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Where has the famous team spirit gone?

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Where has the famous team spirit gone? I’ll tell ya in four words: There’s no Phil Neville!

We all know the press love to harp on about the “Everton Way”. The unity and bond that 11 players have for each other and how that gets a result beyond the norm! That repetitive good press began to really irritate me at its height last season but now I long for it back.

Yesterday, at the game (WHUFC v EFC) when it was 0-0, you could clearly see Everton players having a dig at each other. Not the positive kind of “come on mate let’s get this done” but the negative kind of “what the fuck is going on?”

That really worried me and, although we beat our whipping boys on their own turf again, it made me ask, "Where had our famous spirit gone?" My deliberated conclusion was Captain Marvell was missing.

OK, I can hear the screams of laughter coming from some quarters (Neville bashers) but I tell ya this; if I where on the Titanic when the inevitable happened, guess who I would want to be with? My chances of survival would significantly increase because his ability to perform against the odds would get me though. And I bet you this, he would get others off at his own expense too.

Yeah, as romantic as it sounds, simply his presence on the field helps composure and his presence of mind helps guide when the going gets tougher than most can handle. I for one would want him on the pitch if I where on the pitch as well.

I know he has his weaknesses, but don’t we all? And I too have been up in arms when he gave the ball away cheaply... but it’s his glue (that I never knew existed) that I missed then, and we as a team are missing now.

This two-week break will help on the injury front and I for one hope to hear his name on our next team sheet along with the more obvious others.
Karl Parsons, Liverpool     Posted 09/11/2009 at 06:40:05

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Jon Leavitt
1   Posted 09/11/2009 at 14:29:41

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Totally agree we need Pip in the side.... but at right-back — not in midfield.
Nick Entwistle
2   Posted 09/11/2009 at 14:39:20

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I’m all for The Neville. Football aside, he does earn his place in the team through being a captain fantastic...
Andy Morden
3   Posted 09/11/2009 at 15:08:17

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He’s a lifeguard too? Is there no end to the man’s talents?????
Ciarán McGlone
4   Posted 09/11/2009 at 15:30:59

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Phil Neville can’t swim...

The inevitable scratching around in the dirt for an excuse for average players — being average — has been going on for some time now...

Phil Neville has been on the touchline screaming during several of our games... Net result: zilch.
Mike Gwyer
5   Posted 09/11/2009 at 15:37:26

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We already have a zillion DMs playing, therefore adding our Phil is not the answer.

I would imagine that the lack of creativity is the reason behind the on-field bust-ups. Two passes and the opposition usually have the ball back.

We need creativity, someone who can control & pass. To be honest I’m pissing sick of DMs.
Ciarán McGlone
6   Posted 09/11/2009 at 15:47:37

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"I would imagine that the lack of creativity is the reason behind the on field bust ups. 2 passes and the opposition usually have the ball back."



HOORAY!!!!!!!

Are you available for an open top tour? Because some of our fans really need to have this explained...

We have a midfield that has little creativity and struggles to find any cohesion or a passing game... the answer — of course —- Phil Neville!
Gavin Ramejkis
7   Posted 09/11/2009 at 15:53:35

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Ciaran, got to agree with giving that man a coconut but add to it, the team isn’t the same most weeks and players out of position or unbalanced with far too many defensive midfield players then as at the Boleyn Ground you see them looking at each other like the frigging chuckle brothers - "to me, to you".

I also found myself screaming with the five mins of stoppage time at the end and the defence’s only tactic was to twat it as far away as they could instead of trying to keep hold of the bloody thing and run the clock down instead.

Ben Jones
8   Posted 09/11/2009 at 16:37:41

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Ciaran, you got to admit, as little creativity as Neville has, we have missed his drive and his leadership. The second half against Benfica is an example, after they scored, we were just flat and didn’t look interested. Neville wouldn’t have had any of that if he was playing.

