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The Crossroads is reached
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Wednesday night 25th November 2009 may well go down as one of the most pivotal dates in Everton's long history.
On the pitch, we were beaten last night by a poor team who just got the basics right. The results are now starting to match the performances. Players are starting to hide, are underperforming or just not good enough. All of those issues are down to Moyes and Round. If we do well for the rest of the season now, we will be lucky to get a top 6 finish and progress a bit further in Europe. On the evidence thus far both objectives are laughable and Moyes' himself has raised the spectre of a relegation battle.
We were all hoping that on the pitch, we would make a decent fist of competing with the Villa, Man City and Spurs. More likely we will be relieved to win some of our remaining home games, sneak the odd draw away from Goodison and survive.
Off the pitch, the evening was also memorable for the news on the DK decision. I had originally voted for the move, but increasingly found myself wishing I hadn't. So I had mixed emotions last night; on one hand I was sort of relieved (at least I wouldn't have to endure Tesco bags floating across the pitch on Sunday and 'The City's all ours' from the RS Norwegian brigade) on the other hand I could just see us teetering on a precipice, because, of course we don't have a Plan B.
It is this lack of an alternative strategy which is most damning for both Kenwright and also his management team. In fact it's 'criminally' negligent and a major failure in their duty as Directors and guardians of our great Club. In my opinion it leaves Kenwright and his fellow Directors lacking in all credibility and they cannot continue on that basis.
Worse still it has left Moyes with his hands tied. He will be fuming this morning and not just at the performances on the pitch. He will be feeling duped by Kenwright et al. He will now feel that he's kept faith, has not had that faith met and as such will understandably feel open to offers from elsewhere.
This mail isn't about whether he should stay or go, or whether he is the right manager for us after 7 years at the helm. It's about a crossroads reached, a tipping point, where events seem to be colliding to take the Club (and by implication us supporters) along a route which could otherwise have been very different.
I suspect that a rather large rock as just been thrown into our pond and it won't create ripples so much as tsunami waves. This might be for the good (new investment, new manager who continues our upward curve, new stadium in the heart of the City) or it might just be our worst nightmare (the perpetuation of the current regime, the erosion of the playing squad, a new manager who can't arrest the decline or manage on penny scraps and a stadium which falls down around our ears).
Let's hope it's the former and let's do everything we can to make sure it is.
Steve Guy, Posted 26/11/2009 at 10:36:20
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As for the stadium, without the Tesco millions we will be going cap in hand to the RS for help. Unless Liverpool (sorry for using that word) City Council have a better idea - any idea?
MADNESS
Why wasn’t Hunt sent off for stamping on Pienaar? Or at least carded for kicking the ball away thereafter. Refs are a joke.
I live in the Everton real world just like the many of us who new the start of season we where going to have when Doddy was telling us all would be fine.
His bumchum relationship with Chelski’s megarich oligarch (does that mean gangster?) owner suggests that he is heading for Walton - either of them, that is.
Wednesday night 25th November 2009 will not go down as a pivotal date in Everton’s history.
Its simply a date when Everton lost an away fixture. Thats it. We lost an away fixture by an odd goal.
A year from now we’ll hardly remember it.
Pop quiz hotshot:-
16th June 2008 remember that date? Everton lost at home to Blackburn on the opening day of the season.
30th June 2008? You remember that one? Everton were stuffed 0-3 at home by Portsmouth.
24th November 2008? Everton lose to Wigan.
The reason we don’t remember these dates? Because we went on to finish 5th and reach the FA Cup final. Nobody remembers the individual games no matter how disappointing they are.
The fact is Everton have finished 5th the last two seasons. Surely we should see where they end up this season before judging Moyes.
Under no circumstances can I get on board with a stadium share with LFC! If that ends up being the outcome of all this then the season ticket goes in the bin. I don’t think I am alone in this sentiment, either!
It is agreed that Goodison can’t stay the way it is - so for those who don’t want a shared stadium, what is the alternative?
On a broader front, Dick, the last time stadia were an issue on Merseyside, it led to the birth of a second team across Stanley Park. Pretty pivotal I’d say.....and how ironic if our current malaise and their’s forced the two back into one stadium.
The mail was not judging Moyes specifically as I was at pains to say, I was just trying to get a little above the for and against arguments on any level (manager or Kenwright or stadium) and just point out that the next few months are critical to Everton’s long term future as the decisions which both Moyes and Kenmwright and his Directors make will affect us all for good or bad; we just don’t know which yet.
Either way he’s split the fans and fractured the club with this farce. He’s come up with no viable alternative or contingency plan by pinning all his hopes on a project bound for failure. He’s consistently failed to back his manager in the transfer market leaving it to the last day each time to disrupt his manager’s preparations for each new season. He has only kept the club afloat by selling the clubs top players - Rooney and Lescott. It is also likely our next up and coming star, Rodwell, will be sold.
