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It was a woeful performance yesterday. Every player seemed without the confidence to create chances.
Pienaar wasted many passes and final balls at times were awful. Saha went missing, Neville was woeful. Baines did little to expose Carragher's lack of pace, Arteta is clearly a good while away from his usual self.
However, one Tim Cahill had a chance that could have changed everything. His chance in stoppage time in the first half should have won us the game.
No defenders closing him down and the entire goal to aim at, he blazed his header over. Considering his game is at scoring headers it was a woeful miss. For all the praise he recieved for his goals vs Sunderland and Wigan he returned to his inconsitency.
For Cahill, that chance would be like Yakubu missing a one on one, or Saha missing a penalty. If he scored I am sure we would have won, Liverpool would have been forced to attack and we could have contained them as they clearly lack any creative spark.
As it was he missed, and Liverpool won, and they deserved to. I now fear the month of death will be just that.
Fran Mitchell, Posted 07/02/2010 at 09:55:42
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Er... wasn’t he flagged offside?
No Michael as it was Mascherano’s header that fell to Cahill.
Just looked at it again, you’re right, it should not have been ruled offside. I suspect the linesman raised his flag because he saw Cahill offside from the header but he would’ve been over-ruled by the ref... but then again, What am I saying?!? The match officials would get it right? Oh dear...
On a related point, there were at least two occasions when Everton were flagged offside and play stopped for a Liverpool free kick when, in both instances, the Everton player in question did not touch the ball. I thought the interpretation had been changed such that you are not penalized until you touch the ball in the move?
On a related point, there were at least two occasions when Everton were flagged offside and play stopped for a Liverpool free kick when, in both instances, the Everton player in question did not touch the ball. I thought the interpretation had been changed such that you are not penalized until you touch the ball in the move?
No complaints please...we did not create a chance and cahills ’assist’ was a misplaced header from Mascherano....what galls me though is the fact that instead of woeing our own poor play DM says that we didn’t deserve to lose !! Im afraid that Tim in goal took too much notice of Kuyt and did not do his job properly...I can understand him being pressured by Crouch but Kuyt is pretty small and hardly had to move to put the ball in our net.
Remind me. How many goals has Cahill scored this season in how many starts? Hmm. Missed one did he?
There’s a fucking surprise.
There’s a fucking surprise.
I’m more concerned with Coleman not getting a look in under Moyes. Changed the game in his brief appearances so why now is he out in the cold? Neville is just shit & offers nothing at all. Talks a good game prior to it but when he gets on the pitch is totally useless.
I said at the time it was a terrible decision to make him Captain as it puts him in an undroppable position. Captains should command a starting place on ability as well as leadership.
Cahill has missed a few this year. In the back-to-back home games with Stoke & Wolves he missed fantastic chances before we had gone behind. I remember against Stoke, when he missed with a free header from 5 yards out, people by me were laughing and I said it will probably come back and haunt us... and it did. We create hardly any chances per game so, when we miss gilt edge opportunities, we pay big time. Cahill is in the team to score goals and when he doesn't he gives us nothing.
This is nonsense.
Their plan was to go out and maim from the start, before the ref reached for his cards. Carragher did it to Pienaar first chance.
Some Greek no-mark was sent off, but Fellaini was stretchered off. Plucky Liverpool eh, with only ten men. They should have had eight.
Headers, like shots, go in, over or wide. A three yard tap in - missing that is negligence, but skill on the move doesn’t work more often than it does.
Get a sense of proportion here.
Their plan was to go out and maim from the start, before the ref reached for his cards. Carragher did it to Pienaar first chance.
Some Greek no-mark was sent off, but Fellaini was stretchered off. Plucky Liverpool eh, with only ten men. They should have had eight.
Headers, like shots, go in, over or wide. A three yard tap in - missing that is negligence, but skill on the move doesn’t work more often than it does.
Get a sense of proportion here.
Mr Glazzard, you should reconsider your comment. At present, you lead us to believe that league positions are merely the result of chance.
Bollocks, sweetheart.
Bollocks, sweetheart.
Mr McLean, I think you are imagining that league position depends on goals scored. Possibly by shots from distance. I suspect there is more to the equation than that.
Keith, what was your take on Pienaar’s and Fellaini’s assaults then?
Flag went up....Doesn’t matter if the call was incorrect or not...Cahill could have headed it right through the net and it wouldn’t have stood....
Mr. Glazzard. You would.
Doesn’t make you right though.
Although like the Dodd / Tunstead axis, infallibility seems to be yours.
Doesn’t make you right though.
Although like the Dodd / Tunstead axis, infallibility seems to be yours.
Actually, Keith, you deserve a better answer. Unlike Messrs Tunstead / Dodd, you do bring to your comments a sense of possibility rather than certainty.
I have absolutely no ansers to the Everton problem. Here is a club historically charged with greatness but without the present means to achieve it. Unlike a number of our co supporters, I do not believe Kenwright is the fundamental source of all evil. He inherits, in my view, a poisoned chalice which has been fashioned over very many years.
Some will say Moores was our last decent Chairman. I’d suggest it was the bloke who commissioned GP. Since then, we’ve had boards who had either vision or money but never both.
