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Has anyone caught what Segundo Castillo has been like at Wolves.
Did we do the right thing by not signing him full-time or did we make a mistake?
Doug Walters, Posted 29/09/2009 at 01:50:56
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He is worse than Claus Thompsen.
He gave away the penalty on Sunday.
Peter and Anthony.
The only reason we did not sign him is that Red Star Belgrade (or whatever they call themselves these days) wanted £4.5m for him. As we had no money till we sold Lescott and he had only done a steady job overall, Moyes decided it was too much money.
He played a blinder at Chelsea in April and muzzled Lampard — something that would have been handy at Wembley a month later — and never let us down. The rest of the squad said he was a pleasure to have around with his happy nature.
In answer to Doug’s question, he’s done ok. Played well when they beat Fulham and had a very dubious penalty give against him at Sunderland. Probably not a player to take us into the Top 4, but not deserving of the comments above either.
The only reason we did not sign him is that Red Star Belgrade (or whatever they call themselves these days) wanted £4.5m for him. As we had no money till we sold Lescott and he had only done a steady job overall, Moyes decided it was too much money.
He played a blinder at Chelsea in April and muzzled Lampard — something that would have been handy at Wembley a month later — and never let us down. The rest of the squad said he was a pleasure to have around with his happy nature.
In answer to Doug’s question, he’s done ok. Played well when they beat Fulham and had a very dubious penalty give against him at Sunderland. Probably not a player to take us into the Top 4, but not deserving of the comments above either.
Karl Masters
Funny how there was money to agree a deal for Kyle Naughton before we sold Lescott.
The truth is that Moyes didn’t rate Castillo highly enough to sign him permanently.
Thats also why he hardly played last season.
Funny how there was money to agree a deal for Kyle Naughton before we sold Lescott.
The truth is that Moyes didn’t rate Castillo highly enough to sign him permanently.
Thats also why he hardly played last season.
Even Blackburn Rovers rejected him whilst he was on a trial there before we signed him on loan. Just another bog standard foriegner plying his trade in the Premier League...
To be honest, I didn't think he was that bad, but he certainly wasn’t good enough to take us forward.
I live in West Mids and hearing Wolves fans they say he is ok and will be in and out of the side. From that basis, not good enough for us!
I live in West Mids and hearing Wolves fans they say he is ok and will be in and out of the side. From that basis, not good enough for us!
Dick
Maybe Sheffield United renegued on that deal because the money was to be paid in small installments over a long period of time with a very small deposit (a la the Robbie Savage debacle — we’ve been paying like this for a while now). I suspect Spurs offered them payment far more quickly with a bigger deposit.
I’m sure we never offered £6m in one go, but the Serbians who were selling Castillo may well have wanted all or most of the money up front — like Rennes did with M’bia and Sporting Lisbon did with Moutinho. That is why the overall fee for Fellaini from Liege is so big and why they rejected our offer for Defour.
’The Everton Way’ is not appreciated by foreign clubs trying to sell players at over-inflated prices to the Premier League!
Maybe Sheffield United renegued on that deal because the money was to be paid in small installments over a long period of time with a very small deposit (a la the Robbie Savage debacle — we’ve been paying like this for a while now). I suspect Spurs offered them payment far more quickly with a bigger deposit.
I’m sure we never offered £6m in one go, but the Serbians who were selling Castillo may well have wanted all or most of the money up front — like Rennes did with M’bia and Sporting Lisbon did with Moutinho. That is why the overall fee for Fellaini from Liege is so big and why they rejected our offer for Defour.
’The Everton Way’ is not appreciated by foreign clubs trying to sell players at over-inflated prices to the Premier League!
To be fair, Karl, the guy looked like he’d never played football before.
...but he did make The Wardrobe look like a bedside cabinet.
He wasn’t good enough, simple as that. If he couldn’t get a regular place in the side last year, even after Arteta got injured, he obviously wasn’t deemed good enough by Moyes. Rodwell is playing in that role week-in, week-out and I know who I would prefer.
Karl, the guy is woeful.
Karl, you simply can not be serious stating that the only reason we did not but Castillo was because he would cost £4.5 million. Perhaps the fact he is utterly useless may be an alternative reason
He was rubbish, simple as that. He had one great game against Chelsea.
I remember the Cup game at Anfield and to me he looked like a radio DJ playing in one of those charity games you see involving ex pros, chasing shadows and looking lost.
Makes me laugh really, how otherwise knowledgable Evertonians criticise players on no real basis whatsoever. It’s the same now with Heitinga and (unbelievably) Bilyaletdinov, who are drawing criticism.
