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Well, what can I say, £300 million of debt, second in the Premier League, circa £200 million on players in, over 70 in total, top of the ridiculous Facebook league, darlings of the media "and what do you get" — A chance to play Everton in the second rate Europa League.
I really hope that ends up being the case.
What does it really say about having all the money they have had and the chasing of rainbows when you can spend not a lot, get no real recognition for anything you achieve, have no real future (pessimists only), it says nothing other than not everything is doom and gloom at our wonderful club and how much worse it would look if we had invested what they have to achieve basically the same.
COYB.
Paul Niklas, Posted 04/11/2009 at 18:52:18
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When the Shite get dumped into the Europa league, what are the chances of us playing them in the next round? Does anybody know the seeding procedure?
The Shite ain’t out of the CL yet and we haven’t exactly qualified for the next round either. Let’s not count the chickens.
Should we qualify for the next round and beyond, then in addition to teams like Ajax, Valencia, Roma, dare I say Benfica, PSV and Werder Bremen, we may have to face, based on current positions in the CL, the unmentionables, Bayern Munich, CSKA Moscow, Marseille, Athletic Madrid, Barcelona, and Standard Liege to name but a few.
I wish we would tank the lot of them, but right now, based on recent form, my confidence is not that high.
I wish we would tank the lot of them, but right now, based on recent form, my confidence is not that high.
Keeping my fingers crossed that RS get knocked out of the CL, then meet us in the next round of the Europa league, and we kick them out of that as well.
For the last 32 of the Europa League clubs from the same countries cannot be drawn together. From the last 16 onwards there is a completely open draw so that is the first time there could be a potential derby meeting. In the last 32 the teams are split as follows:
Seeded clubs are the 12 EL group winners and the 4 best CL third placed teams.
Unseeded clubs are the 12 EL group runners-up and the 4 worst CL third placed teams.
In addition, in ther last 32 you can’t play a team from the same EL group so we’d avoid Benfica/AEK/BATE at that stage.
Seeded clubs are the 12 EL group winners and the 4 best CL third placed teams.
Unseeded clubs are the 12 EL group runners-up and the 4 worst CL third placed teams.
In addition, in ther last 32 you can’t play a team from the same EL group so we’d avoid Benfica/AEK/BATE at that stage.
I thought this was Toffeeweb and not kopiteweb... I can understand people talking about the RS in a conversation but to have it as a thread I find odd. We need to sort out or own house before taking the piss out of others... Saying that it's not even certain they will even finish 3rd... they are closer to 4th than 2nd :)
Two games still to play. Don’t get too excited, they pulled off this kind of stunt before.
"We don't care what the redshite say..."
obviously some people do!
I’m much more concerned with our form and chances than theirs!
The only interest I have in them is that I hope Benitez continues to knacker the best striker in the league up to the derby. Without him on form we will have a good chance of a result, given that we are missing his master, Jags.
obviously some people do!
I’m much more concerned with our form and chances than theirs!
The only interest I have in them is that I hope Benitez continues to knacker the best striker in the league up to the derby. Without him on form we will have a good chance of a result, given that we are missing his master, Jags.
I would always tend to avoid schadenfreude whenever we are much more in the shit....
Anyone else seen this;
Blue Bill meets a potential investor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NYzWyHRaZA
Blue Bill meets a potential investor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NYzWyHRaZA
Stephen Graham, Small point, but needs to be noted. It’s Atletico, or if you wanna be really pedantic, Atlético, and not Athletic Madrid.
Its full name is Atlético de [from] Madrid. I used to live near their ground — Great club.
How do you like it when the Dutch or Greeks call us "Everton Liverpool"? Eek!
Another club from Spain is the Bilbao-based Athletic Club. They use the English word. As do by the way, Milan (AC just means football club), while Inter is not Inter Milan (Inter from Milan) anymore than we are Everton Unmentionable — although I have mentioned it above.
On them lot (probably) not getting thru, it is good for the English game let alone any concerns we may crow about. There has to be change among our elite or the game or at least the League will stagnate.
So it would be a good thing were they to drop out. OK, a Great thing, yes!
Its full name is Atlético de [from] Madrid. I used to live near their ground — Great club.
How do you like it when the Dutch or Greeks call us "Everton Liverpool"? Eek!
