Can I still hate Emlyn Hughes and Phil Thompson?
Also, when I hear that song I want to bang my head against a brick wall... perhaps there’s something wrong with me... but I dont think so.

David
I never feel embarrassed for telling the truth and can never ever forgive the repercussions of their mudrering actions on totally innocent Clubs - they alone shoudl have been banned for a lengthy period.
Thye are club without class, totally self-centred arrogant bastards each and every one. I hate them with a passion collectively and individually.
Not once have I heard anyone from the red-shite apologise for their actions in Heysel that night - not once but we are all expected to mourn the 96 forever. Well not this guy and I refused to partake in any Hillsborough observations until they ackowledge their share of the blame for Heysel.
We would all love a signed Duncan shirt but not if it makes me start to think like this - I would rather tear it to shreds

There was an article in WSAG I read in relation to that idiot Kevin Sampson who was a Tranmere fan but seems to be a red. He claimed Liverpool where the real victims of Heysel and it also told the story of a certain piece of music in relation to that sad day and the attitude that was taken towards it.
It is such comments and attitudes like that that fuel all the hatred that is felt towards them.
Carragher slaughters Blues supporters about those boring chants to his mate StevieGla but says nothing of the abuse to Carsley and Neville regarding their little children, we are bitter but no more than them, that week of the champions league and FA cup finals last year showed they are maybe worse.

Liverpool - the real victims of Heysel?Aww doesn’t it make you want to give them a big hug - round the neck.

Arrogant self-centred bastards

David, I cannot understand, why you have come on this site expecting Blues to even support the thought of mending bridges between the two clubs.
I am not going to spend time and effort, in reminding you of the reasons for the divide between us and redside.
I do not know how far you can go back, but its certainly further back than Heysel, that the animosity began.

Personally speaking any dislike I have for Liverpool doesn’t come from Heysel, or the implications after it, as I was too young to really take on board what was happening at that time.

Up until a few years ago I could honestly say I didn’t really dislike Liverpool at all. Sure, I wanted them to lose every week, just as I wanted us to win, mainly because it gave great ammunition for banter with my Liverpool supporting mates. However, that changed when a certain Mr Benitez brought his smug face grin over from Spain.

I cannot abide that man. He has truly treated us like shite on the bottom of his shoe. Calling us a small club (more than once I hasten to add), comparing us to a Spanish fourth division team and then slaughtering our fans for abusing Gerrard by chanting "There’s only one Callum Best" whilst ignoring the actions of his own supporters. From memory that was the derby when Neville and Carsley were abused about their small children’s disabilities and Neville was punched and spat on when taking a throw in. Selective hearing at it’s worst, but the media lapped it up.

After Cahill equalised late on in the derby at Anfield last season he gave an interview afterwards when he described Liverpool as a great club and said he didn’t want to disrespect their fans by doing his usual goal celebration by the corner flag. At the time I remember thinking "steady on Tim" but compare that, and Moyes’ dignified response to Benitez’s baiting following the cup game less than a week later.

For me it’s quite simple. As soon as the class and dignity Cahill and Moyes showed on those occassions is matched by those across the park, then I’ll stop hating, or even disliking Liverpool.

I cannot understand this hatred between the clubs. 25 yrs ago i was taken to a Glasgow derby by my Scottish mate and was amazed by the anger between the two clubs. I took him to a Merseyside derby a few months later and explained i was picking up two other lads as they had got the tickets and would share the travel costs.His look of shock when these lads got in the car wearing their Redshite gear was fantastic, and when we got into the ground it was a sea of red and blue all mixed in.
I grew up Maghull way and as a kid would go to all our home games and would often watch Liverpool if we where away.I simply went to watch the footy with me mates.
Dont get me wrong i love all the banter and slag off Ladyboy Torres and the Fat Waiter , but hate them ? or the fans ? no chance. my sons one .If i hate anything about Liverpool it’s the way the media treat them and the way they get preferential treatment by the games governing bodies.
I’m an Everton fan not a Liverpool hater.

"I have personally seen him away from football and know what a great guy he is.’

Me too, on CCTV twatting some fella, but only after his equally shithouse mate had elbowed him in the face, what a great ’guy’.

