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Will he never learn?
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I see David Moyes is back playing his old record: "Our strikers must work harder." Apparently, Yakubu, Saha and Co should be back fighting for every ball "as we just haven't got players capable of playing pretty balls to feet." Now whilst that tempts the question as to "why not, after six years?", I can't help thinking that his destruction of Beattie and Johnson as effective strikers has taught our manager nothing.
Whilst I agree that forwards should always put in a good shift, few top-notch finishers have ever expected to be covering every blade of grass as Moyes demands of them. Surely, 'being available' up front is the most likely means of scoring rather than via the headless chicken approach so beloved of this genius.
I haven't the slightest doubt that Yakubu will not be with us for long and whilst Saha will do everything initially to impress his manager, I doubt whether he has any chance of maintaining his career record of 1 goal in 3 under this regime.
Still, only five more years to endure, eh?
Brian Noble, Posted 28/10/2008 at 11:03:40
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Trust Nobby! He never misses a chance to use a selective quote to knock our manager. It?s totally untrue to say that Davey ?ruined? Beattie and AJ. They both did well with us for a while and scored some valuable goals. When they left, Everton got a good return ? in AJ?s case a profit. I felt that they left us as better all-round players than when they arrived.
Yeah drop the Yak. He hardly ever scores anyway (sarcasm).
Brian Noble, do you call yourself an Evertonian? Lay off the stupid comments and dont give up your day job, because you're not a football expert!!
Nobby seems to be vieing with Harry Meek to take over the Marsh mantle!
What Moyes was trying to point out was that our strikers don?t ?put in a shift? and can?t expect it laid on a plate for them. The Yak?s body language is appalling whilst Saha looks lost half the time. They MUST get back and do their stint like everybody else is expected to.
What Moyes was trying to point out was that our strikers don?t ?put in a shift? and can?t expect it laid on a plate for them. The Yak?s body language is appalling whilst Saha looks lost half the time. They MUST get back and do their stint like everybody else is expected to.
Agree with you Darrel, OK it?s good to see tactical subs, but wasn?t this a game that cried out for JV?s pace and tenacity? Moye?s will probably point at the freekick he gave away which could have cost us the point at the death... but he?s visibly frustrated at having to sit on the bench until two minutes before the end.
Also, how bad must especially Osman, Arteta and Pienaar, let alone the other players being labelled incapable of playing pretty balls to feet? What a ridiculous thing to say! So WBA have better players? OK they?re not winning games but they play it to feet etc, and their biggest problem seems to be their relatively toothless attack and porous defence ? but we can hardly start throwing stones in that department!
One of AJ?s biggest problems, IMO (and lots have people have said this), is that he didn?t turn round and say "What the fuck was that?", instead he?d charge around after shit balls hoofed vaguely in his direction wearing himself down constantly, so that when he did get a sniff, he might not be as sharp as he could have been if he hadn?t just been doing shuttle runs courtesy of our Toblerone footed defence.
Why Moyes is trying to alienate himself from a selection of exciting "youth" players along with some established first-teamers is beyond me.
Also, how bad must especially Osman, Arteta and Pienaar, let alone the other players being labelled incapable of playing pretty balls to feet? What a ridiculous thing to say! So WBA have better players? OK they?re not winning games but they play it to feet etc, and their biggest problem seems to be their relatively toothless attack and porous defence ? but we can hardly start throwing stones in that department!
One of AJ?s biggest problems, IMO (and lots have people have said this), is that he didn?t turn round and say "What the fuck was that?", instead he?d charge around after shit balls hoofed vaguely in his direction wearing himself down constantly, so that when he did get a sniff, he might not be as sharp as he could have been if he hadn?t just been doing shuttle runs courtesy of our Toblerone footed defence.
Why Moyes is trying to alienate himself from a selection of exciting "youth" players along with some established first-teamers is beyond me.
Manager tells players to work horder shocker!!!!! Next week the World is round exclusive.
Brian of course the manager is telling him to buck up his ideas, as he hasn?t scored in 5/6 games. The Yak has come out and praised Moyes, confirming he is in the best shape of his life. He has probably ran more in the season he has been with us than the whole of his Borough career.
We do not have the midfield to allow our forwards to wait, hand on hips for the killer ball so I have no problem with a manager telling a forward they have to work for their goals.
Are you taking over for Marsh this week, as I doubt he will post unless he comes on to condemn Moyes for not not bringing on Vaughan earlier (which may be justifiable).
Brian of course the manager is telling him to buck up his ideas, as he hasn?t scored in 5/6 games. The Yak has come out and praised Moyes, confirming he is in the best shape of his life. He has probably ran more in the season he has been with us than the whole of his Borough career.
