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Arteta for the chop?
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Am sure this will invoke numerous comments but here goes anyway. With Arteta's loss of form this season and the end of last season will Moyes bite the bullet and bench him for Saturdays game? After DMs comments in the week about certain players not pulling their weight at the Emirates and Arteta's poor, form linked with the fact that he hasn't had a decent game against any of the Sky 4, is it time for the shepards crook? This would create a problem in the sense what team do we play but I think it's time to give him the kick up the arse he clearly needs. Now where is that tin hat...
Craig Wilson, Posted 22/10/2008 at 10:38:30
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And replace him with whom? The whole point of the chase for Moutinho over the summer was to bring someone in to relieve the pressure on Arteta to create everything. (Of course, Fellaini doesn?t even come close to fitting that particular bill.) There is no-one in the squad apart from Pienaar who can do that and he?s already playing.
Yes, he?s out of form and, yes, I wish as hard as anyone that he would dictate play more than he does but an off-form Arteta is still more useful than no Arteta at all given the lack of flair in the team without him.
Yes, he?s out of form and, yes, I wish as hard as anyone that he would dictate play more than he does but an off-form Arteta is still more useful than no Arteta at all given the lack of flair in the team without him.
No tin hat required, Craig ? he?s been crap all season. Sad thing is, even in the unlikely event that Moyesy dropped him, we?ve got very little room for manoeuvre, certainly until Tim's back anyway.
Craig, I understand your frustration but we are so short of midfielders, what?s the alternative?
In Arteta?s defence I think the pressure of being the sole creator has worn him down. My understanding is that he was promised that another creative midfielder would be bought to complement his game. As Lyndon said, I think this was the reason for the Moutino debacle this summer.
In Arteta?s defence I think the pressure of being the sole creator has worn him down. My understanding is that he was promised that another creative midfielder would be bought to complement his game. As Lyndon said, I think this was the reason for the Moutino debacle this summer.
In defence of Mikel, he has been carrying an injury which has been diagnosed as a stiff neck. This is from continually looking up to see the ball being hoofed over his head.
Arteta is a good player but gets dragged down to the level of the other players around him in midfield. The tactics Moyes uses must also be a real downer for any proper footballer and Arteta tries to do to many things to compensate for the lack of quality he plays with. Drop Osman if anyone. This lad is Shite and never ever plays well aginst the big four or teams with physical midfielders. Once again, Ozy will go missing on Saturday and Moyes will pick him next game regardless of his inept performances. David Moyes sure knows his onions...
Arteta is suffering as much from the team’s collective suckage as from his own poor form.
Where does Arteta operate most effectively? Buzzing around the edge of the opponent’s area. None of our midfield are getting much possession in this area at all. There were glimpses in the 1st half at the Emirates of Pienaar, Ossie and Arteta getting a bit of interplay going on in the last 3rd..... I think Pienaar really balances the team up and takes a bit of pressure off Arteta.
Once Arteta starts getting the ball at his feet in positions where he can be dangerous, we’ll see him perform better. But he’s not the kind of player who would ever grab the game by the scruff of its neck, which is what we desperately need.
Arteta can’t be dropped, but I’d quite like to see Castillo back in..... probably for Ossie, despite his goal.
Where does Arteta operate most effectively? Buzzing around the edge of the opponent’s area. None of our midfield are getting much possession in this area at all. There were glimpses in the 1st half at the Emirates of Pienaar, Ossie and Arteta getting a bit of interplay going on in the last 3rd..... I think Pienaar really balances the team up and takes a bit of pressure off Arteta.
Once Arteta starts getting the ball at his feet in positions where he can be dangerous, we’ll see him perform better. But he’s not the kind of player who would ever grab the game by the scruff of its neck, which is what we desperately need.
Arteta can’t be dropped, but I’d quite like to see Castillo back in..... probably for Ossie, despite his goal.
Oh yeah. Don’t expect much of an improvement against United. They’re playing as well as we are bad..... it could get ugly.
A good result from this game would be Rooney not getting a hat-trick.
Sorry for the negativity, but we are playing that badly.
A good result from this game would be Rooney not getting a hat-trick.
Sorry for the negativity, but we are playing that badly.
If being shyte (whether in terms of recent form, or like in Hibbert’s case - just being shyte) was a pre-requiste for being dropped, then why does Neville get a game, or for that matter, a huge new contract. Moyes has his faves, and they include Mikky, and done get dropped. Just like old Billy Boy has his favourite who will never get dropped - Moyes.
The same Osman who has three goals and two assists in ten games. Yes lets drop one of the few ball players we have, one of the few who actually looks for the ball and one of our only goal threats at the moment. Great thinking Tony, spot on as usual.
