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Ok so the table does not look too good and 3 losses from 4 is not the best... however, I will add a little bit of optimism to the current situation. Our squad is clearly the strongest I can remember in a long time (maybe since the 80s....cue debate) and one of the strongest in the league (behind the top four), we have quality and selection headaches all over the field and once the players begin to gel and Moyes discovers his favoured 11 we will climb the table, we are too good and deep not to.

We knew Moyes was not going to throw the new boys straight in at the expense of Osman/Hibbert yesterday, they must prove themselves first and I think, although we all want to see them asap, that this is the right way to do it. I firmly believe that in the next 7 premier league fixtures leading up to Man U and Liverpool, we will prove our worth as a top 6 contender as we make hay against Blackburn, Portsmouth, Stoke, Wolves, Bolton, Villa and West Ham. I predict we will be no worse than 7th by the time United come along.

I am fairly happy with the team (unheard of for me), I will be more happy when Arteta and Jags are back (little worried about Distin and Yobo at this point I admit), fantastic to see the Yak yesterday, shame about Neville but we can absorb it... time to push on and go on the type of run we enjoyed so much last season. COYB
Richard Williams, Mamaroneck, NY, USA     Posted 14/09/2009 at 12:22:26

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Ciarán McGlone
1   Posted 14/09/2009 at 15:55:41

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What team are you talking about again?

Because it certainly isn’t Everton!
Colin Potter
2   Posted 14/09/2009 at 15:54:20

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Why are people satisfied with a top six spot every season? I know Moyes has his hands tied, up to a point, but he’s been here 8 years in January, and we are still playing crap hoofball. Imo he’s taken us as far as he can, he is not worth £3m a year. The top four at the moment are way ahead of us, and they shouldn’t be, not after 8 years and the managerial stability wev’e had.
James Stewart
3   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:12:09

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Nicely put Colin & quite right: Time to change or regress.
Phil Martin
4   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:20:18

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Colin Potter, I’m not sure what form of crack you’ve been on today but you are talking bollox. Name me one manager who will get us regular top 4 finishes on a net spend of £0.00M every fucking summer?

We play crap football because our main playmaker is out and our other better players are out of form. AND the board don't give a fuck otherwise they would’ve given Moyes cash to spend when he needed it most (at the beginning of the summer) NOT 3 weeks in.

Jay Harris
5   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:24:17

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Richard,
I don't know about optimism after the manner in which we’ve started the season AGAIN.

The club promised at the end of last season that lessons were learned from last year and we would get players in early this year.

Yet again the hierarchy have failed Moyes and you can see from his body language he is just as depressed as last year having been let down again.

It is an absolute disgrace that a club as big as EFC can get to consistent 5th places and a cup final and have to sell one of it’s best players to finance new signings.

What other club in the Pemier League, let alone the top 10, has to sell players every year to fund new players and has a shrinking squad???

Unlike you, I feel the squad is totally inadequate in quality and quantity to seriously compete with anybody this year... Let me ask you one question: Which premier squad in Europe faces a crucial match with no right back because their regular (inadequate) RB is suspended and their 6 million acquisition is ineligible?

You couldn't make it up.
Anthony Doran
6   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:36:37

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Moyes is shite because under him we’ve had our best seasons since the 80s, he is to blame for playing shite players cos that's pretty much all we have. The board are gansters cos they're broke and won't tell us all how much we have spent, even though we know what it is but aren't quite sure... though it is the money from the Lescott deal... though maybe it's not cos we’re internet forum posters and know it all!

So to summarize....PISH! This whole summer has put me off the Premier League, the likes of City and Chelsea have FM’d (Football Manager) it so much that it's not football anymore — it's the teams with the most money wins! Think I'll taking up watching Walsal — at least they got some passion!

Ian Tod
7   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:36:14

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I believe that, come April/May, we will be in a position where we are challenging the top 6/7 as we have quality to come back into the team, new players to gel with the rest of the squad, and good players to regain their form... but this is not good enough. We needed to be up there with the likes of City and Tottenham... Now!!! — so come the end of the season we could've been challenging the top 4 but once again we’ll have to settle for the Europa League because Moyes is woeful with team selection.
Dan Brierley
8   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:15:41

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Colin, do you think our squad is better than any of the top 4 teams? Honestly?

