ?game changing? substitutions did you have in mind. At 1-0 & 1-1 we were doing ok, at 2-1 down we put on another striker cos we needed to chase the game a bit.
Correct me if I?m wrong, but the last thing we wanted to do at 1-1 was open the game up a bit more, our good 1st half was built on our ability to limit space so Arsenal had no room to play, if the game opened up they would pass their way through us at will.
I really don?t know what you lot expect, exactly what ?game changing? substitutions did you have in mind. At 1-0 & 1-1 we were doing ok, at 2-1 down we put on another striker cos we needed to chase the game a bit.
Correct me if I?m wrong, but the last thing we wanted to do at 1-1 was open the game up a bit more, our good 1st half was built on our ability to limit space so Arsenal had no room to play, if the game opened up they would pass their way through us at will.
I sometimes wish you lot were football managers, then we could all see how well you would do. I mean we have a leaky defence, playing away from home at one of the best footballing teams there is, and you want to play some open game of football!!
Spot on Ian.
Up until the UEFA CUP defeat we were planning quick tempo attractive football and were tight at the back... but then we lost confidence and reverted to type e.g. hoofball.
The lack of confidence has been underpinned by the summer shambles - we have beaten Stoke, West Brom, Newcastle and Derby since we bombed out of Europe!
See my article from a few weeks ago. I’m embarassed to admit it but I won’t go again till he fucks off or starts playing the positive stuff again.
http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/08-09/comment/fan/article.asp?submissionID=9503
Up until the UEFA CUP defeat we were planning quick tempo attractive football and were tight at the back... but then we lost confidence and reverted to type e.g. hoofball.
The lack of confidence has been underpinned by the summer shambles - we have beaten Stoke, West Brom, Newcastle and Derby since we bombed out of Europe!
See my article from a few weeks ago. I’m embarassed to admit it but I won’t go again till he fucks off or starts playing the positive stuff again.
http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/08-09/comment/fan/article.asp?submissionID=9503
Ian, I am gutted we have lost again too and surprised that Moyes can’t see our problems playing hoofball (in fact he probably can but can’t train the players to be better - that’s why £17m is a waste). However, I can’t agree with your assessment of all the players. I think it’s all about the tactics and the confidence at the moment: we seem to have none of either. The likes of Arteta, Pienaar, Yak etc in a team playing well are all quality players.
AsI sit here with one of the servants brushing my hair and another pouring my pre prandial sweet sherry, I reflect on a triumphant day in London. Our simply magnificent manager has used today?s joust to experiment with his tactics and will doubtless employ what he has learned in coming games.
"But what of the lost points?" I hear you simpler souls ask. What of them? Naturally, all true insiders at the club had discounted the possibility of points before the season even started.
I really must go. An evening of fine dining and good wine awaits me at La Freshy ... a rather charming if rustic bistro I have discovered. Farewell, dear hearts! Remember, tenth is super duper.
Chris..
What second half come backs?? I must have been on holiday that game. What year was that?
What second half come backs?? I must have been on holiday that game. What year was that?
Chris, 2nd half we got hammered, I don?t know were you got the "At 1-1, we were doing okay"... When you are getting hammered, you don?t wait until the other team score again to change it, you are then chasing the game. You try to do something tactically (Ha ha, Moyes and tactics!) subs, formations, you try something... any manager worth his salt would try to change it. But, I suppose we are talking about Moyes here.
Hold on, those days were we would go a goal down and come back to win, or scrape 1-0 wins, were a result of Moyes employing then a the new ?4-5-1? formation and managing a team that had great team spirit..... Well, since then (3 or 4 years back), we all know that Moyes has been found out using 4-5-1, and team spirit only gets you so far.
AARRHH!! Sorry, wanted to contribute something erudite and insightful to the post-debacle debate but my emotion got the better of me. Everton seem to have that effect on you. Mind you, it does seem to have made me feel a little better. Oh well - AA....
Good to see Mikel talking a good game on Sky Sports for the spanish games
A nice little earner for him.
A nice little earner for him.
A ball-winning midfielder, who can look after our non-tackling midfielders... the only one we have at the moment is Castillo and the manager won't play him.