Osman scored and played well against Arsenal last week. I said he’d have an impact if he played in his natural position, how right i was.
On Arteta, he’s been found out on the right hand side. He gets double marked and he doesn’t come looking for the ball in central positions. Teams know he’s our best midfielder, they cut him out the game.
Moyes should move him about more to get the best out of him, interchange him between left, right and centre. Very few players can control games outwide, if you want him to do that then move him centrally.
It’s like putting Fabregas or Scholes outwide and telling them to boss a game, it wouldn’t happen in a million years. We need to meet halfway, Moyes needs to use him in more effective positions and Arteta needs to get involved more.
We simply can’t drop him. I wouldn’t drop Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar or Osman simply because we have no other players with goals and craft in them.
Osman scored and played well against Arsenal last week. I said he’d have an impact if he played in his natural position, how right i was.
On Arteta, he’s been found out on the right hand side. He gets double marked and he doesn’t come looking for the ball in central positions. Teams know he’s our best midfielder, they cut him out the game.
Moyes should move him about more to get the best out of him, interchange him between left, right and centre. Very few players can control games outwide, if you want him to do that then move him centrally.
It’s like putting Fabregas or Scholes outwide and telling them to boss a game, it wouldn’t happen in a million years. We need to meet halfway, Moyes needs to use him in more effective positions and Arteta needs to get involved more.
We simply can’t drop him. I wouldn’t drop Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar or Osman simply because we have no other players with goals and craft in them.
All this talk of how Arteta is so poor this season, yet how we can’t drop him because of how creative he is and there is nobody else...there’s a reason why people are saying he’s poor, and that’s because he’s not doing the things he’s supposed to!
Personally I’d give Anichebe another go at playing out wide against United, to bring a bit of physicality and pace to the midfield and get at whoever they sub in for Evra.
Personally I’d give Anichebe another go at playing out wide against United, to bring a bit of physicality and pace to the midfield and get at whoever they sub in for Evra.
"There?s a reason why people are saying he?s poor, and that?s because he?s not doing the things he?s supposed to!"
James Smith, a creative midfielder?s job is to create, Arteta is actually the most creative midfielder in the League at the moment. He?s created 4/5 goals in 10 games, not bad at all.
James Smith, a creative midfielder?s job is to create, Arteta is actually the most creative midfielder in the League at the moment. He?s created 4/5 goals in 10 games, not bad at all.
I wish people would stop saying that "the burden of being our only creative player......."
Can you not see Pienaar? He is by far our most creative player, just look at his assists record. The vast majority are from open play.
Arteta simply isn’t playing well, but we can’t drop him as we don’t have any other options.
As Connor says, he gets double marked, but I still feel he doesn’t do enough to come looking for the ball.
Can you not see Pienaar? He is by far our most creative player, just look at his assists record. The vast majority are from open play.
Arteta simply isn’t playing well, but we can’t drop him as we don’t have any other options.
As Connor says, he gets double marked, but I still feel he doesn’t do enough to come looking for the ball.
I would love it if Arteta was dropped but can't see it happening. On the other hand I would also like to see him deployed in a more central role. Baines and Pienaar could operate the flanks, even Vaughan and Anichebe so it?s not like we need him out wide. Im sick of the amount of times he wastes possession anyway!
I would like to see Castillo given another chance too, even if it means replacing our favourite record signing!
I would like to see Castillo given another chance too, even if it means replacing our favourite record signing!
Arteta should play but only in central midfield, he can?t best a man but can spray the ball around from there more than he does on the wing.
Baines on the left, Pienaar on the right.
Help to stop their pacy wingers and also give us some pace and width.
Baines on the left, Pienaar on the right.
Help to stop their pacy wingers and also give us some pace and width.
Why shouldnt he be dropped ?
What use is a "creative" midfield player who isnt creating anything ?
This "he cant be dropped "attitude just about sums us up at the moment.
Arteta isnt the only "superstar" who thinks he’s untouchable, he and the others, need to be shaken out of their complacency.
Arteta is a talented player, probably our most talented, but if he is guarenteed a place, no matter how poorly he performs, I fear his best performances are already behind him
We have been saddled with a massive handicap for the next 5 years, thats not a moan, its just my opinion
Unfortunately we have a complacent manager who now knows no matter what, his place is guarenteed,
If we make the same mistake with the players, we’re finished
What use is a "creative" midfield player who isnt creating anything ?
This "he cant be dropped "attitude just about sums us up at the moment.
Arteta isnt the only "superstar" who thinks he’s untouchable, he and the others, need to be shaken out of their complacency.
