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Tony Cascarino
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Firstly, let me start by saying I'm no great lover of any pundits, they all spout shite and none of them seem to have a real grasp of what is happening in the Premier League, I mean FFS most of them still think Utd and Liverpool play good football.
I was aghast at Tony Cascarino's comments in the article and show's his blind ignorance to what is going on here, an ignorance shown by some who post on these pages (although everyone is entitled to their opinions of course).
He thinks that Moyes reputation will be damaged if he stays any longer at Everton and we're a club in decline. I mean excuse me, Mr Cascarino, WHY is this club in decline? Who is coaching this lot? Who is picking the XI? Who is telling them how to play?? It's certainly not me, Its David Fucking Moyes.
The reason this team is shit is because of him. They can't pass, they can't tackle, they don't find space, they don't do any of the basics right. The set pieces are awful. So who's fault is this? Phil Neville? Cahill? Yobo? NO! It's Moyes and Round. They coach the players every day they tell them what to do.
I'm sick and tired of people thinking Moyes is some super-manager who walks on water, he's making a fucking mess of this season and nobody will admit it. The press think he's some sort of god who will manage Man Utd one day, ha ha ha ha, he may get a run at FC United of Manchester but that's about his level.
Blame the injuries, blame the board etc. But ultimately he carries the can. If he takes the glory of getting us in the CL then he takes the stick for this gutless mess. If he was getting messed around in the summer, he should have walked to prove a point, why didnt he? Probably scared of not getting another job and losing his pay off.
And as for you, Tony Cascarino, if you're going to write an article, at least get your facts straight. This club is not ruining David Moyes's reputation — he's doing a good enough job of that himself.
Ste Boileau, Posted 06/11/2009 at 13:43:11
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MIchael Kenrick
Nail... head.
"The reason this team is shit is because of him. They can’t pass, they can’t tackle, they don’t find space, they don’t do any of the basics right. The set pieces are awful. So who’s fault is this? Phil Neville? Cahill? Yobo? NO! It’s Moyes and Round. They coach the players every day they tell them what to do"
Not going all Pro Moyes here but what a load of tosh, it’s Moyes fault that Rodwell couldn’t pick a pass last night is it? Moyes told him to do it. It must be Moyes instructions to hit the first defender from a free kick.....every fucken time!!!!!!!!! It’s Moyes’ fault when those lazy bastards don’t move for space is it? because he obviously tells them in training to look disinterested doesn’t he?
When does the blame move all around and not just on the manager?
Not going all Pro Moyes here but what a load of tosh, it’s Moyes fault that Rodwell couldn’t pick a pass last night is it? Moyes told him to do it. It must be Moyes instructions to hit the first defender from a free kick.....every fucken time!!!!!!!!! It’s Moyes’ fault when those lazy bastards don’t move for space is it? because he obviously tells them in training to look disinterested doesn’t he?
When does the blame move all around and not just on the manager?
The loss of Moyes would not be the disaster that some paint it to be. Credit where it’s due, he gave this club back much needed dignity & raised expectations. But everyone has their limits.
I think it could be a release for all concerned if Moyes left. But I don’t think he will and it all depends who comes next. Moyes has done some great things for our club, but he does have a nack of combining good achievements with unwanted records. I’ve lost count of how many records he’s broken that we didn’t want to break.
We should also not underestimate the injury situation. It seems to me it is really eating the heart out of the club right now and frustrating everybody. That should never be an excuse for not playing football, but it’s a horrible burden to carry with a squad of our size & depth.
Anyway, for a club with no money, I think Moyes is as good as it will get for the foreseeable future.
I think it could be a release for all concerned if Moyes left. But I don’t think he will and it all depends who comes next. Moyes has done some great things for our club, but he does have a nack of combining good achievements with unwanted records. I’ve lost count of how many records he’s broken that we didn’t want to break.
We should also not underestimate the injury situation. It seems to me it is really eating the heart out of the club right now and frustrating everybody. That should never be an excuse for not playing football, but it’s a horrible burden to carry with a squad of our size & depth.
Anyway, for a club with no money, I think Moyes is as good as it will get for the foreseeable future.
And that’s the biggest problem Alan, he is the best we can afford at the moment and the best who would want to manage us.
Why would any other manager come to us knowing that he has to sell his best players to buy anyone?
Why would any other manager come to us knowing that he has to sell his best players to buy anyone?
