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Oman vs Australia

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In the first 10 minutes, Australian right full back Rhys Williams conceded a penalty and was sent off. Brett Emerton switched from midfield to full back, Cahill switched from a striking role to midfield and got forward when possible. Oman made full use of their extra man played a fast incisive game that sliced through the Aussie defence seemingly at will.

A combination of brilliant saves by Swartzer and desperate defending by Lucas Neil and veteran Craig Moore saved it from becoming a rout. On the stroke of half time Wiltshire scrambled a lucky equaliser then in the dying minutes Emerton scored the winner with a powerful low drive that was an absolute cracker.

With half an hour to go, Cahill was replaced, I can only assume it was because of his enormous work rate to that point. He did not appear to be happy at being subbed but did not seem to be injured.

Lucas Neill put in a very good shift but on occasion was caught out for speed. He also finish up seemingly uninjured.

This win should guarantee Australias entry into the next stage of the Asian Cup without the need to call on its European based players.
Dick Fearon, Western Australia     Posted 14/11/2009 at 19:48:51

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Paul Niklas
1   Posted 15/11/2009 at 16:45:33

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Who Cares, Australia is of no interest to anyone.

Club only matters!!!!!
Michael Kenrick
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2   Posted 15/11/2009 at 16:51:23

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Paul, this website caters for all Evertonians wherever they are in the world. That includes a significant number who reside in Australia and whose pride in Everton is boosted by having now not one but TWO of our players in their national team.

It may not be your cup of tea, but there’s no excuse for your dismissive attitude that demonstrates a pathetic ignorance of the breadth, depth and diversity of parts of the wider Evertonian family. Consider yourself yellow-carded!
Dave Wilson
3   Posted 15/11/2009 at 16:45:09

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Marvelous.

Lucas Neil takes an eternity to get fit, then goes and gets injured playing in a nonentity of a competition, we need these guys.

The Aussies could have dragged a team from Bondi beach to beat this crew.

WTF is going on
Lynn Thorne
4   Posted 15/11/2009 at 18:40:18

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Dave — he said Lucas Neill seemed UNINJURED.
I also like to hear how our players are doing, nice to see so many of them doing well.
Dave Wilson
5   Posted 15/11/2009 at 18:52:40

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Lynne, I know, I was looking at worst case senario.

My point is: Australia’s 3rd 4th and 5th choices would beat this lot. I become an Aussie supporter when our boys are playing for them against top teams (England aside) but we’ve got Man U this week, was there really any need?
Dave Wilson
6   Posted 15/11/2009 at 19:00:43

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Apologies for misspelling your name Lynn — force of habit.
Lynn Thorne
7   Posted 15/11/2009 at 19:44:22

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Sorry Dave - I didn’t get the irony. Take your point. It is frustrating that our players are travelling all over the world when they could do with a rest!
Russell Buckley
8   Posted 15/11/2009 at 21:01:10

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Dave, did you watch the match.

Oman are a decent side. Their defence isn’t the best but they are full of players with good technique and they are very very fast.

When you're a man down, defending against a team like that in heat isn’t the easiest. Personally I could have seen our second string of the A-Leauge players being smashed.

We won as a result of the experience of you old headed euro stars. Oman won the Gulf Cup recently.
Trevor Williams
9   Posted 15/11/2009 at 22:05:40

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Christ, if players want to play for their countries then let them. It was a good run out for the two of them. The very same people are raving about Billy scoring a brace and how that may give him confidence so it works both ways.
Bill Goodall
10   Posted 15/11/2009 at 22:05:45

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A nonentity of a competition! Showing your ignorance there Dave. But of course we would all prefer players to go play for England in huge friendlies against the might of Trinidad and Tobago like Jags did to get his first cap. Or even huge world football power Albania in his B international call up. Yep that's where I want Everton players risking injury...
Dave Wilson
11   Posted 15/11/2009 at 22:04:48

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No, Russell, I didn’t see the game, but assumed — wrongfully by the sound of it — that it would be a breeze. I stand corrected.
Dick Fearon
12   Posted 15/11/2009 at 21:57:15

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Dave, Our club is always referred to in Australian media as Tim Cahill’s Everton. If it were not for that, 20 million Australians would only ever hear about the Sky Four. All bar three of Australia’s current senior squad in Oman and most of the Omani team play for top European clubs.

