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Transfer Deadline Day
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Personally, I do not think we will sign anybody. By the sounds of it, we have deals there, and Moyes has hinted at them, for example at least 2 new faces, Heitinga and Banega. Except with hours to go, we have no real chance of signing them anymore. I don't think we will sign a goalkeeper, even Moyes wouldn't buy a player we don't need. But with no midfielders or defenders going cheap, I can't really see us breaking the bank at the last minute this time round.
I do think our main problem is not transfer kitty, it is wage structure. Players like Heitinga would sign for us if we could offer wages that broke ours but I think the board know this is not wise in the long run. A year down the line, players like Yakubu, Pienaar and Arteta could ask for bigger money or they will leave, as in what seems to happen at other clubs.
To be honest, I don't think that is viable as new players would then ask for what our maximum wage is just to sign, and leave us unable to sign in the future. I would like to see players the quality of Van de Vart and Heitinga line up against Fulham, but without investment they will never be able to compromise wages to our level.
Christopher Ashton, Posted 01/09/2009 at 09:46:09
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Midfield was the major problem with our usual suspects out-played, out-classed and out-hoofed... and what do we buy? Another average attacking midfielder to add to the myriad of average ones we already have.
The mind fuckin boggles.
ARE YOU ON GLUE MATE???
Cover? The lad is a Dutch international first choice, he is first choice for Atletico..... I have know idea why they are willing to let him go but I don't care either as long as we get him!
He is class, he is better defensive Mid than Neville, He is a better right backl thank Hibbert and is a better Centre Half that Yobo!!!
How is that cover, Some people are never happy!
Your right, the mind does fuckin boggle!
I agree that this transfer window has been the usual shambles, but let’s at least be positive about the decent players that we have/hopefully will sign.
I would suggest you watch Heitinga play.
So anyone who insists on not wanting this player at EFC clearly doesn’t support the club but merely infiltrates this website to get real supporters riled.
I have matey for both club and country and I’m amazed we might actually get him.
Cover my arse!
Where did anyone say they didn’t want him?
I happen to think there’s far more pressing areas in need of attention.
As for you last comment... catch a fuckin grip of yourself.
Cover??? Did you come from the same pot as Bill Kenwright? Only the man himself would say such a thing... I suppose you "work tirelessly" at everything you do including watching Spanish football by the sounds of things.
In other news I’m sat here in Afghanistan and the only thing keeping my going to is Sky Sports.com. On the transfer deadline day news it say Bentley will not be joining Man City but there is no story coming up yet..... Could we have a chance at snapping him up too??? What you think Ciaran......sorry I mean Mr Kenwright!!
You’ve obviously seen something I haven’t... He will undoubedly be ’cover’ for centre-half...
And it’s unlikely that Moyes will drop Hibbert going by his recent performances... it’ll take a drop in Hibbert's form before Heitinga gets the nod. Therefore he’ll be on the bench... and therefore will be ’cover’.
Heitinga’s one of their top earners, I’m sure they’ll be glad to get him off the wage bill!
Your comment saying "who cares" implies you are not fussed if he arrives or not. When, if you evaluated the squad, you will see that our RB is possibly the worst in the country. So answer me this: what area of the pitch needs more attention than our RB role.
Better the devil you know and not some nasty Oil Sheik or Russian Billionaire as they are not Blues. Well if we dont get some one in soon we might aswell pack kit all in as we are being left behind on the wages front.
We can no longer buy the players we need because we cant pay the going rate for thier services. How the fuck any of you can be happy with that situation is beyond me.
You’ve cracked that ’moaner of the year’ joke before...why don’t you try it a third time - maybe it’ll grow on me. Maybe if you knew Heitinga’s position then your suggestion that he’d be a ’bloody good signing’ - might actually carry some weight.
Dave,
A Playmaker and right winger were the two outstanding positions that our first eleven needed. Midfield is teh major problem area...in fact the problems in midfield is one of the reasons Hibbert gets exposed so much.
As for you comment about Hibbert being the worst rigth back in the league....well that’s just reactionary bollocks.
