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Like all subjects the Everton fan base has those of us with extreme views that represent polar opposites (eg Dodd and Marsh). The big question is where does the club's realistic position and future fall. As we often do the merits of these overly negative or positive opinions can be debated all day. While the current gloom around the club is understandable I'm interested in what fellow Evertonians see in our future.

Are we happy to wait patiently in the hope that steady progress is the answer or are we crying out for a major shake up such as a new manager of ownership?

I personally believe the steady progress over the past few years is a positive and credit should be given to Moyes and the players for punching above our collective financial weight. The issue I see with this is its near impossible to consistently fight against the odds of other clubs having greater resources. The other issue is if best of the rest is our limit why what are we content with that or do we demand more. It this struggle to constantly punch above our weight that means no matter how much effort we put in we have seasons like the one we are currently suffering. So the other option is to be taken over allowing us to be on an even footing with clubs in terms of resources.

My perfect situation is we are taken over by someone that can provide funding for Everton but still understands that football clubs are called clubs as opposed to corporations for a reason. Owners like Randy Lerner who seem to understand that stability is a key component.

I?m not seeking to discuss if a takeover is likely but rather if its our only hope for the future. In my opinion yes it is. I began to support this club a few years back and one of the key reasons was I wanted to be part of a journey that earned success rather than bought it. I have since come to the personal conclusion that we don't even have the resources to allow us to successfully sustain a slow climb to to success.
Russell Buckley, Brisbane, Australia     Posted 24/10/2008 at 05:18:10

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Dan McKie
1   Posted 24/10/2008 at 14:44:30

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The problem is that we have punched above our weight, but you cant do it all the time as our rollercostering over the last 6 years has proved! Also, with all the new money being thrust upon the likes of Villa and Man City, it is only going to get harder as we fall even further down the weight catergory! We all know this by now though, and it is no excuse for the way the players play on the pitch, it just determines which players you can put there! If we started playing better football and seemingly try harder to really go out and beat teams (including the sky 4) then we would see less complaints, im sure! I would sooner see us really attack Man U tomorrow, even if it meant losing 4-3, lets just not play for a draw, have little or no shots on goal, and predictably lose 2-0!!
Pat Beesley
2   Posted 24/10/2008 at 14:57:31

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This subject comes up time and time again - can’t anyone think of something new? Just ’cos the sun is shining on you cobber, the sun ain’t shining here in more ways than one!!!
Billy Dean
3   Posted 24/10/2008 at 15:00:16

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Three words: Obvious. The. Stating.
Ste Kenny
4   Posted 24/10/2008 at 15:18:45

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My opinion changes on this subject day to day if I?m honest.

I would be embarrased if we were bought out and started throwing money around like confetti, on the other hand it kills me that we go begging around europe trying to buy players on the HP with money we obviously havent got.

Whether we have punched above our weight however is open to debate. I feel that ourselves, spurs and villa should be challenging at the top of the table and you dont need enormous amounts of money to do it. Arsene Wenger is proof of this as he consistently develops players with potential into top drawer footballers.

I think this is the route we will have to take to get anywhere near the champions league over the next 3-5 years as even if we were bought out there is a lot of money needed with regards to ground moves/refurbishments etc before we strengthen the team.

I know it?s a fantasy but I would love a group of players to come thropugh our youth system in the way it happened at Man Utd with Beckham, Scholes etc. and for our success to come this way...
Dan McKie
5   Posted 24/10/2008 at 15:44:52

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I hear what you are sayin Ste, but the problem is, is that even the young kids with potential are going to the teams with money! Don’t be fooled into thinking that the way Arsenal get their players is cheap, they invest large sums of cash in youngsters, to the point of the parents getting money and houses and what not! Even years back there was a story about Joe Cole and his family receiving £5000 a week from West Ham when from being 15 years old, to stave off bigger clubs (could have just been crap from the papers tho), but it shows what teams can be up against, even at that level!
Larry boner
6   Posted 24/10/2008 at 15:43:06

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The one thing that sent shivers down my spine at the end of last season was the statement by Keith Wyness that the club had over performed. In the business sense this normally means that they have not budgeted to be in this position, with the necessary investment now required for the club to move forward unavailable.

So it proved, while we all licked our lips at the prospect of Joao Moutinho, etc what was in the pipeline was has beens or never wassers. We find ourselves in a situation with no money, a micro squad of good players capable of playing at a higher level, but no way to reach that level and stay there. The club mortgaged to the hilt with the prospect in January of possibly having to sell our best players to survive due to falling gates and revenue (out of 2 comps already).

Richard Dodd
7   Posted 24/10/2008 at 15:58:42

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I think I speak for most of us when I say that the ideal scenario would be for a wealthy investor to come in and be just that.To leave Bill and Davey in their present positions but with the advantage of having funds to spend on the team and infra-structure of the club.I know that’s what they are both hoping for and working towards and that can only be good for EFC. The thought of some Arab coming in a la Man City is appalling when the need to maintain the traditions of our great institution is so vitally important to so many of us lifelong supporters.
In the meantime we must not get carried off on a depression by a temporary blip in our fortunes.It will all come right ,believe me
Dan McKie
8   Posted 24/10/2008 at 16:17:56

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Richard, so if Bill Kenwright remains top dog but doesnt put his own money in, then what exactly would he be doing? (Some might say what he is doing now haha)
Ciarán McGlone
9   Posted 24/10/2008 at 16:31:18

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We are a stale club...and have been going stale since Kenwright took us over and tried to seduce everyone with a three card monte.

