I fucking hate hoofball !!!!!!!!!!

Some people are just unbelievable..... There's always a scapegoat at Everton. If it?s not Wyness, it?s Kenwright; if it?s not Neville, it?s Moyes. Come on... Even Alan Irvine got the shitty end of the stick in the past. Let's get behind the team and start getting some results.

You don?t like the fans, the players, the manager or the chairman. What do you like, the little elephants on the shirt?

Moyes wouldn?t no a positive tactic if it kicked him in the balls. 5 more years of this makes me want to cry.

I think you should read the ?patient Evertonian?.... a sense of reality in these pages of bullshit.... ?And if yer know your history....? you?ll know it has been on the whole shite since 1987. Even the ?95 FA cup win, we finished 15th and stayed up by beating Ipswich away, who finished rock bottom.

This is why some are Evertonians, they love to fucking moan. God help us if we were actually a top side like Arse or Man Utd. These ?supporters? would probably have a moan at the facilities at GP then!!

John,
I must agree with you on this one, Moyes has no tactical ability to change a game. He can't see when a game is going away from us until it is to late.

Another six years of boring defensive hoofball.

Some fans on here need to polish there rose tinted spectacles and stop putting up with the crap which we play week-in and week-out.

There are a lot of problems with Moyes that I personally think. Number One: he is shite in the transfer market; we need a right midfielder so Arteta can play in his true position and give more balls to the forwards. The second thing is he needs to be more adventurous, like dropping Yakubu if he isn't on form, and giving the young ones a run around.

You need look no further than Hull City to see what can be acheived at the Emirates if you go about the job in the correct manner. 1-0 up at half-time flattered Everton today but at least they had a go for half an hour. The trouble is, like I have said from day one, Moyes isn't a winner.

David Moyes shows too much repect for his rivals, regardless of who they are. It's always us doing the worrying before games and I fucking hate it.

I hate the negativity we shouw under Moyes but worst of all I hate my club being turned in to a proverbial shithouse team. No guts, no spine, no class, and no bottle. This is a man's game, FFS.

I can take being defeated by better sides and I can take not winning fuck all (God knows we are used to it), but what I can't stand is the manner in which we capitulate against the big 4 every fucking time we play them. Why can't the soft twa Moyes buy some players who can kick some one or at least get stuck in. FFS we are a joke and all these little choirboy players Moyes signs knock me sick. 5 more years of this SHITE.

It's going to be one long hard season and like I predicted years ago all these shithouse players Moyes favours will in the end be our downfall. You can't send Boys out to do a Man's job. A lesson Moyes has never learned.

FFS, Bring Back Big Dunc and let's shed some blood for the cause.

Which one of the young ones, Adam? Neil with the long hair.

1-0 didn?t flatter Everton at half time. The boys were outstanding in the first half. Yes, not so good in the second but we are playing Arsenal.

I love the Moyes bashers........ who would you have instead, Mike Walker, Joe Royle, Howard Kendall, Walter Smith???? If you can?t see the improvement in the last six years, what the hell are you watching???? Surely it?s testament to Moyes that we?re disappointed in the fact we?re not in the top half!!!!! 10 years ago we?d be pleased! Top half is what we should expect this year yes, but for god sake, 10 years ago that was a fantasy!

Do you know what, Marc, it's fans like you that are killing this club mate. What the fuck has Walter Smith or Mike Walker got to do with EFC 2008?? 10 years ago, the Premier League was a differnt animal. It's what's now that counts.

I don't give a shit how much the Mancs, Chelsea or the RS have spent on players, it's how we play the game that worries me and lots of others. How much does it cost to teach a player who should know already how to pass, trap or control a ball? How much does it cost to get players who can string 10-yard passes togethe? The answer is FUCK ALL but Moyes can't get any player he signs to do any of the above. That's the problem ? not Mike fucking Walker.

I said to myself at half-time we will end up losing 2 or 3-1 cos I just knew deep down we will fall apart in the 2nd half. And talking of subs, why take Yakubu off when we're 2-1 down? I know his form has dipped but for FFS, he?s our only natural goalscorer!!! We are in a relegation fight and all those who think we're not ? look at the facts: no clean sheets and every side except West Brom has scored 2 or more against us ? that's relegation form!!!

Marc,

What improvements have you seen thus far this season?

Also, how dare you mention Joe Royle in the same breath as those other no-marks (Excluding Howards first spell), Joe was by far the best manager and instilled true bollocks into our club, bollocks we need right now in the team of Pussies we have.