We need a midfield coach.
We need a midfield coach.
@ Chris Briddon
Could you call today?s result a second rate comeback??
At £17.5M I think EFC have got a bargain...... hahahahahahahahahah
Could you call today?s result a second rate comeback??
At £17.5M I think EFC have got a bargain...... hahahahahahahahahah
I suspect that not many of you lot ever go to games so what you percieve as expert opinion doesn?t matter too much, does It?
From commentary, we were excellent in the second half then, as Davey has said, a very bad reffing decision gifted them a goal. On such do matches turn. As you will hear in his post-match comments our manager (who you were all imploring to sign his contract a week ago!) says that, just like in the last two games, we generally played well and the two youngsters - Rodwell and Fellaini - particularly well. Nobody expects to get much at the Emirates but what we got were the signs of recovery.
Next week, my friends, Everton will shock the football world!
Could you elaborate on what you mean, Richard, please: "shock the football world"???
Moyes was hoping yesterday on the radio to be like Alex Ferguson... What a dickhead does he not understand that Ferguson wins silverwear???
For god?s sake-calm down alyoos! We?ve had far worse starts than this before and come back to claim a top six place. Moyes hasn?t become a bad manager overnight and will gradually straighten the ship.
There?s a lot going on behind the scenes,believe me, but concern about our eventual finishing position just doesn?t feature. I?ll bet anyone we finish in the top half and it will probably be much higher.
Usual crap from Moyes; we are beaten before we step out on to the pitch. We should ask for a bye against all the top teams and just give the 24 points up. We can then avoid any injuries.
Arteta captain??? Another crap decision... since when have captains gone missing?? Did we ever make Sheedy or Steven captain?
Why have we got no leaders? Because, in 6½ years, Moyes has not bought one leader; he inherited two: Ferguson and Rooney... and amazingly they both cannot stand him.
Richard Dodd writes :
"Next week, my friends, Everton will shock the football world!"
WRONG again Dick, as you havn?t got any friends & Everton will just be plain shocking!
"Next week, my friends, Everton will shock the football world!"
WRONG again Dick, as you havn?t got any friends & Everton will just be plain shocking!
Richard,
Rather than ?shock the football world? why doesn?t Moyes just shock ?us? for once by making substitutions when they can still make a difference.
Yakubu should have been taken off straight after their first goal, with Arteta and Vaughan and Saha sent on in their place. Win or lose it's supposed to be entertainment FFS.
Possibly one for you and your chums to have a mass debate over at the Freshy later...??
Rather than ?shock the football world? why doesn?t Moyes just shock ?us? for once by making substitutions when they can still make a difference.
Yakubu should have been taken off straight after their first goal, with Arteta and Vaughan and Saha sent on in their place. Win or lose it's supposed to be entertainment FFS.
Possibly one for you and your chums to have a mass debate over at the Freshy later...??
Oh, Marc, you tease!
Surely you must know that I have inside information which permits me to say, without fear of contradiction, that our season starts next week.
Silly, silly, little people.
Surely you must know that I have inside information which permits me to say, without fear of contradiction, that our season starts next week.
Silly, silly, little people.
Don?t pay attention to Richard Dodd he?s on another wind up. I wouldn?t even bother to respond to what he writes.
Everyone knew today's result before the game today, we all knew whatever scenario we would be Moyes wouldn?t change a thing unless we were getting beat.
5 more years. I?m going to get that tatooed on my forehead.
Everyone knew today's result before the game today, we all knew whatever scenario we would be Moyes wouldn?t change a thing unless we were getting beat.
5 more years. I?m going to get that tatooed on my forehead.
One word Yakubu: Don't start him ? he is lazy and only good when the ball is played to his feet. Give Vaughan or Anichebe a run.
The Yakubu bashers, you?ve got to love them.
Our best player by quite a distance and a lot of people still don?t like him. Some would rather have AJ and Bent back, running around like headless chickens.
Yakubu is too good for us, we should appreciate that we have a player of his quality. Sadly a lot of us don?t.
Our best player by quite a distance and a lot of people still don?t like him. Some would rather have AJ and Bent back, running around like headless chickens.
