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A long hard season ahead

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In all fairness what were we expecting, the warning signs have been there from the start of the summer, this shit board not being able to attract/stump up any investment for Moyes.

We needed more than just the three players we got in, but this board does fuck all to get any funds in summer aftrer summer after summer and then that twat Elstone comes out and says weve spent around £30M! Who you trying to kid you fool! Make no mistake we were lucky against Wigan to get the 3 points. They could and should have buried us!......

It's a long hard season ahead for us.
Kunal Desai,     Posted 13/09/2009 at 15:18:57

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Jim Hourigan
1   Posted 13/09/2009 at 15:49:13

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Absolute garbage — no quality, no tactics — hump the ball forward and hope. Moyes is rubbish, he has reached his limit and has no idea how to progress. How do you take a centre forward off and replace him with a midfield player when you want to win a game — sorry he actually doesn’t want to win games,he just wants to avoid losing. How crap is that!!!

Why have we bought international footballers and sit them on the bench — no doubt he will say he hasn’t had enough time to work with them; if that's the case then it ain't going to change for the next 4 weeks. We will be playing Sunday, Thursday regularly so Monday off, no training on matchday, very light training if any the day before, so that leaves Tuesdays. Great! Let's see the master tactician work on Tuesdays and find excuses to keep playing Hibbert ("I don’t know what to do when I’ve got the ball and please don’t hit it over my head because I dont know where the opposition is") and Osman ("I’ll fall down and get knocked off the ball but look very sad"), who once again disappears whenever we need someone to try and get control back.

The midfield were anonymous second half; Pienaar never saw the ball; Rodwell was good when he had the ball but was too often caught out of position when the ball dropped loose (maturity! but he’ll get better); Cahill scored a goal and did bugger all else. Jo disappeared second half as the long aimless balls started.

Time to think long and hard about where Moyes will take us this year!!!
Phil Bellis
2   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:16:00

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Now then... bearing in mind Michael’s recent ’Call it curiosity’ blog and the accusations that followed maintaining certain posters expect too much and give the site a negative image, hows about us moaners, whingers, idealists etc taking a break

So, let’s hear from all you happy bunnies instead... point out the positives, highlight the ’realism’ of that performance and detail your level of satisfaction with the tactical decisions

Your readership awaits...

Ian McDowell
3   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:23:46

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really disappointing today thought when we where under the cosh in the second half we should of brought Vaughan on he is quick and would of harried the Fulham back 4 and forced them to defend deeper.

No creativity whatsoever i just cant see us scoring from open play.

Robert Elliott
4   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:18:56

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Most depressed I’ve been as an Everton fan for ages. At half-time, I thought we were on our way back, and was looking forward to being level on points with the Arsenal despite them stuffing us at Goodison on opening day. And then we just don’t turn up at all after the break. Gods knows why but that was just awful.

Add to that the news about Arteta, and the fact that we’ve given Spurs and Man City a nine-point headstart and even Villa a six-point headstart, and I think its clear 8th is the best we can hope for this year.

The fact is we’ve started the season completely unprepared for the second year running, but this year we won’t get away with it. Someone should be bloody answerable for that. Of course we could blame Blue Bill for continually failing to attract investment, and believe me — I do... but what the hell is Moyes doing in all this?

Consistently crap pre-season opposition, sulking when he’s told we aint got no money and then picking completely negative teams with players out of position. Neville gets carried off, and instead of bringing on Fellaini (a natural central midfielder) he brings on a right-back! Mind you, he was coming on to replace a right-back so maybe he got confused!
Andrew Bankes
5   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:30:49

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That was absolutely fucking abysmal. If Moyes wants us to persist with the aimless long ball ’style’ of play, why doesn’t he just go and buy a load of cloggers like Bolton or Blackburn?!? It may prove a little bit more effective.

What’s the point in picking supposed footballers such as Rodwell, Pienaar, Osman or Fellaini if you’re gonna consistently bypass them all game — or in Fellaini’s case just play the ball in his general direction and hope for the best?