I do agree with you though, I’d much rather him right back instead of midfield.
Eugene Ruane
9   Posted 09/11/2009 at 16:42:51

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Not sure.....but not to City.
Jon Leavitt
10   Posted 09/11/2009 at 16:11:28

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Can I hold the coconut?

All I want Everton to do is pass, move and pass.. I have been pulling my hair out as well with the lack of simple play only from which pace and creativity and attacking football can flow.
Here’s my warped vision:

Howard
Neville Yobo Jags Baines
Pienaar Arteta Bily
Fellaini
Yakubu Saha

With that team we will gel, pass, get creative, win. Pip doesn't need to be creative just pass it to bloody midfield. Keep it simple.
Aaaaargh... yes I know, I’ll get me coat...

Ciarán McGlone
11   Posted 09/11/2009 at 17:02:12

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Did I not see Mr Neville on the sidelines at Goodison during the Benfica match giving his version of ’leadership’???
Dennis Stevens
12   Posted 09/11/2009 at 17:11:14

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I think the malaise goes deeper than a lack of leadership on the field. Unfortunately, I think Moyes has some work to do to regain the team spirit that the Everton squad has epitomised for most of his tenure.

My hunch is that the contibutory factors are the way in which the Lescott deal was (mis-)handled, the dependancy upon new players, kids and barely fit again players... and the fact that the team are struggling so badly. Of course, that lack of team-spirit only makes it all the more likely that the team will continue to struggle — a bit of a Catch-22.

Let’s hope Moyes can turn it around again, as he seemed to after the departure of Rooney, as the team-spirit and never-say-die attitude is a key part of what makes Moyes’s teams so effective.

Failing that he may have to try and get them to actually play football!

Jon Leavitt
13   Posted 09/11/2009 at 17:24:44

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Maybe we add to the problem by being so bloody negative and critical all the time. Lighten up & support us instead of slagging us off all the time. I am true blue by choice from about 8 or 9...

Oh bollocks I dropped me nuts and Tony Marsh is at the door!

Gerry Western
14   Posted 09/11/2009 at 20:20:14

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Karl,
Apart from Neville’s ability to provide cover at right back I’m not sure what else he brings to the party. Much is being made of our recent results and his absence however, its worth remembering we were struggling to get results prior to his injury. Following his injury we actually achieved some decent results only to slip back again due to injuries to Piennar and Baines. However, Hetinga is fast inproving as tough tackling midfielder and Neill now affords us another option at RB.

Decision time for Moyes, I hope he gets this one right though I fear he may not. Incidently the sight of Everton players having a go at each other is nothing new hence I wouldn’t go reading too much into that.
Alan Kirwin
15   Posted 09/11/2009 at 20:28:44

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It’s very simple. The observation about Neville is entirely valid. Proven too many times on last two years to even bother re-explaining.

But furthermore, we are missing two other vital ingredients that support on-field success. The first is simply continuity, the momentum that comes from knowing each other’s game. No surprise that’s gone awol of late.

The other perhaps more important thing that is stuffing us is the absence of captains on the field. Take a snapshot at anytime in our recent successful runs of last 2 - 3 seasons. You will see the team full of on-field captains from Howard, through Jags, Lescott, Arteta, Pienaar, Neville, even Carsley. These are players with ability, presence and bollocks. It doesn’t need explaining when you understand the dynamics of team sport. Especially so with a team ostensibly of "no stars".

However depressed I have been with recent perforrmances, I have not kidded myself into thinking that this is how it actually is now. I have zero doubt that when (hopefully not if) we get a full squad back and especially the guys with the biggest bollocks, we will be on the rise.

You may think my post is all bollocks.....and you’d be right.
Dermot Ryan
16   Posted 09/11/2009 at 21:16:41

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Being a bit of a sad loser, I rewatched our games with Neville up to his injury (against Fulham) and my sense is that, although he is very passionate, he’s often very poor. Constantly passes the ball to the opposition and makes rash, unnecessary tackles just outside our box.