I do understand the need for aiming high, but I do still adopt some realism. I don’t really see how anybody can truly believe our squad is better than any of the top 4, because on paper it is not. And unfortunately by default, that means that we cannot realistically challenge for those spots. Its no coincidence we have finished 5th twice.

Moyes has not won the LMA award not by playing the best football the league has seen, but by getting average players together, and making them a formidable team when they are fired up and confident. The negative tactics that people keep berating have been the same tactics that have helped us punch above our weight. Keep it compact, be difficult to break down, and fully utilise set pieces. I fully admit that West Brom played a more offensive game than Everton last year, they really went for it in the games that I saw.

As it stands now, we have lost one game in my eyes. I go through the fixture list at the start of the season, and try to make predictions based on history. I would have expected to lose to Arsenal and Fulham, but not to Burnley. And that is not because I am negative, or I don’t want the best for my team. It's just we do not seem to play well at Fulham, for whatever reason.

The recent good finishes have left us craving for further progress. But the step from 5th to 4th, is much bigger in my eyes than 18th to 5th. Without serious investment, it can only be considered a dream as opposed to a serious ambition.

My hopes for this season rested on Fellaini, Vaughan & Saha coming good. I thought with a full pre-season under their belts, they would show us the next level of their game. Unfortunately, it seems no different to last season. The other players are also performing in the same vein if you actually look at their performances, only Baines seems to have dropped a little.

So now I am pinning my hopes on Bily being able to give us another option, and the return of Mikky and Jags giving us the stability and confidence we are so desperately lacking. To get back to where we were, we need to start defending like mad men again.

Michael Brien
9   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:39:46

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Richard : I admire your optimism. However, I’m afraid I can’t share it — I wish that I could. You make the point that we shouldn’t have expected the 3 new guys to all play yesterday. Yes they have to settle in — but Aston Villa had 3 out of their back 4 making their debuts !!!!

Yes it was great to see Yakubu back — but he was only given 10 minutes!!!!

I agree we have a good squad — but can Moyes get the best out of them? I am beginning to find his tactics far too predictable and far too cautious. Yes playing a loan striker has worked well in the past — but if you stick to the same tactics all the time, then sooner or later other coaches/managers will find it easier to counter your tactics. Moyes must be more willing to change tactics and be more imaginative.

Anthony Doran
10   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:50:29

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Can we please re-sign Duncan Ferguson and let the dogs out again!
Phil Martin
11   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:53:47

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Michael Brien, I agree Moyes should be more creative with his tactics. But I don't think anyone could argue Moyes doesn’t get the best out of players. Who rated Arteta, Cahill, Jags, Lescott, Pienaar, before Moyes signed them?
Mac Lloyd
12   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:52:56

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Yeah Michael you’re right Villa had 3 new guys at the back yesterday, The Dunney Monster, Collins and Warnock, all 3 seasoned Premiership players. In other words, completely bloody different to our new batch, so you can’t make the comparison.

Tony Williams
13   Posted 14/09/2009 at 17:01:28

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Away with you Richard, you mad man.
David Holroyd
14   Posted 14/09/2009 at 16:43:51

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Any chance we had of ending in the top 6 is sinking fast. We don't take may points of the big 4 normally... now there is Man City with all their millions. But it is the poor quality of our football, lumping the ball up field all the time.

Now is not the time to start calling Moyes but it has to be said yet again that he is very conservetive when it comes to subs. When Walter Smith was playing 7 defenders, we were all disappointed.. now it's happening again! Keep the ball on the ground, pass and move, keep it simple, play people where they were bought to play.

John Brennan
15   Posted 14/09/2009 at 17:20:34

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I just hope we do well in the Europa Cup because we aren't going to finish 4th, 5th, or 6th this season. We aren't going to be relegated, so let's go for glory in all the cup competitions.
Brian Waring
16   Posted 14/09/2009 at 18:32:20

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2 international players, one with 50 caps for one of the best footballing teams in the world, the other playing for a very good Russian team, and before they get a game, they need to prove themselves first...... ?