Yakubu is too good for us, we should appreciate that we have a player of his quality. Sadly a lot of us don?t.
I did not see the game today, nor have I heard anything about the performance, etc... but looking at the timing of the goals raises another serious issue that points to a very real struggle for Everton to stay in the Premier League this season.
A great variety of issues have been alluded to on the site in recent times that need addressing at every level at Everton but one in particular leaps out as the one that determines whether or not we are in crisis. When glaring issues that contribute to continuous poor performance and results remain unaddressed/unresolved etc then that ensures crisis.
The one that continues to perplex me is the alarming frequency whereby Everton concede goals within minutes of the commencement of the second half. I see yet again that Arsenal scored in the 48th minute. Does any contributor have any hard statistics regarding this because it seems to me that, in all the 55 years of watching Everton, I simply cannot recall this dreadful defect having ever been so apparent.
It is simply unacceptable, along with basic technical deficiencies, that this should be happening so frequently in a so-called professional outfit. I would love to hear any statistic that confirms what I accept is a "personally based frightening impression" on my part ? has anyone else noticed? Or am I imagining things?
Yes, I agree, Yakubu is too good for us!
It sadly puts into context how shit we are when a lazy, overweight, lacklustre donkey who just so happens to score a few goals (by being in the right place at the right time every so often) is our best player.
He IS NOT our best player by any stretch of the imagination.
He is ARGUABLY our best goal scorer and most potent attacking threat in most people's eyes.
Last season, despite being shite overall, he managed to break the 20-goal barrier, which was great; however, best footballer? Don?t be daft!!!!
At the minute he is utter shite, along with Arteta, Lescott, Neville and Yobo.
The only players that are playing anywhere near well enoough to be retaining their place are Jagielka and Pienaar. We are a mess, regardless of how much you want to kiss ?Davey?, you can?t deny that we are all over the place.
Vaughan was awesome in midweek for the reserves, did he get a decent runout, did he bollocks!!!
I can?t fucking wait for next week, honest!!!
It sadly puts into context how shit we are when a lazy, overweight, lacklustre donkey who just so happens to score a few goals (by being in the right place at the right time every so often) is our best player.
He IS NOT our best player by any stretch of the imagination.
He is ARGUABLY our best goal scorer and most potent attacking threat in most people's eyes.
Last season, despite being shite overall, he managed to break the 20-goal barrier, which was great; however, best footballer? Don?t be daft!!!!
At the minute he is utter shite, along with Arteta, Lescott, Neville and Yobo.
The only players that are playing anywhere near well enoough to be retaining their place are Jagielka and Pienaar. We are a mess, regardless of how much you want to kiss ?Davey?, you can?t deny that we are all over the place.
Vaughan was awesome in midweek for the reserves, did he get a decent runout, did he bollocks!!!
I can?t fucking wait for next week, honest!!!
Anthony, you're right, mate; conceding goals straight after half-time is our speciality under Moyes. Sometimes I am not even back in my seat after the break and a goal goes in. At least we have got 5 more years to get it sorted...
Connor, well said mate, Yakubu is class and we don't deserve him. He is fed a starvation type diet by the shite football Moyes insists we play and yet he netted over 20 goals last season. Imagine his tally at a proper football club with a manger who knows how to play the game.
Sadly we will never see the real Yak while DM is here. Goodbye Yak, see ye next season when you score at Goodison for Villa or Man City or any other club whose fans and manager who will appreciate you.
Connor, well said mate, Yakubu is class and we don't deserve him. He is fed a starvation type diet by the shite football Moyes insists we play and yet he netted over 20 goals last season. Imagine his tally at a proper football club with a manger who knows how to play the game.
Sadly we will never see the real Yak while DM is here. Goodbye Yak, see ye next season when you score at Goodison for Villa or Man City or any other club whose fans and manager who will appreciate you.
An all-too-predictable result. No doubt about it, the squad is still not up to snuff and nothing can be done 'til January. Defensively we are still a mess. Sure, we may still beat some teams but realistically it will be a struggle even against the likes of Fulham. Moyes has signed his contract knowing full well even before today?s game that his days may have been numbered if the poor results continued and that was very likely. He may have also been swayed by the fact that possible new ownership and money could get better players in the New Year but where will the Blues be by then?
