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Coming home from the game today and listening to Ferguson being interviewed, I must have been at a different game to the one he attended. I didn't take my eye off one minute of the game so I am left wondering which were the dangerous tackles on his players he was moaning about. I didn't see any at all.
Phil Neville's tackle on Ronaldo was perfectly fair, a lot fairer than the tackles Ferguson used to put in as a player and a lot fairer than challenges some of his whiter than white players (e.g. Keane, Rooney & Scholes) have put in down the years. I can't think of any poor challanges at all, Jagielka was booked for a mistimed challenge and Felliani for one foul too many. Yet Giggs escaped with a lunge from behind and persistent chirping to the referee with no booking at all (in fact I thought Giggs refereed the game much better than Wiley).
What an ungracious character Ferguson is. He complains about Wiley when any observer wouldn't hesitate to say that the referee yet again favoured a Sky4 club.
Lee Gorre, Posted 26/10/2008 at 09:50:50
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Robbie, let me know when you are going to do it ? I will distract the stewards for you. Phil?s tackle was a good hard one that years ago was common place and to me anyhow the game is poorer for not having them now.
What about Brown's on the Yak as he was going clear? The amount of times the crying winger wanted someone booked for winning the ball. Fatboy's attempt of a tackle on Atreta. Just a few the crying Govan bastard forgot to mention... fuck him. UP THE TOFFEES.
Diving is one of the worst aspects of football and now one is worse than Man Utd and Ranaldo. Couldn?t agree more with the above posts. Ronaldo went down and rolled around on the ground like he had been hit with a chainsaw in the stomach.
Absolute disgrace. I couldn?t bring myself to do that even if it got a penalty. Plus the Man Utd reaction to that tackle says it all.
Absolute disgrace. I couldn?t bring myself to do that even if it got a penalty. Plus the Man Utd reaction to that tackle says it all.
Lee and others: Sir Alex is not a fool or an idiot. He does not of course believe what he is saying. What he is doing is simply continuing the consistent policy of the Big Four teams. Which is, both on and off the field, to pressurise the referees into favouring his team. Ferguson is doing exactly what Giggs and Ferdinand did on the pitch (and what Gerrard and Lampard, Terry and Carragher do week in and week out) - make referees realise that they will make life difficult for them if they go against them in any way. Like manager, like player...
Ferguson, like Benitez and Wenger when they come out with the same obvious crap, are saying to the NEXT ref: if you don’t favour my players, I will kick up a stink against you in the media. It is dishonest, it is cynical - and it is effective.
The Big Four teams have a big advantage in this, caused by their position in the eye of the media. If Moyes or Ince or Zola had made such comments about their players ’not being protected’, it wouldn’t even have been reported, and we would never have heard of the comments. Now Man Utd’s next ref knows he needs to be careful. And he will be. (As Wiley was this time.)
Ferguson, like Benitez and Wenger when they come out with the same obvious crap, are saying to the NEXT ref: if you don’t favour my players, I will kick up a stink against you in the media. It is dishonest, it is cynical - and it is effective.
The Big Four teams have a big advantage in this, caused by their position in the eye of the media. If Moyes or Ince or Zola had made such comments about their players ’not being protected’, it wouldn’t even have been reported, and we would never have heard of the comments. Now Man Utd’s next ref knows he needs to be careful. And he will be. (As Wiley was this time.)
I dont know where Ferguson is coming from at all. I thought the game wasn't a dirty one but a well fought one. I do however agree with anyone who said Wiley was biased. He was bloody ridiculous with his refereeing decisions namely the Yakubu decision and he went on what the Utd players did for the Neville tackle. I was pleased, however, when he reciprocated the final whistle for the half-time one where we had a throw-in and at final they had a corner. I was very pleased with the Blues display, very pleased. Someone is going to get a hammering from us soon... Come on you Blues.
Neil - I think you’ve got it exactly on the nail. And we see how it works week in week out. Only one quibble - I prefer the term Sky4 to big four myself.
Neil - You're are spot on and that's my point, it's that type of attitude and diving that is ruining football.
Personally, I ignore anything Ferguson says after games. It the same record, he will never openly say anything about incidents like the Rooney one, but will paper over it, always backs his players and always complains that ?their tackles were too strong?.
In fairness I very much doubt Rooney got away without a bit of word or two from Ferguson in private.
I can?t say I appreciate the way managers like Ferguson are. But I can?t fault his record, and he can?t be as blinkered as he seems. Maybe more than just Rooney getting harsh words from Ferguson after Saturday's results.
As for Ronaldo, he won?t be playing in England much longer, he looks completely fed up.
In fairness I very much doubt Rooney got away without a bit of word or two from Ferguson in private.
I can?t say I appreciate the way managers like Ferguson are. But I can?t fault his record, and he can?t be as blinkered as he seems. Maybe more than just Rooney getting harsh words from Ferguson after Saturday's results.
As for Ronaldo, he won?t be playing in England much longer, he looks completely fed up.
I always like listening to Ferguson on the BBC - he talks far more sense on this channel.
Rooney had already been booked for a foul on Mikel Arteta when he kissed his Man Utd badge in front of the Park End fans.
"I don?t know why he was booked," Ferguson claimed, "But I had fears about the way the referee was behaving, the crowd was reacting and I thought he might be sent off.
Hilarious! Sums up the cunt ? it was the referee that was the problem... haha!!!
"I don?t know why he was booked," Ferguson claimed, "But I had fears about the way the referee was behaving, the crowd was reacting and I thought he might be sent off.
Hilarious! Sums up the cunt ? it was the referee that was the problem... haha!!!
Neil Pearse sums up perfectly in his article.