There were glimpses in the first half of some decent moves involving Pienaar and Osman, yet the minute we are put under pressure, we resort to the hoof up-field to nobody, only for it to come straight back at us.

I’m totally sick to fucking death of watching this utter drivel, and it’s embarrassing to think that several million people across the country have just seen us play like that (again!).

Don’t worry though, as Moyes has mentioned a couple of times this last week, we started slowly last year too — so that’s OK then.

Chris Keightley
6   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:25:28

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I'm very disapointed with the manner in which we fell apart second half. In previous years, we would have seen out a 1-0 advantage 90% of the time. Our problem seems to be our poor build-up pre-season, when games versus Rochdale and Bury have little bearing on the quality of opposition we will be facing, especially in the light of our Europa Qualification; we should be playing in the four-team weekend tournaments against Europe's finest — not scraping with the likes of Bury, FFS

As for the team, Hibbert and Osman should never wear the blue of Everton again; they are at best Championship players and make me feel uncomfortable whenever their names are added to the starting 11.

There will be some of you who beleive we will recover and kick on!! The table, my friends, does not lie... we will IMHO finish below mid-table: 12th-13th. Sorry but all bar Wolves and maybe Birmingham would have fancied beating us today!!

Phil Rodgers
7   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:25:12

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Lescott's departure has possibly signalled the end of a pretty good period for the club. Everything seems stale from the top to the bottom. 4 games and 3 dreadful defeats. Embarrassing.
Kunal Desai
8   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:28:45

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At least Cahill is off the mark and running... positive!
Viv Sharma
9   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:32:50

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So I’m going to guess at :Pompey, us and maybe Wolves.

Its going to be bleak few years ahead unless we win the Europa Leage. On the back of that performance I would say we won’t though.
Sad sad days.
Thank god we have Pienaar, he’s the only thing we have worth watching.
Shane Brannigan
10   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:31:31

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We are SHIT simple as... Couldn't score in a whore house!!!!

We are about as creative as a bloody badger!

Moyes is a COWARD!!
Chris Jones
11   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:26:22

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You can’t blame the board for the team that Moyes picked today. Most of our side are regulars in their respective international sides or have international experience in abundance. Truth is Moyes consistently plays them out of position or shows loyalty to players who don’t deserve it.

Two good halves of league football out of eight so far this season is not good enough.

Here’s a few home truths:

Neville is a right back or good cover for left back, defensive midfiled.

Rodwell is quality, but he shouldn’t be playing week in week out.

Heitinga is a right back, cover for centre backs.

Osman is a decent sub to change the game - in Cahill’s attacking midfield position.

Fellaini is NOT a centre forward / attacking midfielder. He needs to play with the game in front of him as a deep lying midfielder.

Jo is NOT a centre forward he needs to play off someone else.

Hibbert is a reserve right back.

I could go on and on and on. Counted 6 players out of position at one point - reminiscent of when Smith played about 5 full backs.

Sorry if you’ve heard this all before but I’m sick of defending David Moyes now... it’s time to stand up make some decisions and play people in their positions.

Thursday better be a massive improvement or my hard earned will remain in my back pocket for a while.
Jason Broome
12   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:23:05

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Are you surprised? No aggression in the transfer market. Negative tactics on the pitch and now 2 defeats against mediocrity.

£19 Million and no improvement. The players can’t be arsed, the manager can’t be arsed so frankly neither can I.
Tommy Coleman
13   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:38:51

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Utter utter rubbish style of play and tactics from Moyes. The subsitution of Jo for a midfielder really sums Moyes up. No belief, not a positive bone in his body and he will always be a loser unless he changes. We got what we deserved.
Anthony Newell
14   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:37:39

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Couldn’t go near the game today, that’s how it’s got for me. Could see this a mile off, new signings on bench, dire conservative approach, hibbo and osman straight from the off. Moyes - your one fucking stubborn A-hole and I’m starting to wish you’d ply your misery elsewhere
Jeremy Benson
15   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:37:14

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I love all the Moyes-supporting comments on the matchday thread about how new players shouldn't be started straight away but brought in gradually.