Castillo never had a run in our side, given that we had a very solid midfield last year — featuring our brand new club record signing, an increasingly influential South African with braided hair, a tenacious Aussie and a flamboyant Spaniard (until an unfortunate injury.)
Oh, and Osman was there too.
Castillo, coming in from Belgrade, where he arrived from South America, was always going to take time to settle or indeed break into the team given our form and the "Moyes Boys" selection policy.
He’s started very well for Wolves. He has (sorry, "had") a burgeoning reputation in South America.
You can’t just call a player "shite" simply because he doesn’t break into the fifth best side in the Premier League, managed by a guy who likes his squad "a certain way".
Castillo never had a run in our side, given that we had a very solid midfield last year — featuring our brand new club record signing, an increasingly influential South African with braided hair, a tenacious Aussie and a flamboyant Spaniard (until an unfortunate injury.)
Oh, and Osman was there too.
Castillo, coming in from Belgrade, where he arrived from South America, was always going to take time to settle or indeed break into the team given our form and the "Moyes Boys" selection policy.
He’s started very well for Wolves. He has (sorry, "had") a burgeoning reputation in South America.
You can’t just call a player "shite" simply because he doesn’t break into the fifth best side in the Premier League, managed by a guy who likes his squad "a certain way".
At last the voice of reason speaks, Lee Kidd. Paul and Peter, Castillo was not woeful, utterly useless or rubbish. He had a few decent games, some poor, probably struggled adjusting to the the pace of a new league and language and country. Give the guy a break, good enough to be a squad player for us. We just couldn’t afford the £4.5 million.
Just read some posts from Wolves fans on a forum of theirs. Plenty of them gave Segundo MotM for the first half in Sundays game. Comments like excellent, solid etc etc, he pulled his hamstring so went off. He was unlucky with the pen he conceded and they seem made up with him.
The Daily Star had Castillo down as their shocker performer during the Sunderland game. As for me, I just don't think he was good enough. Lots of people’s memory of him is the 1 very good game he had v Chelsea; my memory is him breaking the record for most passes out for a throw-in v Liverpool in the FA Cup game at Anfield. We’ve moved on from the likes of Castillo; we need top quality and he’s not... which is why he’s at Wolves.
Seemed a good pro, but quite simply, not good enough. I don’t think it was ever a question of not being able to afford him, more a question of £4½M being far too much to pay.
I wish him the best at Wolves, and he was very unfortunate to concede the pen on Sunday, but as others have stated, the fact he’s playing for Wolves should tell most of us that he was never good enough to play for a club with European aspirations.
I wish him the best at Wolves, and he was very unfortunate to concede the pen on Sunday, but as others have stated, the fact he’s playing for Wolves should tell most of us that he was never good enough to play for a club with European aspirations.
Four and half million for someone to sit on the bench? That sounds like a great deal....
I don’t think anyone here is saying Castillo could have been a world beater, just simply that he was not as bad as some on here say. He was not the Carsley type player is build suggested. He was however solid and when on his game he could break up play and keep it simple and not give the ball away. Admittedly, he a few bad games when it seemed every pass went astray.
As for the we couldn’t afford him comments. What they are simply saying is that with the funds we had available signing Castillo was well down on our list of priorities, particularly for £4.5m. Hence, the comment that we could not afford him.
He was not as bad as Claus Thomsen, he was average at best and if hh had been avaiable for free then he would have been worth another year. £4.5m was simply too much, for a skint club like us.
As for the we couldn’t afford him comments. What they are simply saying is that with the funds we had available signing Castillo was well down on our list of priorities, particularly for £4.5m. Hence, the comment that we could not afford him.
He was not as bad as Claus Thomsen, he was average at best and if hh had been avaiable for free then he would have been worth another year. £4.5m was simply too much, for a skint club like us.
£4.5m was simply too much — regardless of us being skint or otherwise. He was brought in as the defensive midfielder but it turned out he was not as effective as either Neville or Rodwell.
No one else paid £4.5m for him - so it's not just a matter of Everton being skint. He is not worth that kind of money. Also do not forget that wages over a 3 -4 year contract will generally exceed the transfer fee paid (£20,000 a week equals roughly £1 million per year). This is big money given that Everton’s total revenue in a year is around £100m.
We are better off keeping our powder dry for better opportunities and my understanding is that Moyes let him go at the beginning of the summer as he clearly did not add anything to our squad — although I am pleased for the boy if he makes a difference at Wolves.
No one else paid £4.5m for him - so it's not just a matter of Everton being skint. He is not worth that kind of money. Also do not forget that wages over a 3 -4 year contract will generally exceed the transfer fee paid (£20,000 a week equals roughly £1 million per year). This is big money given that Everton’s total revenue in a year is around £100m.