So having a CH/RB of his supposed quality makes sense. Perhaps Moyes even sees a right side partnership of Pienaar and Johnny Heitinga (as an Ajax reunion) once Jags and Distin become established (they will be first choice — Yobo and Hibbert will be the cover if it works out)?
I remember a story coming out saying Valencia had denied all knowledge that there was a deal or if there’d been any contact, just goes to show the amount of bollocks that gets talked during the silly season... eh Ciarán? .. lol
Could have sworn it was Riquelme..
(Sorry,wanted to lighten the mood as you guys are well stressed!!)
Look at the bigger picture. Bily’s signing will put Pienaar to Right Wing, with dare I say it Osman as back up. Playmaker is Arteta, and I can’t see DM having enough funds to bring a better player to the club than him. As for Hibbert it is not reactionary bollocks, but my opinion, he is a liability and looks a beaten man before the game has kicked off.
http://www.heitingaofficial.com/en/latest_news.asp?AjrDcmntId=6873
Me thinks he’ll be playing at more at right back than in the centre if he signs for us, but will be useful cover for centre back and defensive midfield.
Tony, no rich arab or Russian billionaire is going to come in and gift us tens or hundreds of millions, only one owner has done that and another has given an interest free loan.
Rich Arab or Rich Russian equals more borrowing power equals more debt equals interest that the club can’t afford to pay because it doesn’t have the revenue.
So I’m happy if we sign players within our means... until our means increase.
Sorry, couldn’t resist. Then at the end of the season we can have the ’here’s what you could have won’ during the award ceremony.
Point is I agree with the original article; we need players now that are paid very well just to improve the side... shows where the team is now... we somehow need to be able to do an Arsenal — pay nothing — which means we can afford the wages. e’re going to have to lift the ceiling on wages at the expense now of transfers to improve!
Delusional view, that..
Apparently Bily’s best position is through the middle anyway...
as is Piennar’s... as is Osman’s... as is Arteta’s... as is Cahill’s... AHHHHHHHHH....
Bily’s signing will put Pienaar to Right Wing, with dare I say it Osman as back up.’
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So, the ’bigger picture’ is — we play Bily out of his natural position (which is central attacking midfielder) by moving Pienaar from a position which isn’t his natural position (which is central attacking midfielder) to another one that’s not his natural position either...
I like this ’bigger picture’ — when does it go on general release?
I’ll agree on one thing... it’s an improvement... is it ideal? Not in my opinion... we should be looking to play people in their natural positions..I’d take billy in fro the left because he’s a leftie..but Pienaar to the right is a bit daft...he always looks a bit los there whenever he switches...
Our midfield should be:
Rodwell — Arteta — A right winger —Bily — Pienaar.
We are playing more and more people out of position... as Moyes tenure goes on!
I’m not saying we shouldn’t want proven quality, but if what we get is an improvement on what we have, then it’s a start.
That said, I hope Heitinga isn’t the only player we sign today.
We need to buy a proper, all out, no messing, quality right sided midfielder. End of.
It’s not too much to ask.
Is it...?
That said our team could have potential once more. As we have replaced Jacobsen with Heitinga and Van Der Meyde with Bily.
Any how Im babbling on, but I leave here my Everton Team.
GK: Howard
RB: Heitinga
LB: Baines
CB: Yobo (Jags come Xmas)
CB: Distin
RM: Pienaar
LM: Bily
CM: Neville
CM: Rodwell
AM: Arteta
CF: Yakubu
Subs:
Nash
Gosling
Hibbert
Osman
Cahill
Jo
Saha
Yes I have dropped Cahill and kept Neville, this is purely as DM won’t drop Capt Fantastic, and personally would prefer to see Arteta in that role.
Cahill and Saha could change a game coming on as impact subs???
One question though: Who do you ( ultimately ) fancy at right-wing ?
And don’t say "Mussolini.."
I’d have spent money on Dalmat Kevin... without a doubt he’s the most impressive right winger I’ve seen recently.
In truth forgot about the big man with big hair.
Slip him onto the bench until DM discovers which position to finally play him in, if any?