Another club from Spain is the Bilbao-based Athletic Club. They use the English word. As do by the way, Milan (AC just means football club), while Inter is not Inter Milan (Inter from Milan) anymore than we are Everton Unmentionable — although I have mentioned it above.
On them lot (probably) not getting thru, it is good for the English game let alone any concerns we may crow about. There has to be change among our elite or the game or at least the League will stagnate.
So it would be a good thing were they to drop out. OK, a Great thing, yes!
Couldn’t agree more Paul about media darlings.
Tyldesley couldn’t help himself. Eulogising about the greatness of Liverpool. Waxing lyrical about their travels. Their history, their famous matches, famous goals, this player that player, the supporters. On and on and on through the match. Surely Liverpool supporters in arm chairs would have felt it over the top.
The verbal bullying he dished out toward Voronin was beyond the job description of a mere commentator, and as the guy was Gerrard's replacement it was in effect one big smug suck-up to the guy who, even though he wasn’t playing, was mentioned more than any other player.
Fortunately as I’m writing this today I’ve forgot many of the things he said which I was wanting to write in here about, but it was sickly. If it was a club commentator on their own website, surely he’d be asked to tone it down a bit.
Best bit of the night though? Beglin desperately trying to find a fault with Lyon’s goal to gain some moral comfort. And then realising on the reply, nope, he was wrong.
Fuck them, fuck ITV, fuck Tydesley for thinking everyone tuning in wanted to see a Liverpool victory.
Horrendous commentary. I think the man would love a steam room rendezvous with any red player and leave after an hour with a smile.
Fortunately, the way the rules are, Liverpool are indeed 99% out of the tournament.
One more thing, after the lady boy was taken off at Fulham, Ronnie Whelan said Rafa’s got his priorities wrong and he should concentrate on the league... no, Rafa’s got his priorities from above which say qualify from the group stages or we’re broke.
I’d happily take mid table mediocrity if it means Liverpool go tits up and fuck off.
... I feel so much better for that!
Tyldesley couldn’t help himself. Eulogising about the greatness of Liverpool. Waxing lyrical about their travels. Their history, their famous matches, famous goals, this player that player, the supporters. On and on and on through the match. Surely Liverpool supporters in arm chairs would have felt it over the top.
The verbal bullying he dished out toward Voronin was beyond the job description of a mere commentator, and as the guy was Gerrard's replacement it was in effect one big smug suck-up to the guy who, even though he wasn’t playing, was mentioned more than any other player.
Fortunately as I’m writing this today I’ve forgot many of the things he said which I was wanting to write in here about, but it was sickly. If it was a club commentator on their own website, surely he’d be asked to tone it down a bit.
Best bit of the night though? Beglin desperately trying to find a fault with Lyon’s goal to gain some moral comfort. And then realising on the reply, nope, he was wrong.
Fuck them, fuck ITV, fuck Tydesley for thinking everyone tuning in wanted to see a Liverpool victory.
Horrendous commentary. I think the man would love a steam room rendezvous with any red player and leave after an hour with a smile.
Fortunately, the way the rules are, Liverpool are indeed 99% out of the tournament.
One more thing, after the lady boy was taken off at Fulham, Ronnie Whelan said Rafa’s got his priorities wrong and he should concentrate on the league... no, Rafa’s got his priorities from above which say qualify from the group stages or we’re broke.
I’d happily take mid table mediocrity if it means Liverpool go tits up and fuck off.
... I feel so much better for that!
Oh and just so people know... Lyon have qualified as Liverpool on a head to head basis can’t finish above them if they do finish at best on the same points (10pts).
Fiorentina on 9 points play an already qualified Lyon and well, if they win that all is good.
If they draw, and presuming Liverpool beat Debrecen then they need to not lose by atleast least the same margin they best the shit in their first game. Then I presume it is down to goal difference.
Fiorentina on 9 points play an already qualified Lyon and well, if they win that all is good.
If they draw, and presuming Liverpool beat Debrecen then they need to not lose by atleast least the same margin they best the shit in their first game. Then I presume it is down to goal difference.
I’d not gloat yet if I were you; for two reasons,
1. Even as I write this the Liverpool FC lawyers are probably going through the competition rules to find an obscure sub-paragraph that ensures that they cannot be ousted from the competition... probably one of their rivals has unregistered ball boys or something and will have points docked...
