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I was having a discussion with a friend this weekend who argued Ipswich had more England internaitonals play for them than Everton (he'd had a few drinks!). We had a bet and I duely won. During this discussion we brought up the subject of who the 5 best players were who had played for England and Everton at some stage. I could rattle off 4 quality players straight away, but the 5th was a bit of a struggle:
- Alan Ball
- Gary Lineker
- Paul Gascoigne
- Wayne Rooney
Adam Croft, Posted 21/10/2008 at 12:28:09
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Adamdon’t know how old you are but without doubt Ray Wilson was the best full back I personally have ever seen.Brian Labone was only shaded out of the England team by Jack Charlton and had he not been around the same time as Charlton would have been a regular for England
Andy Hinchcliffe!!!!!
How about.
Peter Beardsley and Tricky Trev.
Didn’t Rod Belfit once get a cap ?
Peter Beardsley and Tricky Trev.
Didn’t Rod Belfit once get a cap ?
How about the hugely underrated Keith Newton and Tommy Wright.They’d be England legends today.
How about Tommy Lawton ?
Ray Wilson it has to be surely? He was the one who sprang to my mind anyway. How many players have won the World Cup? Roughly its about 11 as I recall so surely it has to be Wilson.
Barmby
Y’know, I’m pretty sure Richard Wright got a cap for England...
I can recall Richard Wright playing against Malta and making a right howler ... other 1 cap wonders ;
Bracewell
Unsworth
Jeffers
Bracewell
Unsworth
Jeffers
Oh and Phil Jagielka of course ...
How about Joe Mercer, Joe Royle, Andy Hinchcliffe, Fred Pickering
Bob Latchford and Dave Thomas.
Can’t believe we’ve missed out Martin Dobson. A great player in the 70’s- although it was a poor time for English football.He was actually England captain at one point under Joe Mercer I think. Never got his shorts dirty.
Mexico 86
Gary Stevens
Trevor Steven
Peter Reid
Gary Linekar
Pretty much the cream of England in that world cup - and a great improvement on the early game with Robson and Wilkins...
Personally, after Barmby and Rooney - I’m pleased if we don’t have any players selected for Eng-er-land... their heads get turned, or they get tapped up .... and it always hurts.
Gary Stevens
Trevor Steven
Peter Reid
Gary Linekar
Pretty much the cream of England in that world cup - and a great improvement on the early game with Robson and Wilkins...
Personally, after Barmby and Rooney - I’m pleased if we don’t have any players selected for Eng-er-land... their heads get turned, or they get tapped up .... and it always hurts.
Can’t believe that Brian Labone was almost missed out. How quickly Legends are forgotten. I’m sure he played in "That match" against Brazil in 1970.
I’d agree Steven, Stevens, Reid & Lineker from ’86 they almost won us the World Cup.
I’d agree Steven, Stevens, Reid & Lineker from ’86 they almost won us the World Cup.
I cant believe nobody mentioned Anthony Gardner.
Adam, Dave Hickson was undoubtedly an Everton hero, but he never played for England.
The list could contain many noteworthy players, it depends how far back you wish to go.
Jack Sharp represented England at both football and cricket, Dixie Dean and Tommy Lawton were regular goal scorers for England,.Dean netting 18 times [in 16 games,] Lawton 22goals in [23 games.]
Ray Wilson as mentioned by one two, was a World Cup winner and F.A. cup winner in the space of a couple of months.
Cliff Britton and Joe Mercer, were regarded as two excellent wing halves just prior the second world war, while since the war Alan Ball, Brian Labone, Tommy Wright, and Gordon West served their country well.
The list could contain many noteworthy players, it depends how far back you wish to go.
Jack Sharp represented England at both football and cricket, Dixie Dean and Tommy Lawton were regular goal scorers for England,.Dean netting 18 times [in 16 games,] Lawton 22goals in [23 games.]
Ray Wilson as mentioned by one two, was a World Cup winner and F.A. cup winner in the space of a couple of months.
Cliff Britton and Joe Mercer, were regarded as two excellent wing halves just prior the second world war, while since the war Alan Ball, Brian Labone, Tommy Wright, and Gordon West served their country well.
John Collins
Richard Gough
Duncan Ferguson
Alan Ball
Brain Labone
World Cup Winner - Marco Materrazi
Olivier Dacourt - 3 titles Roma & French Caps
Hugely debatable, depends on if we look at players at their best for Everton or not...Gazza turned up at the end of his career, did ok but well past his best.
Richard Gough
Duncan Ferguson
Alan Ball
Brain Labone
World Cup Winner - Marco Materrazi
Olivier Dacourt - 3 titles Roma & French Caps
Hugely debatable, depends on if we look at players at their best for Everton or not...Gazza turned up at the end of his career, did ok but well past his best.
I think it?s more inetersting to think of the top Everton players who either never got caps, or who didn?t get as many as they should have done, while crap from all kinds of other clubs were getting caps.
Kendall never got a cap, Andy King never got a cap, Latchford only got 11, Dobson only got 1 of his 4 after he came to Everton, Harvey only got 1 ... the list goes on and on. When you think that the likes of Phil Boyer, Stuart Pearson and Colin Viljoen got caps in the 70?s, and that Brian Greenhoff and Phil Neal got sackfulls of them, something is clearly wrong there.
Remeber the game when Greenwood played 9 RS against Switzerland? A cracking 0-0 draw!