We do not have the midfield to allow our forwards to wait, hand on hips for the killer ball so I have no problem with a manager telling a forward they have to work for their goals.
Are you taking over for Marsh this week, as I doubt he will post unless he comes on to condemn Moyes for not not bringing on Vaughan earlier (which may be justifiable).
There are things said and done for which Moyes rightly gets criticised.
Then there are some things that he says or does that are criticised simply for the sake of moaning at him.
Asking your strikers to work hard is one of these.
I think we all saw what a difference that attitude of chasing and harrying their defenders did on Saturday. And this was against the best team in the world.
All he has said is that at the moment they need to be working hard to help give the team a platform as we are not currently palying well enough to simply put chance after chance on a plate for them without some hard work to get there.
Against the vast majority of teams if you put their defence under pressure when they have the ball, they will either hoof it or give it away. (A bit like ourselves!)
If we do that against the poor teams we will have more than enough of the ball to provide the strikers with the chances to keep them happy.
As we are constantly told, Ian Rush used to be their first line of defence. I think they did ok.
Then there are some things that he says or does that are criticised simply for the sake of moaning at him.
Asking your strikers to work hard is one of these.
I think we all saw what a difference that attitude of chasing and harrying their defenders did on Saturday. And this was against the best team in the world.
All he has said is that at the moment they need to be working hard to help give the team a platform as we are not currently palying well enough to simply put chance after chance on a plate for them without some hard work to get there.
Against the vast majority of teams if you put their defence under pressure when they have the ball, they will either hoof it or give it away. (A bit like ourselves!)
If we do that against the poor teams we will have more than enough of the ball to provide the strikers with the chances to keep them happy.
As we are constantly told, Ian Rush used to be their first line of defence. I think they did ok.
Hey, Nobby, behave yourself! Criticising Davey is sooo last week! He?s a hero again now mate. Haven?t you heard? He masterminded a point at home AGAINST MANCHESTER UNITED. All our troubles are behind us ? five years of glory to look forward to!
I think you?ve slightly misunderstood what DM was saying there, Brian.
My understanding is that Moyes was saying that in recent performances the midfield have not been feeding the strikers as they can do and did do last season, so at the moment the strikers need to track and back and work harder to create chances.
My understanding is that Moyes was saying that in recent performances the midfield have not been feeding the strikers as they can do and did do last season, so at the moment the strikers need to track and back and work harder to create chances.
We seem to have an abundance of players who only play well as individuals when the team plays well as a unit and this can lead to a catch-22 situation, which I think we were suffering from. However, I don?t think you can honestly believe that the ability of the existing midfield is no better than the one from 6 years ago! Watson, Gravesen and Unsworth or Pienaar, Arteta and Cahill?
Hopefully now the confidence will grow and the midfielders will start putting things on a plate for Yak, Saha and Co. We need 2 good wins tomorrow and Saturday.
I so WANT us to do well but I can?t believe there is so much optimism on the back of one half-decent performance. The only thing consistent about this team is their inconsistency and I shan?t be too surprised if all we get from these two games is a single point.
It will be interesting to see how AJ performs next week when we play Fukham [mis-spelling intended!!] and whether he scores against us!! They are one if our bogey teams remember!! And, of course, now the Spurs game isn?t that far off, no doubt, under Harry, they will have got their act together. Trust us not to play Man U or Spurs when they are poor although give our guys some credit, they played bloody well the second half and I was proud of them. It would be nice to see that sort of performance out of them every game.
My belief is that strikers are most dangerous in and around the opponent's box and not out wide or chasing balls down the channels, so I agree with Brian on that score. I don't think Moyes is capable of getting the best out of any strikers but he has done a decent job finding a role that suits Cahill. The problem we have got is fitting Cahill in to a 4-4-2 set up which often finds us out.
As for Saha, I just don't rate him at all and think we got him 4 years past his sell-by date. It has to be Vaughan for me every time and only small cameo appearances for Saha if any at all. Even Big Vic deserves it more than Saha, who in all honesty would struggle at any club in the Premier League and not just here.
As for Saha, I just don't rate him at all and think we got him 4 years past his sell-by date. It has to be Vaughan for me every time and only small cameo appearances for Saha if any at all. Even Big Vic deserves it more than Saha, who in all honesty would struggle at any club in the Premier League and not just here.
Sorry, Brian, but you are wrong. There have been countless times I've seen Tevez, Rooney and even Park fighting for every ball possible. If the Champions of the Prem and Europe are doing it, there must be a good reason for it. Maybe because it gets you more chances on goal. The more chances you get the more likely you are to score.
