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Dismal, Disappointing and Downright Frustrating.

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In a side which to all intents and purposes lacks the necessary creativity to break into the top four, and in which the creative players that do exist are played out of position, and thus stifled; what should a fan expect when a couple of new signings arrive who ‘give us options’, one of whom is a goal scoring midfielder who specialises on the wing; where at present the team has a central midfielder out of position.

The display of hoofball at Fulham, where Davey fielded neither of his new signings was an absolute disgrace. Everton are crying out for a bit of pace, a bit of movement and a change to the predictable route one crap the fans are subjected to on a weekly (weakly) basis. Pienaar, Fellaini, Cahill – midfielders who play regularly at international level, yet when they don the Royal Blue of Everton they seem to lose all movement and all ingenuity.

OK, so this is a little bit of an exaggeration, but I am sick to the back teeth of watching teams come to Goodison and play delicate little balls to their forwards, who hold off Everton defenders and then make an opportunity. I am fed up with seeing Everton players not able to pass a ball on the ground, not able to pass and move – Everton play with 5 midfielders for fuck’s sake, how can the middle of the team be so rigid, so unable to adapt. The only delicate little pass I saw all game came from Fellaini (through the defence to Pienaar) and he had started the game on the bench!!

Apparently the only ‘option’ DM wants is to be able to have his expensive new signings warming the bench. DM needs to change his thinking if he is to make Everton successful.
Rupert Sullivan, Paris     Posted 14/09/2009 at 07:00:57

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Jay Harris
1   Posted 14/09/2009 at 13:57:48

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Rupert,
totally agree.

It’s already been said by so may supporters that it is clearly obvious to all but DM.

I can understand, but not necessarily agree with starting the new lads on the bench but, watching the pattern of the second half unfold and even when Neville was injured, most people would have thrown at least a couple of new faces on.

Loyalty is a great quality, and I can understand why he wouldn’t want to destroy the confidence of the lads by dragging them off, but loyalty doesn’t win you games like yesterday.

I was also concerned at the general lethargy shown by all the team and wonder if the "infamous" Moyes body language isn’t filtering through to the squad again.

Time to get yourself and the squad motivated again Davey boy.
Alan Kirwin
2   Posted 14/09/2009 at 14:15:12

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Shocking, boring, predictable, preventable. £3.6m a year demands a large firework up the arse.
Mac Lloyd
3   Posted 14/09/2009 at 14:12:23

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A little unfair to say Pienaar, Fellaini and Chaill "lose all movement and all ingenuity", how many Oz, Belguim and SA games have you actually seen? Do they play that different for their country? Pienaar plays in a free role for SA which we know Moyesy doesn’t like because he’s into solid shapes, but Cahill and Fellaini don’t play much different.

Don’t expect wonder cures from the new signings; apart from Dusty Bin at the back they’ll all need time to get used to the Premier League.
Ciarán McGlone
4   Posted 14/09/2009 at 14:38:55

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It’s embarrasing that neutrals would have to watch that as one of the ’Super Sunday’ games... talk about false advertising.

We are rapidly becoming one of the worst teams in the Premier League to watch... and I can’t see how it can change until Arteta comes back.
Tony Gee
5   Posted 14/09/2009 at 14:44:59

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Moyes has inherited the Walter Smith "Don’t lose at all costs" approach to matches. Can you imagine SAF taking off his striker at 1-1 to put a midfielder on..?! As usual, dithering Dave only put Yakubu (a striker) on when all was lost....

Mr Moyes, you have the tactical nouse of a retarded sloth.
Norman Merrill
6   Posted 14/09/2009 at 14:49:42

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Rupert, Well said and, if I may say, you were rather kind to our manager. As I was one of many thousands who made the trip down to Craven Cottage, I saw first-hand the inept display.

The problem is when you come onto this site, and criticize Moyes, you stand to be berated by his supporters. You have pointed out the problem with his team selection, and his tactics, or should I say lack of... I just wonder, when the penny is going to drop for him to get on the same level as most fans and see where we are going wrong.

Tony Marsh
7   Posted 14/09/2009 at 15:10:28

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Moyes is a clown and his tactics are a disgrace. We are by far the worst team to watch in the country and it's all down to Desperate Dave. I thought the only positive I could take from last season's cup final was that we had seen the last of Osman and Hibbert but, oh no — they are first pick on the team sheet yet again.

It's fucking hard to stomach watching that shite while £15 millions worth of new talent warms the bench. What the fuck's going on?
Dave Lynch
8   Posted 14/09/2009 at 15:21:08

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Maybe it’s just me... but I fail to see what Cahill brings to the team other than the odd goal (cue the Aussie onslaught).

His tackling is woefull, he has no vision and cannot pass to save his life. All this from a supposed world class player?

Befor you all jump down my throat, when have you ever seen him take a game by the scruff of the kneck and impose himself? Don’t give me that "He’s not that type of player" bollox either. He’s not Prem standard. End of.

Liam Reilly
9   Posted 14/09/2009 at 15:49:22

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No arguments, Rupert. How can we play five in the middle and constantly hoof the balls over their heads to the one soul up front is beyond me.

I think Moyes needs to accept some responsibility for that second half yesterday. Any muppet could see we were getting over-run after the break and we needed a swift change in tactics, not taking off your only forward for a midfielder.

Andy Codling
10   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:01:25

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Davey Moyes has long been the clone of Walter Smith: Defend, defend ,defend at all cost. Have EVERY player back for set pieces and then hoof it up the pitch, which invites another attack from opposition.

Tony Marsh — spot on, mate. How the fuck are Osman and Hibbert still in that team? Why take of your only forward and bring on a midfielder and leave a pacey winger on the bench?