Bily the Russian — £9 million
Distin — £5 million
Heitinga — £5 million = £19 million
So where is the rest???
See you at the other side guys!
.......Rodwell....Arteta.....
Pienaar........................Bily......
..............Fellaini.............
It's actually a very difficult one... and could be based on form when the time comes. But in terms of talent, this one springs to mind.
You’re scraping the barrel by feigning sexism.
do you by any chance have the link? I cannot find anything.
Cheers mate
Wouldn’t it be just great if somehow Everton stumped up the €15m Valencia want for Banega and we signed him with seconds to spare, or signed anyone decent with seconds to spare for that matter?!!!
Applogies, Ciaran.
SSN HAVE JUST SAID WE ARE DEFO STILL ACTIVE.
Heitinga is a class player, first choice for Holland and Atletico Madrid, now in an Everton shirt. He will undoubtedly improve our quality of play. Distin was a very solid signing and will give us a solid defense until Jagielka gets back, and then provide options at that point. Diniyar comes with praise from his Russian manager Hiddink who’s opinion I will take before many people posting on a forum.
So we’ve replaced Jacobsen with Heitinga, a huge improvement. Lescott with Distin, just about as good in my opinion and at a very good price. And Van der Meyde with Diniyar, who just by the fact that he is actually still a professional footballer is a huge improvement.
Jo, Bily, Distin, Heitenga..
Replacing..
Jacobsen, Castillio, Lescott, VDM
Personally, I think these additions will make us a lot stronger.
Now - pull out the big one boys - where’s that right winger!!!!!!
Laughing at Richard Dunne deal falling through for Villa because apparently he’s demanding £1mil from Man City for the termination of his current contract... Dunne may not be going anywhere. (Nothing to do with Everton as far as I know, just find it funny to see Villa fecked over for a change.)
Howard
Heitinga Jags Distin Baines
Pienaar Arteta Cahill Bily
Yakubu Saha
Fellaini
Osman
Jo
Anichebe
Neville/Yobo
Rodwell
Thats not a bad fucking team is it? I’d still question playing Cahill in a 442, but for some reason he seems to play a lot better alongside Arteta. And on the bench, players that can change the game, and players that can sure up the defense. Is it really so bad as some people make out? Relegation fodder? You’re having a fucking laugh.
Alright there Matt (Salem)!
I wonder how we have been able to meet Johnny's pay demands though... and if we have, will it open acan of worms? Ah who gives a shit, at least we have got things right once!
COYBS
Is that right!!!
"From Dave the rave, via text on 81111: "Everton delegation in Liege - Steven Defour fee agreed! My mate’s mum works for Liege and told me about Fellaini last year.""
Ok 3 transfers from one sale, but who has come in for the 3-4 others who left over the summer?
"Steven’s mother is originally from Merseyside, moving to Belgium to work as a lobbyist where she met Steven’s father."
All together now, "He’s coming home..." (we hope)
"We may sign Heitinga... but who cares? He’s simply cover"
Stop saying silly things just to provoke a response lad... very soon, people are just gonna ignore you...
David Barks is spot on. If you sell one, but improve the overall squad with three others in area’s crying out for it, how is that a bad thing?
Still, we are clearly stronger, and Moyes has clearly bought to address the ’right hand side problem’. Regular Russian and Dutch international will certainly do for me (remember a few years ago we were talking about buying Nugent and Reo-Coker??).
Also see how everyone (apart from Man City and to some extent Spurs) has been hit by the financial crisis? Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool (could hopefully be in deep shit this season if Torres and/or Gerrard get injured) have spent less than they took in. Villa are weaker without Laursen and Barry. Portsmouth much weaker, Fulham and West Ham certainly no better probably weaker.
So no excuses Moyes! This squad should be able to achieve top 6 again.
What a wanker... where's the money, you cunt?!?!
Steven Defour (born 15 April 1988 in Mechelen) is a Belgian footballer who played for Standard Liège until his last-minute transfer to Everton on September 1st 2009. He is well known for his playmaking ability and vision.