Adam Bennett Spot on mate.
Yakubu is a liability, and has cost us 3 goals in the last few weeks by gifting the ball away.
I'd sooner have a striker prepared to run himself into the ground than someone like the Yak who only plays when it suits him.
We are looking at a relegation battle this season!!
Yakubu is a liability, and has cost us 3 goals in the last few weeks by gifting the ball away.
I'd sooner have a striker prepared to run himself into the ground than someone like the Yak who only plays when it suits him.
We are looking at a relegation battle this season!!
Same old story under Moyes. We never keep a lead against a big team when we score first or come from behind. Plan A and nothing. Had 6 years of it and another 5 to go. Great!!!
Spot on, Tony. I've been saying for weeks that we are treating the Yak like a dog, the football we are playing to him. Do the fans want him chasing lost balls and flick-ons or running onto decent balls played by the midfield? No wonder he has stopped playing with the shit service he is receiving.
"It sadly puts into context how shit we are when a lazy, overweight, lacklustre donkey who just so happens to score a few goals (by being in the right place at the right time every so often) is our best player."
Anthony Jaras, you're talking about a player with a world class goal scoring record there mate. Someone who?s scored goals everywhere he?s played. Nigeria, Israel, England, The Uefa Cup, International level and a 7 in 8 goalscoring record in the Champions League.
At the moment he is utter shite, so does this make him a bad player? No it doesn?t. And by the way a strikers job is to put the ball in the back of the net, Yakubu has scored 4 goals in 10 games this season. How fucking awful.
Get a grip of yourself, he was far from shite last season. He is our best player because he delivers and does his job.
His goalscoring record is superb, you should appreaciate a player of his quality. As Tony rightly said he is being let down with the hoofball we are playing.
Yakubu is the closest thing we have to world class, as the saying goes feed the Yak and he will score. The man delivers time and time again, we are lucky to have him.
Anthony Jaras, you're talking about a player with a world class goal scoring record there mate. Someone who?s scored goals everywhere he?s played. Nigeria, Israel, England, The Uefa Cup, International level and a 7 in 8 goalscoring record in the Champions League.
At the moment he is utter shite, so does this make him a bad player? No it doesn?t. And by the way a strikers job is to put the ball in the back of the net, Yakubu has scored 4 goals in 10 games this season. How fucking awful.
Get a grip of yourself, he was far from shite last season. He is our best player because he delivers and does his job.
His goalscoring record is superb, you should appreaciate a player of his quality. As Tony rightly said he is being let down with the hoofball we are playing.
Yakubu is the closest thing we have to world class, as the saying goes feed the Yak and he will score. The man delivers time and time again, we are lucky to have him.
Connor, spot on. Yakubu is a class player but is a luxury that can be afforded only by good sides with ambition. In a top side he?d get 30 goals a season. He is not the man for 4-5-1 and must be totally disenchanted with the service he gets.
I have been trying to draw some consolation from the fact that surely Moyes knows more than we do. There must be good tactical reasons for his refusal to start with the Yak and Vaughan or even the Yak and Saha. After all, look what DM earns ? he must know what he?s doing...
Connor,
I did not say that the Yak has always been shite, he does his job and puts the ball away, but he is not a good footballer.
He is certainly not our best player of late as you stated.
He has a good record, although I am not sure that by quoting his exploits in Nigeria or Israel do your argument any favours really pal.
He is a poor footballer, that’s all I was saying, he is a good goalscorer though, there is a difference mate.
However, at the minute, he is neither, especially in a cowardly 4-5-1 formation as his fitness and pace ain’t great as it is.
I did not say that the Yak has always been shite, he does his job and puts the ball away, but he is not a good footballer.
He is certainly not our best player of late as you stated.
He has a good record, although I am not sure that by quoting his exploits in Nigeria or Israel do your argument any favours really pal.
He is a poor footballer, that’s all I was saying, he is a good goalscorer though, there is a difference mate.
