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Time for a Change?

It may or may not be down to injuries but we aren't going to achieve what we would've hoped for at the start of the season/end of last season. The players that are taking to the pitch though are capable of playing much better than they are doing, is it Moyes they are not responding to? Is Moyes just as downbeat, demoralised and pissed-off right now as any Evertonian is?

Should we make a managerial change now? Get a new man in and let him have the rest of the season with the team and he can get rid of who he doesn't want at the end of the season and replace them with with his own players?

If we leave it and make a change at the end of the season then we may as well write-off next season too as the new man's bedding in season. If we don't make a change now then what can we hope for next season?

Even with the injured back will we actually win anything with Moyes? His style of football always seems to come unstuck when we come up against any decent team, regardless of the competition and regardless of the injuries we do or don't have.

I have always been a supporter of Moyes simply because he gave us back hope. Hope of winning something. But I don't think it's going to progress any further than that. I don't think we will get relegated under Moyes or anything as bad as that but I don't think we'll win anything either. So do we just settle for mediocrity/nothingness or take a chance? I vote take a chance, make a change now.
Phil Armitage, Lancashire Posted 06/11/2009 at 07:04:45

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Anthony Doran
1 Posted 06/11/2009 at 14:09:36

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The buck has to stop with the manager. Moyes, for all he has done at Everton, is not experienced enough to bring in the players and the type of style thats going to make us competitve at the top level. He has made an average team punch above our weight for many a season now but I finally agree he has taken Everton as far as he can and even if he had half the resources at Man City I have serious doubts as to whether he could take us to the next level. The big question is were do Everton go from here? A new manager in mid season is not the answer adn I serioulsy doubt we currently could attract someone that will steer the ship in the right direction. Moyes will get us up the table and keep us safe thats all we have to aspire for this season. A new manager with a propre experienced footballing brain in the summer should be our target.

Nick Entwistle
2 Posted 06/11/2009 at 14:40:11

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When you say the buck stops with the manager, how does that apply when he’s not allowed to manage as he wishes.
He had to sell to buy, and only then right at the end of the summer. Villa, Spurs, City all increased the quality of their squads, and we were left with a few extra defenders and Bily.

Bill, where’s the money?!?!?!?

I don't though agree we’re a team punching above our weight. The core of the squad has class throughout, and has given us rightly the ’best of the rest’ tag, but even so, our best players are not receiving bids from the top four and neither would you expect them to.

I think Moyes will walk long before BK thinks it's time to move him on Walter-style, because Moyes is good enough to keep this team finishing high enough each season not to bring his position in danger.

Ian Tunstead
3 Posted 06/11/2009 at 14:51:37

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Apart from a couple of blip seasons overall Moyes has progressed this club over the last 7 years. The last 3 seasons have shown consistency but I see this as another blip.

Moyes has earned has chance to finish the season and see if he can turn it around as he has so many times in the past, especially considering the amount of injuries he has had to deal with.

There is still a long way to go in this season and still a lot to play for. Each year Moyes has got closer to trophy. A final last year a semi-final the year before and a last 16 in the UEFA cup only being beaten on penalties.

So in answer to your question, no, it is far too early and I doubt we could find anyone to do a better job, it would also cost too much. Moyes is still the best man for the job.

Anthony Doran
4 Posted 06/11/2009 at 14:59:11

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Nick, he is allowed to ’manage’ as he wishes and on the pitch is were we see the proof of his managerial ability. Many complain of the hoofball we regulary endorse, some would blame the players we have for this, but clearly they are playing to the style that Moyes wants them to adopt. Ok, for sure he has noy been helped by the boards lack of funds but thats no excuse for his style of play. Even with a fully fit team, the players Moyes likes do what they are told and hoof it up the field, it takes players with ability like Areteta to get on the ball and play the way they only know how to break this mold. And i do believe we have been punching above our weight, i dont like to admit it but its only time unless some major changes happen that we get permentally overtaken by the likes of Spurs/Villa.

Ciarán McGlone
5 Posted 06/11/2009 at 15:07:49

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again...we need to wait until there are no excuses....

Moyes needs time with all his players....it’s not that we owe him that - because frankly, we owe him nothing.

We owe it to ourselves...despite the fact that there is also no way on this earth that Kenwright will sack his ’yes’ man.....and spend money on the termination and a new appointment!