Also, how is it that Moyes gets all the plaudits when we are doing well, but when things are shite, it’s not his fault?
Ryan Sloan
17   Posted 14/09/2009 at 18:37:09

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I would surrender the league this year and go all out for the cups...
David O'Keefe
18   Posted 14/09/2009 at 18:40:34

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'Realism' is rapidly losing its meaning and becoming open to all manner of abuse.

When Messers Pearse and Brierley use the word 'realism', it doesn’t mean 'acknowledge reality', it means 'put a positive spin on absolutely everything'.

'Realism' is acknowledging reality, not necessarily accepting it. No wonder the board get away with murder.
David O'Keefe
19   Posted 14/09/2009 at 18:44:51

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By the way, Brierley. This is my realism.

The squad is small, populated with underperformers and racked by injuries. The club has no money. Kirkby is a potential disaster.

The club's season is effectively other thanks to the inability of the club to fund the team. Waiting on Arteta, Jags and Yakubu to return to full fitness is not a plan, it's a forlorn hope; by then it will be too late.
Rupert Sullivan
20   Posted 14/09/2009 at 18:48:16

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Richard, I honestly don’t know why the new players shouldn’t be thrown straight in, I think that there are some quality players in the team too, but when they play like they did on Sunday, then changes are needed — and to my mind, DM should put the new boys in asap and scream at them to play it on the deck!

If DM doesn’t play the new boys (Distin excepted) then the team might as well be the same as last year. Ossie and Hibbert have both played their part, but a little competition may help them to up their game a bit — which won’t happen if DM keeps on playing them regardless.
Fran Burke
21   Posted 14/09/2009 at 07:37:09

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True we've had a shocking bad start to the season but I don't think we need to hit the panic button just yet. Last season we'd an equally bad start. This year the team has been unsettled by the Lescott affair but let's not use that as an excuse. We rarely come flying out of the traps anyway.

Pre-season after pre-season we struggle for form. This year was no different. New players seem to take time to adjust to Moyes and his system, Felli, Yak etc. Once the new lads get used to his way of playing I've confidence Moyes can turn it around. Confidence in the team is lacking at the moment, Arteta's set back is a blow but hopefully Bily and Peanuts can bridge the gap until he's back.

Losing Neville may be a blow as he organises everyone else though it may force us to go 4-4-2 which might open things up a bit.

Let's not hit the panic button yet; In Moyes We Trust.

Ray Burn
22   Posted 14/09/2009 at 19:49:18

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Optimism was somewhat Duffed out of me on Sunday.

I thought when we signed him, Johnny Heitinga seemed a bit of a Phil Neville-alike. Couldn’t really see why some were building him up to be Roberto van Cafu. (Even though I wanted to believe them)

Therefore when he came off the bench to replace Phil Neville it came as no surprise to me that he played an awful lot like Phil Neville.

Not sure signing Nev mk2 represents a significant strengthening of the squad...and I say this as an unashamed optimist and Moyes ’apologist’.

I reckon we go all out for the Europa cup, because any team with pretentions of playing in the Champions League does not get thumped 6-1 by a rival or get outclassed by Burnley and Fulham.
Mike McLean
23   Posted 14/09/2009 at 20:02:06

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Fran, I devoutly hope the new players take forever and a day to get used to playing the Moyes way.
Chris Jones
24   Posted 14/09/2009 at 20:29:53

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I can’t remember a game making me feel so angry as Sunday’s did. Arsenal left me feeling low but at least we were beaten by a decent side. We were in complete control at half-time but then behaved like a Sunday league side losing all shape and composure when they equalised. Why do we lose our heads when a team comes back at us — we look like a boxer on the ropes?

Moyes needs to look in the fuckin mirror and an apology would be a start.
Neil Pearse
25   Posted 14/09/2009 at 20:28:15

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Hey, David O’Keefe! I was at Fulham yesterday and my realism was that — brief patches in the first half apart — we were utter shite. As I wrote yesterday, I am completely against Moyes’s tactics of playing TWO defensive midfielders, and I really don’t understand why Bily didn’t get at least some of a game yesterday. And why Fellaini wasn’t on instead of Neville or Rodwell at the start.

I actually agree with most of what you post. So probably does Dan since his main point as I understood it was to make the (putting a positive spin on everything??) point that our squad is nowhere near the quality of the top four.