However, at the minute, he is neither, especially in a cowardly 4-5-1 formation as his fitness and pace ain’t great as it is.
Dare I ask Doddsy if it is Davy Moyes or Blue Bill that he shares his pre-prandials with?
What?s poor about him?
He?s an intelligent player, he moves into positions that others do not which makes him such a good goalscorer. He?s good at holding up the ball and he can bring people into play.
A reason why the 4-5-1 was a lot more effective with him is because he can get hold of it and keep it.
For me, people who understand the game realise what a good all round player Yakubu is. If he had no talent he wouldn?t score 20 goals a season in the best League in Europe it wouldn?t happen.
To be honest when I look at our squad I?d say Yakubu is the most all round player we have. If where talking about a good mixture of physical and technical attributes then it?s the Yak all the way.
One of the best footballers at the club, certainly the most effective by quite a distance.
He?s an intelligent player, he moves into positions that others do not which makes him such a good goalscorer. He?s good at holding up the ball and he can bring people into play.
A reason why the 4-5-1 was a lot more effective with him is because he can get hold of it and keep it.
For me, people who understand the game realise what a good all round player Yakubu is. If he had no talent he wouldn?t score 20 goals a season in the best League in Europe it wouldn?t happen.
To be honest when I look at our squad I?d say Yakubu is the most all round player we have. If where talking about a good mixture of physical and technical attributes then it?s the Yak all the way.
One of the best footballers at the club, certainly the most effective by quite a distance.
Ok Connor,
You have listed his strengths, so what about the fact that he is generally lazy, unfit, slow, falls over a lot, gives the ball away, goes missing when the going gets tough, does not pressure opposition defenders and has done nothing since the Stoke game?
Just a few of his weaknesses there for ya.
Yes, he is a good goalscorer but that?s about it.
Like I said, he is a good goalscorer but is not a good all round footballer like Rooney, Torres, Defoe, Tevez, Anelka, Drogba etc.
ps: I understand the game and played the role of centre forward at a decent amateur level for 14 years so I do understand the role of a forward.
You have listed his strengths, so what about the fact that he is generally lazy, unfit, slow, falls over a lot, gives the ball away, goes missing when the going gets tough, does not pressure opposition defenders and has done nothing since the Stoke game?
Just a few of his weaknesses there for ya.
Yes, he is a good goalscorer but that?s about it.
Like I said, he is a good goalscorer but is not a good all round footballer like Rooney, Torres, Defoe, Tevez, Anelka, Drogba etc.
ps: I understand the game and played the role of centre forward at a decent amateur level for 14 years so I do understand the role of a forward.
Goes missing like the majority of the team. It?s got nothing to do with individuals, in the big games we hit and hope. We usually play him upfront on his own where he?s isolated. It?s the style of play.
He doesn?t run around a lot, we all knew that when we signed him. I?d rather have 20 goals a season than a headless chicken that covers every blade of grass.
Yakubu?s game isn?t about running, it?s about quality. His finishing ability, his movement and his hold-up play are all much more important than running after a lost cause.
Jermaine Defoe, a good all round footballer? You must be joking. He?s no better than Yakubu, he?s actually a similar player.
The rest of the players you?ve mentioned are world class footballers, I?m not saying he?s at their level. But to say he isn?t a good footballer is just bollocks, believing the media hype that he does nothing but score goals.
I see Yakubu?s quality, he?s actually a far better footballer than I thought he was. He drops deep, he drifts out left and he?s a very decent link player. He doesn?t just stand there and wait for the ball inside the box, he?s intelligent and he can bring people into the game.
A top quality player who?s sadly being wasted at Everton Football Club. Saying that though, he?ll still score 15-20 goals this season.
He doesn?t run around a lot, we all knew that when we signed him. I?d rather have 20 goals a season than a headless chicken that covers every blade of grass.
Yakubu?s game isn?t about running, it?s about quality. His finishing ability, his movement and his hold-up play are all much more important than running after a lost cause.
Jermaine Defoe, a good all round footballer? You must be joking. He?s no better than Yakubu, he?s actually a similar player.