We also have 4 serviceable centre backs at the club (Johnny H, Distin, Yobo and Jags) for the first time in over 12 months.
We now have several credible permutations of our first XI and different formations available. This will allow us to play more players in their natural positions than before. Cahill is less likely to need to play as a defensive midfielder. Osman’s days on the flanks should be over, except as cover. No need to play Fellaini and Cahill in the same team. This is definitely a good step forward and has cost us nothing thanks to the Arabs.
A couple of pieces in the jigsaw still missing but hopefully two more pieces were completed during this summer.
ps: Why does everyone think that Pienaar would do so well down the middle — has anyone seen him play there?
"On signing for Everton, he said he was delighted to return to the home of his mother, and commented that his Grandad used to attend matches in the Boy’s Pen back in the 50s."
Fantasy fotball?
Fuck you, Kenwright.
"Steven’s mother is originally from Merseyside, moving to Belgium to work as a lobbyist where she met Steven’s father. On signing for Everton, he said he was delighted to return to the home of his mother, and commented that his Grandad used to attend matches in the Boy’s Pen back in the 50s."
Haaaa fantastic, I’m going to do one on the Messi page, say his mother was a prostitute from Toxteth, and got knocked up in the 70s, hey it could have happened.
I see Nugent has just signed for Burnley. Not quite as exciting eh?!
Believe it or not, sometimes its not wise for a business to spend every penny that they have in the bank. Players tend to get a bit pissed off if you do not pay them for 12 months....
The guy is a liar.
"1734: The one rumour that is persisting is the Steven Defour to Everton transfer."
Are they reading this thread and the (ever more hilarious) wiki page?. I think we should be told.
"Steven Defour (born 15 April 1988 in Mechelen) is a Belgian footballer who plays for Standard Liège. He is well known for his playmaking ability and vision. His father is a good friend of Bill Kenwright, after spending many matches in the boys pen with him during the 50’s. Defours father also coined the phrase ’watch this space’"
ROFL.
Mark my words, come January, we will get the usual, "we dont like doing business in January" blah blah blah... Another Midfielder would have been nice. But then again Kenwright did get rid of Peter Johnson....
Money. Buy three £40k a week players on 1 July and that’s over £1 million in wages. Add on National insurance contributions, insurance payments and other sundries and you’re probably closer to one and a quarter million!
Over £3M of the Lescott £22M went to Wolves. Bily (£9M) plus Heitinga (up to £7M) plus Distin (£6M) = £22M. In addition Heitinga and Bily will clearly raise the wage bill compared to Jacobsen and AvdM - probably by around £2M in total. So net increase is probably around £4-5M in total. (Of course all these deals are combinations of buying now and paying later.)
It appears from what’s happened that we could also afford one more big loan deal - Banega. Nice to think we also had £10M odd to splash on Defour, but I doubt it.
So we’ve obviously spent a bit more but not a lot more than the Lescott money. Given what other clubs for the most part (Man City and Spurs excepted) haven’t spent, all the signs are that the banks following the crisis last year were not prepared to countenance higher debt levels. And most owners (from Abramovich down) have been tightening the purse strings.
We are stronger, so that’s the main thing. Does leave me wondering where the hell Tottenham get all their money from though?
Win over Wigan, if that was Manure they’d say as ever, they win without playing well, they came, they parked the bus, we nicked it.
I really don’t think we should be looking for Billy to be a big star this year, I reckon Moyes’ll have him put a shed load of weight on before he’s a regular, in the mean time I reckon Osman will look better when he’s not having to cover back for Hibbert all the feckin time.
Bit worried by Yobo, don’t think he’s looked like the same player since his Brother got kidnapped at the start of last season, suppose it doesn’t help when he’s not getting regular games, again, I think he’ll look better when Pip plays in front of him instead of alongside him.
All in all a good Summer I reckon, shame about the Burnley game but at least it was an away fixture we fecked up.
I’m off to get pissed o/
Simon, you say your off to get pissed now, are you sure you haven’t had a one too many already. A GOOD SUMMER? — you're having a laugh.