Kendall never got a cap, Andy King never got a cap, Latchford only got 11, Dobson only got 1 of his 4 after he came to Everton, Harvey only got 1 ... the list goes on and on. When you think that the likes of Phil Boyer, Stuart Pearson and Colin Viljoen got caps in the 70?s, and that Brian Greenhoff and Phil Neal got sackfulls of them, something is clearly wrong there.
Remeber the game when Greenwood played 9 RS against Switzerland? A cracking 0-0 draw!
JACK SHARP.
Played for England at both cricket and football. Also had a great shop for decades in Liverpool city centre. See the extract below from the ows:
"Jack Sharp was a goalscoring outside right, whose dashing wing-play and thunderous shooting earned him two international caps for England. A supremely talented cricketer as well, however, he also won three Test caps for his country - and scored a century against Australia in 1909.
It was his performances over 342 appearances in an Everton jersey, however, which earned him inclusion as our first Millennium Giant of the century. Signed from Aston Villa in 1899, he was a short, stocky man described by one writer of the day as a "Pocket Hercules."
A lightning fast sprinter, he possessed the ability to flight pinpoint centres onto the head of Everton’s marauding centre-forward of the day, Sandy Young, or cut inside his full-back to unleash shots of fierce power.
In the days when a sports star’s popularity was measured by the number of times his portrait appeared on cigarette cards, Jack Sharp had 14 different cards created for him".
Failing that, Bernie Wright?
Played for England at both cricket and football. Also had a great shop for decades in Liverpool city centre. See the extract below from the ows:
"Jack Sharp was a goalscoring outside right, whose dashing wing-play and thunderous shooting earned him two international caps for England. A supremely talented cricketer as well, however, he also won three Test caps for his country - and scored a century against Australia in 1909.
It was his performances over 342 appearances in an Everton jersey, however, which earned him inclusion as our first Millennium Giant of the century. Signed from Aston Villa in 1899, he was a short, stocky man described by one writer of the day as a "Pocket Hercules."
A lightning fast sprinter, he possessed the ability to flight pinpoint centres onto the head of Everton’s marauding centre-forward of the day, Sandy Young, or cut inside his full-back to unleash shots of fierce power.
In the days when a sports star’s popularity was measured by the number of times his portrait appeared on cigarette cards, Jack Sharp had 14 different cards created for him".
Failing that, Bernie Wright?
If you are including Gascoigne you might as well include Kenny Sansom - both played for us for a few games when they were well past it.
Agree with comments above that Wilson, Labone, Beardsley should be up there
Re Richard Wright - amusing (sad?) to see that he is being dropped by Ipswich after a series of howlers that have all resulted in goals - appears that lack of class and form are both permanent
Agree with comments above that Wilson, Labone, Beardsley should be up there
Re Richard Wright - amusing (sad?) to see that he is being dropped by Ipswich after a series of howlers that have all resulted in goals - appears that lack of class and form are both permanent
Earl Barrett
kenny samson
Peter Beardsley was better than Lineker Gascoigne and Rooney
Cannot believe nobody has mentioned JOLEON LESCOTT!!!
Michael Ball?!!!!
did Paul Rideout get any senior caps?
I wondered if Johnny Morrissey got a cap - I remember him playing for a ’League’ team against, I think, a Scots league team. A quick look via google was no help, except to lead me to The Smiths via Morrissey and Johnny Marr. Mugsy could have danced past them no trouble.
Morrissey never got a full England cap.
But Dave Watson did, as did Gary Stevens and Tony Kay who would surely have been an England captain but for circumstances. Lawton, Mercer, Dean ...plenty to chose from...
But Dave Watson did, as did Gary Stevens and Tony Kay who would surely have been an England captain but for circumstances. Lawton, Mercer, Dean ...plenty to chose from...
Thanks Ray, thought so. The OS call him Morrisey, which might be right. I’m glad I’ve only got two Z’s in my name.
One interesting clip from the OS history/players pages is that Kevin Campbell is put in the same category as Patricio Pascucci. I think superKev did a good job for us. Pat?
One interesting clip from the OS history/players pages is that Kevin Campbell is put in the same category as Patricio Pascucci. I think superKev did a good job for us. Pat?
Nigel Martyn??
mikel arteta tbc?
Andy Johnson
Andy Hinchcliffe, Ian Snodin?
Next England players from Everton will be Jack Rodwell, James Vaughan and Jose Baxter. Trust me.
Best Wishes from Norway.
Next England players from Everton will be Jack Rodwell, James Vaughan and Jose Baxter. Trust me.
Best Wishes from Norway.
Dave Watson.
Hibbert should join the list.
Mike Newell, but was it England B team?
Tony Cottee
What about Tony Kay?
Ian Snodin was called into the full squad by Bobby Robson as a right back early in 1989, unfortunately he had to withdraw due to injury & never won a full cap. Mike Newell was also called up by Robson in the Autumn of 1989 due to his goal scoring in his first dozen games after signing from Leicester. He never actually played a game though. Another one cap wonder......Garston?s own John Gidman, (whilst at Villa - 1977).
Paul Bracewell - Sad that injury limited him to 3 caps.
Derek Temple ? I think he got one cap under Alf Ramsey
What about " who cares".
Interested only in who and when they play for Everton.
England, not interested.
Interested only in who and when they play for Everton.
England, not interested.
Cottee?
Henry Newton
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