The rest of the players you?ve mentioned are world class footballers, I?m not saying he?s at their level. But to say he isn?t a good footballer is just bollocks, believing the media hype that he does nothing but score goals.
I see Yakubu?s quality, he?s actually a far better footballer than I thought he was. He drops deep, he drifts out left and he?s a very decent link player. He doesn?t just stand there and wait for the ball inside the box, he?s intelligent and he can bring people into the game.
A top quality player who?s sadly being wasted at Everton Football Club. Saying that though, he?ll still score 15-20 goals this season.
Connor,
How can you say;
Jermaine Defoe, a good all round footballer? You must be joking. He?s no better than Yakubu, he?s actually a similar player.
and then follow it up with;
"I see Yakubu?s quality, he?s actually a far better footballer than I thought he was. He drops deep, he drifts out left and he?s a very decent link player. He doesn?t just stand there and wait for the ball inside the box, he?s intelligent and he can bring people into the game".
If I ?Must be joking? about Defoe being a good footballer then how can you then say Defoe is a similar player to The Yak?
How can you say;
Jermaine Defoe, a good all round footballer? You must be joking. He?s no better than Yakubu, he?s actually a similar player.
and then follow it up with;
"I see Yakubu?s quality, he?s actually a far better footballer than I thought he was. He drops deep, he drifts out left and he?s a very decent link player. He doesn?t just stand there and wait for the ball inside the box, he?s intelligent and he can bring people into the game".
If I ?Must be joking? about Defoe being a good footballer then how can you then say Defoe is a similar player to The Yak?
Pretty sure Yak did a nice little chest and lay off for our goal today.
He’s very good at finishing and decent at everything else, which makes for a good striker. Work rate is a bit shit sometimes, but there are very few centre forwards who run around a lot, especially in 4-5-1.
He’s very good at finishing and decent at everything else, which makes for a good striker. Work rate is a bit shit sometimes, but there are very few centre forwards who run around a lot, especially in 4-5-1.
Anthony Jaras, my bad, my posts are getting sloppy. It is late so let me off. That doesn’t make sense at all.
Anyway, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree, mate.
Anyway, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree, mate.
Normally you could probably confuse me for Richard Dodd, but i?m moving in Tony Marsh?s direction with every passing week.
The second half capitulation today was not made any easier to watch by its predictability. The opposite, in fact, as, in believing in Moyes, I?m always willing to believe that today is the day he wakes the fuck up and instructs his inept charges to play some actual football.
4-5-1 is a mug?s game. Is Moyes perhaps just plain stupid?
The second half capitulation today was not made any easier to watch by its predictability. The opposite, in fact, as, in believing in Moyes, I?m always willing to believe that today is the day he wakes the fuck up and instructs his inept charges to play some actual football.
4-5-1 is a mug?s game. Is Moyes perhaps just plain stupid?
Sean, welcome aboard. Six months ago I would have defended David Moyes, in fact I thought Tony Marsh was insane. He was right all along and come Christmas I reckon even Richard Dodd might be having doubts....... actually, that was one beer too many; he won?t.
There’s nothing wrong with 4-5-1, if used correctly it can be a very effective and fluid formation. It worked well for us last season.
It’s the tactics that are the problem, the style of play we are using. We have small technically gifted players and we are trying to play a direct long ball game.
If we’d have went 4-4-2 against Arsenal they’d have probably beat us 7-1, I can’t critisise Moyes for lining up like that to be honest. We actually went with a positive attacking team for once sadly.
Sadly Moyes’s lack of ambition in the second half and his failure to react to the situation cost us. He should of brought Saha and Vaughan on far earlier.
It’s the tactics that are the problem, the style of play we are using. We have small technically gifted players and we are trying to play a direct long ball game.
If we’d have went 4-4-2 against Arsenal they’d have probably beat us 7-1, I can’t critisise Moyes for lining up like that to be honest. We actually went with a positive attacking team for once sadly.
Sadly Moyes’s lack of ambition in the second half and his failure to react to the situation cost us. He should of brought Saha and Vaughan on far earlier.
Adam Bennett, you say Yakubu?s only good when you play it to his feet.