2. If they do get knocked out — this will mean the FSW’s job will be in jeopardy; if they replace him with someone who actually knows what he is doing they might become a successful team again — and then where would we be?
BTW, Since Friday there have been 8 major articles on Liverpool FC in the Guardian newspaper alone — which saw fit to grant us just one paragraph about tonight’s match...
1. Even as I write this the Liverpool FC lawyers are probably going through the competition rules to find an obscure sub-paragraph that ensures that they cannot be ousted from the competition... probably one of their rivals has unregistered ball boys or something and will have points docked...
2. If they do get knocked out — this will mean the FSW’s job will be in jeopardy; if they replace him with someone who actually knows what he is doing they might become a successful team again — and then where would we be?
BTW, Since Friday there have been 8 major articles on Liverpool FC in the Guardian newspaper alone — which saw fit to grant us just one paragraph about tonight’s match...
When I was a kid, my late mother — a truly rabid, bitter Evertonian — used to say that Shankly (or as she called him ’that nasty ’oul get’) had done a deal with Satan.
She would tell us he had sold his soul for trophies and he and anyone who supported ’them’, would burn in hell for eternity (I’m NOT kidding — imagine what social services now would make of that now).
We would laugh, take no notice, tell her to get a move on with our Vesta Chow Mein (with crispy noodles) etc.
However, as I grew older and began to witness ’them’ regularly spawn their way to some of the spawniest... um... spawn imaginable, I started to think back to what my mother had said.
Eventually, by the time I was in my 40s, I believed in her theory, ABSOLUTELY.
The old Gary Player "the more I practice, the luckier I get" theory was something I DID believe in, but their jammy, fucking spawniness was something on a different level.
Especially against us (I won’t go through the list).
However, I’m now starting to think that maybe (just maybe!), it was only a 50-year contract and maybe (just maybe!) it’s just....run out.
If I’m right, I think the actual moment their deal became void was Gosling’s goal.
Since then, the sort of cruel luck they managed to avoid TOTALLY for 50 years, they seem no longer immune to.
In fact, quite the opposite.
A balloon scoring?
Last-minute winning goals against them... at HOME!?
Rafa in charge?
Fucked finances?
The Yanks taking over?
You wouldn’t describe their luck recently as good.
My only concern now is that a NEW contract is offered to them by ’the man downstairs’.
Over the next few months, I’m certainly going to keep my eye out for signs and you should all do the same.
For instance, If you see Voronin get a shot within 10 yards of the target, it probably means a new deal’s been done and we can look forward to another 50 years of them winning all sorts and us being subjected to regular doses of Clattenberg-Clive Thomas-Colina type muck.
DAMN YOU BEELZEEBUB!
She would tell us he had sold his soul for trophies and he and anyone who supported ’them’, would burn in hell for eternity (I’m NOT kidding — imagine what social services now would make of that now).
We would laugh, take no notice, tell her to get a move on with our Vesta Chow Mein (with crispy noodles) etc.
However, as I grew older and began to witness ’them’ regularly spawn their way to some of the spawniest... um... spawn imaginable, I started to think back to what my mother had said.
Eventually, by the time I was in my 40s, I believed in her theory, ABSOLUTELY.
The old Gary Player "the more I practice, the luckier I get" theory was something I DID believe in, but their jammy, fucking spawniness was something on a different level.
Especially against us (I won’t go through the list).
However, I’m now starting to think that maybe (just maybe!), it was only a 50-year contract and maybe (just maybe!) it’s just....run out.
If I’m right, I think the actual moment their deal became void was Gosling’s goal.
Since then, the sort of cruel luck they managed to avoid TOTALLY for 50 years, they seem no longer immune to.
In fact, quite the opposite.
A balloon scoring?
Last-minute winning goals against them... at HOME!?
Rafa in charge?
Fucked finances?
The Yanks taking over?
You wouldn’t describe their luck recently as good.
My only concern now is that a NEW contract is offered to them by ’the man downstairs’.
Over the next few months, I’m certainly going to keep my eye out for signs and you should all do the same.