Tony,
Ok, he’s not responsible for a bad pass etc, but why isnt he barking out instuctions from the sidelines or hauling players off if they’re not doing what they’re told. Even he doesnt look arsed anymore, he just stands there accepting the shite on display. I remember when he first turned up and he was involved in the warm ups and he’d be charging of his seat to give players grief if they messed up.
And dont start with the "He cant haul players off he’s got nobody on the bench they’re all injured". Well he’s the manager, he should have planned for the worst. He should have looked at what he had, looked at the amount of games they had to play and bought 10 players in ensure he had adequate cover. Its called ’Planning and Management’ and its part of his job description. If Kenwright wouldnt give him the money, say so in the press and walk away. Dont stand there keeping a ’dignified silence’ before moaning about it when you can do fuck all about it. Terrible management absolutely abysmal. Anybody in a normal job would be sacked for being inept.
Ok, he’s not responsible for a bad pass etc, but why isnt he barking out instuctions from the sidelines or hauling players off if they’re not doing what they’re told. Even he doesnt look arsed anymore, he just stands there accepting the shite on display. I remember when he first turned up and he was involved in the warm ups and he’d be charging of his seat to give players grief if they messed up.
And dont start with the "He cant haul players off he’s got nobody on the bench they’re all injured". Well he’s the manager, he should have planned for the worst. He should have looked at what he had, looked at the amount of games they had to play and bought 10 players in ensure he had adequate cover. Its called ’Planning and Management’ and its part of his job description. If Kenwright wouldnt give him the money, say so in the press and walk away. Dont stand there keeping a ’dignified silence’ before moaning about it when you can do fuck all about it. Terrible management absolutely abysmal. Anybody in a normal job would be sacked for being inept.
"it’s Moyes fault that Rodwell couldn’t pick a pass last night is it? Moyes told him to do it. It must be Moyes instructions to hit the first defender from a free kick.....every fucken time!!!!!!!!! It’s Moyes’ fault when those lazy bastards don’t move for space is it? because he obviously tells them in training to look disinterested doesn’t he?"
Sorry Tony, but yes, it is his fault.
This is Moyes’s team. He bought most of them. He also is the one who can ship them out if they don’t perform. Moyes also picked round. The coaching area is still his responsibility. Thats what the role of a manager is.
You cannot pass the blame anywhere else. There are very few of the current first team squad left from the previous era. And two of those (osman and hibbert) are about the only ones of the current squad who actually show work ethic and play their heart out.
Sorry Tony, but yes, it is his fault.
This is Moyes’s team. He bought most of them. He also is the one who can ship them out if they don’t perform. Moyes also picked round. The coaching area is still his responsibility. Thats what the role of a manager is.
You cannot pass the blame anywhere else. There are very few of the current first team squad left from the previous era. And two of those (osman and hibbert) are about the only ones of the current squad who actually show work ethic and play their heart out.
Very good post Ste, I agree with all of it.
Tony,
Are you saying no other manager would come here for £3m ayear? I should think the queue would be round the block. If moyes would have stood up to kenwright over the cash, and maybe even had walked, I would have a lot more respect for him.
Tony,
Are you saying no other manager would come here for £3m ayear? I should think the queue would be round the block. If moyes would have stood up to kenwright over the cash, and maybe even had walked, I would have a lot more respect for him.
I dont subscribe to the theory that Moyes is the best we can afford. I bet Roy Hodgson does not get 60K a week and there would be numerous mangers on the continent who have actually won trophies that are on far less.
If the next three games go the way of our last three away results then we might be looking for someone sooner than we think.
If the next three games go the way of our last three away results then we might be looking for someone sooner than we think.
There are two separate issues about Moyes which keep getting confused: results and style of play.
On results, Moyes successful record at Everton is factual and undeniable. Top 6 finishes year on year, especially with the resources available to him, make their own case.
Arguing that a change of manager will achieve better results is pretty flimsy. Does anyone seriously believe that - at the same level of resources - a different manager than Moyes would have us breaking into the top four? No, I don’t either.
Okay, results are depressingly poor right now. But it would be very premature to get rid of Moyes before seeing what happens when at least some of our injured players are back. Maybe he has indeed lost it now, but I still think we will pick up markedly. I have no particular hope that any other manager we could realistically get would have us doing any better in results terms. Moyes has proven it year on year.
The second argument is about our style of play. I think that Moyes is largely a defensively-oriented manager who plays the percentages. With all our best players fit, we become a bit more attractive. But we still base our game primarily on not conceding first and foremost, defending from the front to the back.