Yes, exactamundo, well spotted, maybe ALL the team should play it to EVERYBODY?S feet (at least those in blue shirts).
His job is to put the ball in the net, the stats say that only 5% of goals a scored from outside the area.
Cliche time... finish this sentence....
FEED THE YAK......??????
Yes, exactamundo, well spotted, maybe ALL the team should play it to EVERYBODY?S feet (at least those in blue shirts).
His job is to put the ball in the net, the stats say that only 5% of goals a scored from outside the area.
Cliche time... finish this sentence....
FEED THE YAK......??????
Sean Condon i know where you’re coming from but David Moyes must be far from ’just plain stupid’.
Think about it.
Who (anyone at all) else has benefitted from last season’s stuttering fifth place finish ???
No-one. That’s who. Just him.
Think about it.
Who (anyone at all) else has benefitted from last season’s stuttering fifth place finish ???
No-one. That’s who. Just him.
I would like to point out to the bloke at the top that he is not like a goldfish with a 3 second memory as this is a myth.
Goldfish in fact have quite good memories, as scientists in the US have proven by hiding food for them, which they then go and get, and also by showing them colours which give reward, which they also are able to distinguish, thus proving that they have much better memories than we’ve all been lead to believe.
Maybe they should do some studies on the golden-haired one David Moyes to see if his memory is any better - perhaps a series of coloured cards and some food rewards might make his decision making better.
Goldfish in fact have quite good memories, as scientists in the US have proven by hiding food for them, which they then go and get, and also by showing them colours which give reward, which they also are able to distinguish, thus proving that they have much better memories than we’ve all been lead to believe.
Maybe they should do some studies on the golden-haired one David Moyes to see if his memory is any better - perhaps a series of coloured cards and some food rewards might make his decision making better.
It was fairly plain and obvious after the 1st goal went in that we needed to change things around. We were not keeping the ball, and getting pushed further and further back.
We actually looked scared (as we so often do in similar circumstances). I do wonder what DM says to them at half-time. I think he needs to try to instill some belief in them that they can continue to pass it along the ground, get forward, and actually make a go of it, rather than get overawed by the opposition and cling on grimly for a point or 3.
I thought there were a lot of positives from yesterday's performance though. First half we actually played really well, passing it around (and Arsenal were playing the long balls). Thought Baines did well as did Fellaini.
One thing I?ve been wondering about was why hasn?t DM given Arteta the Cahill role?
Arteta is our most gifted player, he is capable of threading a ball through, holding the ball up, winning lots of freekicks, spreading the play. I think he is wasted either in a deeper midfield role, or out on the wings and would be much better suited to a central attacking midfield role, where his lack of workrate wouldn?t affect us too much.
I actually think the players we have at the moment would suit a 4-3-1-2. We don't have any wingers as such, we?ve got 2 quality forwards, and a superb attacking midfielder. In any case, its time for DM to start earning some of that £65k a week he?s on.
We actually looked scared (as we so often do in similar circumstances). I do wonder what DM says to them at half-time. I think he needs to try to instill some belief in them that they can continue to pass it along the ground, get forward, and actually make a go of it, rather than get overawed by the opposition and cling on grimly for a point or 3.
I thought there were a lot of positives from yesterday's performance though. First half we actually played really well, passing it around (and Arsenal were playing the long balls). Thought Baines did well as did Fellaini.
One thing I?ve been wondering about was why hasn?t DM given Arteta the Cahill role?
Arteta is our most gifted player, he is capable of threading a ball through, holding the ball up, winning lots of freekicks, spreading the play. I think he is wasted either in a deeper midfield role, or out on the wings and would be much better suited to a central attacking midfield role, where his lack of workrate wouldn?t affect us too much.
I actually think the players we have at the moment would suit a 4-3-1-2. We don't have any wingers as such, we?ve got 2 quality forwards, and a superb attacking midfielder. In any case, its time for DM to start earning some of that £65k a week he?s on.
Just a thought, Ferguson’s team talk will take about 5 seconds. He knows the trusted 4-5-1 will be rolled out again.
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Six seasons and he has won 14 more games than he's lost... at this rate he will be leaving us at the end of the season with a negative tally!!