I read Moyes?s comment the same way that Alasdair did ? the aim is to get the strikers (note the plural) running onto balls passed in to them, but for the moment its all hands to the pumps. There must be little doubt that we have been suffering for lack of pre-season preparation (plus injury/suspension) and only now are the players gaining the experience of playing together where it counts, in real competition.
Bolton and Fulham are going to be quite different challenges, but at least the squad is together and should be up for it.
Bolton and Fulham are going to be quite different challenges, but at least the squad is together and should be up for it.
James Vaughan is a carthorse... we have far better forwards, including Vic, who has overtaken Vaughan in terms of development.
Vaughan is a another ?academy? striker who is just not good enough.
Vaughan is a another ?academy? striker who is just not good enough.
Christ if we want to score goals then we have to learn to play ?pretty little balls to feet?. A striker or strikers are in the team to score goals. They should be your main attacking threat and therefore when you prepare your team to attack they should know what the strengths of the strikers are and play to those strengths.
For instance, how often do we create a chance for one of our strikers to have a clear shot in front of goal? I can answer that question for you?..NEVER. If you think we do tell me the last time we did? Why do strikers at Arsenal score loads of goals? Because their team mates play to their strengths! Their manager put players in midfield capable of passing the ball to feet or through defences.
I?m not criticising DM here. I think I?m stating the bloody obvious. If we are going to play with two strikers! And if we want them to score goals then we have to start passing to them and creating chances for them. Let?s face it fella?s, we don?t ever do this. So when the Yak or Saha don?t score any goals for weeks on end think about the reasons why. Are they just shite? well their records speak for themselves.
Only Henry has scored more then the Yak in the league since the Yak signed for Portsmouth. (Yes Portsmouth who regularly scored hundreds of goals a season?..not) Saha?s record is something like 1 in 3 at United. Not as impressive but hey it?s still a very good record. I can guarantee all of you that they never picked the ball up on the half way line and beat 7 players before rounding the keeper to score all their goals. (They wouldn?t be here if they did) Their team mates created chances for them.
So to get to the end of all this, when DM chooses his team, does he expect the Yak to roam around tackling back chasing down midfielders in his own half to win the ball back, then make up the 60 or so yards back to the opposition penalty area to get on the end of a scuffed cross that?s aimed at no-one in particular? I?m sorry but for me part of the striker?s job IS to close down defenders when they have the ball.
This is more effective when you have two strikers sharing the load. But I want my strikers to have the energy to cause problems for the defenders when they get the ball, not be so fucking knackered that they can?t chase down or run clear or think straight enough to remain composed.
In my book a striker?s energy is best spent in the opposition half. If your midfield isn?t good enough to pass the ball to them then it?s firstly the managers fault for not buying players who can do the most basic and most important part of being a footballer??PASSING the BALL to one of YOUR TEAM MATES. Really?. it?s not hard. The running is the hard part.
Spot on John.
I'm a bit of a James Vaughan sceptic myself. I don't think he has shown nearly enough when he has been given a chance and his enthusiasm often works against him when it comes to his first touch! He needs a loan out so he can get some proper games under his belt! Leon Osman went here, there and everywhere before he got his chance!
I understand what Brian is trying to say here having thought along similar lines myself. Moyes?s teams by and large play long balls to the front or play the ball sideways in midfield with no penetration. The likes of the Yak, whose quality is proven, need to be fed balls into space where explosive pace over a few yards is required. He can?t be expected to run up and down the field like a blue arse fly. There?d be no energy required at the vital moment.
It?s not true to say that Beattie and Johnson left better players than when they arrived. They left bereft of confidence and one-dimensional, straight jacketed by the demands of our tactics that required them to chase lost causes rather than be on the end of crosses (in Beattie?s case) or incisive balls behind the defence (in Johnson?s case). We made money on Johnson because of inflationary prices, we actually lost money on Beattie.
In actual fact neither of them were truly top notch strikers but, in my opinion, Yakubu IS. Let?s hope Moyes?s tactics don?t end up ruining him as well.
It?s not true to say that Beattie and Johnson left better players than when they arrived. They left bereft of confidence and one-dimensional, straight jacketed by the demands of our tactics that required them to chase lost causes rather than be on the end of crosses (in Beattie?s case) or incisive balls behind the defence (in Johnson?s case). We made money on Johnson because of inflationary prices, we actually lost money on Beattie.