Arteta is a talented player, probably our most talented, but if he is guarenteed a place, no matter how poorly he performs, I fear his best performances are already behind him
We have been saddled with a massive handicap for the next 5 years, thats not a moan, its just my opinion
Unfortunately we have a complacent manager who now knows no matter what, his place is guarenteed,
If we make the same mistake with the players, we’re finished
Drop Arteta, your having a laugh arent ya! and replace him with who? dont get me wrong he hasnt been at his best so far this season but hows he going to rediscover his form sitting on the bench?!! Another thing as well, why are people ranting on about Osman as if he?s the best thing since sliced bread? On form and on his day he?s a decent player, yeh decent at best but not brilliant, yeh he?s scored a few goals and what have ya but apart from that he?s too slow on the ball and takes too many touches which leads to him getting tackled and pushed off the ball easily because he?s light weight too and he hasnt got a lot of imagination or vision either which was obvious to see against Arsenal when he should of seen Almunia off his line and gone for the chip to put us two up but instead blasted wide which im pretty sure if that was Arteta in that situation would of spotted that and gone for the chip!
What our problems are is defensively, we haven't kept a clean sheet all season and we dont look like doing so either and if we don't get back to basics and become hard to beat and hard to break down then the results arent going to improve any time soon. We have got goals in us and we are capable of scoring goals versus anyone but we also look like conceding goals versus anyone as well and that needs to be sorted. If you're not playing well then you?ve got to make yourself hard to beat and not concede and take it from there, we used to be really good at shutting teams out and then knick one-nil wins and we need to get back to that and then start from there!
By far our worst midfield player this season has been Fellaini. Were he a 20-year-old that had come through our academy he wouldn?t be anywhere near the first team and probably at Chester by now!
Arteta for England!! No chance, he couldn?t even get in the England B team. This lad over the years has become more custom on just being fit that he knows he will be on the team list everytime.
DM should drop him ASAP, so what if were short on midfielders, give it to young commited player who will give it his all. Once dropped a few games, it should see the penny drop and give him a kick up the ?Anfield? for the rest of the season if his form gets better.
DM should drop him ASAP, so what if were short on midfielders, give it to young commited player who will give it his all. Once dropped a few games, it should see the penny drop and give him a kick up the ?Anfield? for the rest of the season if his form gets better.
I agree. Arteta simply does not produce consistently enough, especially against the top 4. His set pieces are consistently disappointing, and I think it would give him a kick up the backside. Look at the form Rooney is in for Man U since he was dropped the other week. I would hope Arteta would react in a similar way if he was dropped.pUnfortunately I don?t think it will ever happen, I don?t think DM would be bold enough to do it...
I’d think about subbing him a bit to let him know if he’s underperformed. Unless there are others underperforming more ... of which may be plenty.
What you need is options to replace him which we don’t seem to have.
What you need is options to replace him which we don’t seem to have.
Arteta is our best player by far, and it is ’official’! Not only that, he is ranked the 7th best midfielder in the Premier League, according to Actim - the League’s statisticians: http://www.premierleague.com/page/Top10Midfielders/0,,12306,00.html , and he is ranked the 17th best player, in all positions, in the league: http://www.premierleague.com/page/ActimIndex, by far and away our best player and contributor, but so, so alone!!
The only other Everton Player in the league’s top 100 is the Yak at 44. No Cahill, no Osman, no Jagielka, and no Piennar!
As an aside, not one Everton player has made the team of the week this year, whereas all other teams (excepting Spurs & Stoke) have done so.
The only other Everton Player in the league’s top 100 is the Yak at 44. No Cahill, no Osman, no Jagielka, and no Piennar!
As an aside, not one Everton player has made the team of the week this year, whereas all other teams (excepting Spurs & Stoke) have done so.
Craig maybe if Moyes played Arteta in his proper position (centre mid) he might hit form again. Wherever he?s been before Everton he played in the middle where he can be more involved and more of a threat to the opposition and I think he could get the team playing having him as the nucleus in the middle of midfield. He was bought to replace Gravesen and I remember him and Cahill playing in the middle of midfield on a number of occasions the season we finished fourth and we destroyed quite a few teams. the problem with putting Arteta in the middle is we lack wide players. Players like Kevin Kilbane, James Mcfadden and Simon Davies haven?t been replaced!
In defence of Cahill not being in the League's top 100 ? that's only a result of injury. He has made top 50 of Europe before.
Tony I agree about Osman when we play the big boys but at least he has managed to score against them your arteta has never hardly touched the ball against these said teams and will probably go missing too this saurday and that is why none of these teams will ever try to buy him, a good player but not as good as many think,
nevermind England or Spain be worthy a blue shirt first.
nevermind England or Spain be worthy a blue shirt first.