Dan says we need "serious investment" to progress. You say our "inability to fund" the team is going to cost us this season. I am happy to agree with both of you. (Realists of the world unite...).

Richard W, however, has I think been on some American happy pills.

David O'Keefe
26   Posted 14/09/2009 at 21:01:47

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Neil, that small, under-performing, injury-ravaged squad has fallen behind many of our mid-table rivals, never mind the top four. This is what Dan will not admit -— at the moment.

This may come as a shock to you, Neil, but I don’t consider you a realist; still, you deserve an award for watching that shite.
Gerry Western
27   Posted 14/09/2009 at 21:19:33

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As much as we might like to make excuses for Moyes — and I do have some sympathies with him, I might add, in respect to the boards failure to back him — there was simply no excuse for yesterday’s debacle.

Let's not kid ourselves, we edged the first half but it was pretty dour stuff. When Fulham got it down in the second half and played it to feet, we simply couldn’t compete. Ironically, we had easily the best central midfielder of either side available to us but forgot to play him.

When Fellaini came on, he needed time to warm up but, when he did, he controlled the ball beautifully and showed some deft touches. We actually had someone who was comfortable holding up the play but also with an eye to a killer pass. Sadly the player who would have benefited most from his presence was the guy who made way for Fellaini himself. I sometimes wonder what on earth Moyes is thinking of. We desperately needed Fellaini dictating things from the middle of the park but instead we were treated to Neville.

We had absolutely no width either and with Fulham having to play a rookie keeper one would have thought we would have been looking to bomb crosses in all day long. Yet we rarely mustered a threat from wide areas, truly shameful. It has to be said that on this occasion Moyes was completely and utterly clueless in his tactical approach to the game.

More worrying, his approach to games is becoming all too familiar as are the personnel he chooses to invest his faith in, regardless of the options available from the bench.

David Moore
28   Posted 14/09/2009 at 22:10:50

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The real question is, who will we play at right back against AEK. Hibbert, Neville and Heitinga are all out. Will it be Gosling or Coleman???
Tom Bowers
29   Posted 14/09/2009 at 22:49:36

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We are all good Evertonians and we all feel the same way —downright appalled by the performances so far... even the Wigan game.

The Fulham game was deja vu of so many games aginst them. In the first 20 minutes I was amazed how many times Duff was allowed time by Baines to curl the ball in with his left foot and more than once Dempsey nearly got something out of it but did Moyes do anything to stop this? No way! And we all know what Duff did later.

This is similar to events that mar Hibbert's game — poor marking and slow reactions. Everton have real problems and they may stay this way for some time even after Arteta, Jags and Yaks plus the new guys get together in the same team. It may be Xmas before it starts to come together and that is a reality. They will have to claw every point they can to keep their heads above the relegation zone.

Everton will continue with the hoofball mentality simply because only one man can really score from distance and he (Rodwell) will now be pushed further back. Yaks will take a few games to regain his best form but may benefit from the strong running of Peanuts — hopefully sooner than later.

Dan Brierley
30   Posted 15/09/2009 at 01:44:49

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David O’Keefe, I still do not believe we have a squad that is behind the perennial mid-table teams such as West Ham and Blackburn. I truly believe that our squad is good enough to challenge for Europe; however, the loss of your three best players would be a tall order in any club’s case.

People keep saying that we are performing very badly this season, and I do agree. But in the last match, were we really worse than most of the back end of last season? I think this position of winning by one goal, or losing by one goal is quite tight. We are obviously on the wrong side of that margin. The difference being, a lack of confidence.

Success is built from the back, and we have gone from Jags and Lescott this time last year to Distin & Yobo. Regardless of their individual qualities, it takes time for any defence to gel and learn each other's game.

I understand this might be interpreted as positive spin, but it is genuinely my opinion. I don’t think we are quite relegation candidates yet.

Colin Potter
31   Posted 15/09/2009 at 09:17:01

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Phil Martin, sorry for the delay, but for £3m a year, how about Gus Hiddink or Dick Advocaat?
Brian Waring
32   Posted 15/09/2009 at 20:39:47

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David, it wouldn’t suprise me if he had Jo at right back.

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