;) laters
We have actually spent fuck all, that's right — sweet FA and I personally think that it's an absolute disgrace. We sold the Clingon and spent the money that we got for him, not a penny more. I am absolutley seething and I think that Kenwright owes the supporters an explanation as to what the fuck has been going on.
Yet another tranfser window closes with Kenwright in the black! Cunt! We clearly sold to be able to buy and any rubbish that the OS come out with will not wash with me.
Pathetic!
Do the math again and you will see we did spend a penny more. Take your time, account for everything.
Or according to Simon Walker, you can be a fucking idiot by thinking we should sign players of Defour's and Banega's quality when we've got Osman!!!!!
On a positive note at least we have signed Bily and a good right back in Heitinga and maybe Hibbert and Osman may not be guaranteed regular starts from now on.
I would have liked them in earlier and a couple of keen youngsters who have played first team in the lower leagues... oh, but we dithered there didn’t we.
At the end of last season I thought we might push for 4th this season but the temporary form of Spurs & big spending City has kind of tempered that feeling, I honestly think we want to be looking at another 3 or 4 years of consistent Europa qualification and a domestic cup in that time, all the while improving then hopefully breaking into the top 4. You gotta work to your means and our means ain’t much.
I never said I think Osman is good, I just said that I think he might look better when he’s not playing in front of Hibbert, that’s until Bily can add some weight cos he looks proper lightweight to me, I could be wrong and he’s a right little tricky fecker but he just looks like he’s get muscled off everything right now.
I’ll reserve judgment on this one.
(Yes, I am clutching at straws!)
(I love this idea that Kenwright and Elstone sit there going, "You know, we could afford to buy Banega outright for £12M - but, frankly, I just don’t have the ambition for our club and can’t be arsed...")
I’m happy we are stronger, especially because I don’t see many around us strengthening. And Bily, Distin and Heitinga for not a lot more than Lescott is by any standards a pretty amazing deal.
But nothing of course changes the fact that we still need to get a new richer owner and new sources of revenue if we are to compete with the top 4 plus now Man City and Spurs.
Anyone who thought we were suddenly going to find the £25M+ to realistically start challenging the top 4 (6?) is living in some kind of dream world.
The Banega deal was done until a late cash injection came to Valencia and they reneged on it, they resorted to telling big fat lies in the media to turn the deal around and have Banega stay at he club — What the fuck can BK & Moyes do about that? Absolutely fuck all is what.
But that always happens, no? No. Try Portsmouth and West Ham.
So well done DM but I our midfield still seems messy to me. Any ideas on how our midfield is going to pan out? I’d really like to see Pienaar go right if he can, put Mikel in centre when fit but need someone alongside him and someone behind these to put the boot in. Pip behind? JR ideally but not tough enough yet for me. Like I saw — it's a mess — or I just cant see something thats staring me in the face.
Think Heitinga could be a bit of a legend mind. Looking forward to finding out
I’m happy with today's outcome, wish it wasn't always last-minute stuff but hey, it cant always be plain sailing.
As for the Banega deal, the stench of a rat is definitely in the air. You can’t apply for a work permit publically without some kind of deal being struck. We got screwed by Valencia, just like we did by Sheff Utd over the Naughton deal. And come to think of it, the Manny deal too.
And that has nothing to do with Blue Bill, Moyes or any of the board room staff. Sometimes business is tough. Every agent out there is only interested in making a few quid and most clubs aren’t any different.
Man City and Spurs clearly now have better squads than us. If we supported them we would be screaming blue murder if we weren’t able to finish above Everton.
But let’s see what happens. If we can keep the injuries to a reasonable level I still think we are in with a shout in the top 6. Villa have been poor for the last 6-8 months and seem to be in some disarray. Liverpool may well struggle. Man City may not settle. Spurs perenially flatter to deceive. We are in with a shout with this squad.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/755/europe/2009/09/01/1474358/standard-liege-stars-defour-witsel-receive-death-threats
I remember that last year the Fellaini transfer was announced near midnight after Everton successfully filed all paperwork in time for the 5pm deadline and tied up loose ends until midnight, so the same might, just might be true of the Defour rumours. Plus, the death threats if true may provide him with the motivation to move to Goodison.