In actual fact neither of them were truly top notch strikers but, in my opinion, Yakubu IS. Let?s hope Moyes?s tactics don?t end up ruining him as well.
Reminds me of the great Roy Vernon who, after leaving us and then Stoke, eventually drifted down the leagues as age caught up with him. During one half-time team talk when his team, I can?t remember who, were getting bollocked, the manager said "And you could help a bit Roy, by running around more"
"If they can?t find me when I?m standing still they?ve got no fucking chance if I run around"....
Yeh, Ray, he and Bob Latchford were both lazy gets weren’t they? But both brilliant goalscorers.
These days all players have to play back and front. A £12 million pound Kuyt plays more at right back than striker but gets up front when it matters. However, you still need one other front man to stay there except for dead-ball situations if the front man is tall. Yaks is strong but not that quick so you would leave him up front as long as other players can get up in support quickly. Trouble is Yaks can?t hold the ball long enough and Vaughan, Anichebe or Saha haven?t fared much better so far.
This romantic notion of footballers standing round spraying stunning passes, and forwards doing nothing but lashing the ball into the net is a complete and utter fallacy. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to wise up.
All the best teams have players that work hard in every area of the pitch and modern football teams have to attack ? and defend ? as a team. Personally, I believe that a lot of the problems with conceding goals this season has been down to the lack of closing down done by the front players and the extra space this affords the opposition.
The best players are at the best (richest) clubs, and if you don?t have the quality to compete man for man, then you have to work that much harder to make sure that the quality you do have is able to make it?s presence felt.
All the best teams have players that work hard in every area of the pitch and modern football teams have to attack ? and defend ? as a team. Personally, I believe that a lot of the problems with conceding goals this season has been down to the lack of closing down done by the front players and the extra space this affords the opposition.
The best players are at the best (richest) clubs, and if you don?t have the quality to compete man for man, then you have to work that much harder to make sure that the quality you do have is able to make it?s presence felt.
It may be that we are confusing two issues here - what the role of the striker should be, and what has to happen when the team (or squad) is struggling for numbers. Yes, the front players should close down the opponents, but , apart from set pieces, we really don’t want them back and giving the ball away outside our penalty area (Yak vs Newky; Vaughan vs Mancs).
When Yak came to us he could score goals. He slimmed down a bit and became a more powerful player, scoring well but roaming further. I doubt that he was under orders to do that, but felt that he was now a "better" player. I think that he would have scored on Saturday if he was the player he used to be.
When Yak came to us he could score goals. He slimmed down a bit and became a more powerful player, scoring well but roaming further. I doubt that he was under orders to do that, but felt that he was now a "better" player. I think that he would have scored on Saturday if he was the player he used to be.
Keith,
It’s the old cliche about "defending from the front". No more, no less.
If the opposition have the ball, then Moyes wants our strikers to close down the players in their area of the pitch. Several times on Saturday Yakubu could be seen trotting near the United defenders and making no more than a token attempt to close them down, let alone try to win back possession.
If you don’t have the ball and your forward is trying to win it back for you, that puts an enormous burden on the rest of your team.
As usual though, the likes of Brian and Harry are overlooking these facts and simply using this quote as more ammunition to beat Moyes with.
Presumably, I’ll be labelled a "Moyes apologist" ?
It’s the old cliche about "defending from the front". No more, no less.
If the opposition have the ball, then Moyes wants our strikers to close down the players in their area of the pitch. Several times on Saturday Yakubu could be seen trotting near the United defenders and making no more than a token attempt to close them down, let alone try to win back possession.
If you don’t have the ball and your forward is trying to win it back for you, that puts an enormous burden on the rest of your team.
As usual though, the likes of Brian and Harry are overlooking these facts and simply using this quote as more ammunition to beat Moyes with.
Presumably, I’ll be labelled a "Moyes apologist" ?
Talking of strikers, I couldn't understand why, judging by the financial state of the club, we didn't go for Kevin Phillips. I think he could of done a job for us, the lad maybe in the twilight of his career but I think he would of helped young Vaughanie along nicely. I often think of Paul Power as someone who, although in the twilight of his career, proved a very shrewd signing.
John - I’m sure we are talking about the same thing here in much the same way.
As for being an apolgist for Moyes - his first five year plan needs no apology (in PL and Euro terms), but the next 5 couldn’t have got off to much of a poorer start. 45 minutes later, we have belief again. With the usual reservations, he now has the matter in his own hands. I think he’s been through some kind of personal crisis. I think, hope and pray that he’s through it.