Moyes’ style puts him pretty much on a par with his current peers. Wenger is the only absolutely clear exception. Far from Moyes being somehow ’behind the times’, at least in terms of the English game, he is pretty much one of the pack. (Yes, and a defensive 4-5-1 is very common too. Where are all these fuid and attacking coaches in the English game?)
The truth that dare not speak its name is that we have achieved our good results over recent years largely because of the Moyes’s style, not in spite of it. All Moyes’ players are drilled into retaining shape, tracking back etc. etc,. That’s what our relative success has been built on.
So my take on getting rid of Moyes: certainly no convincing case at all yet that it will improve our results; and who’s to say that we will get a manager promoting a different more attractive style of play? Certainly not one who will achieve better results.
Be careful what you wish for.
On results, Moyes successful record at Everton is factual and undeniable. Top 6 finishes year on year, especially with the resources available to him, make their own case.
Arguing that a change of manager will achieve better results is pretty flimsy. Does anyone seriously believe that - at the same level of resources - a different manager than Moyes would have us breaking into the top four? No, I don’t either.
Okay, results are depressingly poor right now. But it would be very premature to get rid of Moyes before seeing what happens when at least some of our injured players are back. Maybe he has indeed lost it now, but I still think we will pick up markedly. I have no particular hope that any other manager we could realistically get would have us doing any better in results terms. Moyes has proven it year on year.
The second argument is about our style of play. I think that Moyes is largely a defensively-oriented manager who plays the percentages. With all our best players fit, we become a bit more attractive. But we still base our game primarily on not conceding first and foremost, defending from the front to the back.
Moyes’ style puts him pretty much on a par with his current peers. Wenger is the only absolutely clear exception. Far from Moyes being somehow ’behind the times’, at least in terms of the English game, he is pretty much one of the pack. (Yes, and a defensive 4-5-1 is very common too. Where are all these fuid and attacking coaches in the English game?)
The truth that dare not speak its name is that we have achieved our good results over recent years largely because of the Moyes’s style, not in spite of it. All Moyes’ players are drilled into retaining shape, tracking back etc. etc,. That’s what our relative success has been built on.
So my take on getting rid of Moyes: certainly no convincing case at all yet that it will improve our results; and who’s to say that we will get a manager promoting a different more attractive style of play? Certainly not one who will achieve better results.
Be careful what you wish for.
Cascarino ?
You seem to have a decent understanding of the game Ste.
YTF are you listening to anything Cascarino has to say ?
You seem to have a decent understanding of the game Ste.
YTF are you listening to anything Cascarino has to say ?
A little bit off topic, but what’s this I’m hearing about Jags having a setback on his knee. Out for another 6 weeks?
Thanks Dave, I read it on here when I logged in today and it wound me up a little. He’s as bad on TalkSport as he was on the pitch....
Neil
thought I’d never say this but agree with everything you said.
Ste Boyle.
Moyes has said on a couple of occasions that he has made the "money men" aware of the effect the lack of resources available would have.
thought I’d never say this but agree with everything you said.
Ste Boyle.
Moyes has said on a couple of occasions that he has made the "money men" aware of the effect the lack of resources available would have.
Just read about Jags and can’t believe the news 4- 6 weeks out with a cartilage tear!!! When will it end??!!
Cascarino is way off the mark here but so are many of our fans who think Moyes is good enough for Man Utd or similar. I nearly died of shame last night at Goodison watching Premier League players embarrassing our club in a manner that wouldn't go down well in a Sunday morning pub game.
How on earth anyone thinks you can take on one of the giants of world football, Benfica, by lobing ball after ball up the middle to a lone striker who is out wide anyway.
Since Steve Round arrived at the club, Moyes seems to have regressed even further into caveman mode and the football basics have all but disappeared. Blame injuries for results going agianst us but don't blame injuries on lame tactics and the longball methods Moyes loves to play.
How on earth anyone thinks you can take on one of the giants of world football, Benfica, by lobing ball after ball up the middle to a lone striker who is out wide anyway.
Since Steve Round arrived at the club, Moyes seems to have regressed even further into caveman mode and the football basics have all but disappeared. Blame injuries for results going agianst us but don't blame injuries on lame tactics and the longball methods Moyes loves to play.