I lay the blame for this squarely at Kenwright's feet ? and he is quite possibly going to be responsible for the demise of a potentially good manager.
Ciarán McGlone
10   Posted 24/10/2008 at 16:34:39

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Adam Bennett,

I never agree with players being used out of their natural positions... and you?ve got several.

That is one of Moyes?s major problems... and I wish he?d desist.
Ste Kenny
11   Posted 24/10/2008 at 16:33:39

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Richard,

I almost always disagree with what you say as do many others. Don?t assume you speak for me!!!

Why would Bill Kenwright stay at Everton when he no longer has a financial interest? He?s admitted that he?s no businessman and claims to be just a fan. He has the same right as me or you to ask to be chairman. IMO he is the single biggest barrier to our club moving forwards.
Ciarán McGlone
12   Posted 24/10/2008 at 16:47:32

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Dodd,

The only person you speak for is yourself. You are certainly in a minority that want Kenwright to remain at this club in any form - in fact I think you are him.
Roy Coyne
13   Posted 24/10/2008 at 17:10:45

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Richard, you are entitled to your opinion and, as much as I disagree with everything you say, I will defend your right to say it. Until now how the hell do you work out you speak for the most of us? I seem to recall that every post you have the vast majority are against it so please post what you believe about our club. But under no circumstances assume you speak for the rest of us to say you are dreaming is putting it mildly, may I suggest you try to keep your self importance under control.
Robbie Skinley
14   Posted 24/10/2008 at 17:15:25

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Personally I’d like Kenwright to stay on in some capacity, wouldn’t just want to see a foreign owner come in and not have a blue in a position of influence.
Can’t see him remaining as chairman in the event of a takeover though.
As for some of the abuse the man takes on this site, he’s made mistakes but some people go way over the top! Would you rather have the Yanks over the park?
Michael Kenrick
15   Posted 24/10/2008 at 18:02:32

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Richard Dodd, I tolerate most of your ridiculous posts mainly because they make you look just that ? ridiculous. But I have asked you before to stop claiming that you speak for "the majority of Evertonians" or "most of us". You speak only for yourself, like all individuals who post on this website. You may have like-minded friends (god forbid... and the collateral evidence from the Freshy suggests that is unlikely) and there are those out there who may actually agree with you. But let them speak for themselves as well.

Trying to back up your highly questionable assertions by claiming you speak for some silent majority just doesn’t cut it. Desist.

Andrew Laird
16   Posted 24/10/2008 at 18:20:53

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I am in two minds about investment, on the one hand it would give us much needed ammunition in vying for top players on the other we might start whoring ourselves around Europe trying to buy anyone with 2 legs and a fancy name. I personally don?t think that you can have success with steady progress as with each season the gap between top clubs and also-rans widens even further. So to that end I believe we do need a new owner who has scruples and excellent business acumen while still being in tune with local needs. Just who fits that bill is another question as they probably don?t exist!

Unfortunately I do not see why anyone would invest in the club if the chairman who has put us in the financial mire insists he has any control whatsoever. Why would a successful businessman or woman gamble their money on such a poorly run club off the pitch in so many different areas by letting the person responsible play any part in their investment? This is the biggest problem to finding investment, the grip of Kenwright's pinkies. We could debate 'til we were all mighty blue in the face.
Ivor Preece
17   Posted 24/10/2008 at 20:22:23

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I suspect that the ring-fencing BB has put around the sale of his shares is such that there will be no takers. My worry is that like the Leeds outfit, he will cling on until the club is in such debt that it will go into administration. The ridiculous contract for Moyes shows that he still wishes to exert control well beyond his sell-by date.
Jay Harris
18   Posted 24/10/2008 at 22:11:23

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As most people know, I have rallied long and hard against "Black Bill" and his sycophants.

I can't stand liars but to add arrogance and incompetence to that really underlines all that I feel is wrong with Everton.

I never ever believed he hadn't had approaches from interested buyers, especially when we qualified for the Champions League because back then we were a bargain club with little debt and poised to break into the elite.

But once again BK dashed our hopes just like KD for personal egotistical reasons.

He has now taken us to record debt, sold off most of our assets, and given us the smallest, weakest squad in our history ? at a time when you can name 7 subs!!
Dave Johnson
19   Posted 25/10/2008 at 14:56:43

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Why the hell would we want to keep hold of Kenwright? So he can say "Watch This Space" with conviction.
Thomas Christensen
20   Posted 24/10/2008 at 20:10:33

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"Joleon Lescott reckons Everton?s supporters can make a difference against Manchester United tomorrow."

Who the fuck is he trying to kid... playing 4-4-2 at home will help make a difference, Lescott playing as well as he had done all last season can help make the difference. Suggesting that we as fans need to get behind the team will make the difference is plain stupid...

Rooney having a shocker and going off injured at half time, now that will make the difference, Joleon.


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