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Does anyone have any idea about winnings from each round of the League Cup through to the final? Is it worth the effort for Premier League clubs, or is that why most of them seem to prefer to allow themselves to be knocked out quickly rather than try and win it?
Better to concentrate on Premier League survival than try to win a trophy — has it now had its day??
Should we now return to the early sixties when the old first division clubs either didn't enter, or were barred from partaking in the competition? (Not sure what the case was).
Could things be spiced up by perhaps seeding the top clubs against the bottom ones, or merging the competition with the FA Cup, and then the winner is guaranteed a place in the Champions League? At least they have won something... just interested in any thoughts, ideas, etc??
John Brennan, Posted 22/09/2009 at 14:40:36
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Back to your first question, not sure round by round but I found this on the Carling website - Do you have details of the prize money involved for winning the Carling Cup?
The prize money is awarded by the Football League - The winners of the Carling Cup win £100,000 and the runners-up £50,000. The losing semi-finalists each take home £25,000.
We received FA for gettin through to the latter stages of the UEFA cup season before last.
League cup finals are ’a good day out for the fans’ but not worth it financially for the clubs.
Anyway. Not about the money for me. It’s the trophy. May be number 4 on the list, but it is better than anything we have won in the last decade.
I agree with the original post in the respect that there could be some scope for changing things around but as long as it carries the possibility of Europe with it, it will always have a place.
Surely the point of entering any competition is to win it. The Honours list in the front of the programme doesn’t list record turnover or transfer fees and it never should. Money may be important, but it’s not why we follow football surely? Otherwise, best head off to Manchester or West London......
Talking of prize money, I seem to believe Everton made in excess of £7M in prize money, gate receipts, TV etc from our run in last year's FA Cup. What the League Cup will be worth to the winning team is another matter!
Prize money may be minimal, but there is the revenue from games, and as others have pointed out, the prestige of getting to Wembley.
The League Cup is the one domestic competition we’ve never one, in all of its guises. For that reason alone I’d like to see us lift it.
Enough of the Sky 4 teams have been in the finals over the last decade to suggest that this "loss of interest" is perhaps something of a misnomer.
It would be nice to get our name on it, at long last. And give the fans another great day at Wembley.
Nostalgia, the romance of the Cup... well, I would take that any time over the current Champions League bullshit we have all been sold. Champions League? Well it ain't what it says on the tin for a start. Not everything in the past was better than today’s era — but one thing that was is that the only way to get into the Champions League/European Cup was by winning the League.
The current format is how basically the rich clubs have got richer. Yes, even in 2004-05, I would rather it had been the Uefa Cup we had qualified for by finishing 4th.
The devaluing of domestic cups such as the League Cup and the FA Cup by the Champions League is one of the things that’s wrong with the game. Am I the only person who is bored stiff of the Champions League group matches? It’s a choice of Moan Utd, Chelski, Gooners, Oslopool... and has been for the last few seasons.
It’s been one of the main ways the rich clubs in Europe have got richer each season. Do you really think that if one of the so-called elite clubs in Europe failed to qualify for the Champions League, they would miss out? UEFA would find some way of bending the rules.
The Americans have a saying:- "If it ain't broke, don’t fix it". The European Cup was a brilliant competition as it was — this Champions League stuff has ruined it and devalued too much domestic football in this country and others.
Unless you win the Premier League, surely the next best thing is winning a trophy. I just want to see us win something! 14 years without a trophy is just way too long!
I want trophies, I couldn’t give a toss about how much you earn from it. I want to win stuff.
Or last trophy was 15 seasons ago.
As the flag said: ’Giz a Cup larr’
Howard
Baines Yobo Distin Heitinga
Billy Rodwell Fellaini Pienaar
Cahill
Saha
Subs: Nash Gosling Neill Osman Wallace Jo Yakubu
However, I do not think we should hold back with our substitutions, especially with Gosling, Wallace and the Yak, as I think they need game time also. I have also chosen Neill over Hibbert as he offers more versatility at the back.
I myself am looking for a big performance and win tonight, to show we are right back in form, and give us the perfect springboard for the game against Porstmouth at the weekend.
With Bily still under a injury cloud, let's stick him on the left and see what he could do. Would love to see a young Everton side out there and being competitive. As an Evertonian seeing a side with Wallace, Gosling, Rodwell and Baxter in it would make me excited about the future.
Moyes will want to win this match. He will probably make several changes but we will have a reasonably strong team out. If this match is not deemed that important to us, it will be even less important for Hull, for whom all that matters is staying in the PL. I would expect us to win.
Does anyone know if tonight’s match is going to be able to view online anywhere? The usual sources don’t appear to indicate as much, and I had real problems even getting radio commentary on the Carling Cup last year- not that I’d have wanted it in the end!
I have never used this site before but its the only one I can find so far. You never know....
But as per the comparison about the fat lass, would we hinder our chances of something better by our involvement ?
We have to make 4th place our mission this season , the Champions league revenue and the prestige for our current and potential players outweighs all other competions.
My team tonight
Nash
Neill Yobo Distin Baines
Gosling Rodwell Heitinga Bily
Osman
Yak
I’d like to see Ossie tried in that role which has been Timmys and Maros recently, game time for others in front of mainly our normal defence, and if Lucas is fit he is better than Hibbo .
If we lose, no mither it could be a blessing later on in the season.
Hibbert, Heitinga, Distin and Baines in defense.
Gosling, Rodwell, Osman, Bilyaletdinov in midfield
And Yakubu and Jo up front.
This should be interesting, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we get off to a slow start while the team learns how to work with eachother.
I think Moyes has made a big statement by resting Pienaar, Fellaini, Cahill, Yobo, and Saha all rested.
Some slow start eh mate!! 3-0 before the half hour!
Any of the 3 teams outside the Premier League, but I have a feeling we're gonna get Man City.
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If the FA cup wasn’t weak enough by comparison to its glorious past, having the winner go through to the CL robs it completely of its point, the trophey itself. But that’s maybe all its worth now anyway. Doubt you could get the top 4, the premier league to agree to that also.
And combining the FA with the LC? Wouldnt that just make it the FA Cup?
I like the idea about the league cups amoung the home nations combining together though... haven’t heared about that in a while.