Round fucked up at Boro, now he’s doing the same here. Bring back Irvine! Moyes must take the blame for taking him as no2. No wonder all these injuries are happening if the players are having to recieve the ball with their backs facing the oppositions goal.All the turning they have to do must make them dizzy
Since when has a manager been bigger than a club. Tony Cascarino would have never got a game at Everton even in his fucking prime.
Cascarino may have been an average player, but he may have a future as a pundit, everton are on the decline in terms of financing, pre season build up, creativity,ground, players........we are a bore to watch, and have a squad filled with mediocre players, soon hopefully real soon, someone might take notice and sort this shit out !!
My earlier post on this topic must be lost somewhere between Aus and Merseyside. I think this sums it up in a nutshell.
It took Moyes 8 years to create the clueless blue shirted rubbish we saw at Goodison the other night.
Jorge Jesus manager of Benfica got that job in June. It took him only four manths to create a team that shamed Everton’s manager.
It took Moyes 8 years to create the clueless blue shirted rubbish we saw at Goodison the other night.
Jorge Jesus manager of Benfica got that job in June. It took him only four manths to create a team that shamed Everton’s manager.
just about Jags again why doesn’t the official site break the news first?
Personally I think that neil pearse’s article was spot on.
I get annoyed when we play badly, as must the manager- however I think the idea that he plays bad football as some kind of strategy is ridiculous. If I’ve noticed anything about the last 7 years it is the improvement of the squad and the style of play in a considered, patient evolution. We started by being hard to beat, and have gradually added the abilities to pass, shoot and defend with no small amount of skill. If Moyes’ masterplan was to be defensive and shite we wouldn’t have the squad we do.
It may not be his forte, but I do believe Moyes is attempting to do what we’d all do- sort the foundations, then add flair, skill, whatever you want to call it.
For me, moyes is not even remotely like allardyce, his aim is to improve by adding talent and skilling the team up- of course it doesn’t happen straight away. If every player we’d wanted was available, AND we could afford them AND they wanted to come to everton then things would be brilliant- however, I’m certain that the team we have now is better than the team we had 3 years ago- and if they don’t win all the time then what? No team does. It takes time AND money to make progress, and as far as I’m concerned that’s what we’ve done. Slow and painful it may be, but it’s still progress.
Now I know we’ve been pretty poor so far, but at least I don’t EXPECT us to be shit. I actually think there are players on our books that other clubs properly covet.
Anyway, losing sucks. Playing bad bad football sucks. But we don’t do it as standard and we don’t expect it as standard. If that is Moyes’ legacy then it’s still respectable. However, I believe he’s actually trying to make it better, add skill, add flair - moutinho or whoever. In my eyes he’s a guy who had a plan and has actually delivered on at least some of it, which is a rarity in this sport.
I’m not going to say the guy is unimpeachable because no manager is, but if we’re losing to a better European team and feeling pissed off it’s because a) we’re playing in Europe and b) because we think we should win.
Moyes had a plan, and made some of it happen. That is rare in any walk of life, let alone this circus, for that I owe him respect, if not adulation.
In Moyes We not unreasonably Expect.
Btw I am very drunk.
I get annoyed when we play badly, as must the manager- however I think the idea that he plays bad football as some kind of strategy is ridiculous. If I’ve noticed anything about the last 7 years it is the improvement of the squad and the style of play in a considered, patient evolution. We started by being hard to beat, and have gradually added the abilities to pass, shoot and defend with no small amount of skill. If Moyes’ masterplan was to be defensive and shite we wouldn’t have the squad we do.
It may not be his forte, but I do believe Moyes is attempting to do what we’d all do- sort the foundations, then add flair, skill, whatever you want to call it.
For me, moyes is not even remotely like allardyce, his aim is to improve by adding talent and skilling the team up- of course it doesn’t happen straight away. If every player we’d wanted was available, AND we could afford them AND they wanted to come to everton then things would be brilliant- however, I’m certain that the team we have now is better than the team we had 3 years ago- and if they don’t win all the time then what? No team does. It takes time AND money to make progress, and as far as I’m concerned that’s what we’ve done. Slow and painful it may be, but it’s still progress.
Now I know we’ve been pretty poor so far, but at least I don’t EXPECT us to be shit. I actually think there are players on our books that other clubs properly covet.
Anyway, losing sucks. Playing bad bad football sucks. But we don’t do it as standard and we don’t expect it as standard. If that is Moyes’ legacy then it’s still respectable. However, I believe he’s actually trying to make it better, add skill, add flair - moutinho or whoever. In my eyes he’s a guy who had a plan and has actually delivered on at least some of it, which is a rarity in this sport.