Also, do you forget that Royle actually won something and finished 6th with no cash???

You have to laugh at the lads who come on spouting the usual shite after another defeat. "We were playing Arsenal, who would you have instead? Walker" etc.

Have you lads looked at the league table recently? We are 16th, 8pts from a possible 24th, that 16pts fucking dropped, we have 1pt from a possible 12 at home, nd apart from Arsenal and the shite (who were shite on the day, but we still couldn?t beat them) we haven?t really played anyone decent yet. We have the worst defensive record in the prem, 4 wins in the last 18 games. Maybe lads, that could be the reason why we have a right to moan? I suppose if we get turned over by the Mancs next week, that will be okay, for some of you?

What I would really like to see but doubt I ever will is an honest analysis of the game from Davy Moyes. More than anyone, he would know where we went wrong, what players failed to earn their corn, why Arteta?s free kicks are so bloody awful and when and why it dawned on him that a substitution was needed. He could follow that up with what he and Steve Round are doing to develop tactics, improve our passing and eliminating our faults.

I disagree with Tony M on many things but I am in total agreement when he moans about the midgets in our midfield? Lord save me from those who scream about their so-called creativity when a meagre one or two chances per game is the best we can expect from them. They may very well be our best ball players but seeing them emerge from the tunnel I can?t help thinking, damn, damn! we are down to ten men already. The longer the game goes those spindly little blokes become less and less effective and it is no surprise that we concede 2nd half goals.

Marc, "we were playing Arsenal" so fucking what? Hull were playing Arsenal. Arsenal could have been beaten today but not by a team who have a manger who?ll settle for keeping the score down and who seems to believe defending deep and hoping to sneak a goal is fine. Is there any Evertonian who thought that after Arsenal equalized Everton would score again? Or indeed that we would try to score again. Walter Smith turned out this stuff at a fraction of the price.

We did well in the first half, we mixed it up well I thought. Played some decent stuff and hit it long when we had too. We actually showed some intent for 30 minutes which was refreshing.

I’ve got to agree with alot of the lads though, Moyes fucked up big time in the second half. It was quite obvious Arsenal where dominating and it needed a change.

We needed an outlet and we had good options on the bench, Saha and Vaughan have proven already this season that they can change games.

It’s about reacting to a situation and Moyes failed once again, he doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes which is very worrying.

I can’t argue with the way the team was set out, it was actually quite positive for once and we did have a go for 35 minutes. For the last 55 though we reverted back to hoofball, hit and hope football.

He needs to improve big time.

My wife asked me if we played with 1 up front again today and I said yes. She said that we always lose playing that way. Now, my wife knows as much about football as i know about Floodlit Horse Massaging!!!!

And I am happy to wager my month's wage (which is quite considerable) that David ?same old excuses? Moyes will again stick to his 4-5-fucking-1 formation next weekend. And the way Manure are playing it will be a rather embarrassing score line. We will get a hiding cos we are carrying far too many passengers at the moment.

This here ’football’ makes me want to cry....

What a marvellous result for the Moyes haters! Surely even Tony Marsh realises that EVERY good manager has his ups and downs ?ask Ramos!
Closer to home, the records show that even the so-called Everton ?greats? were no exception. Catterick had 11th, 14th,15th and 17th finishes in his time whilst Kendall managed 12th, 13th and 14th finishing sides. The Mighty Royle (see above) could also boast of two 15th finishes but that's how the game goes. As someone said this week "what right have Everton to be successful EVERY year?"

First sensible point you?ve made for a long time, Doddy! Football is a game of ups and downs ? that?s why we love it.

And, by the way, I think you?ll find Howard even had a 17th finish in one of his later spells!

Just to clarift then Richard ? the top ten is no longer the target ? 17th wil do. As I thought, there is no level of underperformnce which you will not tolerate from the genius.

And by the way, when you are quoting poor finishes from Catterick and Kendall, be honest and admit they quite rightly ended up being sacked soon afterwards.

Tactics all wrong again. I watched the Arsenal TV re-run of the game, and their comentators, who were very fair throughout, questioned why Moyes had played one up-front, without support from midfield that could go 4-3-3; as they said, it just played into Arsenal's hands. They could see it, why not Moyes?

A touch of the Walter syndrome, frightened of losing. He then brings on Saha to help Yak and then subs Yak, shortly after. I think the Yak now knows how AJ felt upfront, one his own with no support. Moyes utterly clueless today, the fans are ready for him now and he will have to think of something new!