Aside from home supporters and a contingent that were obviously Aussies, TV cameras picked out a number of very interested non-aligned yet keenly interested watchers. Among them were two Premier League managers. While dozens of international games were played all over the world, those non partisan onlookers were not in Oman merely for the fun of it.

Dave, you should take really good look at what's going on in the Premier League. All other clubs are rebuilding or refurbishing and attracting massive investment. It is the small-minded parochial attitudes that condemn our club to a continuing struggle for existence in a decrepit Victorian hulk in a conjested run-down area of the same vintage. If blokes like you do not change your attitude, soon we won’t be singing about our ’istry’, we will be buried with it.

Dennis Karanikolopoulos
13   Posted 16/11/2009 at 02:33:05

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Oman played some sensational stuff in both legs and had the Aussies on the back foot... to be honest we were lucky in both games.

If you ask me, Oman had a speedy winger that carved Lucas Neill and I was thinking to myself, boy Everton could use someone like that with pace to break a team open... at the moment we appear too pedestrian with Cahill playing wide and Rodwell, Fellaini and Heitinga in the middle.

Instead of dismissing teams like Oman, we should be looking at the jewels we could unearth as it’s clearly evident we don’t have the cash to buy ready made big names.
Dave Wilson
14   Posted 16/11/2009 at 06:36:54

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Dick, In 1986 Neville Southall suffered a serious injury playing for Wales against Ireland, that injury cost us at least one trophy. Since then, I have never liked Everton players playing international football. That "attitude" was hardened just recently when young Vaughany pick up the injuries that look like jeopardising all his early promise.

I often hear people on here talking about the strength of Aussie football, I believed they could have won the game without Everton players, Russell told me otherwise and I accepted what he told me.

You can't possible believe that Cahill and Neill playing for Australia can have any effect on Evertons "istory" or even future, but we have to go to OT on Saturday so it can certainly effect the present.

If Cahill and Neill play the next 20 games for Austrailia it won't change Everton's fortunes, only a forward thinking board can do that.

Parochial? No. Selfish? Very definitely.

Scott Mongomery
15   Posted 16/11/2009 at 11:27:38

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Paul Niklas, give yourself an uppercut.

Australia and their fortunes may not matter to you but it does to me. I'm an Australian & Everton supporter for over 30 years. I'm delighted that 2 of my countrymen play for the greatest club on earth... and proud to be one of its many passionate, loyal, insightful supporters.

Then there's you. You're quite obviously a moron. Enough said.

I'll take the Yellow Card, Mr Kenrick sir, with thanks.
Max Meindl
16   Posted 16/11/2009 at 13:02:03

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Wow, what a silly thing to say that if if Everton’s status outside of England does not improve it will not benefit the club. If there were a million supporters of Everton in Australia, the amount of revenue that could be created, which in turn would help buy additional players, which in turn obviously helps the club to improve...

What a small-minded thought process.

I can give an example. I recently flew to Liverpool from Cape Town to see an Everton game live. Unfortunately we lost. But what struck me is that it was almost impossible to get on a Stadium tour. This is obviously because there are so few people who actually want to go on one. This is not because it won’t interest an Everton fan but that there are so few foreign fans visiting Liverpool to see them.

Whereas I was able to go to Anfield because they run almost 10 a day instead of 2 a week. On my tour there were 45 people who all except for me were carrying Liverpool bags with a whole bunch of goodies that they had purchased. Wow that happens every day. The amount of income will buy Liverpool at least 1 player next season because of that.

So I understand that international games might injure a player but, in the long run, the more players we have playing international football, the more we get foreign exposure.

Since Pienaar joined Everton, I no longer get blank stares when I tell people I support Everton, they actually know the team and even other players on the team.

A Proud Evertonian for 30 years.