Davey Moyes must be believing his own publicity. I'd lose no sleep if he fucked off as it's his brand of football that gets me to sleep.

James Stewart
11   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:05:46

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Yes, Dave Lynch, I have. If you think so little of Cahill can I ask what you think of the others we had out yesterday!?

Seriously, Cahill is not the problem! Tony Marsh is right — after the final I seriously thought such a public humiliation would spell the end of Hibbert/Osman.

Moyes is the only one you can fault for that. Dismal tactics if you can even call them that. Pathetic & I am seriously embarrassed whenever I watch everton these days. Win or lose you pretty much get the same.
James Stewart
12   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:10:39

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It was like Walter Smith Mk II on Sunday : ( ....
Roy Jones
13   Posted 14/09/2009 at 17:03:14

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(Tony marsh spot on mate , How the fuck are Osman and Hibbert still in that team?)

What the fuck has Hibbert done wrong here the fella gets slated while Baines gets Fuck all abuse on here even though an out of position Nicklas Bentdner ripped the shit out of him in a 6-1 defeat and an out of position Damien Duff done the same yesterday but yet no Baines bashing its all hibberts an Osmans fault sort yer heads out.


Anthony Doran
14   Posted 14/09/2009 at 17:07:19

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It's is MAD that our new signings didn't get to play at least some point of the game against Fulham. I can fathom any logic as to why that was??
Michael Kenrick
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15   Posted 14/09/2009 at 17:10:14

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Err.. Anthony: One of them did. But you may well not have noticed as it was late in the game when wonder boy Heitinga came on...
James Boden
16   Posted 14/09/2009 at 20:34:53

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Moyes is a clown and his tactics are a disgrace. We are by far the worst team to watch in the country and it’s all down to Desperate Dave. I thought the only positive I could take from last season’s cup final was that we had seen the last of Osman and Hibbert but, oh no — they are first pick on the team sheet yet again.

It’s fucking hard to stomach watching that shite while £15 millions worth of new talent warms the bench. What the fuck’s going on?
You summed it all up there Tony Marsh.
Ste Lewis
17   Posted 14/09/2009 at 20:43:16

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The team that started could and should have won after easily controlling the first half. We couldn't up the pace when they did. Confidence? Fitness?

Why people want to throw in new signings after a couple of days training (Bily and Heitinga arrived back from the internationals on Friday) I’ll never know. They wouldn't have been able to up the pace of our game — the first half would have seemed a million miles an hour to them. They need drip feeding the Premier League experience to see their true worth. Im waiting for the same clowns to come out and predict ’a long hard season’ or ’relegation trouble’ again. 8 points from 8 games was piss poor last year, we're a better side now. Awful start but you’d be a fool not to think we’ll turn it around soon. When low on confidence, the first thing to go is the football, it’ll be back. Have faith, be a supporter.

Rupert Sullivan
18   Posted 14/09/2009 at 20:59:19

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Sorry Ste but how do you work out that Everton are a better side now? Lesoctt out, Distin in — Bily and Heitinga not playing and according to your own words need drip feeding to see their true worth; I don’t mean to be pedantic but if you don’t know their true worth, how can the team be better now?

To be honest though, if the same team (which ostensibly it is) that played so well the back end of last season cannot beat Burnley and Fulham, then how anyone can say that it is a better team is beyond me. These guys have been playing together for a while now — why suddenly, after a 2-month layoff, are they THIS bad??
Brian Waring
19   Posted 14/09/2009 at 20:56:09

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Ste: "When low on confidence, the first thing to go is the football" Ahhh, that's why we have played hoofball for most of the last 7 years. That’s a long time to be low on confidence, Ste.
Andy Codling
20   Posted 14/09/2009 at 22:12:46

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Ste Lewis, the Russian season started back in March and are already 21 games in, so that means Bily will be fitter than most in the team.

The problem is, Moyes is so dour and defensive, and hasn’t the bollocks to make attacking subs and kill games off.

Russell Buckley
21   Posted 15/09/2009 at 00:18:34

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I’m as disappointed now as any Everton fan, maybe even as much as Tony. I’ll say straight up, I’m an Australian, so take what you want from this. I just don’t understand why some of our supporters keep bringing up problems with Cahill not taking control of a game and criticise the man for not being a well-rounded player.

Cahill has played for this club for many years now; from the comments I’ve read on here lately, it would still appear that many of our supporters don’t have a clue about what kind of player he is. In cold reality, Cahill is a poacher and one of the best there is at it. He has a better goal scoring record than either Lampard of Gerrard. Sure he won’t govern the midfield, bringing down players and threading neat passes, but he will get goals every season and important ones at that.

If he was on the roster at a club like AC Milan, he would be an impact sub... but he is not. He is ours, he loves this club, we win more games with him in the squad and he typically puts in. Look at how Guus Hiddink played Cahill when he was in charge of the Socceroos. Cahill played in his natural position as an advanced midfielder or was saved to be a key impact sub who could swing a game.

You only have to look at what he did to Japan to know how effective he is in that role. Watch some national games and you will see that he can fit into a 4-man midfield very effectively, if the other players have some craft about them. It's not Cahill’s fault our current midfield couldn’t punch their way out of a wet paper bag.

He, like a striker, will thrive off good service. It just points out how important Arteta is to us... and the need to get Bily in.

Rupert Sullivan
22   Posted 15/09/2009 at 08:04:58

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Russell - I’m fully behind you on that one. I would like to see Cahill used as an impact sub at Everton. But this is part of my point, I know I am not a football manager, but I do believe that Moyes uses some of our players badly, and in the wrong positions.

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