We are better off keeping our powder dry for better opportunities and my understanding is that Moyes let him go at the beginning of the summer as he clearly did not add anything to our squad — although I am pleased for the boy if he makes a difference at Wolves.
Moyes probably just looked at it and had two choices.
1. Pay near on £5 million for an-average-at-best midfielder.
2. Play Jack Rodwell in midfield instead.
1. Pay near on £5 million for an-average-at-best midfielder.
2. Play Jack Rodwell in midfield instead.
I base my opinion on what I saw of him and it was patently obvious that he was awful, one of worst players I’ve ever seen.
James Tunstead — you're obviously an idiot if you seriously believe he good enough for a squad player for us. Lee Kidd - Comments like he has a burgeoning reputation in South America — how the hell do you know? Sounds like you’re just making stuff up to try and back up your opinion.
Talking about the sunderland v wolves game people are going on about, he was harshly judged to give away a penalty but I watched the entire match and he was pants. I don’t know where these comments about him being man of the match are coming from — he is a so-called defensive midfielder and Sunderland ran riot.
Do you guys actually base your opinions on players' ability or whether you think they’re a nice guy or not ? The fact he tried, had a smile on his face, never moaned and people say they liked him doesn’t affect his ability as a player... to which he was total garbage.
He wasn’t a terrible player overall but his passing and awareness was dreadful. You can put the awareness down to settling into the pace and style of a new league but his inability to find and execute a simple pass was a really basic indication that he could never be more than what he appeared to be.
A big strong disciplined athlete who played exactly where he was told to play. No doubt he would have come in handy from time to time but he was never going to move us forward (figuratively or literally).
A big strong disciplined athlete who played exactly where he was told to play. No doubt he would have come in handy from time to time but he was never going to move us forward (figuratively or literally).
Basically some fans will champion any players who Moyes decides not to sign.
Manuel Fernandes and Matteo Ferrari are another two examples.
Manuel Fernandes and Matteo Ferrari are another two examples.
We never saw much of Segundo Castillo so we can't judge on how good or bad he was. Truly though he can't be and is not as bad as Osman or on certain days Hibbert. As for Neville, I'd rather we’d wasted our cash on Segundo.
Maybe the problem is what people class as a terrible/awful/crap player. I am a crap player. Castillo is like a footballing God compared to me, but is poor compared to Pele.
I actually think he is good enough to be a squad player for a bottom third premier league team, which puts him in the top 2 or 3 percent of people who play football regularly.
However he is not good enough for Everton.
Maybe if people put more effort into their posts instead of "We did the right thing as he’s crap." we wouldn’t have so many slanging matches.
Sorry Peter, wasn’t singling you out as such, yours was just first.
I actually think he is good enough to be a squad player for a bottom third premier league team, which puts him in the top 2 or 3 percent of people who play football regularly.
However he is not good enough for Everton.
Maybe if people put more effort into their posts instead of "We did the right thing as he’s crap." we wouldn’t have so many slanging matches.
Sorry Peter, wasn’t singling you out as such, yours was just first.
Fair point, Steve - just that I thought the question about whether we did the right thing not keeping him was a stupid question as clearly he was not good enough for us, although others I am shocked have a different view.
Oh by the way, I’m not the best at football either but I’m like Pele to Castillo...
Dick;
Moyes didn’t "decide" not to sign Fernandes, he decided not to sign for us. And he is a good player.
Ferrari has been alright in recent years too, and would have done a job for us over the years.
Whereas Ibrahim Said and Omar Daley were utter donkeys, which every fan would agree with.
I think some fans would rather call a spade a spade and say when they believe Moyes gets it wrong, rather than blindly cheering everything he does. In the case of Castillo, nobody is saying he’s a definite world beater - but it’s equally ridiculous to state he’s utter shite.
Moyes didn’t "decide" not to sign Fernandes, he decided not to sign for us. And he is a good player.
Ferrari has been alright in recent years too, and would have done a job for us over the years.
Whereas Ibrahim Said and Omar Daley were utter donkeys, which every fan would agree with.
I think some fans would rather call a spade a spade and say when they believe Moyes gets it wrong, rather than blindly cheering everything he does. In the case of Castillo, nobody is saying he’s a definite world beater - but it’s equally ridiculous to state he’s utter shite.
James Tunstead, I saw enough of him (Blackburn away anyone) to warrant my judgement, he was a headless chicken and no matter what people say Moyes is not stupid, he saw him everyday and very rarely has he got it wrong on players he has released.
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