Personally I am sick of the lies that eminate from our luvvie chairman and can categorically state I will not be going to some medium ranged ground in Kirkby. Wonder how quick it will be before Billy Bullshits 8 year, 24/7 search for invest comes after we have moved.
I'd like the chairman to tell us were the money is going to (Sky, Kitbag, Sponsor), even if he tells us... YES it is ring-fenced for our virtually free stadium.
What annoys me is Kenwright claiming at 4:30pm that he was still working on a deal but it didn't come off. WHY wasn't the deal being worked on weeks ago? Then we may have had a chance to complete it. Bloody typical.
On a positive note, gotta be happy with who have come in, for a central midfielder though. Kranjcar was a missed opportunity...
I also have a sneaking suspicion — maybe hope — that the RS will come a real cropper this season. I’d take Mascherano, Gerrard, Torres and maybe Johnson for our equivalents. But not much else.
We have no more money, we’re a club who are realists in a world of wannabe clubs spending stupid amounts of money on average players! OK, I don’t really think that Heitinga is that good! Anyone who saw hime in the recent friendly will know that but I think the £7M has been spent because he covers a few positions (Jack of all trades master of none)...
Let’s believe in Moyes because I think this could be his last year before he gets fed up of the Bull from Billy! He’s been 80% right in the past!
One more thing: Never, Ever do I wanna deal with Valencia again... In the past we had the Fernandes fiasco and now Banega? We must have been given some sort of green light to loan him before we got the work permit so I don’t see why they changed their mind so dramatically, AGAIN!
I just desperatly feel we’ve got a group of midfielders who are decent but more than the sum of their parts when put together on the pitch. Bottom line is we dont have a quality central midfield partnership and nothing on the right which bothers me because with it I think we’d be a fucking good team. I guess the answer is Bily, Mikel and Pienaar with a rottweiler to win the ball and play to one of these three - but Pip, Rodwell, Fellaini, Osman, Gosling this aint. Maybe it could be Heitinga....
This season the deadline was set for an earlier time of 5pm. That time has come and gone now so we can forget Steven Defour.
There must have been at least 10 million more available to Moyes considering the bids put in for players before the Clingon money came on tap. What will now happen to that. I’ll tell you, you’ll never see it again made available for players. It will probably swell the coffers of destination Kirkby, which will no doubt please a few on here or maybe not.
Thing is, my ma works as a cleaner at Goodison, and she looked in the window of BK’s office at 16:45 and he wasn't even on the phone! He was sat with his feet up having a sherry with Paul O’Grady whilst watching Joseph and his Technicolour Dreamcoat in glorious high def!!!! The lying bastard strikes again.....
But I am happy that we seem to have done a pretty good job with the Lescott deal and what money we had. I am happy that we have a stronger squad than we did at the same time last year.
And only two other teams ’pushed on’ - Man City and Spurs. Even Liverpool and ManUtd have gone backwards in terms of their squads.
Get used to it and get over it.
My concern is bolstering the midfield with the kind of strength, speed and skill necessary to compete with the rest of the Prem. We have already seen the frailties that exist and was so apparent against Wigan.
I like Pienaar but he is far too often put on his backside by fouls and without Arteta we waste so many of the free kicks he has gained. Osman, Cahill and Fellaini lack the tackling qualities and the speed to chase back when necessary.
This is the area where we will continue to struggle unless this Russian lad has something special to offer.
Moyesey in fairness signed three players of quality over a week; they all have a decent number of caps for their countries, and two of them will get a lot more. Two left footers to boot (pardon the pun), with Distin a virtual like-for-like defender. He's older, yes; he's more experienced, yes... and he was only about a quarter of the Lescott fee (take off Wolves' 10%).
£20 million for three players and not an Aquilani or a sprained ankle anywhere. Surprisingly a day when we paid the most for a player and all the top four were quiet, which made a nice change. I'm actually typing this one hour after the deadline and that guy Burton (with the moby on Sky Sports News), is enthusing over the Heitinga signing.