I’m not going to say the guy is unimpeachable because no manager is, but if we’re losing to a better European team and feeling pissed off it’s because a) we’re playing in Europe and b) because we think we should win.
Moyes had a plan, and made some of it happen. That is rare in any walk of life, let alone this circus, for that I owe him respect, if not adulation.
In Moyes We not unreasonably Expect.
Btw I am very drunk.
I’ve often thought Moyes has done a fantastic job on a shoe-string budget. But Tony Marsh is exactly correct.
I worked my ass of all week and couldn’t wait to get home Thursday from work to catch the game on replay here in the US. Surely we’d find revenge for a 5-0 drubbing. I thought this could be the "turn around" game of the season.
We lumped the ball up constantly, simply handing possession back to Benfica time and time again. We had no real threats to speak of, and it was Hell to watch. Just abysmal.
Injuries are there to be sure but I see no reason whatsoever for the team we put on the pitch to perform the way they did. My kids know to move the ball from the back line, on the carpet, through the midfield to an attacking position!
I’ve often thought some of the "negative" posters on here needed to get a grip in the past. But seeing our style of play I think they maybe have had a point.
I swear I’d prefer to change the style of play and see us struggle to stay up.
Would you rather finish 7th or 8th and muck it up constantly and knick a 1-0 bored out of your minds watching? Or finish 16th-17th having a go, playing possession pass and move football worthy of professionals?
This year may be a turning point for me. Damn the results. I’d rather see and watch the latter. My time is precious and dare I say it’s somewhat wasted watching this garbage?
I think Marsh, and all those begging for a style of play worthy of the sport have had, and do have, a very, very valid point.
And frankly there is no reason whatsover the 11 guys who played Thursday can’t try to play a brand of football worthy of their massive paychecks.
And a brand worthy of my time as a fan.
It’s getting dark and gloomy. I can’t see the light at the end of the tunnel any longer.
I worked my ass of all week and couldn’t wait to get home Thursday from work to catch the game on replay here in the US. Surely we’d find revenge for a 5-0 drubbing. I thought this could be the "turn around" game of the season.
We lumped the ball up constantly, simply handing possession back to Benfica time and time again. We had no real threats to speak of, and it was Hell to watch. Just abysmal.
Injuries are there to be sure but I see no reason whatsoever for the team we put on the pitch to perform the way they did. My kids know to move the ball from the back line, on the carpet, through the midfield to an attacking position!
I’ve often thought some of the "negative" posters on here needed to get a grip in the past. But seeing our style of play I think they maybe have had a point.
I swear I’d prefer to change the style of play and see us struggle to stay up.
Would you rather finish 7th or 8th and muck it up constantly and knick a 1-0 bored out of your minds watching? Or finish 16th-17th having a go, playing possession pass and move football worthy of professionals?
This year may be a turning point for me. Damn the results. I’d rather see and watch the latter. My time is precious and dare I say it’s somewhat wasted watching this garbage?
I think Marsh, and all those begging for a style of play worthy of the sport have had, and do have, a very, very valid point.
And frankly there is no reason whatsover the 11 guys who played Thursday can’t try to play a brand of football worthy of their massive paychecks.
And a brand worthy of my time as a fan.
It’s getting dark and gloomy. I can’t see the light at the end of the tunnel any longer.
I agree with Neil Pearse.
Just read that back and Yes, I really did say that!
It’s a depressing time with the results at present, but too early to press the Panic button.
Of course, should Kirkby get the go ahead this month, I will be very, very depressed. Damn it, I just cannot keep that subject out of my mind when you post on here, Neil! :)
Just read that back and Yes, I really did say that!
It’s a depressing time with the results at present, but too early to press the Panic button.
Of course, should Kirkby get the go ahead this month, I will be very, very depressed. Damn it, I just cannot keep that subject out of my mind when you post on here, Neil! :)
"Most" Evertonians would say he has done a decent job, he has restored our pride, although it has to be said, his teams have hardly had us on the edge of our seats.
Neil is right, there are two separate issues here, under Moyes we have generally played ugly football, but he has credit in the bank, results have been half decent.
People keep screaming wait until our injured players are back, but Moyes will not be afforded that luxury, he needs to turn it around now.
Most fans will accept ugly football if your getting results, but when results go south, what are you left with ?