Arteta is NOT a central midfielder, I’m sorry. He’s ineffective there. He’s at his best with the freedom that being picked on the flank provides.
Arteta needs the ball at his feet near the opponent’s box to be most effective. When he’s picked on the flank, he can cut inside, he can swap wings and generally float looking for the ball. You put him in the centre and he has to work up and down and get’s lost. He is not the player that will dictate a game from the centre of the pitch, never has been, never will be.
A huge problem with Arteta’s performances has been the fact that the ball has not been sticking up front. If we can’t keep possession in the final 3rd, then Arteta can’t be effectively used.
If a midfield 5 of Castillo behind Cahill and Fellaini, with Arteta and Pienaar on the flanks can click, then I believe that is a good footballing midfield. We still just don’t have the players to play 4 in the middle.
Arteta needs the ball at his feet near the opponent’s box to be most effective. When he’s picked on the flank, he can cut inside, he can swap wings and generally float looking for the ball. You put him in the centre and he has to work up and down and get’s lost. He is not the player that will dictate a game from the centre of the pitch, never has been, never will be.
A huge problem with Arteta’s performances has been the fact that the ball has not been sticking up front. If we can’t keep possession in the final 3rd, then Arteta can’t be effectively used.
If a midfield 5 of Castillo behind Cahill and Fellaini, with Arteta and Pienaar on the flanks can click, then I believe that is a good footballing midfield. We still just don’t have the players to play 4 in the middle.
Richard Parker,
When has Arteta proven to be an ineffective central midfielder? He got a little run of games years ago when we where a shite team, when we had no one around him who could link with him. The likes of Kilbane, Cahill, Davies and Neville etc.
In this midfield with players like Pienaar, Osman and Fellaini around him he has players who can link with him, actually move off the ball and work there magic.
You have to be given a run of games in one position to prove yourself, given a run of games in the centre of the pitch I?m sure Arteta would a very effective creative central midfielder.
What?s stopping him? In a 4-5-1 with a defensive midfielder and Cahill alongside him he?d have willing runners. We worry far too much about solid midfielders, you don?t see the likes of Arsenal or Chelsea moving Deco or Fabregas outwide because they aren?t long distance runners nor are they going to mix it or win physical battles.
I?d personally call Arteta a poor mans Deco, a similar player with lots of technique. If we want better football and we want to control games more then Arteta is your man. He?s not perfect and he does has his limits as a player but he keeps hold of the ball, he?s got more vision than anyone at the club and he?s intelligent. Exactly what we need.
I advise you to watch Arteta closely when he plays on the right, he doesn?t come inside and look for the ball. He usually stands outwide and his movement is poor off the ball from that position. On the left he has to cut inside so he can be useful, he had a very good game from that position against Liege in the first leg.
On the left or in the centre for me, we are limiting him on the right. He sticks to the by-line, he doesn?t come looking, he gets double marked and he?s plays like a winger which doesn?t suit him. He?s our most talented player, we should find a way to get the best out of him. If we do that then we?ll be a much better team.
When has Arteta proven to be an ineffective central midfielder? He got a little run of games years ago when we where a shite team, when we had no one around him who could link with him. The likes of Kilbane, Cahill, Davies and Neville etc.
In this midfield with players like Pienaar, Osman and Fellaini around him he has players who can link with him, actually move off the ball and work there magic.
You have to be given a run of games in one position to prove yourself, given a run of games in the centre of the pitch I?m sure Arteta would a very effective creative central midfielder.
What?s stopping him? In a 4-5-1 with a defensive midfielder and Cahill alongside him he?d have willing runners. We worry far too much about solid midfielders, you don?t see the likes of Arsenal or Chelsea moving Deco or Fabregas outwide because they aren?t long distance runners nor are they going to mix it or win physical battles.
I?d personally call Arteta a poor mans Deco, a similar player with lots of technique. If we want better football and we want to control games more then Arteta is your man. He?s not perfect and he does has his limits as a player but he keeps hold of the ball, he?s got more vision than anyone at the club and he?s intelligent. Exactly what we need.
I advise you to watch Arteta closely when he plays on the right, he doesn?t come inside and look for the ball. He usually stands outwide and his movement is poor off the ball from that position. On the left he has to cut inside so he can be useful, he had a very good game from that position against Liege in the first leg.
On the left or in the centre for me, we are limiting him on the right. He sticks to the by-line, he doesn?t come looking, he gets double marked and he?s plays like a winger which doesn?t suit him. He?s our most talented player, we should find a way to get the best out of him. If we do that then we?ll be a much better team.
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