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A long hard season ahead
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In all fairness what were we expecting, the warning signs have been there from the start of the summer, this shit board not being able to attract/stump up any investment for Moyes.
We needed more than just the three players we got in, but this board does fuck all to get any funds in summer aftrer summer after summer and then that twat Elstone comes out and says weve spent around £30M! Who you trying to kid you fool! Make no mistake we were lucky against Wigan to get the 3 points. They could and should have buried us!......
It's a long hard season ahead for us.
Kunal Desai, Posted 13/09/2009 at 15:18:57
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So, let’s hear from all you happy bunnies instead... point out the positives, highlight the ’realism’ of that performance and detail your level of satisfaction with the tactical decisions
Your readership awaits...
No creativity whatsoever i just cant see us scoring from open play.
Add to that the news about Arteta, and the fact that we’ve given Spurs and Man City a nine-point headstart and even Villa a six-point headstart, and I think its clear 8th is the best we can hope for this year.
The fact is we’ve started the season completely unprepared for the second year running, but this year we won’t get away with it. Someone should be bloody answerable for that. Of course we could blame Blue Bill for continually failing to attract investment, and believe me — I do... but what the hell is Moyes doing in all this?
Consistently crap pre-season opposition, sulking when he’s told we aint got no money and then picking completely negative teams with players out of position. Neville gets carried off, and instead of bringing on Fellaini (a natural central midfielder) he brings on a right-back! Mind you, he was coming on to replace a right-back so maybe he got confused!
What’s the point in picking supposed footballers such as Rodwell, Pienaar, Osman or Fellaini if you’re gonna consistently bypass them all game — or in Fellaini’s case just play the ball in his general direction and hope for the best?
There were glimpses in the first half of some decent moves involving Pienaar and Osman, yet the minute we are put under pressure, we resort to the hoof up-field to nobody, only for it to come straight back at us.
I’m totally sick to fucking death of watching this utter drivel, and it’s embarrassing to think that several million people across the country have just seen us play like that (again!).
Don’t worry though, as Moyes has mentioned a couple of times this last week, we started slowly last year too — so that’s OK then.
As for the team, Hibbert and Osman should never wear the blue of Everton again; they are at best Championship players and make me feel uncomfortable whenever their names are added to the starting 11.
There will be some of you who beleive we will recover and kick on!! The table, my friends, does not lie... we will IMHO finish below mid-table: 12th-13th. Sorry but all bar Wolves and maybe Birmingham would have fancied beating us today!!
Its going to be bleak few years ahead unless we win the Europa Leage. On the back of that performance I would say we won’t though.
Sad sad days.
Thank god we have Pienaar, he’s the only thing we have worth watching.
We are about as creative as a bloody badger!
Moyes is a COWARD!!
Two good halves of league football out of eight so far this season is not good enough.
Here’s a few home truths:
Neville is a right back or good cover for left back, defensive midfiled.
Rodwell is quality, but he shouldn’t be playing week in week out.
Heitinga is a right back, cover for centre backs.
Osman is a decent sub to change the game - in Cahill’s attacking midfield position.
Fellaini is NOT a centre forward / attacking midfielder. He needs to play with the game in front of him as a deep lying midfielder.
Jo is NOT a centre forward he needs to play off someone else.
Hibbert is a reserve right back.
I could go on and on and on. Counted 6 players out of position at one point - reminiscent of when Smith played about 5 full backs.
Sorry if you’ve heard this all before but I’m sick of defending David Moyes now... it’s time to stand up make some decisions and play people in their positions.
Thursday better be a massive improvement or my hard earned will remain in my back pocket for a while.
£19 Million and no improvement. The players can’t be arsed, the manager can’t be arsed so frankly neither can I.
Yes, because clearly, it was a major issue for Man City starting Lescott for the last 2 games, wasnt it? And all the other clubs who have started their trophy signings. That's the whole point — improve the squad with better signings. And Bily will be more match-fit than any other Everton player given the Russian season.
Moyes is far, far too defensive. He is not even glass half-empty — but rather glass almost empty.
Our best striker is left on the bench too. Once again, tactical and substitution awareness is shown to be Sunday-league standard. But that's actually not fair to most Sunday league managers.
If he insists on playing this way, we need to start playing a more controlled on the deck game. Fucking hoofing it up to whatever unlucky cunt is playing on his own again is going to do fuck all.