Yes, because clearly, it was a major issue for Man City starting Lescott for the last 2 games, wasnt it? And all the other clubs who have started their trophy signings. That's the whole point — improve the squad with better signings. And Bily will be more match-fit than any other Everton player given the Russian season.

Moyes is far, far too defensive. He is not even glass half-empty — but rather glass almost empty.

Our best striker is left on the bench too. Once again, tactical and substitution awareness is shown to be Sunday-league standard. But that's actually not fair to most Sunday league managers.
Kunal Desai
16   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:36:12

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Viv - It’s going to be a few bleak years ahead not by winning the Europa league, but by getting rid of the shit board we have right now and the lies that go with it, until then only more anger and frustration lies in wait.
Franny Porter
17   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:35:12

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The thing that pisses me off the most, is the way Moyes continues to play this fucking boring 4-5-1 formation.

If he insists on playing this way, we need to start playing a more controlled on the deck game. Fucking hoofing it up to whatever unlucky cunt is playing on his own again is going to do fuck all.

I've always been a fan of Moyes, but ffs man, grow a set! There has got to be big changes in both tactics and personnel. I know a lot of people don't like 4-4-2 but it has got to be an improvement. Personally, I would like to see us try and do someting similar to what City did yesterday. 4-3-3, with Pienaar on the right, Jo on the left and the Yak in the middle.

I would love to see him take a chance and least make it enjoyable to watch. Right now, we are without doubt the most boring team to watch in the Premier League and we have been for a while.

Finally, this insistence on playing one striker fucking miles ahead of everyone else on his own, and lumping long balls up, is the reason why every striker we have/had looks shite.

Beattie/Johnson/Jo/Saha/Vaughan fighting a losing battle.

I for one, am getting sick of this shit.
Viv Sharma
18   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:41:26

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DM is so loyal to Osman and Hibbert he’s taking the whole club into a league where they’ll be at home.
John Martin
19   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:37:58

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People are saying it's not Moyes's fault yet last season's achievements were all down to him. He picks tactics (if you can call them that), he makes the daft substitutions that nobody can fathom out... but IMWT is all I hear. We will never be a top 4 side with him in charge and he will never manage Man Utd... fact!!!

We’ll beat AEK on Thursday and people will think everything will be ok, just like a last-minute pen against Wigan papered over the cracks of the summer. This season will be a struggle... we cant keep looking back and thinking, "Well, it was ok last year".

Chris Jones
20   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:43:53

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I was left open mouthed by the decision to bring Heitinga on for Neville — unbelievable decision... and then Felli on for Jo!!!!

Moyes comments that Felli and Cahill can’t play together worry me — does that mean Neville / Heitinga are first choice centre mid??!!!
Viv Sharma
21   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:46:50

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John Martin? Not the famous folk-songwriter who wrote that great tune...
What was it called?
Oh yeah, "Go down easy"...
Chris Jones
22   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:47:15

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Is it me or wouldn’t a fully fit blues’ team pick itself?

Howard
Heitinga, Jags, Distin, Baines
Pienaar, Fellaini, Arteta, Bily
Cahll
Yakubu

Subs: Nash, Neville, Yobo, Osman, Rodwell, Saha, Jo
David Barks
23   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:42:51

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Those like Chris Jones pointing out that the problem is Moyes playing so many players out of position are exactly right, you have hit the nail spot on the head. Heitinga is a seasoned international with Holland, a great footballing side, but Moyes continues to go with Hibbert (who could never come close to the England team) at right back and then subs Hietinga into midfield. Ignoring the obvious question of why the hell isn’t Heitinga in the lineup instead of Hibbert, why put a defender into the midfield when you have a midfielder on the bench who spent all of last season with this team. Brilliant decision.