Is Moyes unsackable ? Many people claim Kenwright has stood by him before, the season we finished 4th from bottom . . but did he really stick his neck out ? if memory serves me right we were never really in any danger of the drop - we had secured our safety by April, ok we went into free fall after that and - again if memory serves me right - we lost our last 5 games, but we still finished comfortably above 3rd bottom. Kenright had been used to far worse, during his time on the board this had been the norm.
Kenwrights fabled loyalty may well be put to the test this season . . . . if this continues, I think Moyse’ll be out by Chrimbo,
Neil is right, there are two separate issues here, under Moyes we have generally played ugly football, but he has credit in the bank, results have been half decent.
People keep screaming wait until our injured players are back, but Moyes will not be afforded that luxury, he needs to turn it around now.
Most fans will accept ugly football if your getting results, but when results go south, what are you left with ?
Is Moyes unsackable ? Many people claim Kenwright has stood by him before, the season we finished 4th from bottom . . but did he really stick his neck out ? if memory serves me right we were never really in any danger of the drop - we had secured our safety by April, ok we went into free fall after that and - again if memory serves me right - we lost our last 5 games, but we still finished comfortably above 3rd bottom. Kenright had been used to far worse, during his time on the board this had been the norm.
Kenwrights fabled loyalty may well be put to the test this season . . . . if this continues, I think Moyse’ll be out by Chrimbo,
Could be wrong, but I can’t see Moyes going anytime this season - unless he jumps himself. If we pick up a bit, obviously he stays. If we start to scrap for relegation, who would be better?
In the short-term the only way I can see him going is if it becomes obvious that he has ’lost the dressing room’. Interesting what he says on the OS (rather oddly to my mind) about the ’core’ of the team (Neville, Jags, Cahill, Arteta, H&O). I suspect that they are still solidly with him, so he’s going nowhere this season. I think Neill and Heitinga could also turn out ’core’ in the battles ahead.
Now, if I was a betting man, and if we only manage a dull mid table this year, and if there’s no more money for players next summer... I would bet Davey will finally move on. And that might be best for both parties, both needing some new challenge. Of course, if we finally get a bit of money, all bets are off. I live in hope.
In the short-term the only way I can see him going is if it becomes obvious that he has ’lost the dressing room’. Interesting what he says on the OS (rather oddly to my mind) about the ’core’ of the team (Neville, Jags, Cahill, Arteta, H&O). I suspect that they are still solidly with him, so he’s going nowhere this season. I think Neill and Heitinga could also turn out ’core’ in the battles ahead.
Now, if I was a betting man, and if we only manage a dull mid table this year, and if there’s no more money for players next summer... I would bet Davey will finally move on. And that might be best for both parties, both needing some new challenge. Of course, if we finally get a bit of money, all bets are off. I live in hope.
Cascarino. WHO?
Hardly been to Goodison.
Top rated footballer-NOT.
Top rated football pundit-NOT.
ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE>
KEIOC.
Hardly been to Goodison.
Top rated footballer-NOT.
Top rated football pundit-NOT.
ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE>
KEIOC.
Pulis is getting more out of Beattie than Moyes ever did. Is he better than Moyes? Or is it the way we play? Soon no-one will want to come to Everton because their Careers come to a Juddering halt. Now we know why Lescott left, and its just not for the money
If we are going into "purist" mode I guess the only side in the PL worth watching is Arsenal and I would’nt mind watching them every day of the week (but not against the blues of course!) The simple fact is that most teams serve up some pretty dour stuff for about 85 minutes and the good 5 minutes is spread pretty thinly over the rest of the match. Let’s face up to the fact that we have a very small squad - maybe the smallest in the PL - several of whom are still bedding in and an appalling injury list which just seems to expand by the day. I realise that we don’t often do the simple things very well but then neither do a lot of teams. Outside of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd there’s precious few jewels to contemplate on a Saturday afternoon. Let’s have our full squad back, see what happens and then moan if justified.
Well put Ste.
Moyes is average and will always be so. When we win its due to huff and puff and 100% effort, its never due to clever football . No team can sustain balls out, 100% effort every single match all through a season.
Everyone talks about the lack of money available to Moyes but have a look at the cost of the Benfica team that has given us a lesson over two games and you will find that it didnt cost as much as our team and that our players are better paid than their players-so a good footballing team can be assembled for the funds we have available, its just that Moyes cant do it. He is a dour bastard who provides us with dour bastard football.