Bily will actually change the way we set our stall out, which will be nice, add Jags in and now we are looking strong at the back, so I for one look forward in anticipation; keep smiling our kid.
The EFC Board have therefore got away with a summer of negative investment. Please sell up as soon as possible in November when the outcome of DK is finally known.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVmMjkmkf5Q
Bily.... just because he isn’t a household name doesn’t mean he isn’t going to be awesome!
How do you figure that Heitinga at over £6 million, Distin at nearly £6 million, and Bilyaletdinov at about £10 million adds up to rather less than the Lescott fee? Lescott was sold for £22 million, about £3 million of which went to Wolves. Our signings totalled about £22 million, that’s a net £3 million more than Lescott’s fee. Then your five first team players leaving claim, who are these players??
I have Lescott, and maybe you could throw Jacobsen in there with his I think 5 appearances last season. Other than those two, very generous two, who are the other three first teamers? Please don’t tell me you’re including Valente and Van der Meyde in that, because they were not first team players. Castillo I suppose you could say was a first team option, but he also hardly played.
Meanwhile, we have brought in Jo, Heitinga, Bilyaletdinov and Distin. These four players are replacing Lescott, Jacobsen, Valente, Van der Meyde and Castillo. That is a huge improvement made to our team. And we also signed a few very promising youngsters in Garbutt, Mustafi, and one from the end of last season. We’ll have to see how they develop, but they were signings and money spent.
And add to that the fact that Rodwell is now an established first team player, when last season he was not. Gosling is a first team player, when last season he was not. This is not negative investment if you take the time to actually look at it player by player. We have a far stronger team this season than last.
I’m not thinking about whether we incurred more debt to buy players as a benchmark for success. I’m looking at the player for player movement and I’m very excited about what we have achieved.....
Just watch out for Bily.... man the kid excites me.. ok.. job done YouTube!
Personally, I am quite pleased with the outcome as Lescott's best blue days were as left back anyway, when he got his favoured position back he was no better than most central defenders in the league.
But it does not hide the fact Billy Bull has got out of jail, milked a big transfer and that player will get all the stick whilst he will come out of his hideaway the next time we have a good run. I am just waiting for Ken Doddy to post how Bill yet again found the funds...
Having said that, we’ve spent the Lescott money so I highly doubt that we’ll have another 11:59pm signing. I’m just saying that (unless I’m mistaken) it would be theoretically possible.
Howard (Nash)
Heitinga, Jags, Distin, Baines (Hibbert) (Yobo) (Yobo) (Neville)
Rodwell (Neville)
Pienaar, Arteta, Fellaini, Bily (Osman) (Cahill) (Cahill) (Gosling)
Yak (Saha, Jo, Vaughan, or Anichebe)
You seem to be making out that it's just the way it is, we’re skint. It's nobody's falt, how could I possibly think we could have some money to spend on players. The point is we did have some money to spend and we didn’t spend it. Another £10 million player may just have bought us that bit of class that may have made a difference to our season. I just think it is another wasted opportunitly.
He said last week he wanted "4 maybe more." Since then we’ve signed TWO players. So what the fuck went on there then?
This whole summer has been an absolute monumental fuck up and someone should be held fucking responsible for it. I am in a Tony Marsh type rage this evening at the absolute fucking shambles that is the Everton board and Bill Fucking Kenwright. Kenwright has not backed his manager YET AGAIN. He has still walked away from this summer with a fucking profit.
The fact that anyone is happy with the position we’re in right now is beyond me. What an absolute fucking joke.
Alan - you can’t make a profit when you spend more on new players than you got in and substantially increase the wage bill.
Very disappointing not to get another central midfield signing. I’m not exactly breaking out the champagne myself, but It beats me how having a clearly better squad than a year ago is a "monumental fuck-up".
So it’s well done to Davey and congrats to Chairman Bill for once again being true to his word — every penny went back in signings!