As for being an apolgist for Moyes - his first five year plan needs no apology (in PL and Euro terms), but the next 5 couldn’t have got off to much of a poorer start. 45 minutes later, we have belief again. With the usual reservations, he now has the matter in his own hands. I think he’s been through some kind of personal crisis. I think, hope and pray that he’s through it.
As John Taylor says, forget the romantic notions. If anybody wants proof a look at 2 of the best ever games by 2 of the best ever teams.
1) EFC Vs Bayern; who is on the line, trying to stop their opener, on his own, having tracked back? SHEEDY!
2) Lisbon Vs Man Utd; who are on the posts defending a corner and then come hurtling out to play them off and keep on going to get back up front?? Charlton and Law!
Check and see.... nuff said
1) EFC Vs Bayern; who is on the line, trying to stop their opener, on his own, having tracked back? SHEEDY!
2) Lisbon Vs Man Utd; who are on the posts defending a corner and then come hurtling out to play them off and keep on going to get back up front?? Charlton and Law!
Check and see.... nuff said
Note: To David Moyes & Robert Elstone.
David if we had players capable of
"Playing pretty little balls to feet" we might actually win something or have got into the top four.
Robert I?m sure "playing pretty little balls to feet" would fill Goodison week in, week out.
Just a thought!
David if we had players capable of
"Playing pretty little balls to feet" we might actually win something or have got into the top four.
Robert I?m sure "playing pretty little balls to feet" would fill Goodison week in, week out.
Just a thought!
I have to be the first one to give Moyes credit for the way he chose 4-4-2 on Saturday. For once, he was brave and bold and I believe had we chosen that option away at the Emirates a week earlier we would have celebrated a win.
You could see right the way through the second half United just felt so uncomfortable having two strikers to keep tabs on and it's seen no better than when Fellaini scored his goal, Yakubu and Saha both occupy Ferdinand and Vidic?s attentions enough to allow Fellaini to get that leap ahead of Vidic and score the crucial goal.
Even have to compliment the fact he replaced two strikers with two strikers when the substitutions were made. There is no doubt that two up front does give the opposition far more to worry about and I would be tempted to go with the same line up again tonight to give them the chance to build on it. But how will it look if we reward our best performance of the season so far by breaking the team up?
Cahill is a massive player for us but surely sometimes you have to use common sense and say the same team deserves another chance to show if they can really get it together and start a run ? otherwise we are just going to be chopping and changing week-in, week-out, and you're never going to get a rhythm going at that rate.
The Yak is without doubt the laziest player in the prem, he?s right out on his own on that score. He is a good finisher but historically has gone through lengthy spells without a goal at every club he?s been at, he couldn't hit a cows arse with a shovel at the moment. He should consider himself very lucky not to have been dropped by now.
It worked last season
Saha will come good... maybe starting tonight.
It worked last season
Saha will come good... maybe starting tonight.
Keith,
"...I’m sure Yak would have scored if he was the player he used to be..."
He wouldn’t have had the chance if he was the player he used to be.
He only got the ball as his chasing down of Ferdinand pressured him into a mistake.
He only missed as a fine Van der Sar save stopped him, just!
"...I’m sure Yak would have scored if he was the player he used to be..."
He wouldn’t have had the chance if he was the player he used to be.
He only got the ball as his chasing down of Ferdinand pressured him into a mistake.
He only missed as a fine Van der Sar save stopped him, just!
Dave Wilson............ re, the Yak is by far the laziest in the Prem, where does Berbatov rank then in your opinion?
Nice one, John.
Ok the Yak is the second laziest player in the Prem.
Ok the Yak is the second laziest player in the Prem.
darren pugh, you would not care if our best finisher in years left the club? you are a complete muppet !!!!!!!!!!!!
darren pugh, you would not care if our best finisher in years left the club? you are a complete muppet !!!!!!!!!!!!
How DARE you class that fool Darren Pugh as a muppet.....
I was watching Soccer Saturday.
Stelling to Kamara "Are Everton showing any signs of getting back into things"
Kammy "Yes they are Jeff, because Yakubu and Saha have finally decided to put a shift in" - went on to explain their chasing back and harrying of United’s defenders.
Have to say i’m with Moyes on this one.
Stelling to Kamara "Are Everton showing any signs of getting back into things"
Kammy "Yes they are Jeff, because Yakubu and Saha have finally decided to put a shift in" - went on to explain their chasing back and harrying of United’s defenders.
Have to say i’m with Moyes on this one.
Well I’m all for them working hard as long as it’s where it matters. AJ certainly rendered himself totally ineffective chasing long balls into the corner. I don’t want Yak going the same way.
