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Just heard on Sky that Jags was robbed at knifepoint last night at his home in Knutsford. Gutless scum!
Brian Wilding, Posted 24/09/2009 at 14:02:52
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Did Jags have his family in the house? Must have been a scary thing for him.
PD: Where’s the perp?
Me: Where he fell.
PD: Good grouping! Nice work.
twat.
So I was making comment on the well-worn words (gutless and as expected cowardly came through as well) being used in a situation like this which allow the law abiding, crime fearing 99.99% of us feel safe within our moral judgement.
Still, can’t expect all people understand the subtext and avoid the obvious.
Bottom line, if someone told you that you had to pull a stunt like that and you were sufficiently dim or foolish to try it around my neighborhood, there’s a large chance you’ll be taken out of the premises in a bag. As the French say, it does wonders for "the encouragement of others."
Best of luck to you folks in the UK. It really gets to me when I read about stuff like this. The Sean Taylor tragedy here in the US shows the kind of vulnerability these gifted young men with money are subject to. The thugs who victimize them tend to be even more stupid than they are evil.
You’re sounding like the typical American moron. Try that over in the States??? What, people don’t get robbed or killed in their own homes in the States? Reallly? Have you checked the crime statistics recently?
And what would happen in your house? Do you carry a gun around with you while sitting in your chair watching a football match? Because if not, if you keep your gun in a safe location like a grown man with kids is supposed to do, then when this armed, organized gang broke into your house and held you at knife point you’d be just as helpless as the next guy. But you go on talking big tough guy.
Obviously Nick didn’t condone what happened, he just said it was (and I’ll use my own term here) "ballsy" to break into a professional athlete’s home, while he’s there, with just a knife. No one is saying it was something to be admired.
And Rezzie, quit being the American stereotype.
So either
a. Jags has a private feed or
b. we can time the robbery to the specific few minutes in the highlight programme or
c. it was just lousy journalism to make it sound better.
Perhaps I should have put this as a poll!
Rezzie, your argument only proves me right. I certainly would expect to leave in a bag and as such I’d require all my bravery, with a load of foolishness frown in to do it.
Bravery is also used by assholes to do stupid deeds, it is not specific to heroes... but well worn journalistic phrasing would have us think so.
And for this I get called a twat!
Phil Roberts - thats exactly what I was going to say.
My guess it’s lazy journalism as that match was not shown live anywhere.
Unless of course they meant he was watching the highlights!
First — "typical American moron". Gracious, who is stereotyping now? Nice. You don’t know me, but I now know much more about you.
Second — Nick, your last post is the very soul of wisdom.
Third — simply, some do believe that an armed society is a polite society, even for those who are not armed. My experience has shown that to be true. I’m sorry you find this an illegitimate expression of a common opinion in these parts. Good people can disagree without recourse to insults.
Jags is alive and well, and is a fine character in each and every way, from all reports. Poor Sean Taylor is long dead now, and was on the edge of the thug life for most of his days. Both are/were amazingly gifted athletes, and neither deserved the criminal trespass inflicted on them. We believe what we believe, and we all love the blues.
To quote another famous American, "Can’t we all just get along?"
"Nick, your last post is the very soul of wisdom."
First up, you’ve mastered the concept of irony, and for an American, well done. Nice of you to avoid everything I’ve made a point of putting forth and dismissing it with that crap.
You’d think Americans would have an understanding on how language and words in particular control thoughts, but then it's the most unquestioning of societies so it's Mission Accomplished by those who own and control it.
I love your I’m Right, You’re Wrong statements and then end by saying can’t we all just get along... so long as its with your views huh?
Own a gun and all of a sudden your opinion cannot be questioned.
I’ve spent the last 28 years of my life in the good ole US of A, so um, I’ve spent a little bit of time here and my Father is Cherokee Native American. I’m an American citizen, so don’t tell me what I can say about the USA.