Surely now, everyone can agree that this man is the root cause of Everton’s problems. He sits at the helm. It’s Kenwright’s mess and it’s about time we started holding him accountable.
They where not my cup of tea at times, but good god our club told us nothing but lies and now because some Granada reporter says, 131 years of Everton is in trouble of dissapearing, i give up.
If you are referring to the design that places a corporate entertainment ’block’ on the area now occupied by the school please clarify on the following:
How will corporate customers access their matchside boxes easily? - you have pictured one or two corridors feeding into one end of the ground which to my mind limits corporates to one section of the ground.
Where will these people park?
Where will the extra space needed within the stadium come from? It looks like the answer is to build upwards which is a poor compromise solution surely? Not to mention the houses on the opposite side of Goodison Road which will be looking out at an edifice? Right to light?
If we are planning to compete with the best then we need far more space. Occupying the whole of the land bordered by the 3 roads (Gwladys St, Goodison Road, Walton Lane) is vital to achieve parity. The ground or Goodison Road have to be moved to give us room unless you are going to build in mediocrity.
If being corporately entertained you need a decent view and looking out onto terraces isn’t it - it needs to have a direct view onto the ground.
However, it appears from reading the rejection letter that it wasn’t even close. The fact that we’ve wasted so much time and so much money on a project that was obviously doomed is the fault of the club, not KEIOC or any other "No" voter.
At the end of the day, I don’t like to see any Evertonian rejoicing in the sad situation we now appear to be in. Being reduced to begging to share with the dark side whilst they take great pleasure in telling us where to go is humiliating.
If we’re looking to blame though, it should start with the board and not with our fellow Everton supporters. Because when all is said and done, the fans are clearly the best thing about this club at the moment.
I was being ironic proving that even I couldn’t remember the dates correctly.
My point is we rarely remember individual losses and losing away to Hull by a single goal is not a huge pivotal moment. We’ll have forgot all about in a years time.
You have to judge Moyes on the bigger picturel. Lets see where Everton end up this season.
If we go from 5th last season to finishing 15th this season then there’s a case for sacking him.
But if we end up finishing in the top 7 (still easily possible) and having a decent UEFA League run then this Hull result will be just a forgotten statistic.
From more recent history - Palace away at the start of 2004/5. No Rooney, 4-1 defeat at hoem to Arsenal and 1-0 down at Palace, we seemed doomed, scored three goals, won the game and went on to finish 4th.
I am not saying the Hull game will prove pivotal, but it could. The manner in which the game panned out, being 3-0 down and coming very close to earning a point. A vastly improved performance on Sunday is what is needed and we may well remember the Hull away game as a turning point in years to come. Lets hope so.
I accept that there may not be any, now. There will be no fantasy billionaire because we are still nowhere near the best investment in England. A new stadium will cost £100 million, plus paying off our debts and investing what is necessary in the team to get us to top 4 challengers totals £200 million conservatively. Coventry are a better investment than us. Newcastle, Cardiff, Leicester. From the Premier League Stoke and Hull. I would put us ahead of Forest and Bristol City, but only because of our Premier League status. Both teams have a similar potential fanbase and both need stadium invetsment in addition to debt control and squad investment.
So we are about 7th in the queue for a billionaire.
The Goodison footprint is too small and the redevelopment costs too great to justify this plan.
That being the case the two options may have been Kirkby or groundshare. Now Kirkby is gone we may have only one depressing option.
I just won’t go!
How’s the fact that the players are underperforming Moyes/Round’s fault?
I’m quite happy to set up an online petition as a vote of no confidence in the present board, I just don’t know how to do it. I’d really love Evertonians to actually start taking some action against this twat Kenwright. If anyone else has any ideas I’m in full support. The press seem to love him and I’d like true Evertonians’ opinions to be known.
When someone asks "HowÕs the fact that the players are underperforming Moyes/RoundÕs fault?" he’s either being rhetorical or thick.
You see Tony, Moyes is the manager of the club and Round is the first team head coach.
If you don’t understand the connection between these two and the players we have and their level of performance then please send me some of the drugs you are taking.
Once they had the vote, you hardly heard fuck all from them again, and when you did it was just more shite,the only place you could be kept up to date for something on the move was on the KEIOC site, so much for ’ The peoples club ’ hey.
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Hiddink is now free having failed to get Russia to the World Cup (I am sure he would be to pricey for us)
Darren Ferguson - Young Enthusiastic, done well in the lower leagues, available (cheap and someone that Kenwright would likely look at).
Alan Irvine - He has done an excellent job at Preston, Knows the Everton way.