But there are two things I would like to see happen here:
I would like to see Moyes and maybe other Prem managers adopt the same attitude as the the likes of Fergie, Wenger and that smug twat Benitez before and after games; they have a unique knack of being able to manipulate the minds of referees up to a point were the refs are under added pressures to do well for the Sky4 etc. The way we have been treated over the past two seasons alone (the derby & Blackburn away) has been a disgrace but I am left baffled by the lack of complaining we do towards the FA over such poor and incompetent, biased refereeing.
The second thing I would like to see is a dedicated panel set up to scrutinize harsh yellow or red card decisions with the objective of changing refs decisions completely; as well as challenging some of the pathetic diving (Ronaldo / Torres etc) in order to have decisions changed and other players properly disciplined after the weekend's football; only then will we see a change in players' attitudes when diving or attempting to wrong other players as well as seeing the refs do their job a little more accurately without the added glare of the Sky4.
But there are two things I would like to see happen here:
I would like to see Moyes and maybe other Prem managers adopt the same attitude as the the likes of Fergie, Wenger and that smug twat Benitez before and after games; they have a unique knack of being able to manipulate the minds of referees up to a point were the refs are under added pressures to do well for the Sky4 etc. The way we have been treated over the past two seasons alone (the derby & Blackburn away) has been a disgrace but I am left baffled by the lack of complaining we do towards the FA over such poor and incompetent, biased refereeing.
The second thing I would like to see is a dedicated panel set up to scrutinize harsh yellow or red card decisions with the objective of changing refs decisions completely; as well as challenging some of the pathetic diving (Ronaldo / Torres etc) in order to have decisions changed and other players properly disciplined after the weekend's football; only then will we see a change in players' attitudes when diving or attempting to wrong other players as well as seeing the refs do their job a little more accurately without the added glare of the Sky4.
Rooney actually made no contact with Arteta at all and it did not warrant a booking whatsoever, watch the replay. As for his badge-kissing antics I actually think it makes the little fat get look even more stupid than he already is. It didn't make me angry it just made me laugh as it proved the chants ?fat little knobhead? had got to him. As a professional he should be able to deal with that without losing it.
Ed, agree with you about Rooney, his tackle was fair, as was Neville?s and didn?t deserve a booking. However, I have to disagree with you on the badge kissing, it was a deliberate attempt to incite trouble in the crowd and I personally think Rooney should?ve walked for it. I?m a little surprised the media didn?t pick up on it, maybe it?s too contentious, we?ll all pretend it didn?t happen. His actions underline the attitude within MUFC, they lack class in every sense.
Neil is spot on. Ferguson has conducted a campaign for years and the intent is to apply gradual psychological pressure on referees. He knows he?s talking crap but it?s human nature that his comments will affect Wiley in the future.
Wiley?s performance on Saturday was a product of Ferguson?s campaign. The FA should not permit this. Any direct abuse of referees should result in a points deduction.
If any Everton player disgraced himself the way Ronaldo did I wouldn?t want to see him in the shirt again. It?s not the Everton way and I hope DM has cracked down on the Yak?s diving.
Agree with you Ed, I was in stiches when Rooney kissed his badge, all the lads I go the match with were the exact same, all of us shouting, "He’s lost it, he’s fooking lost it!"
It didn’t wind me up one bit, now the ladybody is a different matter, I very rarely use this word on forums, but he is a cunt of the highest order.
It didn’t wind me up one bit, now the ladybody is a different matter, I very rarely use this word on forums, but he is a cunt of the highest order.
Ferguson is merely responding to what he feels are dropped points ? he always complains about something if they don't win a game, mind you, so do most managers.
He knows full well that a game against us is going to be a tough encounter, both physically and mentally, especially at Goodison ? if they?d won he wouldn't say a word about it.
He knows full well that a game against us is going to be a tough encounter, both physically and mentally, especially at Goodison ? if they?d won he wouldn't say a word about it.
There?s a general point here about the behaviour of the Sky4 and their attitude towards the rest of the league. Ferguson, Wenger and the Spaniard trot out these comments week after week and the shame is that most commentators have become desensitized to it. Rooney?s antics are further evidence of the prevailing attitude within MUFC. Whether he realises it or not, kissing the badge to upset the opposing fans shows just how little the badge actually means to him; a point which I?m sure will be lost on him.
Ferguson strikes again. Whenever a result doesn?t go quite his way, he?ll spout off in the press about one aspect of the game, sometimes picking something relatively small (like the tackling).
The press then pick that up and then all of the chatter is about Man U and how they?ve been cheated, rather than a balanced report of us more than matching them (in the second half at least).
Classic PR spin-doctoring and Ferguson is a master at it.
The press then pick that up and then all of the chatter is about Man U and how they?ve been cheated, rather than a balanced report of us more than matching them (in the second half at least).
Classic PR spin-doctoring and Ferguson is a master at it.
Agree with you Andy. If the ’respect’ campaign was at all serious, Ferdinand would have been immediately booked for running thirty yards to intimidate Wiley on Saturday, and Ferguson would be in trouble for his comments. Gerrard, Carragher and Terry would miss a game every couple of months as their intimidation bookings piled up. In a different world, unfortunately...
On goals on Sunday, Ex pros Ian Wright and Ray Parlour summed up cheating Ronaldo perfectly. And I would like to think that messrs Giggs, Ferdinand, and Van der Sar, apologised to Phil Neville, after watching the so-called bad tackle on tv.
And as for Wiley, we all know what he is about. just a puppet.
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One more thing, Ronaldo is a faggott tart who next time he writhes on the floor like he has been stabbed I will run onto the pitch and throw a handbag and a bra at him for he is no man!