Pat Finegan
17   Posted 17/11/2009 at 01:05:31

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Max is right on. I’ve supported Everton for about 4 years now. I’m an American college student. No one knows what Everton is until i say "It’s the team that Tim Howard plays for."

I am as die hard as any of y’all and those of us that support from overseas have an impact on the team’s finances as well. If Cahill and Neill can go out and make some more Evertonians, I’m all for it because it does, in fact, help our team in the long run.

Michael Tracey
18   Posted 17/11/2009 at 03:52:04

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Any Everton player playing for a national side can only give Everton more chance of exposure. The small town, small mind attitude of some of the posters above demonstrates their ignorance.

Why is an Asian Cup qualifier not deemed important? The Asian Cup is an important tournament and in terms of the number of nations who attempt to qualify is second only in size to the World Cup. Football is changing my friends and these so-called weak nations are getting stronger.

Dave Wilson
19   Posted 17/11/2009 at 06:30:09

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Max

Fair play to you for making the journey mate, I’m impressed, but you’ve got it wrong mate, Liverpool have the demand for so many tours because they have won fans from all over the world by winning seven European trophies.
If having players from all around the world generated the income you refer to, there would be a demand for tours at every club in the prem.
Many Australians will get a buzz out of time Cahill doing well here but if they support Lpool/Arsenal/Man U or anyone else for that matter, they wont change their allegiance just because the Tiger spends a few seasons here

Michael Tracey

The Small town , Small minded ignorance is all yours mate. When a major tournament is played in Europe or South America the Nations virtually grind to a standstill come kick off. On my travels I’ve seen enough to know that in South Africa,USA and Australian, "the second most important tournament" will only generate interest amongst the majority, if there’s no cricket/Rugby/ Basketball/ Baseball etc going on. football is down the pecking order, that will not change - even with the WC in SA

The amount of cash poured into the Everton coffers from Australia because Lucas Neil plays for us, wouldn’t be enough to pay the guy who is trying to get him fit
Michael Tracey
20   Posted 17/11/2009 at 08:54:12

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Dave,
You are talking crap and your ignorance is showing again.
Association Football is the most participated sport in Australia and has more juniors than any other sport (fact)
Basketball and baseball are not major sports in Australia both leagues have gone bust in the last few years. Cricket (obviously, the only true national game which is strong in all states) and Rugby(mainly NSW and QLD) and AFL (WA, SA, Victoria and Tasmania) are very strong. When the last World Cup was on and the Socceroos were playing the whole nation was captivated. National morning newspapers were held back from print to show the Australian results. (games were on in the wee early hours of the morning). This has not been done for any other sport in this country.
You do have a small minded view of this and you don’t really have much of an understanding of the situation. I will not comment on The USA or SA as I wouldn’t know how they feel about football, I like to have some fact not spout like you constantly do.
Nice unnessary jibe at Lucas Neill, at least we know that this Everton RB will be going to the World Cup and not sitting on his arse like you mate Mr Million Caps.
Dave Wilson
21   Posted 17/11/2009 at 09:56:04

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Michael Tracey

I’m begining to think you have never left your shores, the world does not start and end in Austrailia you know, you really do have to try and get your head around that fact.
When I refered to Baseball, basketball cricket and Rugby I was talking about South Africa and USA Too.

I was there for the world cup and a coupkle of Million diehards football fans staying up to watch your team play does not constitute the nation "being captivated" and how many would have bothered if the socceroos hadnt qualified ? or if the ashes was taking place at the same time.

I mentioned Lucas Neil because he represented a perfect example of how little a difference him playing for the Socceroos made to Everton. Still, it gave you another chance to slag off our first choice right back didnt it ?
Not sure why Neil wont be sitting on his arse just because he’s going ? . . .didnt stop him last time when he cost you the world cup did it ?
Max Meindl
22   Posted 17/11/2009 at 10:47:54

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Dave

I would have to disagree with you about football in South Africa. Football is by far the number 1 sport. The hype around the world cup has been huge for the last 3 years and is becoming fever pitch. Unfortunately the reason why it may not look as big is because the Rugby Union is a well run organisation and the Football Union are bloody useless.

