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Rooney, Five Years On - £26.75M?
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I know this is old, and also complicated by the signings of Howard, Neville & Saha...
However, I wanted to see if someone had an accurate take on what the total amount of the sale of Rooney to Utd was worth, based on the deal that was signed — not what was revised through negotiation of any of the above purchases further down the line.
My take is, EFC would have been in line to get the following:
- £10M cash - paid summer '04
- £10M cash - paid summer '05
- £3M - paid over 3 years for the fact he stayed there: (summer 05, 06, '07).
So I was thinking it looked like this:
- £1.5M Total for Champions League: (Winners '08; Runners-Up '09).
- £1.75M Total for Premier League: (Runners-Up '06; Winners '07, '08, '09).
- £0.5m - 20 England Caps, while playing for United (Cap numbers 18 up to 37).
So, based on this, it would seem the value of the deal 5 years on (without taking into account the purchase of Howard, Neville & Saha) would have been roughly £26.75m in payments.
There is supposedly also a 25% sell-on fee for any amounts received over and above the value already received, although I don't know if that sell-on fee expires at any point, now the 5 years of bonus payments are over. It also obviously gets more sticky if the values of Howard, Neville or Saha were held against Rooney in any way.
I stand to be corrected on all of this — was just curious as to what the lad was really sold for — as well as a bag of KP.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/3616874.stm
http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamPlyrsBios/PlayersR/BioRooneyW.html
Ross Dyer, Posted 01/02/2010 at 13:43:43
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As those in charge here at TW state on the website we needed to sell due to debt (what would have happened had we not had Rooney?), then maybe its not worth arguing, but from a football point perhaps it was for the best. The three Utd players all play integral roles for the team, though some purchases bought with Rooney cash are best long forgotten.
As for Rooney, for me the individual brilliance has given way to Ferguson coaching him into a better all-round player, at the expense of that something special. Ok, he still does special things, but a special player doesn’t have a place in the modern English game and it's taken out of him. Ferguson has a history of this, be it Giggs, or to a lesser extent the way Cantona changed.
That is not to say though that Rooney would have turned out to be some Maradona-style player at Everton, but we can imagine that he could have been a real sensation. A Gascoigne without the injuries perhaps. That alone may hve been good enough to attract other quality players to play with him. Not the likes of Davies and Beattie that we bought with his cash.
Maybe when he has won everything possible with Man United and is financially secure for the rest of his life, he may change his focus and help out the club he supported as boy and his family still support. (Moyes willing.)
Stranger things have happened but this is football and money really talks so I am not holding my breath.
The mention of Neville, Howard et al is totally irrelevant to the price... unless we didn’t want those players but were told: it’s that or nothing. And I don’t buy that for one minute.
As for the figure, I thought it was a million per league title, but it was so long ago, I can’t remember. Man U had it all on their website at the time — is it not cached on the web somewhere?
One for the archivers...
I still think he will be back here when he leaves Utd, if he ever does. I think he would like to put the record straight.
I’ve said this before about Rooney but he wasn’t greedy, he was ambitious, and just like Alan Ball to Gary Lineker, he left a small town club to join a big club to win things, and it’s hardly Rooney's fault that Everton have fallen so far behind Man U, that we’ve become like what Burnley was to us in the 70s, and it was less than 25 years ago that we were on equal footing with Man U. Blame the people that have mismanaged Everton into decline — not Rooney for wanting to make the most of his talent.
True — we’re not the ’Mersey Millionairres’ anymore and don’t have the big five glow about us we once had... but football is cyclical and, if this bunch of lads stay together, we might just shake the World.
Rooney has gone; what might have been wasn’t and you can’t change that. He went to a club who were realistically going to win stuff, at the time we weren’t and I get that point....
But don’t ever call us a ’small town club’ again... we’re not Macc Town, Swindon or Bury — we’re Everton... and, to me, you can’t get any bigger than that.
When I was growing up and even into my early 30s, we were the equal of Man U. Sorry to labour the point but if Howard Kendall had called Sharpy, Steven, Sheedy into his office and told them that he’d received an offer from Man U, their reaction would’ve been "what have we done wrong?"