As one of the posters has already mentioned he has no class whatsoever.

I base my hatred of Gerrard due to his actions on the pitch. Where as I can appreciate his talent, he is a cheat, a big mouthy ref chasing cheat.
Is he a nice guy off the pitch? Most people are. They’re not Hitler. Well, in fact Hitler was socially a very nice guy, so you see my point.

As for Hysel, at the anniversarie C4 had a great documentary much better than the linnea tale of the BBCs attempt. They put the root cause of the trouble at the foot of Juventus, and the reprecussions came back to them. Still, there’s no acknowledgement to the deaths caused by Liverpool fans that comes close to 0.0001% of the effort put into righting the wrongs and commemoration of the events 4 years later.

Didn’t UEFA officials describe them as the worst behaved fans in Europe. I might add, that conclusion was not solely reached on their behavior at Heysel alone. Heysel is not the only occasion on which they’ve blotted their copy book. They are the most arrogant bunch of tossers your likely to find at any club in the premier league.

The truth is they are reviled by club supporters up and down the country. As for Stevie G being a great guy he’s right up there with Ronaldo and Rooney in the diving stakes and do any of us really need reminding of what an amiable guy he can be when out celebrating a victory with his mates.

Liverpool fans just can’t see it when they go on about Utd...’media darlings, FA favourites, biased refereeing, overtime goals, arrogant, classless, lucky money-spending bastards, think they own the game’ etc
Every remark they make against Utd I’ve heard against Liverpool
From purple hearts (ask your dad) to 6 times (my arse) they have shown no class, humility or respect for others
All fur coat and no knickers, with their maudlin, faux-local fans and their funereal dirge of a song

They make out they’re a local, community club - they are a ruthless business
The ’Dears of Kemlyn Rd’ were spot on: "the sooner they’re back in Division 2 where they belong, the better"


God, they give Scousers a bad name!
Mind you, their use of English is a credit to the Norwegian educational system
Pheww, feel better for that - can we win 4 in 10 days? go for it, COYB!

My dislike intensified after Liverpool won the CL, and I found to my dismay that my support of them at that final was thrown right back in my face. It wasn’t ever acknowledged that many Evertonians decided to put the rivalry behind them, and wish the RS well just for that day. Rather, as soon as they lifted that trophy they became impossible and breathtakingly arrogant. They even tried to steal our CL place despite the fact they hadn’t qualified.

I also think the hatred between us has been intensified in the post-Benitez era. We might have disliked each other before, but there was normally some respect between the two clubs. Often it seemed that we were in it together. This was not just about the separate teams, but was about Liverpool the city. Benitez seemed to fail to understand that, and almost at once set about destroying the relationship. A lot of people seem to hate individual Liverpool players. I honestly don’t, but I do dislike the manager. He’s a contemptible, little prick and too many Liverpool fans have taken his lead in their attitude to us.

Lastly, the attitude to Hillsbrough really annoys me. It became Princess Dianaesque in its inappropriateness last season. It really
did make me sick to see and hear the twisted outpourings of faux-grief from a huge proportion of the RS support. It was made all the worse because, as mentioned above, these same people have completely ignored the Heysal situation. They effectively put two fingers up to the families of the dead that are in Italy, while at the same time they attempt to bully the footballing world into following their pathetic crocodile tears over Hillsbrough.

BUT, in saying that, I think we do ourselves a diservice when we chant "murderers" and the like. If only for respect of those that lost loved ones in Belgium, we shouldn’t stoop that low. It makes us as bad as them.

Anyway, sod ’em.

Fuck them ,murdering cunts

Let me start this by saying that I’m definitely an Everton fan rather than a Liverpool hater. I may get some abuse from people for being bitter but you know what? I really don’t care. Everton Football Club is my biggest love outside my family. My Grandad and Dad before me are all Evertonians.

My first game was against Sunderland when I was seven and we all went together as a family. Me, Dad, Grandad and my two elder Brothers, all sat (well stood really) in the Lower Gwladys. My Dad showed me the beam he used to climb up when he was a young lad watching Big Bob Latchford score for fun... and he told me all about the Bayern Munich game and the resulting final in Rotterdam.