God forbid Moyes should upset any professional strikers sensibilities. I mean we wouldn’t want them so tired that they can’t lift the suitcase full of money into the boot of their Bentley now would we?
Strikers get their rewards from working hard on the pitch. Finding space, leaving defenders and getting on the ball takes effort. So does closing down defenders and making it easier for their team mates to pick up loose balls. This is the job of all top strikers and all amateur strikers for that matter.
Last season Yakubu scored more and played better when he put himself about. That goes for every other player I have ever watched.
I am with Moyes and if Yakubu or any other player doesnt want to work hard then I suggest they pack their suitcases with clothes and head the Bentley down the M6!
Strikers get their rewards from working hard on the pitch. Finding space, leaving defenders and getting on the ball takes effort. So does closing down defenders and making it easier for their team mates to pick up loose balls. This is the job of all top strikers and all amateur strikers for that matter.
Last season Yakubu scored more and played better when he put himself about. That goes for every other player I have ever watched.
I am with Moyes and if Yakubu or any other player doesnt want to work hard then I suggest they pack their suitcases with clothes and head the Bentley down the M6!
Any links for tonight’s match?
I’m going to try justin.tv - there is a link there to a Bolton site - it might work, these things don’t always.
Gareth - what I meant by about Yak was that he would have stuck that one in, giving vds no chance at his best as a striker last season He might take himself more ’seriously’ as a player now. We wish him the best tonight.
Gareth - what I meant by about Yak was that he would have stuck that one in, giving vds no chance at his best as a striker last season He might take himself more ’seriously’ as a player now. We wish him the best tonight.
Apparently, Phillip Neville is ’our Carra’ according to Moyes.
What the fuck is coming out his mouth lately??? Our Carra!!! Fuck off we don’t want a Carra or a shitty manc version who only raises his game against his arl club!
What the fuck is coming out his mouth lately??? Our Carra!!! Fuck off we don’t want a Carra or a shitty manc version who only raises his game against his arl club!
Any links for tonight’s match please.
Also any one know how to change some of the link pages to English not Chinese.
Also any one know how to change some of the link pages to English not Chinese.
any links anybody??
myp2p.eu down for anyone else?
Or it just my aunt’s damn computer/net.
Or it just my aunt’s damn computer/net.
We seem to be coping well according to EvertonTV
myp2p.eu is down so is livefooty doctor
does anyone know if the offside call against us was correct. RE Mike Myp2p doesn’t have any links to our game anyway
No wait.. myp2p.eu just started working finally..
No wait.. its gone again.. What the deuce!?
No wait.. its gone again.. What the deuce!?
Your kidding.. Whata jip!
Good to see Andy J scored finally.
Good to see Andy J scored finally.
Mike it looks like its just us Aussies here.i am readin the stuff of SKy Sports which is ok. Have you found another site where i can get min by min action
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi
WE need Cahill
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi
WE need Cahill
Can’t find a link anywhere. Justin.tv had natlofthouse but it was cut off for some reason
no links. got radio city on instead.
Millions of links to man utd, chelsea, arsenal etc etc.
Moan moan, but wouldn’t you think by now that evertonfc.com could show the match for £10 or something.
I think I’ll go live in Hong Kong
Millions of links to man utd, chelsea, arsenal etc etc.
Moan moan, but wouldn’t you think by now that evertonfc.com could show the match for £10 or something.
I think I’ll go live in Hong Kong
Its not on anywhere lads, I’ve been round all the channels and websites and its simply not on anywhere - the guy on Justintv cant find it either so he’s put the Utd game on instead - from the BBC text it looks like we’re on top - Fellaini just missed and the Yaks had a close one.
Comms on the OS I expect and radio mersey
Comms on the OS I expect and radio mersey
Scratch that, on closer inspection it appears Bolton are marginally the better side.
According to Everton Site commentary , Bolton have been on top last 10 mins and have missed 2 good chances. We can't seem to keep the ball up front, keeps coming back against us.
Our crosses are also poor, all in all not too good a show so far. 1 Min to HT
Our crosses are also poor, all in all not too good a show so far. 1 Min to HT
Who was that guy they brought into the dressing room last time? GET HIM IN THERE!
Saha goal disallowed too right?
HT and 0-0 .
Summary -: we have been in some good areas but choosing the time to pass and accuarcy of passes have been poor. Yak and Saha could do more , neither taking the risk to go early into space.
Overall a poor game but Bolton ahead on points at HT.
Certainly we’re not dominating as we all thought we would do.
Summary -: we have been in some good areas but choosing the time to pass and accuarcy of passes have been poor. Yak and Saha could do more , neither taking the risk to go early into space.
