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Hibbo and Heitinga both in the starting eleven?

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With the addition of a new wide player, and the impending return of Arteta, I bet Tony Hibbert is breathing a sigh of relief. He has kopped a hell of a lot of stick this season, and to be fair has not really done anything to justify it. The wide midfielders have a job to do in covering their full back, and the right side has been lacking in this for a long time. You watch how many times you see Pienaar back there supporting Baines in comparison.

Hibbo's crossing and general wing play is no worse than Leighton Baines's in my eyes. And for me, he is still a first team right back ahead of Phil Neville. What I am getting at, is that I would rather see Heitinga deployed in the defensive midfield role, rather than at right back. But I must admit, I know very little about the guy's distribution ability. Does anybody know enough about him to give an idea on how effective he would be at defensive midfield?

The key now is for Moyes to find the optimum formation and balance for the side. If we can get Saha into more shooting chances, I feel he is bang in form at the moment. And with Yakubu coming back, there is genuine competition for places up front now.

My ambition is to break the top 4 this season, but this is also the ambition of a team that have just spent over £150 million on some world class players. I think the reality will see us flighting for a Europa League spot again.
Dan Brierley, Tianjin, China     Posted 02/09/2009 at 03:07:36

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Nick Armitage
1   Posted 02/09/2009 at 13:37:26

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Hibbert needs dropping because as a professional footballer he lacks the basic ability to play football.

I would be made up if someone would pay me 20 grand a week to slide tackle, get lost on the far post and overhit crosses. I could do his job for a quarter of what he gets.

No matter how you anlayse Hibbert or who you blame for his performance level, he quite simply is not good enough for a Premier League football team. Send him to Tranmere.
Steve Hopkins
2   Posted 02/09/2009 at 13:41:43

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Cant agree with your statement that Hibbert’s wing play is as good as Baines’, 9 out of 10 of our meaningful attacks come from down the left hand side and it doesn’t take a world cup winning manager to work out that if you stop Baines and Pienaar then you’re half way to beating us!
Alan Clarke
3   Posted 02/09/2009 at 14:00:44

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Nick, but he’s an Evertonian!
Jay Harris
4   Posted 02/09/2009 at 14:18:25

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Good Right backs appear to be in short supply.

Chelsea have gone through Melchiot,Chimbonda and are not even happy with Boswinga who certainly looks good to me.

Spurs must have spent more than our team cost on full backs.

Utd and England kept Gary Neville going well past his sell by date and now play the "World class" Wes brown,John O’shea and Romeo there.

It’s hard to name more than a handful of top notch right backs and therefore I put Hibbo down as an average Premiership RB.

My biggest problem with him is not his general distribution but his defensive heading ability.

The number of times players have lost or outjumped him to score at the far post is far too great for Moyes to be comfortable with.
Mike Allison
5   Posted 02/09/2009 at 15:10:13

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Does anyone agree that Hibbert is first team right back ahead of Phil Neville? I find that one hard to swallow myself. Although Hibbert’s crossing has definitely improved, he still pretty much shits himself when he has the ball at his feet with a decision to make.

Personally I expect Heitinga to play right back (think that’s where he’s played most games for Atletico and Holland) and Hibbert to drop out. Another option sees Heitinga playing DM and Neville at right back. If Heitinga’s going to play CB then Yobo or Distin will be dropped, which I think is unlikely.

Bily and Baines on the left and Heitinga/Neville and Pienaar on the right. That’s an improved team isn’t it?
Dick Anderson
6   Posted 02/09/2009 at 15:23:10

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To be honest on current form I wouldn’t mind seeing Heitinga replace Joey Yobo at the back.

Yobo has been pretty poor so far this season and needs a kick up the backside.

A defence of Hibbert, Heitinga, Distin & Baines sounds pretty strong.
Ian Tod
7   Posted 02/09/2009 at 15:33:07

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Hibbert is NOWHERE near as good as Heitinga at right-back. Heitinga is a composed ,skilfull player with good positional awareness and he has very good distribution and ability to cross and tackle. he is also a full time holland international who can also cover at centre-half
Dennis Stevens
8   Posted 02/09/2009 at 16:48:55

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If Heitinga is up to the job, I’d much prefer to see him utilised as the defensive midfielder & Neville return to the right back position.
Dan Brierley
9   Posted 02/09/2009 at 16:38:29

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Steve, I think thats my point. How effective would Leighton be with Osman instead of Pienaar? And how more effective would Hibbert be if he had Pienaar supporting him?

I am quite suprised that Neville is considered a better RB than Hibbert. For aerial defence, sure Neville is superior due to his height. But generally speaking, the CB’s are responsible for covering this area? I am thinking the height of Cole, Gary Neville, Glen Johnson etc.

But for pace and tackling ability, Hibbert is surely ahead of Neville?
Brett Bradshaw
10   Posted 02/09/2009 at 17:20:04

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I personally think we should keep Baines and Pienaar together on the left. Then see if Heitinga and Billy can form a better partnership!