All my worst fears are coming true under Kenwright: we sold Rooney, we failed to build on a 4th place finish, we’ve failed to build on a 5th place finish, we’ve sold Lescott, we’re moving to Kirkby. If he sells Rodwell in the near future, I swear I’ll buy a gun!
I honestly don’t think I’ve ever felt this let down. Here we were in a fantastic position to build after last season and Kenwright has not been able to back his manager in the transfer market. It’s time to go.
The point I was making — irrespective of whatever the fees for the 3 new players added up compare to that received for Lescott — is that the Board once again has failed to find significant investment for team strengthening.
You have correctly identified the other 4 players that have left the club, all of whom despite their limited appearances, were paid first team salaries.
You seem to believe that Jo is a new player; I thought he was on loan last season, but then I’m just a cynic who has watched this Club for nearly 50 years and simply want to see them win trophies again rather than being satisfied with 5th place and losing Cup Finalists.
9.30pm Wiki website states "Steven Defour (born 15 April 1988 in Mechelen) is a Belgian footballer who plays for Standard de Liège. He is well known for his playmaking ability and vision".
Maybe the rumours were true after all but the deal couldn’t be sealed!!!!
5 years on and we still have to play 4-5-1 because we can't combine 2 of our midfielders to be effective in a 4-4-2. Or we can't adapt to play 4-3-3... IF — and it's a big if — Heitinga & Bily solve our problem areas of right back & right midfield, the money which some of our fans believe we have to spend in January must be spent on a powerful midfielder.
How can turning a profit NOT be a good business plan? What industry are you in?!
I think we’ve done the best BUSINESS of the window - 1 first team player out and 3 players in. 2 that target the weakest part of our team, and one that covers the hole left by the departure. That Distin isn’t young is no problem to me - we need experience and leadership until Rodwell takes over that place and I think Distin has captained every club he’s played at.
That we turned a small profit is a real plus fr me. We bought a players for 5m and managed to get 3 players worth 22m and a few years of service out of him. Well done to all.
To people talking about ’the next level’, we’ve finished 5th for the last two seasons... do you have any idea how much we would have to spend to make "the next level"? HINT: Man City still probably haven’t managed it.
If we keep making progress then I’ll keep being happy.
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Unfortunately you're being a bit optimistic there. Anyone who pops their head above the parapet of mediocrity at Everton will be gone. You should know that by now.
Niko Kranjcar has revealed that he turned down Everton to seal a move to Tottenham. The Croatian midfielder quit Portsmouth on transfer deadline day to sign with former boss Harry Redknapp at Spurs. But the 25-year-old has revealed that he turned down the chance to switch to Goodison Park.
Speaking to Croatian newspaper Jutarnji List, he was asked whether Everton had bid for him, and he said: "This is true. Everton is also a big club but, in the end, the tradition and greatness of Tottenham made the difference."
’The Everton manager secured his second major summer acquisition on Tuesday, tieing up a five-year deal for Russian international midfielder Diniyar Bilyaletdinov. David Moyes hopes to make at least four signings ahead of Monday’s transfer deadline.
And, speaking at a press conference ahead of Thursday’s Europa League play off second leg against Sigma Olomouc, Moyes said he is confident Everton are making headway in their pursuit of additional new faces.
"I would be disappointed if we didn’t get at least four, maybe more," he said.
Well, he got two 1 that’s at least two players less than "four, maybe more." Maybe he was stiffed, and disappointed, by the board.
As has been mentioned elsewhere Glenn Johnson cost £17m and he isn’t much better than Johnny. Maybe (and it is a big maybe) we have saved a few million by leaving the business until the end of the window.
Okay, time for the pessimists to start shooting
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I don't want this to be too negative but I'm struggling to find the positives. Preparation wise I thought we were going to get the players in early and get them settled (Moyes words). What happened to that?
We've struggled so far this season. It appears we made a last ditch bid for Krancjar last night (why wasn't this done a month back) and Bentley's in talks with Man City (not sure he'd be the answer).
I'd like a right side midfielder, right back and back-up centre half. Would love to know what goes on in Moyes's/BK's minds and what they're playing at. I hope they've got some Aces up their sleeves...