Roy Coyne
6 Posted 06/11/2009 at 15:20:32

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The buck stops with the manager when he has had the FULL backing of the board ie Bill. until he gets similar funding to other clubs and I dont mean the mega bucks teams,its unfair to blame him for all the woes although he picks tactics ect its from a limited squad of players

Ray Burn
7 Posted 06/11/2009 at 15:38:04

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Those three Argentine fellas that tore us to shreds whilst playing the beautiful game beautifully over two games.

Angel Di Maria - £7 Million
Pablo Aimar - £4.5 Million
Javier Saviola - £5.5 Million.

Give or take a bit depending on how strong the £ was at the time.

How much was Fellaini supposed to have cost us again?

I am quite a staunch Moyes supporter and I’m not too fussed how we get the results, as long as we get them, but that one dimensional drivel served up last night was hard to take and was completely and ruthlessly exposed by Benfica.

I am happy to stick with Moyes but, to answer the original question, if DM were to be poached by Man United *suppresses laugh* and change was forced upon us I would gladly settle for any of the three managers of the European teams that have recently run rings around us i.e. Benfica, Fiorentina or Standard Liege. I bet none of those guys are on £60K per week.

Neil Humphrey
8 Posted 06/11/2009 at 16:00:44

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Ray - Fiorentina ran rings round us? In the away leg, sure, but I seem to remember us battering the fuck out of them for 90 minutes when they came to Goodison.

I think people are too quick to ask for change at the managerial level. Look at the most successful clubs in the country currently. Man Utd have had the same manager for about 20 years. Wenger has been at Arsenal for ages. Even the FSW has been at the shite for nearly five years. The only exception is Chelsea, who have been through a few managers recently - but then they have also been able to access a bottomless pit of money.

Let’s get to the end of the season at least and see where we are - none of you have a crystal ball.

Tony Williams
9 Posted 06/11/2009 at 16:18:28

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"but clearly they are playing to the style that Moyes wants them to adopt"

Do you honestly believe that on the training pitch Moyes tells his players to satand like statues and not look for space and if then can, make sure they miss the easy 10 yard pass?

It probably is down to managing in regards to making space but those lazy fookers in the middle have been getting off too easy this season with all the blame being placed at Moyes’ feet, spread it around, they all deserve it.

Anthony Doran
10 Posted 06/11/2009 at 16:28:31

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I dont know what he says actually Tony, all I know is what see. Ball get passed out to defence....hoofed straight up to Fellani whose clumsy attempt to head or control leads to wave after wave of oppositions attack resulting another hammering. I doubt Moyes actally insists on this style of play but we have as fans become acustom to watching this crap. Moyes has to take his share of responsibility. If these "lazy fookers in the middle" arent up to the task then he as manager must do something about it...yesterday! its not like we are watching this crap for the first time.

Ray Burn
11 Posted 06/11/2009 at 19:32:41

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Neil - That second leg against Fiorentina was just one of those special Goodison nights and better teams than Fiorentina have wilted under that atmosphere, tactical genius not required. I reckon even Mike Walker could lead us to Champions League glory if The Old Lady was like that every week.

Anyways, I’m not calling for Moyes’ head, just suggesting that if he were to leave there are three continental managers I would be only too happy to see take the reins.,,but as a Spurs supporting mate pointed out today Juande Ramos’ credentials were impeccable so perhaps better the devil you know. He’s probably right.

Kevin Bennett
12 Posted 06/11/2009 at 17:59:18

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Before we went in to our "busy weekend" scenario, Moyes talked us into being tired. His constant bleating about so many games and the whining that the "authorties are against us" made us believe that we were tired and we were bound to lose.

His no-show after the Spurs game was pathetic to say the least. We are now in a downward spiral and in the press today he is still at it!! Bleating about how being in Europe is affecting our league performance. His man-management is as stale as his team.

Last night he was shown up fo what he is: one-dimensional with no alternative plan whatsoever. Why did our lone striker spend the entire second half on the left wing? What an embarrasment.

Stewart Littler
13 Posted 07/11/2009 at 15:57:09

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Ray:

Mikel Arteta - £2.5m
Steven Pienaar - £3m
Louis Saha - £2m

difference, none of these 3 players, all capable of pass and move football, were on the pitch last night. And if those 3 hadn’t been on the pitch, I think we may have nicked a win or a draw at least. Aimar came on and changed the game; we brought on Jo and Agard!

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