It was great watching Eusabio walk out at ’Goodness Park’ (as he called it) but if he played for Moyes he would be told to ’roll them sleeves up, run your bollocks off down the channels and cut out the fancy stuff like dribbling and shooting or you will be out lad’.
Moyes is a boring, boring bastard and i am sick of the shite excuse for football he has served up during his time here.
I have posted before here that we have sacked much better managers than him-even Gordon Lee’s team played better stuff than Moyes’ team.
Moyes is average and will always be so. When we win its due to huff and puff and 100% effort, its never due to clever football . No team can sustain balls out, 100% effort every single match all through a season.
Everyone talks about the lack of money available to Moyes but have a look at the cost of the Benfica team that has given us a lesson over two games and you will find that it didnt cost as much as our team and that our players are better paid than their players-so a good footballing team can be assembled for the funds we have available, its just that Moyes cant do it. He is a dour bastard who provides us with dour bastard football.
It was great watching Eusabio walk out at ’Goodness Park’ (as he called it) but if he played for Moyes he would be told to ’roll them sleeves up, run your bollocks off down the channels and cut out the fancy stuff like dribbling and shooting or you will be out lad’.
Moyes is a boring, boring bastard and i am sick of the shite excuse for football he has served up during his time here.
I have posted before here that we have sacked much better managers than him-even Gordon Lee’s team played better stuff than Moyes’ team.
Top article Ste. It is about time that Darling Moyes accepts some of the blame. Given the circumstances he has done a terrific job and no 1 should deny it but for pete’s sake he will never manage the likes of United in a million years.
The way some speak of him you would think the guy is untouchable and above all criticism. If something goes well then it’s great management by Moyes, but if something goes pear shaped there is always an excuse. To get us to 5th and an Fa Cup Final with the injuries we had was a remarkable achievement but we shouldn’t forget the problems we were having before the injuries occured. With a fully fit squad he proved he wasn’t up to standards. He is still as stubborn and defiant as ever because he knows he will always be defended to the hilt.
The way some speak of him you would think the guy is untouchable and above all criticism. If something goes well then it’s great management by Moyes, but if something goes pear shaped there is always an excuse. To get us to 5th and an Fa Cup Final with the injuries we had was a remarkable achievement but we shouldn’t forget the problems we were having before the injuries occured. With a fully fit squad he proved he wasn’t up to standards. He is still as stubborn and defiant as ever because he knows he will always be defended to the hilt.
Try as I might,I cannot think of a single club in the world who would pay Moyes the £65K a week he is reputed to get at Everton! Believe you me we’re stuck with each other for the duration.
Lots of stuff in here I agree with. Moyes is a very good manager and where I lose patience with some of these comments is when Moyes is blamed for our performances which are basically down to a reserve squad. We are now playing in the most difficult league in the world with a huge disadvantage. We are losing games or playing badly right now because ALL of our midfield fight and creativity is injured. I could manage some of the premiership squads, especially Chelsea because they have a wealth of talent. If we had had no injuries this season I am in no doubt that we would be in the top 5 right now. If you have to blame someone then blame Kenwright. He is the greatest fan but he can’t bankroll the club and he can’t seem to sell it either. I have nothing against him but all of the premiership clubs in the top 6 are rich. Sunderland have millions now and Villa are very quietly are owned by a billionaire and they are not in the top 6. If you don’t have the money, you can’t compete in this league and you cannot judge the manager when the club is skint!
First time on since I posted, so I will answer what I can, obviously in my own opinion.
"or hauling players off if they’re not doing what they’re told" - Like who?
"You cannot pass the blame anywhere else" - I am not trying to , what I am against is the players getting away with it scott free and posters saying it is simply Moyes’s fault.
"Tony,
Are you saying no other manager would come here for £3m a year?" — I never said that, I said who would want to come to us?, that wouldn’t get even more abuse from the fans because he is not a recognised manager and plays footy like Brazil etc etc.
The "He can't haul players off he’s got nobody on the bench, they’re all injured". Well he’s the manager, he should have planned for the worst. He should have looked at what he had, looked at the amount of games they had to play and bought 10 players in ensure he had adequate cover".
"or hauling players off if they’re not doing what they’re told" - Like who?
"You cannot pass the blame anywhere else" - I am not trying to , what I am against is the players getting away with it scott free and posters saying it is simply Moyes’s fault.
"Tony,
Are you saying no other manager would come here for £3m a year?" — I never said that, I said who would want to come to us?, that wouldn’t get even more abuse from the fans because he is not a recognised manager and plays footy like Brazil etc etc.