I do think there is a huge leadership vacuum at the moment (and I don’t think handing the captain’s armband to Osman, Yobo, or Cahill sends the right message), but I just don’t think Neville is going to restore our game. I think more players than Saha playing beautiful, effective, and intelligent football is going to help most. When top players feel they are not isolated and when hardworkers know that there team has more than one quality player, the whole team benefits. We need some players to play with some consistent quality: We desperately need Pienaar back and Bily to step up.

I have to say I was encouraged by Distan’s passion yesterday. Particularly after Hibbert "scored." Of course, I don’t think he should be captain, but I do think he is trying to provide leadership at the back.

And I think Heitenga was an absolute animal in all the right ways. I think every midfield can use a complete bruiser. And his passing is often impressive. But, like too many of our players at the moment, he doesn’t always look confident and he isn’t consistent for the 90 minutes.

Folks I think are badly off form in crucial areas: Baines (going foward) and Cahill (in front of the net AND that is the only place he earns his place, in my opinion).

Although I didn’t think he had a great game, it was amazing to watch Jack R barging up the field and into the box. Why doesn’t he do that more often?

Finally, a real question (and not a sly knock on Fellaini): What position did we think we were filling or did we think F would play when we bought him? In short, what is his natural position?
Jon Leavitt
17   Posted 09/11/2009 at 21:29:48

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Ho Humm.... My Granny thinks your post is all bollocks too & she wants your phone number! Don’t worry she’s a bit mental so you can dribble together in the corner & try to clap when we win something.
Jon Leavitt
18   Posted 09/11/2009 at 22:06:54

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Granny agrees with Dermot and not that nasty Alan person. Things have got a bit out of hand since the fire has set light to the Duvet and we are all running around screaming.
Gerard Carey
19   Posted 09/11/2009 at 22:18:43

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Think a lot of our troubles start mid summer, no new players brought in till season is started, and some of them cuptied. Seems to be a recurring problem with us.
Pat Finegan
20   Posted 10/11/2009 at 02:39:05

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In 10 years we will all be talking about Nev as the best manager in Europe. This guy has potential for years to come after he calls it quits on the pitch. He might not be Ronaldinho but we are lucky to have his leadership.

As impressed as I’ve been with Cahill as captain, Nev is without question our leader and he is sorely missed. I don’t want to think that our lack of form lately has been caused by the absence of one player but it just might be. No one seems to know what exactly is going on and it just might be Nev that is the glue in our side.

Dermot: I feel you when it comes to Fellaini. Is he a midfielder? No, he doesn’t come back on Defense enough. Striker? not enough speed or raw shooting ability. I would say his natural position is a back striker and that’s where I think he is most useful.

James Boden
21   Posted 10/11/2009 at 11:45:24

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As much as we all may want to think otherwise the fact is we have missed Neville’s presence and leadership. The sooner he returns the better.
Ciarán McGlone
22   Posted 10/11/2009 at 11:45:26

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’In 10 years we will all be talking about Nev as the best manager in Europe. ’
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What exactly are you basing this fabulous piece of soothsaying on?
Ed Fitzgerald
23   Posted 10/11/2009 at 12:35:12

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Oh Dear

Things are at a sorry state when we start to believe that the rerurn of Phil Neville heralds a return to form. Did you watch his performances from the start of the season, he was bloody dreadful as he often is.

The reality is that we don’t have that many creative and skilful players and those that we have here are often maligned by our wonderful fans Arteta, Pienaar and now Bily.

I am with Dennis Stevens on this one, we could try changing the brand of football we play it’s awful to watch and sadly whilst we persist with it there will always be a place for a team full of Phil Nevilles.
Pat Finegan
24   Posted 10/11/2009 at 15:56:24

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Ciaran, I don’t have any facts to base that one on but I would be utterly shocked if Nev didn’t find himself in a manager’s role after he’s done playing. He’s one of the best in the business in the captain’s role and those skills will transfer well to the managerial role. It’s not a fact, it’s more of an educated guess.
Ciarán McGlone
25   Posted 10/11/2009 at 17:21:16

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Bryan Robson was a cracking captain.

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