I can honestly say that EVERY time I return to Goodison, the feeling of pride never leaves me. Whether we’re playing Liverpool or Wigan, the hairs on the back of my neck are guaranteed to stand up as I belt out a verse of “If you know your History”.

Am I bitter? Damn right I’m bitter. I guess it comes from knowing so much about the past and listening to all the stories from my Dad of how Everton were about to dominate Europe for the next few years but never got the chance thanks to those bastards across the park. Every time I hear the “We won it 5 times" chant, I feel a great urge to shout that we would have if it wasn’t for you.

Liverpool’s attitude towards us has changed as a result of our increasing threat. We are a challenge to them and they don’t like a challenge. Last years FA Cup final was my first ever final as an Evertonian (I was 11 months old in 1995) and I can tell you know I was hard pushed to find a Liverpool fan who wanted us to win, because we are now a threat to their superiority. We’re no longer the happy Merseyside rivals who no-one outside of Liverpool really cares about, and they don’t like that.

But it’s not just that. The behaviour of their “fans” at the Derby has changed. Would you ever catch an Everton fan spitting at a Liverpool player taking a throw in? I doubt it. And the horrible cunt never had the balls to spit in Neville’s face; he had to do it when his back was turned.

I’ll admit that I have sung the “The baby's not yours" chant. I don’t want to make excuses here but in the heat of the moment I got carried away. However, for the Fat Spanish Waiter to conveniently not hear the Liverpool fans chant about Carsley and Neville’s kids really infuriated me.

Add to this the fact that in the paper today Gerrard was talking about his “tackle” on Gary Naysmith and Rooney’s reaction after it. Tackle... he tried to break Naysmith’s fucking leg!!! And the goal that went in off Hutchinson’s arse in the last minute at Anfield that Graham Poll disallowed because he blew his whistle... and we all know about a certain Mr Clattenburg the other year and his part in screwing us over.

That makes me sound incredibly bitter... but I don’t care. We qualify for the Champions League and, so they don’t get on Liverpool’s bad side, Uefa change the rules to let them back in the competition. The list of reasons to hate Liverpool goes on. I love Everton Football Club. Everything about it.

I love Everton more than I hate Liverpool, of course I do. But I do hate Liverpool and I’m pretty sure nothing will change that.

Bitter? You bet I am.

Andy Codling, the voice of reason and compassion.....

(Well said, that man!)

David, although I haven’t read the book (and have no interest in doing so), I am led to believe that Carragher claims the bad feeling between the two clubs was caused by Everton, and that the majority of vile chanting/abusive behaviour has come from Everton, their players and supporters. Feel free to correct that, but it was a Liverpool fan at work who told me this when we were discussing football.

It seems fairly obvious to me that Carragher was referring to chants such as ’murderers’ and those directed at Gerrard & perhaps Torres recently also. Yet the fool conveniently forgets the desecration of Dixie, the taunting of Lescott for his scar-ridden face, as well as many other incidents, many of which have been covered.

I have no particular beef with any particular Liverpool fan (hell, my wife’s one), especially those that go the game. Ditto any particular player. I even have a great deal of respect and admiration for the quality of players like Benayoun, Torres & Gerrard. The only problem with any Liverpool player is that they are automatically a shithouse in my book just for playing for the team, and being managed by one of the biggest shithouses I have ever known.

Liverpool as an entity though, I despise. I despise their very existence, which came about through greed. I despise the luck they have enjoyed to come from nobodies to one of English football’s most successful teams. I despise their part in Heysel, and the effects thereafter. I despise the whole Michael Shields affair — guilty or not guilty, not one single Liverpool representative, to my mind, has urged justice for the Bulgarian waiter who was permanently injured by, admittedly, one of the minority, and yet gave a heroes welcome to a man who is still guilty of the offence in the eyes of Bulgarian law.

So David, I won’t be singing that shower of shit anytime soon, I won’t be reigning in the murderers chant, I won’t be giving Stevie G Laa some slack cos he does some nice things now and again, nor Carragher cos he used to be a Blue, and I will continue to be embarrassed that we allowed the existence of this shower of pricks.

Oh, and just to reiterate, I love Everton.