Overall a poor game but Bolton ahead on points at HT.
Certainly we’re not dominating as we all thought we would do.
2nd half
Another chance for Bolton, 2 mins in and we are pinned in. Jags blocked shot. Howard saves another. Talk about Saha coming off .
Free kick to Bolton, over the bar.
We are totally pinned in.
Another chance for Bolton, 2 mins in and we are pinned in. Jags blocked shot. Howard saves another. Talk about Saha coming off .
Free kick to Bolton, over the bar.
We are totally pinned in.
Mike, where are you watching/listening?
WE?re slightly coming back - but no end product or cutting edge . Poor poor game for Everton. Pinnear right off colour. seem to be relying on long free-kicks to Felliani?s head. Not working.
I see AJ has scored two for Fulham, wish the Yak or Saha could get one between them!!!
James
Its on live commentary on Everton official site
Its on live commentary on Everton official site
My subscription ran out and I’m too tight to pay for the pleasure again Mike!
Arteta, Pinnear and Felliani aren?t creating a thing, keep loosing ball.
Finally a cross frrom Arteta, to near post, 4 men in box no-one attacked it. Saha and Yakubu slow to react.
Everton coming back in but according to Goodlas, Bolton are there for the taking if only we could put 3 decent passes together - which we can't.
Finally a cross frrom Arteta, to near post, 4 men in box no-one attacked it. Saha and Yakubu slow to react.
Everton coming back in but according to Goodlas, Bolton are there for the taking if only we could put 3 decent passes together - which we can't.
I think we swap the top two with the young blood and they will get in amongst it and score a goal, also Cahill for Osman!!!
Why or why have we not made a substitution yet?? Why cant Moyes see what all of us can - that we need to change it around because it is not working right now.
Don’t think we have had a shot this half yet!? And who is in Midfield, only Mikey, Felli, Ossie and Pienuts!
Apparently Ossie is doing nothing but trip up Bolton players - the game, according to the sky site is woeful wo watch.
Cahill’s on for the Yak.
Bolton nearly scored, Jags cleared. Corner to Bolton, Jags cleared again. Got his body in the way twice.
Tim Cahill on replacing Yakubu, he?s not pleased at all, just pushed Neville out the way coming off.
Tim Cahill on replacing Yakubu, he?s not pleased at all, just pushed Neville out the way coming off.
Well one sub done, just need the other two now Mr Moyes!! We need the three points so why does he watch this shower of shit and not make a positive change to win the game!!
The Yak, doing all the running up front, Saha doing nothing, and the Yak is taken off. What the fuck is going on in the mind of Moyes? The yak is far from happy, Goodlass said he pushed Neville out of the way, as he was walking off.
How much does anyone want to bet that when the shite score we will concede within minutes??
Quote "there hasn't been a Premier League game where there is so much poor passing"
It sounds a dreadful game, our midfield just aren?t performing, but come to that neither is Saha.
Bolton just missed good chance.
It sounds a dreadful game, our midfield just aren?t performing, but come to that neither is Saha.
Bolton just missed good chance.
1-nil to the shite Ajay, penalty
That's your fault.
That's your fault.
OK, the shite just scored. Let's see if my prediction comes true...
We finally starting ? couple of good crosses from Neville.
Everton corner, Liverpool scored!!!!
- Corner comes to nothing, but we're pressing: "Saha is sleeping again" according to commentator.
Everton corner, Liverpool scored!!!!
- Corner comes to nothing, but we're pressing: "Saha is sleeping again" according to commentator.
Get Vic and Vaughan on now!!!!
I agree, Vic and Vaughan! LIKE NOW!
Bolton got corner which shoudn?t be one but we?ve cleared.
Another poor cross from Arteta, delivery has been poor all night, hit first defender again, when we had 4 players in box.
Goals everywhere in Premier League except Reebok!!
Another poor cross from Arteta, delivery has been poor all night, hit first defender again, when we had 4 players in box.
Goals everywhere in Premier League except Reebok!!
How the fuck is Saha still on? Surely Moyes can see he has been shite, so why doesn’t he change it, and bring Vaughan on? The Moyes sub curse strikes again!
So have I got this right , we have now gone 4-5-1 even though the score is 0-0.
And it sounds like Arteta is having what is now unfortunatley a common game for him ........SHIT.
And it sounds like Arteta is having what is now unfortunatley a common game for him ........SHIT.
Saha and Ossie off now, put the young boys up top and drop Cahill into centre-mid ?it's not difficult David!!!
Saha really poor. Why oh why not Vaughan or Anichebe on now.