I?m not having anything said against Joe Royle by people who can?t remember his time with us, or want to rubbish his time and ignore what he done for us.

He took over in mid November 1995, we were rock bottom of the league, one win by mid November, that?s November guys, his first match in charge was on 20 Nov 1995, the Merseyside Derby, after nearly 12-15 games, we were playing awful and getting beat every week (remember relegated Norwich beating us 3-0 before Walker got sacked).

Joe Royle took that very same team with the same players and got us to 15th with a game to spare in a season that saw FOUR teams getting relegated and we won the FA Cup against a Man Utd i rate as being better (to watch, better players) than this current Man Utd team.

His points to games ratio would have got us into the Top5 if that form was over a full season such was the turnaround in results, it wasn?t pretty but he knew what he had to do to save us and he stuck to it, the players from that time never complained and seemed to enjoy his tactics.

I certainly don?t remember a Joe Royle team ever fearing going to Highbury, Anfield or Old Trafford, they were always up for those games, can you guys not remember the Kanchelskis Double at the Kop End after Limpar dancing through 4 players and putting the 2nd goal on a plate, or Duncan Ferguson?s winner and his waving his jersey above the head celebration at Goodison against Utd and of course going to Old Trafford early in the following season and going 2-0 up (Dunc?s double, remember his running past the Utd fans puffing out his cheeks after he put us 2-0 up) only to be clawed back by an unlucky late deflection off Unsworth?

We were also unbeaten in Merseyside Derby?s in Joe Royle?s tenure. Home and Away. That speaks volumes for the man?s attitude and tactics in those games. Liverpool were a better team back then too and in Joe?s first season they never got a sniff in the 2 Derby?s that season.


Can you see any of that happening again under Moyes in the next 5 years? I can?t.


I like Moyes as a man, I think he?s a top bloke with great dignity and integrity, a mountain of a man compared to the Fat Waiter, but Tony Marsh nailed it all perfectly on in his post. He shows too much respect and his team aren?t strong enough to cope with the rough stuff.

Before I finish I also remember Kendall in his 3rd spell also being unbeaten against the Red Shite (2-0 win at home and a 1-1 at Anfield where Madar missed an open net when we were 1-0 up minutes before Ince equalised after an unlucky double deflection in our defence).

David Moyes should watch those games to see what it took to win against Liverpool / Utd / Arsenal and Chelsea. It?s called heart, passion, not being afraid and a will to win against all the odds.

Richard Dodd, let me correct you.

Under Joe Royle we finished 15th in his first season, he only had half a season and took over with us rock bottom of the league. We climbed 8 places under Royle in those circumstances with the same players that were rock bottom by mid-November.

Season 2 we finished 6th. Not bad for the squad of that time, considering most of them nearly buried us into relegation by Nov 1995.

Season 3 he was sacked in March when we were around 9th-11th despite a good start, the team went into freefall after he left and finished 15th due to a bad run of results when Dave Watson temporarily took control until the end of the season.

Don?t distort the facts to make Moyes look better. Some of us ain?t that stupid.

Thanks very much, Declan for that rundown on Our Joe. These Moyes apologists should read it a few times before coming on here and slagging him off. You brought back to me some lovely memories. Compared to Joe Royle, Moyes is a pathetic shadow of him!

Great post, Declan. Our start to the season would have had most managers looking over their shoulders. Not DM, he gets a huge lengthy contract. He will never be put under pressure by BK. He has spent, in comparison to his immediate predecessor, a fortune. He has built this current team and in general the supporters have been behind him... So ? what is his excuse for poor results and crap football since last March?

Good post Declan, but I think for most of it you need to substitute ’1994’ for ’1995’. Joe could hardly have started in November 1995 since he won us the Cup in May 1995....!

Brian, you are absolutely spot on, pal. My apologies for that guys. Joe took over in Nov 1994 with the Derby being the 2nd last Monday of that month and that game was the weekend after an international round of matches!

18 November 1995 was the day we beat Liverpool 2-1 at Anfield with Kanchelskis scoring two at the Kop End. That date was a birthday of mine (what a great present eh lads?).

That?s why I always mix 94/95 up, because around those time we beat Liverpool 2-0 at Goodison in 1994 and then 2-1 at Anfield around that time of November in 1995.

And by the way, Doddy and Deakin, I think you will find Royle actually WON a trophy ? something your blue-eyed boy will never do!!!