I've always been a fan of Moyes, but ffs man, grow a set! There has got to be big changes in both tactics and personnel. I know a lot of people don't like 4-4-2 but it has got to be an improvement. Personally, I would like to see us try and do someting similar to what City did yesterday. 4-3-3, with Pienaar on the right, Jo on the left and the Yak in the middle.
I would love to see him take a chance and least make it enjoyable to watch. Right now, we are without doubt the most boring team to watch in the Premier League and we have been for a while.
Finally, this insistence on playing one striker fucking miles ahead of everyone else on his own, and lumping long balls up, is the reason why every striker we have/had looks shite.
Beattie/Johnson/Jo/Saha/Vaughan fighting a losing battle.
I for one, am getting sick of this shit.
We’ll beat AEK on Thursday and people will think everything will be ok, just like a last-minute pen against Wigan papered over the cracks of the summer. This season will be a struggle... we cant keep looking back and thinking, "Well, it was ok last year".
Moyes comments that Felli and Cahill can’t play together worry me — does that mean Neville / Heitinga are first choice centre mid??!!!
What was it called?
Oh yeah, "Go down easy"...
Howard
Heitinga, Jags, Distin, Baines
Pienaar, Fellaini, Arteta, Bily
Cahll
Yakubu
Subs: Nash, Neville, Yobo, Osman, Rodwell, Saha, Jo
Then we play a portion of the game with no striker, despite having two on the bench. Osman plays out wide even though we just bought a wide midfielder who was in the middle of the Russian League season, so no issue of fitness there. I can’t even go on any more, it’s just pointless. I can’t remember the last time Everton lined up under Moyes with every starting player in his natural position. It’s just useless.
I think Moyes's comment about £19 million showed his frustration with the board. I know it is early in the season but it just feels like all the progress Moyes has made in the last few years since we finished 4th has been thrown away by dithering Bill and Destination Nowhere.
Yobo is a fucking clown, he can't kick or head a ball. Pienaar also had a ’mare, constantly giving the ball away... and how many times does Jo have to get caught offside? It was fuckin’ garbage, long ball shite.
Pienaar's got to be stuck in the middle from now on and give Bily the left flank at least until Arteta's back. Osman could sell the programmes outside... so long as he can stay on his feet.
2) It’s either Rodwell or Neville — make your mind up, Moyes.
3) £16mill spent on shoring up the right flank and what do we get?
Two regulars whose positions are supposedly under threat having their worst games of the season so far (considering the opposition). ’Stale’ is the word one poster used and he’s bang on. One spawny win against Wigan does not look promising. Blackburn will be bloody and pretty ugly to watch and then it’s off to Pompey who are surely due a win. It doesn’t look good.
It’s the players’ job to play. They didn’t today. If it’s the wrong players in the wrong positions who screw up, yeah, that’s partly Moyes’s fault. But today it was the right players in the right positions making stupid mistakes.
Put the blame where it’s due. Duff is what they call here in the States a one-trick pony. There’s no way in the world Baines should have allowed him to do the one thing he does best.
Yes Hibbo and Ossie get some stick but they were truly awful today. Osman was never wide enough and basically left Hibbo to do all the attacking down that side so we either didn't attack at all down there or we were left with Hibbo lumping the ball into nowhere.
Yes, Baines should have done much better against Duff but that second half saw us constantly on the back foot until it was too late. Some decent attacking options would have relieved the pressure, but that didn’t happen until we were 2-1 down and Fulham were happy enough to sit back and ride it out.
DM has no idea about unlocking a defence in a tight game and consequently we forever struggle, especially against sides with strong defences.
Not good enough
I thought Hibbert didnt do too bad, I also think that he would be a better player if he didnt have Osman, who has been poor for a while, in front of him, though I do admit to wanting to see what Heitinga can do at right back.
I am sorry if this is a ramble but this is how I saw things today:
HOWARD: couldn’t help the goals nd did ok
HIBBERT: steady but not a world beater
YOBO: a good game but would love to see some leadership
DISTIN: fairly solid but needs to settle
BAINES: a bit of a let down, poor for their winner and he aint no freekick taker
OSMAN; started brightly but the usual fade and no support for Hibbert
NEVILLE: stupid, stupid foul for their first though hope injury ain’t too serious
CAHILL: scored but offered little else, a poor start to the season by his standards
RODWELL; solid and assured but not to be played alongside Neville. Two minuses don’t equal a plus.