Then we play a portion of the game with no striker, despite having two on the bench. Osman plays out wide even though we just bought a wide midfielder who was in the middle of the Russian League season, so no issue of fitness there. I can’t even go on any more, it’s just pointless. I can’t remember the last time Everton lined up under Moyes with every starting player in his natural position. It’s just useless.
John Taylor
24   Posted 13/09/2009 at 15:31:00

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I am really upset after today's game with Fulham. I was somewhat surprised that neither Heitinga or Bily started. Nevertheless the half-time score was satisfying and then the entire team went to sleep for at least 20 minutes.

I think Moyes's comment about £19 million showed his frustration with the board. I know it is early in the season but it just feels like all the progress Moyes has made in the last few years since we finished 4th has been thrown away by dithering Bill and Destination Nowhere.

Kunal Desai
25   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:42:19

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Can anyone tell me how can Jo be our main striker? I don’t know what qualities, if any this guy brings. I was never convinced with him last season and don’t know why we’ve got him on loan again this season. Sorry, a total waste of space in my opinion.
Ray Kelly
26   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:45:28

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Don't know what all the stick Tony Hibbert's getting is about, he was far from our worst player. Baines stunk on the other side, he kept letting Duff come inside all game when everyone in the country knows he's only got one foot... consequently he comes inside and has a free shot and scores!

Yobo is a fucking clown, he can't kick or head a ball. Pienaar also had a ’mare, constantly giving the ball away... and how many times does Jo have to get caught offside? It was fuckin’ garbage, long ball shite.

Pienaar's got to be stuck in the middle from now on and give Bily the left flank at least until Arteta's back. Osman could sell the programmes outside... so long as he can stay on his feet.

Guy Hastings
27   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:48:52

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1) Does no-one at Goodison know the offside law?
2) It’s either Rodwell or Neville — make your mind up, Moyes.
3) £16mill spent on shoring up the right flank and what do we get?

Two regulars whose positions are supposedly under threat having their worst games of the season so far (considering the opposition). ’Stale’ is the word one poster used and he’s bang on. One spawny win against Wigan does not look promising. Blackburn will be bloody and pretty ugly to watch and then it’s off to Pompey who are surely due a win. It doesn’t look good.

Mike Gaynes
28   Posted 13/09/2009 at 18:43:16

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Somebody explain to me why Moyes gets all the stick here. Gripe all you want about Moyes playing Hibbert and Ozzie, but they weren’t the screw-ups today. It was our three best defensive players whose dumb plays let us down. It wasn’t Moyes who fouled the harmless Pantsil at the 18, or got beaten in the air, or escorted Duff into the middle of the field and cleared him onto his left foot. It was Nev, Distin and Brainless Baines, in that order. But nobody’s calling them out.

It’s the players’ job to play. They didn’t today. If it’s the wrong players in the wrong positions who screw up, yeah, that’s partly Moyes’s fault. But today it was the right players in the right positions making stupid mistakes.

Put the blame where it’s due. Duff is what they call here in the States a one-trick pony. There’s no way in the world Baines should have allowed him to do the one thing he does best.

Viv Sharma
29   Posted 13/09/2009 at 19:15:14

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For starters Mike, I don;t think it was just me who noticed that once the second half started, we were clearly getting overrun. We needed a change but as per usual when things start to go bad, DM waits until after we concede to make a change.

Yes Hibbo and Ossie get some stick but they were truly awful today. Osman was never wide enough and basically left Hibbo to do all the attacking down that side so we either didn't attack at all down there or we were left with Hibbo lumping the ball into nowhere.

Yes, Baines should have done much better against Duff but that second half saw us constantly on the back foot until it was too late. Some decent attacking options would have relieved the pressure, but that didn’t happen until we were 2-1 down and Fulham were happy enough to sit back and ride it out.

DM has no idea about unlocking a defence in a tight game and consequently we forever struggle, especially against sides with strong defences.

Not good enough

Al Reddish
30   Posted 13/09/2009 at 19:16:14

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I agree with Mike here. I thought Baines especially was poor, and despite the stick Hibbert gets, it’s the left side of defence that is he problem at present. I like Baines but he has had a poor start to the season. His crossing, freekicks and corners barely pass the first man and his defensive decision making seems poor... look at today's second Fulham goal.