Now our brightest talents Rooney and probably Rodwell, see playing for Man U as a way to win things, and therefore there is a similarity to Lineker leaving Leicester, or for that matter Ince, Lampard and Cole leaving WHU to go to a bigger club.
Like you, I hate it, but that’s the reality of the situation. Okay, we’re not Swindon, but we’re nowhere near the club I supported growing up.
I think his finishing can be improved, sometimes on the 1-on-1s he simply blasts it and hopes. Agree you won’t get jaw dropping split passes like Platini or Maradona, but Rooney is a more effective and efficient machine over the 90 mins.
To me, Rooney is THE Everton footballer. I don’t want to argue whether one is an Evertonian or claims to be an Evertonian (I agree with MK, if you claim to be then you are). But Rooney was born in Liverpool. His family are blue. He was brought up in the academy. He made his debut at Everton.
Some of us (like me) claim to be an Evertonian after jumping on the bandwagon in the 80s (well, it did strike a chord and I was smitten since). T'is a shame the club was so fucked up after many years of mismanagement otherwise we may have kept our pure blue blood Rooney. He is our inheritance given from above to wear the Number Nine. But the devil took him away from us.
In the recent club interview he claims to be an Evertonian. He may play in red today, white tomorrow. But he’s ours forever. COYB
What ever the price was — it wasn’t enough!!
Having said that. I spoke to a guy whose kids spoke to Rooney at the airport (Manchester I think) a couple of years ago. They’re Evertonians, and they asked him whether he thought he’d ever come back... and he said he’d love to return to Everton and finish his career here... and I don’t doubt him for a minute in his honesty or in his desire for that to happen. I just doubt whether it ever would.
“The fact is that Man U paid a lot of money for a teenager, who may not have made the grade” – I am used to see people coming here and berating our players but this statement takes the cherry.
See you may or may not know but let me just list you Rooney’s achievements before his move to Manchester
• youngest ever goalscorer in EPL
• the youngest player to play for England
• the youngest player to score an England goal
• the youngest scorer in European Championships – EURO 2004 and basically the star of the tournament prior to his injury.
What can I say, the guy was 50-50 to make the grade? Thank god that you are not responsible for our recruiting policy.
Where do we honestly think the league would have gone last year if Rooney didn’t play for Man Utd? 4 Point gap and all that. Regardless of how good Ronaldo is, I think we all know what the answer would be. And my how even more miserable the last 8 months would have been!!!
Rooney is the best British footballer since George Best and he has not reached his peak yet. But he had to move to ManU to grow as a footballer under Ferguson.
The sale was right for Everton and right for Rooney but most of all right for Fergie.
Remember once a blue... then he shat upon us when we were at our lowest point to go and play for that bunch of twats
Fuck him and anyone who wants him back - ever. Let him rot.
Why, why, why, are you so bitter about it? It's not unusual for a player to try and build bridges when his whole family live in the area of the club he claims to have once loved.
Back to the original point... Whether we got £10 for him learning to tie his laces, £10 for him turning up to the club shop opening etc is irrelevant — what is relevant is that we got maximum money for him at the time and it's all been paid up. And yes, in that deal we also formed a decent bond with United and it has given us three first team players that have helped guide the club to the position it is in (and has been over the past seasons) on the pitch.
We can’t argue with that deal really — £27m was the figure touted, spread over every event etc that could possibly occur during his time at United — we even got a fee when he signed his second deal so we can't complain.
He has done more good by leaving than he would have done by staying...
Had he have stayed, we may have seen a bigger dressing room split, meaning relegation that season... meaning... he’d have gone anyway.
All this talk of him coming back is a load of shit. I'm sick to hear anyone saying they would like him to come back, and gutted to see the club wasting time and money even talking to the horrible rat.
Also, I can guarantee you that, no matter how many ’web-heads’ on here want him back there will still be 20,000 in Goodison next week who will let him now exactly how we feel about him - FLNH
De liah!
I’d rather have John Terry!
Watch out Mikel...
Our time will come again and then just watch the rats wanting to come back.
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