The vast amount of South African might not support football by going to live games like one finds in Europe because the average wage in SA is 150 dollars a month.

But when we had the Confederations Cup, which lets be honest in world terms is a small tournament the fans really saved up and spent their hard earned money to see games. It helps that they have given a lot of tickets at really reduced rates to poorer people.

All you need to do is go see a Kaizer Chiefs (The UK band is named after them) play against Pirates and you will see 80 000 people who are more passionate than any other supporter I have seen in the world and I have seen a lot of football games around Europe and South America.

And I disagree about that only Liverpool has these tours. Arsenal and Chelsea and even Tottenham have quite a few tours. And lets ben honest how often has Arsenal won Europe?

I was reading about the financial position of the Football (soccer) league in the US and you would be surprised by how much the league is increasing their revenues. If only 15 percent of their population became fans that would be more in the whole of the UK.

I really do understand your view but I do think that you are not really seeing the bigger financial view.

Next year will one of the greatest years our country has ever had. And I guarantee that the country will be behind the tournament like no other before it.
Dave Wilson
23   Posted 17/11/2009 at 11:18:25

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Max

Terrific post, I can almost feel the enthusiasm you feel for the game. I have no doubt you guys will put on a world cup to remember.
I understand the point you are making about the average wage and think its incredible that the Kaizer Chiefs vs Pirates can still draw crowds of 80,000.

Like Austrailia, Your country is famous around the world for its passion for sport.
However I cant be swayed by your argument that Having players like Pienaar in our side will make that much difference to Evertons fortunes.
If its a choice between him playing for his country or helping Everton to win some silverware then I would take the latter every time, winning trophies is what will raise Evertons profile.

Spurs Arsenal and Chelsea have all won European trophies too, two of them contest the Premiership anually and possibly more significantly they are based in a capital wich attracts millions more tourist and has 10 times our population

You have however educated me. I have this dream of travelling the world combining holidays with great sporting events when I retire - keep the old girl happy too - and the game between Kaizer chiefs and Pirates has been placed on a list of possiblities

Sorry if my post sounds very selfish . . .but thats how I feel about Everton
Michael Tracey
24   Posted 17/11/2009 at 11:34:55

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Dave Wilson,
It was an unecessary dig at Lucas Neill. Lucas Neill cost us the World Cup did he? Yeah well i guess when the referee gets duped by a diving Italian striker then yeah I guess he did cost us the World Cup. Don’t ever complain again about Steven Gerrard diving in derbys and getting players sent off if thats how you view things.

I have left Australia many times, have you even ventured from outside your council estate in Walton? I have lived and worked in South East Asia, England and Europe. I have been to Goodison many times and watched Everton at many away games. I guess going to Blackpool for a day really gets you excited, or yet still how about the Lakes District? Correct the world does not start and end in Austrailia far from but small mindedness does start and finish with you. I just don’t like people like yourself constantly implying that because they are Australia then players shouldn’t play for them and should sit at home like your Tony and wait for the next Everton game. The 2002 World Cup in Korea and Japan was on in prime time in Australia and was top rating.
I am sorry Dave but the last World Cup I was in both Perth and Melbourne and when the Socceroos were on everybody was watching. Where were you visiting relatives in Tasmania no doubt! Max from South Africa has already disagreed with your typically small minded comments that you seem to think are’fact when you couldn’t of been any further from the truth. Stick to things you know about like Giros and shopping at Lidl.
You have suddenly appeared on Toffeeweb and all of a sudden you seem to think that you are voice of reason, when really you are just the voice of change your argument to suit what you last posted.
Max Meindl
25   Posted 17/11/2009 at 14:03:53

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Come on guys, I think you both are losing the point of both your sides.

I think that we won’t be able to win much unless we get more money and I think the only we can get more money is by trying to increase our supporter base around the world.

And lets hope some how we can buy or loan a player or 2 in Jan because otherwise we will be in relegation.

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