The "He can't haul players off he’s got nobody on the bench, they’re all injured". Well he’s the manager, he should have planned for the worst. He should have looked at what he had, looked at the amount of games they had to play and bought 10 players in ensure he had adequate cover".
Really? He should have planned for having 10/11 players out and bought 10/11 in just in case? Who’s paying for these players? No doubt they will either be Bosmans or less than £1m, as we couldn’t afford anything else, who will pay their wages for sitting on their arses in case this situation ever arises?
It’s not Footy Manager mate and to say he should have had the foresight for this kind of injury crisis and bought these imaginary cheap but Premier League standard players is just so far off the ranch you have left the country.
"Anybody in a normal job would be sacked for being inept"
One, it’s not a normal job so you can’t compare them; Two, so you have never in your work place dropped below a standard that is so way above what any reasonable person would think it to be then, you have been perfect in every way?
If you are self-employed, have there been times when you wanted the top of the range equipment but have settled for a lesser model because the price is so far out of your range but yet a customer demands the same result as would be given by the better model? The same here, we are an average side with a few decent players, who at the moment are all sidelined so to start spouting out rubbish about planning ahead when there is no money to do so and blaming Moyes for that alone is ridiculous.
The reason we are struggling is because, year after year, he isn’t given the money to spend. FFS, we had to wait for Lescott to be sold before we brought any players in.
We didn’t bring anywhere near enough players in — no cover for left back, no cover for centre half, and no creative players bought. This is down to Kenwright and the joke of a Board we have in place.
We didn’t bring anywhere near enough players in — no cover for left back, no cover for centre half, and no creative players bought. This is down to Kenwright and the joke of a Board we have in place.
Last year we got away with doing our business last minute and not buying enough players. However, this year it’s come home to roost, especially with the injuries we have.
Cascarino is a wanker but I can sort of get the point he’s trying to make. Moyes doesn't get backed and when he does have a few quid, he’s having to buy utility players that can play in several positions. This season, the squad is being found out.
It might not be this season but it’s only a matter of time before you all get what you want and Moyes leaves.
This was always going to be a difficult season. Why can’t we just accept it for what it is, a season of consolidation. The majority of you will say ’We are Everton FC we deserve more than consolidation.’ However let’s face it, it’s been 20 years since we’ve served that.
Brian’s right. If you’re looking for someone to blame look at the board. The stick Moyes gets is unbelieveable.
This was always going to be a difficult season. Why can’t we just accept it for what it is, a season of consolidation. The majority of you will say ’We are Everton FC we deserve more than consolidation.’ However let’s face it, it’s been 20 years since we’ve served that.
Brian’s right. If you’re looking for someone to blame look at the board. The stick Moyes gets is unbelieveable.
Of course the board should shoulder a lot of the blame providing zero funds for the manger this season no matter how much Elstone trys to spin it.
However it is not down to Kenwright that we have not signed one midfielder with pace in Moyes tenure. Last season we went for Obinna and got embroiled in work permit issued but why was there no replacement target, this time around Valencia dicked us about with Banega but yet again there was no replacement lined up.
There are always options open and they dont have to break the bank. Geovanni was available on a free last summer and even this year he could of been picked up for less than 5 million before he signed his new contract, he would have slotted in to our midfield easily
However it is not down to Kenwright that we have not signed one midfielder with pace in Moyes tenure. Last season we went for Obinna and got embroiled in work permit issued but why was there no replacement target, this time around Valencia dicked us about with Banega but yet again there was no replacement lined up.
There are always options open and they dont have to break the bank. Geovanni was available on a free last summer and even this year he could of been picked up for less than 5 million before he signed his new contract, he would have slotted in to our midfield easily
The only way Moyes will ever manage a top 4 side is if he turns Everton into one. Whether Moyes stays or goes, Everton will carry on. Champions next season!
What the big loaf is not understanding is that Moyes is probably very loyal to what he has built at Everton and regardless of his faults will feel massive pride in reaching what ever his idea of success is when reaching it with Everton, rather than walking into a top four side... not that I think anyone other than Man Utd would give him more than a moments consideration...
Nick, he is so loyal that he took that £65k a week and kept his mouth shut.
And Dennis, while I’m sure everyone appreciates your optimism and if you really do believe in omens we will win the title in 2011 because of the 24-year thing — the fact is we haven’t a hope in hell. We will struggle this year as it is. Nevermind building towards a title team.
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