JO: a good first half with some nice touches, however you can’t keep whacking 50 yard balls onto his head and expect him to be a 20 goal a season striker
PIENAAR: a bright spark in a dull team and we will be lucky to keep hold of him
SUBS: all too little too late
MOYES; I like him but as someone has said.....take a fucking chance. He has Vaughan and The Yak back, as well as new players stuck on the bench, and does fuck all with them........use them or lose them you fool. Every other team has stuck their new players in as they are meant to be an improvement, us, well maybe we will see them in November, probably playing out of position!!!!!!!!
Jo goes off and is replaced by a midfield player, even though we have 2 strikers on the bench. That’s why Moyes deserved most of the stick, because he hasn’t got a clue.
Prior to kickoff the omens were bad. At least three of the players sitting on the bench should have started this game. But Moyes plumps once more for his cagey defensive performers. C’mon, this is Fulham. Surely we can field a better starting eleven then them.
Our game plan (if one existed) seemed to be the tried and trusted lump it up and hope for the best. A corner, a free kick, a deflection? We can be so hard to watch. No style, no flair, no imagination. No plan B.
I had hoped that eventually when we had a talented bunch of players, that Moyes would change his attitude and consider attacking football as an option. But, alas, it’s not to be. I’m not sure how much more of this I can stomach.
Let Bily, Fell, Pienaar, etc all play together. We may still lose, but at least we will have players out there who can pass and create. And who just might be entertaining. It’s seems like an age since we’ve had that.
Cautious against a team in the bottom 3 — imagine how bad we will be against a good side. Actually we don't have to... we saw it in the 1st game against Arsenal. At least we will have no worries about a top 4 team poaching our manager.
We have now lost to two poor teams,got very lucky against Wigan and been thrashed by a team who emphasized the difference in class.
This is a really bad situation and Moyes has lost the plot. We have to consider a change in management before too long. This cannot be considered a slow start... it is showing all the signs of a crisis unfolding.
The result against Fulham was particularly disappointing given that those are usually the kind of teams that we get a result against. Our form against last seasons big four is of course abysmal. One win out of four, things aren't looking good for sure.
Moyes and the team are capable of so much more. The annoying and worrying thing is that we don’t create chances from open play. Surely changes must be made......
ps: Danny Murphy is a shithouse.
To lose to Fulham when we comfortably beat them last season is beyond the pale as far as I am concerned.
The positives were Cahill off the mark and Rodwell who was class. Shit we need a fully fit Jags back asap.
I’ve also rated Fellaini as overpriced at £1.5M never mind €15M. Since the end of 1970 (short periods in the 80s apart) we have also been destined to suffer some truly dreadful football teams coached by some truly awful managers and this could be it again after so much promise.
A Dutch guy who I work with told me Heitinga wouldn’t get a game in his son’s infant side and Everton are becoming more and more like the Emperor with no clothes. We have the air of terminal rot about us now too, possibly started by the dreadful Lescott affair, but if we don’t arrest it soon then there is no limit to how badly we can do this year — including relegation.
Hopefully I’ll be made to look like an idiot and hopefully the old adage that good players don’t become bad overnight will kick in but what is worrying me is that most of them were never actually that good but flattered to deceive. It is quite likely though that we have been rumbled and have no Plan B. Think also of the possibility of Jags and Arteta coming back a permanent yard short of pace? Oh dear, it’s all too depressing to contemplate.
Something is not right, something stinks with the team selection, the tactics, the lack of ambition. What is it and when is it going to be sorted out, as I and millions, yes millions of other fans can't take this anymore.
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1 Posted 13/09/2009 at 15:49:13
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Why have we bought international footballers and sit them on the bench — no doubt he will say he hasn’t had enough time to work with them; if that's the case then it ain't going to change for the next 4 weeks. We will be playing Sunday, Thursday regularly so Monday off, no training on matchday, very light training if any the day before, so that leaves Tuesdays. Great! Let's see the master tactician work on Tuesdays and find excuses to keep playing Hibbert ("I don’t know what to do when I’ve got the ball and please don’t hit it over my head because I dont know where the opposition is") and Osman ("I’ll fall down and get knocked off the ball but look very sad"), who once again disappears whenever we need someone to try and get control back.
The midfield were anonymous second half; Pienaar never saw the ball; Rodwell was good when he had the ball but was too often caught out of position when the ball dropped loose (maturity! but he’ll get better); Cahill scored a goal and did bugger all else. Jo disappeared second half as the long aimless balls started.
Time to think long and hard about where Moyes will take us this year!!!