Bolton another corner cleared.
We can't hold the ball up front at all - there has been nothing in final 1/3rd for us.
Bolton another corner cleared.
We can't hold the ball up front at all - there has been nothing in final 1/3rd for us.
0-0 it is then eh.
Yet another 90 minutes of my life that I won’t get back....
Saha just missed controlled 6 yds out.
Saha off - Anichebe on
Saha off - Anichebe on
7 mins for Vic to score... nice one, Moyes, you inept twat!!!
If we are lucky, James; they look the more likely, I hate to admit.
Anichebe header just over ball from good Arteta cross. First cross we?ve got on the end of.
Another good move ? 5 in box, but terrible cross from Lescott.
Another good move ? 5 in box, but terrible cross from Lescott.
0-0 nearly 90th min, 1 sub left and 1 up top.
AND Vaughan is on the bench!
AND Vaughan is on the bench!
Everton corner, Felliani claimed push on him. Ref books him
Arteta corner straight behind goal, complete waste.
Arteta corner straight behind goal, complete waste.
I don't rate Osman, why does Moyes persist with him??? In my opinion Saha is a waste of time. No way should he be starting in the next game. Time for someone else to take corners as well. Anyone agree?
FUCKING GET IN!!!!!!
Whats the point in getting a draw with Man U and then only drawing with Bolton?
I would rather have lost to the Mancs and Beat Bolton!
I would rather have lost to the Mancs and Beat Bolton!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Felliani scored
Fulham up next and AJ on fire with two tonight ? I would bet a lot of money on him coming and sticking one up us Saturday. 0-0 v Bolton is a disgrace and Moyes is happy on it or he would've subbed ages ago shocking!!!
LEGEND! Well not yet, maybe one day.
Fucking get in !!!20 fucking secs left, and the curly headed Belgian bangs one in.
Must be well into injury time no??
Felliani!!!!!
Brett do you want to say something along those lines everytime we need a goal late on?
SCREEEEEEEECH!!!!
Saved by the bell!
Sorry, I just had to
Saved by the bell!
Sorry, I just had to
Anichebe just missed with only goalie to beat.
WE?ve won!!!!
WE?ve won!!!!
1-0; I still stand by all I have said. I am watching Spurs and it's 4-4 and the misses is Arsenal fan! Oh dear... cheers in my house tonight!!!
Brilliant! Terrible game, terrible ref... but who cares? It's a win, bring on Fulham.
4-4 at the Emirates!!
I meant that when the Shite score we will also. Did I say concede earlier?
Great news Felliani scored, bad news he got booked and will miss next game.
I hate to be pedantic, but everyone keeps calling him Felliani, but its Fellaini :)
The Belgian now banned for getting 5 yellows. I just don’t understand why players get booked for celebrating a goal?
At least its Fulham at home and it wipes his slate clean ? our record against them is pretty good at home if I recall correctly...
Cahill will play Saturday instead of Screech so not too much of a problem but I would have a word with Yak for being such a moody git and drop Saha for Vic to start on Saturday and stay at 4-4-2. 3 points much needed; so it's all about the result tonight even though the performance was poor!!
Clean sheet! First time this season I believe.
FUCKING CLEAN SHEET!!!!!!!!! OMG!!
Back to back wins and we are right back in the mix. One down, one to go.
Anyone else a bit worried 442 and an attacking midfield couldn’t break down Bolton? OK we didn’t concede but they had plenty of chances.
Arteta in the middle? Castillo back in the side.. Come on Moyes inspire us!
Anyone else a bit worried 442 and an attacking midfield couldn’t break down Bolton? OK we didn’t concede but they had plenty of chances.
Arteta in the middle? Castillo back in the side.. Come on Moyes inspire us!
The Reebok is always a tough place to go, especially as Bolton were under pressure for a result! Great win and glad to get it out of the way! Fellaini is beginning to look a snip at £15 mil :0)
A grind out, a clean sheet and 3 points away. They all deserve loads of praise for that.
Looking at the goal on MotD, Mikel and our newly creative right back captain did well as Pienaar ran to gather and put in the cross to give our man the chance to put in another "one Dunc would have been proud of". That’s team work that is. And the big Fella is going on to great things.
Looking at the goal on MotD, Mikel and our newly creative right back captain did well as Pienaar ran to gather and put in the cross to give our man the chance to put in another "one Dunc would have been proud of". That’s team work that is. And the big Fella is going on to great things.
Re James Marshall; get a grip, your always correcting people for spelling mistakes. Havn?t you got nothing better to do you bore!!!!!!!!!!!
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