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David Moyes best manager not on a top four team?
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Call me biased, but I tend to think that the Scottish Managers have been the best over the past thirty years. We all know about Sir Alex, and yes every time someone wonders if he’s going to leave, Mr Moyes is linked with the job. But let’s be honest, he’s not going to go. Why would he?
Think about it this way; he can lose a couple matches here and there, and the supporters don’t lose their marbles about him. Maybe it’s because all Toffee fans know that, regardless of the situation, David will get it done. Proof in the pudding last year, he lost all of the strikers, and played Tim Cahill up front. Other managers wouldn’t have thought of that (well maybe Jose Mourinho) — they’d just have pulled someone up from the reserves and dealt with it.
Could part of his genius be that he knows the academy will churn out another superstar every two years? Yes, I know that jerk at Man Utd came through Everton, but look at Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter. Yes, they are very young but when you have players in the first team side like Victor Anichebe, you can always guarantee the guidance to make a player a star.
It’s only a matter of time before he makes Everton a top four team again. Yes, there’s a lot more money in football now than when Howard Kendall did it, but with a few breaks he can do it. Sooner or later, Man Utd will fall apart, Chelsea will get old, Arsenal is too young, and well Spurs aren’t talented enough. With Arteta, and Tim Howard, there always is that chance of the return to greatness that the supporters so yearn for.
Stephen Brandt, Posted 08/11/2009 at 18:37:42
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Nope... think Moyes shades that one...
Now thinking about how many times Redknapp and O’Neill finished in the top four... Moyes has done that too.
And don’t give me any crap about O’Neills trophies at Celtic... fuck me... even Walter Smith was successful managing an Old Firm team
Nice optimism Ben, even if a little OTT... makes a nice change from the bottomless pit of misery you usually get on here.
You say Arsenal are too young? doesnt that mean in a few years they will be even better, which is quite a feat considering how good they are currently playing. Also, Man U are too big to fall apart. You're like the optimistic coffee shop proprietor saying ’people will stop going Starbucks eventually’. Chelsea will buy new players.
However, I wouldn’t say Redknapp or O’Neill are better.
Redknapp has always spent a lot of money, when the cash dries up he leaves as he runs out of ideas.
Tactically, Spurs against Sunderland were absolutely woeful. They have 3 injured players and he starts saying how difficult it is, despite having one of the most expensive squads in the league.
Ask Pompey, he spent millions on lots of average players and now they are suffering from it. A couple like Diarra and Defoe made profits, many others he bought for £4-5 million and ended up on free transfers.
O’Neill has spent far more than Moyes has, yet still has a small squad and Everton have had more success.
They are both good managers, but I think Moyes is at least as good as both. Personally I think he is better. If those teams suffered injury problems like we have I feel they too would be low down in the league.
We are not too far behind them. And when Pienaar and Arteta return, we will play good attractive football. Arteta, Pienaar, Heitinga and Fellaini with either Bily/Rodwell (if 4-5-1) or Yak and Saha (4-4-2) is created by Moyes, is skillfull, creative and attacking. and unbelievable value for money.
They are all good managers, but Moyes is the youngest and least experienced. He does play negative at times, but it has been necessary recently, as we simply haven’t had the creative players available to play a positive attacking game.
I’ll just pick up on the idea of a ’top four’ manager.
MUFC have their Scot who has earned his corn with many a trophy over a very long period of time.
Les Français du Londres Nord have Wenger who has an excellent record, but partly based on his inheritance rather than his imports.
Chelski? Have had more managers than tea ladies since the roubles arrived. Whatever is going on there, ’the manager’ cannot be the reason for their recent record.
And finally, our old mate, El Rotundo across the park. Bought so many players that he probably can’t remember all their names. Proof that money can’t buy you love.
Mark Hughes, kept on by the money-no-object new ownership at Middle Eastlands, looks very uncomfortable to me. He has professional pride. And that is how I suspect Moyes would be in the same situation. When they replace Hughes at the end of the season they won't come for Davey, it will have to be a ’top’ coach from Italy or Spain. Por Dios.
Optimism for a fucking change, I love it!!
People on here are gloomy most of the time, but they are the people spending the money and going the games and seeing first hand the shite we endure nearly every game so what do you expect? It wears people down, we finish each season with so much hope and as usual we are knocked back down.
I walked out of that ground on Thursday and wanted the season over, it has been horrible and no offence Stephen but it,s not going to happen — the demise of those sides — and we will be lucky to finish top eight.
Sorry, Stephen but there is optimism, which is fine, and then there’s delusion which isn’t.
In my view, David Moyes is stale at Everton but finances dictate that he’s here as long as he wants. Unless, of course, someone should offer him a new challenge that he can’t resist.
How about Birmingham with all their new money? Then, we could bring in someone less cautious with a bit of flair. Before anyone asks, "like who?" — I would suggest that, with £3.5 million on offer, we will be spoiled for choice.
I was delighted we won yesterday, ugly and lucky as it was, but we’ve been like this for too long. The lack of strength in the squad is not some act of God — it’s due to two summers of ineptitude.
Look at how long he kept mediocrities like Carsley & Kilbane in the side. Even players like Neville, Osman, Hibbert, etc are not good enough to perform at the highest level.
Moyes is good at the battling game but, like the team, is out of his depth at the highest level, if we saw what Benfica did to the Toffees.
I wonder how many would play him right and left wing.
"Chelsea will get old, but Arsenal are too young?"
Most confusing article of the year.
It only goes to prove that Moyes gets more out of his players than other managers and perhaps if he had the chance bring in more quality we would be competing more regularly at the highest level. After all, I can't remember O’Neill or Redknapp finishing above Moyes.
Love it!
Points accumulated in full seasons since Moyes took over:
Manchester United - 584
Chelsea - 583
Arsenal - 541
Liverpool - 494
Everton - 395
Tottenham -369
Villa - 362
Newcastle - 347
A little over optosmistic maybe, but at least you’re heading in the right direction.
And who said ’Arry Redknapp is better, surely this is a wind-up? When was the last time either West Ham, Southampton, Portsmouth, Spurs finished above us? And as for O’Neill, last season Villa were in the top 5 of spending in Europe, where did they finish?
Some people on this site need to be careful what they wish for.
What an assinine turn of phrase...If you wish for something then clearly it’s what you want!
I wish for Everton to be a decent and entertaining team....Why in the name of good fuck should I be careful with that wish!
You’re one funny guy!!
Yeah, sack him! He’s crap! Lets bring in
I’m sorry but the comment about Wenger being the manager is ridiculous, how many Arsene Wenger’s are there? Just who would do this "better job"? Name one.
Really? one of the greatest managers in English Football history would do a better job.
Well, we know who the genius of this site is.
I also heard that Pele, if he was playing and 27 would be much better than Louis Saha. And Cryuff would be far better than Pienaar.
So we need to get rid of those two straight away!
My main point is what a manager does when he’s at a ’big club’. Does he show the necessary vision and ambition to go all the way? I would bet you that both Aston Villa & Spurs are going to be above Everton this season.
Harry has shown he can mix it with the big boys: ruthless with underperformers like Pavlyuchenko and tactically astute. The quality of play also counts a lot. Both Villa & Spurs play attractive passing football (most of the time).
Where are the ball players that Moyes has brought in? It’s in the mind where his problem lies not with the lack of money. In this way he’s similar to Allardyce who was good at Bolton & Blackburn but couldn’t cut it at a big club like Newcastle.
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