This fabulous country is protesting the idea of getting health care for all, they’re protesting in favor of multi-billion dollar corporations who want to deny their medical payments in order to make a bigger profit. And they are showing up at Presidential Town Halls with guns. Add to that the fact that Americans voted George W Bush into office twice and tens of millions voted for Sarah Palin to be Vice President despite the fact that she didn’t actually know what the Vice President does.
It is actually almost impossible to find any ammunition in gun stores right now because of all the right-wing lunatics who think Obama is a Muslim intruder who wants to turn America into a communist fascist state, who is a black Nazi... I mean, a communist fascist?? That’s not even possible.
So when I speak of Americans and here Rezzie with his comment of "try that in my country", this is the type of American that comes to mind. So you are right, I should not have said typical American. What I should have said is he sounds just like, I don’t know, about 40% of Americans. Unfortunately that 40% is far more vocal than the other 60%.
Loving the American navel-gazing going on. Particularly the idea that the mark of a polite society is one that can shoot anyone who is rude.
Decades of murder rates that soar above European levels (until you exclude gun-related killings, at which point the murder rates are fairly similar) and people still can’t accept that lax gun laws might be problematic.
Nick, there were THREE men who burst into Jags’ house, one or more were armed.
THIS IS NOT BRAVE AND IF YOU OR I WERE TO DO THIS WITH YOUR MATES (3 ON 1), YOU WOULD FANCY YOUR CHANCES.
You make the stupid comment, live by it. IT IS NOT BRAVE. It is the act of a coward to use a weapon, end of story!
My best wishes are with you the Jagieka Family.
"Nick, your last post is the very soul of wisdom."
First up, you’ve mastered the concept of irony, and for an American, well done. Nice of you to avoid everything I’ve made a point of putting forth and dismissing it with that crap.
Nicely done yourself with pulling the ’crap’ rejoinder out of the hat as well, Nick. However, there wasn’t a bit of irony involved. You make a point in that post, Nick. You deserve the respect of a well-reasoned response, as does any blue. Here’s mine, after a day to reflect.
First, apologies to the audience for the flip nature of the first post - it was inappropriate. I don’t apologize for my position, just the tone. We are speaking of matters of life and death, not football.
You make a point, Nick - here’s what I see. The problem is the nature of the qualifier of ’gutless’ and ’cowardly’ vs. the concept of ’bravery’ and ’courage’ - the first set are bad and the second set are associated with virtue. The feral thug lying dead on the kitchen floor is a human being too, and his passing is a tragedy. Before he makes his fatal decision to invade my residence, he should be fully aware that his life is indeed on the line.
I have not always held that position, but my personal experience has led to my development of it. I do not get some hot rush of power from taking the responsibility of offering this line of defense for myself and my loved ones. It is a burden, a pain in the ass sometimes, and it is not lightly taken. It is legal in this jurisdiction, therefore, I opt to protect myself and my loved ones, and they have done the same independently.
Were it not legal, I would of course not break the law, and I would not do so. Owning, maintaining, and handling lethal weapons safely, for myself and my family’s sake, is no small matter, and their presence informs my life in large and small ways. I simply decided not to be the guy they draw the chalk outline around when the authorities finally show up.
I repeat hopefully my position that it is possible for reasonable people to agree to disagree and move on. I’m not going to change your mind, and you’re not going to change mine. However, it is a good thing to reach an understanding of the reasoning behind my position as well as yours.
Why does the press, and why do we, go to gutless and cowardly as a description? These thugs see themselves as warriors and heroes for the evil that they do. No doubt there is a better description — perhaps amoral or predatory, but hardly gutless. They’re not going to break into your house and set to work dispatching the residents by Marquess of Queensbury rules, to be sure.
Best wishes to Jags and his family, and I hope this tragic incident will not affect them any more deeply than it already has.
Slag away if you will, gents - I’m a grown man and I can take it. I stand by my thoughts, but I will not resort to ad hominems to do so.
With that, COYB! Let's stick it to Pompey and take care of business — this shapes up as a classic trap game. I trust Davey will have them ready.
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1 Posted 24/09/2009 at 17:27:38
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Must be a terrible thing though to have your home invaded that way.