I thought Hibbert didnt do too bad, I also think that he would be a better player if he didnt have Osman, who has been poor for a while, in front of him, though I do admit to wanting to see what Heitinga can do at right back.

I am sorry if this is a ramble but this is how I saw things today:
HOWARD: couldn’t help the goals nd did ok
HIBBERT: steady but not a world beater
YOBO: a good game but would love to see some leadership
DISTIN: fairly solid but needs to settle
BAINES: a bit of a let down, poor for their winner and he aint no freekick taker
OSMAN; started brightly but the usual fade and no support for Hibbert
NEVILLE: stupid, stupid foul for their first though hope injury ain’t too serious
CAHILL: scored but offered little else, a poor start to the season by his standards
RODWELL; solid and assured but not to be played alongside Neville. Two minuses don’t equal a plus.
JO: a good first half with some nice touches, however you can’t keep whacking 50 yard balls onto his head and expect him to be a 20 goal a season striker
PIENAAR: a bright spark in a dull team and we will be lucky to keep hold of him
SUBS: all too little too late
MOYES; I like him but as someone has said.....take a fucking chance. He has Vaughan and The Yak back, as well as new players stuck on the bench, and does fuck all with them........use them or lose them you fool. Every other team has stuck their new players in as they are meant to be an improvement, us, well maybe we will see them in November, probably playing out of position!!!!!!!!

Brian Waring
31   Posted 13/09/2009 at 19:43:35

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Mike, Neville goes off and is replaced by a defender. Now, Fellaini is a holding midfield player, so why not replace Neville with him, and for once play him in his proper position?

Jo goes off and is replaced by a midfield player, even though we have 2 strikers on the bench. That’s why Moyes deserved most of the stick, because he hasn’t got a clue.

Mark Fitzgerald
32   Posted 13/09/2009 at 19:37:27

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Outplayed by Fulham, tough to swallow. Sometimes it’s hard to be positive, and today’s game is one of those occassions.

Prior to kickoff the omens were bad. At least three of the players sitting on the bench should have started this game. But Moyes plumps once more for his cagey defensive performers. C’mon, this is Fulham. Surely we can field a better starting eleven then them.

Our game plan (if one existed) seemed to be the tried and trusted lump it up and hope for the best. A corner, a free kick, a deflection? We can be so hard to watch. No style, no flair, no imagination. No plan B.

I had hoped that eventually when we had a talented bunch of players, that Moyes would change his attitude and consider attacking football as an option. But, alas, it’s not to be. I’m not sure how much more of this I can stomach.

Let Bily, Fell, Pienaar, etc all play together. We may still lose, but at least we will have players out there who can pass and create. And who just might be entertaining. It’s seems like an age since we’ve had that.

Gareth Hughes
33   Posted 13/09/2009 at 20:08:59

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I’ll just mention one thing that no-one else has mentioned; didn’t Jonny Heitinga look bloody awful when he came on? Now, I don’t know what his best position is and I’m not saying that he did anything drastically wrong but God, he looks clumsy amd nothing like a Dutch international who has shattered our wage structure. Yet another very worrying thing to take away from today's game
John Martin
34   Posted 13/09/2009 at 20:15:55

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With Moyes in charge we play just as bad as Bolton or Blackburn or Stoke. But because we are Everton we don't want to believe it. 75% of our goals in the league this year have come from set plays.Two defensive midfielders Osman hopelessley out of form and Cahill hardly the most creative player around... it comes as no surprise to see our team struggling.

Cautious against a team in the bottom 3 — imagine how bad we will be against a good side. Actually we don't have to... we saw it in the 1st game against Arsenal. At least we will have no worries about a top 4 team poaching our manager.

Tom Bowers
35   Posted 13/09/2009 at 21:07:00

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I taped the game and watched it later and as soon as I saw Hibbert and Osman coming out of the tunnel, I got a bad feeling... yes, Mr Predictable had done it again. He didn’t have the guts to play the new guys, even though they have the class and pedigree way above Osman and Hibbert. When Fulham were playing so poorly in the first half Everton couldn't punish them and as so often happens we pay the penalty.