For instance, If you see Voronin get a shot within 10 yards of the target, it probably means a new deal’s been done and we can look forward to another 50 years of them winning all sorts and us being subjected to regular doses of Clattenberg-Clive Thomas-Colina type muck.
DAMN YOU BEELZEEBUB!
Calm down lads!
If the unthinkable happens Uefa will just retrospectively change the rules to state that all teams qualifying for the CL will automatically start the group stages with one point for every time they have won the trophy.
This will, of course, be applied retrospectively and — hey presto! — the RS finish top of the group, just where Uefa and the media want them.
If the unthinkable happens Uefa will just retrospectively change the rules to state that all teams qualifying for the CL will automatically start the group stages with one point for every time they have won the trophy.
This will, of course, be applied retrospectively and — hey presto! — the RS finish top of the group, just where Uefa and the media want them.
Roberto, it wouldn't fuss me too much if people from other countries called us ’’Everton Liverpool’’ because that is where we are from and Liverpool is a great city.
As for LFC, I prefer to concentrate on my own team rather than to gloat at their misfortune, but unfortunatley they can fall into a pile of shite and still come up smelling of Roses, so I wouldn't write them off just yet.
If they do get knocked out the CL, hopefully it will force them back into a shared stadium debate because we are both falling further and further behind the pack.
As for LFC, I prefer to concentrate on my own team rather than to gloat at their misfortune, but unfortunatley they can fall into a pile of shite and still come up smelling of Roses, so I wouldn't write them off just yet.
If they do get knocked out the CL, hopefully it will force them back into a shared stadium debate because we are both falling further and further behind the pack.
While this is an Everton website and while I do not think threads should be devoted to the RS, I have no problem with good news about them being brought to our attention. Whether we like it or not they are part of our Evertonian psychology just as we are of theirs (though most of the kopites wouldn’t admit it!)
In these dark days for us Blues, I am cheered just a little by the RS predicament and would be ecstatic to see their decline continue to their demise. I have had 45 years of The Devil’s Spawn and I would not be one little bit sad to see them buried under a mountain of debt and unfulfilled expectation.Long may their depression continue and long may agent Rafa reign.
In these dark days for us Blues, I am cheered just a little by the RS predicament and would be ecstatic to see their decline continue to their demise. I have had 45 years of The Devil’s Spawn and I would not be one little bit sad to see them buried under a mountain of debt and unfulfilled expectation.Long may their depression continue and long may agent Rafa reign.
2. If they do get knocked out — this will mean the FSW’s job will be in jeopardy; if they replace him with someone who actually knows what he is doing they might become a successful team again — and then where would we be?
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That’s my biggest worry!
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That’s my biggest worry!
Mr Ruane.
Take a bow.
Take a bow.
@Roberto Birquet ,
Discúlpame, pero yo lo sé.
Solamente fué errata en mi parte. La hora era tarde, y el vino Chileno se acabo ....
Entonces, y por fin, yo no quería ofender el nombre del Atlético Madrid. (Siempre tengo problemas usando los acentos en español.
Que tengas buenas días!!
Discúlpame, pero yo lo sé.
Solamente fué errata en mi parte. La hora era tarde, y el vino Chileno se acabo ....
Entonces, y por fin, yo no quería ofender el nombre del Atlético Madrid. (Siempre tengo problemas usando los acentos en español.
Que tengas buenas días!!
Eugene Ruan,
That’s simply the best comment I have yet read on Toffee Web, and to gain plaudits from our friend
Ciarán is in itself remarkable!!
That’s simply the best comment I have yet read on Toffee Web, and to gain plaudits from our friend
Ciarán is in itself remarkable!!
Who Cares?!
I support Everton so all im bothered about is how Everton are doing. There are far to many so called Evertonians who are more bothered about what Liverpool do or dont do than their own team. If they struggle so what. If they win the league so what, im a blue. Concentrate onyour own team.
I support Everton so all im bothered about is how Everton are doing. There are far to many so called Evertonians who are more bothered about what Liverpool do or dont do than their own team. If they struggle so what. If they win the league so what, im a blue. Concentrate onyour own team.
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But aren't there some games still left to play in the CL? I wouldn't be counting no domestic fowl at this point... I wouldn't be crowing too loud about their imminent demise either... In fact, I wouldn't be talking about them at all. But that's just me I guess...