They would both switch sides from time to time to get some decent crosses in but I think cutting inside is where they will get the most joy.
Ian Hams
11   Posted 02/09/2009 at 16:51:09

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Like most posters I would have loved to see more success in the transfer window, yet whilst I am disappointed I am not despondent.

The squad is in a much stronger position to deal with the rigours of the season ahead than it was last year. People are listing all the players that have left but only one was a REGULAR first teamer, and replaced them wit three (admittedly) potential ones.

We now have the ability to rest key players and not have the same team playing three games a week during our European adventures.


Midfield give us loads of options in the middle and with Arteta coming back soon even more Pick from Gosling Pienaar Fellaini Rodwell Osman Cahill and Billy. That’s eight before you remember about Heitinga and Neville if not needed in defence.

And now we move on to attack Vaughan Jo and Saha are all fit the Yak is coming back and Anichebe will make a return at some point.

Add to all of these the chance to blood some youngsters in the European games I call that nearly two full teams to rotate if needed.

I shall know remove my rose coloured specs and return to slashing my wrists like everyone else (self included) has been for the last two months.
Ian Hams
12   Posted 02/09/2009 at 18:13:42

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Missing paragraph from above sorry.

In defence you can mix and match any four out of Baines Heitinga Yobo Distin Hibbert and Neville with the added assurance that Billy has covered LB for Russia and I believe Gosling could do a job for us at RB in Europe against any lesser teams. Oh yeh and there is some lad they call jags to come back in November
Ray Robinson
13   Posted 02/09/2009 at 19:36:14

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Heitinga may well prove to be better than Yobo or Distin but playing him at centre back and keeping Hibbert in the side would be a to achieve a marginal improvement at best whilst failing to address one of the major weaknesses in our team.

Nick Armitage says it all in the very first post.

On an unrelated subject, Vaughan was left out of the squad for the Wigan game, leading me to believe that he would be sold - but nothing happened. It would appear that, unless he is injured (again), he has no future at Everton. Am I reading the signs correctly?
John Parker
14   Posted 02/09/2009 at 20:23:31

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I for one would not be surprised to see Hibbert still at RB with Heitinga employed elsewhere, thats not to see I agree with it. I think Yobo has gone backwards in past year whether it is anything to do with his brothers kidnap I don’t know. If Jags was fit and JL had not defected he would have been 3rd choice CB.

At this point dare I mention Jan transfer window! If we are to do any business its imperative that we get into next stage of Europa Cup for us to attract more quality players otherwise cannot see any funds being released they will go down the black hole known as Kirkby.

Would like to see us go back for Banega but cannot see it happening, think Bentley on loan would be useful. With everyone chasing CB’s was really suprised no one(including us) went for Cahill a good young CB, perhaps he will be on our Jan sale window particularly if Bolton are still struggling.

Philip Jones
15   Posted 02/09/2009 at 20:49:03

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We also have a promising right / left back in the form of Coleman. He played in both positions during one match in pre-season. He been out with a toe injury lately but I’m hoping he’ll see the first team this term.
Mike Allison
16   Posted 02/09/2009 at 21:13:09

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Dan I definitely disagree with you re Hibbert and Neville. Neville is a far superior all round footballer (hence his ability to play in midfield) and has a much better football brain. For these reasons he is a better full back. Hibbert is tenacious and reasonably quick, but Neville’s superior brain would have him in the right position in the first place. He is also vastly superior going forward, comfortable on the ball and able to look up and select from a number of options, something I’m afraid Hibbert is completely unable to do.

The problem with this is that Neville has spent so long playing away from right back he may take some time to reacquaint with the position, from memory though, when he has ended up going back there he’s played well. I remember one game away vs Tottenham but this may be two seasons old now! After that game Moyes went on record as saying Neville’s best position was right back.
Nick Xenos
17   Posted 03/09/2009 at 03:25:29

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Neville’s definitely got to be our man at right-back with Heitinga’s superior quality on the ball utilized at defensive mid. Hibbert is a tenacious footballer but that’s about it. The reason why he needs to resort to his trademark last ditch slide tackle is because he is caught out of position more often than not. I believe Neville’s positional play more than makes up for his lack of pace. Nev at right-back, Heitinga at defensive mid, and Hiibbert left-back on the bench for me.
Ian Lewis
18   Posted 02/09/2009 at 16:40:41

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Top 100 prospects 2001: http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=84880

Interesting link that J Heitinga was in at No 17 8 years ago. More interestingly look at the some of the big names that never made it and the familiar ones that did — Kaka 95!

Jamie Duggan
19   Posted 04/09/2009 at 16:33:01

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Having heard Johnny Heitinga's interview with the every-present Sky camera, I am absolutely delighted that we have signed such a great player. Come to think of it, How can a player leave a club present in Champions League and sign for a team that is challenging for top four?

I hope Johnny Heitinga has his best ever years at Everton.

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