We have now lost to two poor teams,got very lucky against Wigan and been thrashed by a team who emphasized the difference in class.

This is a really bad situation and Moyes has lost the plot. We have to consider a change in management before too long. This cannot be considered a slow start... it is showing all the signs of a crisis unfolding.

John Grills
36   Posted 13/09/2009 at 21:21:24

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The table doesn't lie. Moyesie's shortcomings are there for all to see. Overall I think he has done pretty well for us as a manager, but he certainly has his limitations.

The result against Fulham was particularly disappointing given that those are usually the kind of teams that we get a result against. Our form against last seasons big four is of course abysmal. One win out of four, things aren't looking good for sure.

Stan Sheppard
37   Posted 13/09/2009 at 22:17:01

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The second half was some of the most hard to watch, crock of shite I have ever seen from an Everton team. No creativity, awful passing, baffling subs and Pip spending the match looking lost and flying into silly challenges. To be fair to him he wasn’t alone. What was the plan for the second 45 minutes?

Moyes and the team are capable of so much more. The annoying and worrying thing is that we don’t create chances from open play. Surely changes must be made......

ps: Danny Murphy is a shithouse.
John Andrews
38   Posted 13/09/2009 at 22:25:09

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Once again I will have to agree with most of which has been said above.
To lose to Fulham when we comfortably beat them last season is beyond the pale as far as I am concerned.
Phil Bellis
39   Posted 14/09/2009 at 00:42:00

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Thought not
Jason Lam
40   Posted 14/09/2009 at 06:34:13

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Distin had a bad game and not because of the deflected goal. He looked nervy, indecisive, and fucking knackered towards the end he was falling over his own feet. Distin was pulled out in no-man’s land for the second goal (though Baines should’ve known Duff’s one peg game).

The positives were Cahill off the mark and Rodwell who was class. Shit we need a fully fit Jags back asap.
Martin Mason
41   Posted 14/09/2009 at 12:17:44

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I’m lucky in that I haven’t been carried away with our success over the last couple of years and always seen severe limitations that we overcame by playing a negative 4-5-1 which kept clean sheets and with a few goals each from a small group of players got us enough points to not only avoid relegation by to, amazingly, be the best of the rest.

I’ve also rated Fellaini as overpriced at £1.5M never mind €15M. Since the end of 1970 (short periods in the 80s apart) we have also been destined to suffer some truly dreadful football teams coached by some truly awful managers and this could be it again after so much promise.

A Dutch guy who I work with told me Heitinga wouldn’t get a game in his son’s infant side and Everton are becoming more and more like the Emperor with no clothes. We have the air of terminal rot about us now too, possibly started by the dreadful Lescott affair, but if we don’t arrest it soon then there is no limit to how badly we can do this year — including relegation.

Hopefully I’ll be made to look like an idiot and hopefully the old adage that good players don’t become bad overnight will kick in but what is worrying me is that most of them were never actually that good but flattered to deceive. It is quite likely though that we have been rumbled and have no Plan B. Think also of the possibility of Jags and Arteta coming back a permanent yard short of pace? Oh dear, it’s all too depressing to contemplate.

Chris Perry
42   Posted 13/09/2009 at 16:34:47

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Well, I cannot say I am surprised, what a damn bad team selection. Over £30 millions sat on the bench whilst Leon "Kaka" Osman and Tony "Maldini" Hibbert get first birth. I mean they must be fucking world class on the training ground, do they ship in a Sunday League team and tell Moyes et al to watch from a distance whilst Hibs and Ossy sh???? OR and this is a big or have they got something over Moyes? Talk about beer goggles on the training ground... or something more sinister?

Something is not right, something stinks with the team selection, the tactics, the lack of ambition. What is it and when is it going to be sorted out, as I and millions, yes millions of other fans can't take this anymore.

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