Moyes? Well, he’s at the sharp end of a hundred years of crap. What he puts out on the pitch is the direct result of short termism. I can and do blame professional payers for an apparent lack of commitment. More than that, I certainly start with astonishment at an Everton manager who is satisfied with the performance given yesterday.
I don’t believe for a second that things will improve under David Moyes / Bill Kenwright. The only hope that we get back to where we were 45 years ago is a buy out. Do I think a benign buy out will happen? On the whole, no.
Frankly, we’re fucked. But could we please be in that semi recumbent posture with just a little bit of professional hutzpah?
I have absolutely no ansers to the Everton problem. Here is a club historically charged with greatness but without the present means to achieve it. Unlike a number of our co supporters, I do not believe Kenwright is the fundamental source of all evil. He inherits, in my view, a poisoned chalice which has been fashioned over very many years.
Some will say Moores was our last decent Chairman. I’d suggest it was the bloke who commissioned GP. Since then, we’ve had boards who had either vision or money but never both.
Moyes? Well, he’s at the sharp end of a hundred years of crap. What he puts out on the pitch is the direct result of short termism. I can and do blame professional payers for an apparent lack of commitment. More than that, I certainly start with astonishment at an Everton manager who is satisfied with the performance given yesterday.
I don’t believe for a second that things will improve under David Moyes / Bill Kenwright. The only hope that we get back to where we were 45 years ago is a buy out. Do I think a benign buy out will happen? On the whole, no.
Frankly, we’re fucked. But could we please be in that semi recumbent posture with just a little bit of professional hutzpah?
Saha missed a penalty at Hull and we lost by the odd goal. Just thought I would add that
He didn’t receive the ball as a pass/cross it ricocheted into his path at speed, did bloody well just to get in the direction of the goal. As to whether it would have won us the game, well thats a little like asking if Osman had bothered to stand on his tip toes or Neville knew his left side from his right or Howard had the use of even one of his hands or Moyes had any tactical nous.... might they have prevented us losing.
Indeed Gerry, there were a number of reasons, and much criticismhas been levelled at both Neville and Howard. There was a sheer lak of communication and concentration for the goal.
However Cahill didnt recieve much criticism for his missed effort, and I think he should.
I wont deny it, I no longer believe Cahill should be a guarenteed a first team place. I just dont think he’s good enough.
Last week I posted this on a thread, and recievd much criticism for that stance, with the Wigan goal being posted as why he is so important. Well one goal dos not make a season, and he missed more chances than he scored this season. Yesterday the ball came in at a decent speed, perfect height with no defenders surrounding him and the whole goal to aim at, and it was blazed over.
He is not the sole reason Everton lost, but he was involved in one of the two most decisive moments in the match, at a key time in the game.
If the role in the team for this player is to score headers then he needs to do it more often, espeially when gifted a chance like yesterdays, otherwise we do have other options...Bily behind the striker (his true position), Pienaar also prefers playing there, as would Ossie. I beleive these 3 would ofer somethng different in that position, which may provide more than TC does if he is not scoring.
Also, TC is taking Yaks place from a possible 4-4-2. His job is to score, and I havemore faith in hm doing it despiste his lack of match practice. Tim doesnt shoot enough to be considered a striker.
His is a good player, but I think we have better who would also offer a different playing style.
However Cahill didnt recieve much criticism for his missed effort, and I think he should.
I wont deny it, I no longer believe Cahill should be a guarenteed a first team place. I just dont think he’s good enough.
Last week I posted this on a thread, and recievd much criticism for that stance, with the Wigan goal being posted as why he is so important. Well one goal dos not make a season, and he missed more chances than he scored this season. Yesterday the ball came in at a decent speed, perfect height with no defenders surrounding him and the whole goal to aim at, and it was blazed over.
He is not the sole reason Everton lost, but he was involved in one of the two most decisive moments in the match, at a key time in the game.
If the role in the team for this player is to score headers then he needs to do it more often, espeially when gifted a chance like yesterdays, otherwise we do have other options...Bily behind the striker (his true position), Pienaar also prefers playing there, as would Ossie. I beleive these 3 would ofer somethng different in that position, which may provide more than TC does if he is not scoring.
Also, TC is taking Yaks place from a possible 4-4-2. His job is to score, and I havemore faith in hm doing it despiste his lack of match practice. Tim doesnt shoot enough to be considered a striker.
His is a good player, but I think we have better who would also offer a different playing style.
Agree with Gerry Western here. Cahill’s missed header might have cost us a win but it was not the reason we lost.
We lost because Neville let Kuyt stand goalside of him at a corner, which was unforgiveable, thereby confusing Howard about how to deal with him,although admittedly he should have done better.
Have to agree with those who are amazed at DM’s post-match comments. ’ We played well...nothing wrong with the performance...’!??? Surely this for media consumption only and is a million miles away from what he said to the players.
We lost because Neville let Kuyt stand goalside of him at a corner, which was unforgiveable, thereby confusing Howard about how to deal with him,although admittedly he should have done better.
Have to agree with those who are amazed at DM’s post-match comments. ’ We played well...nothing wrong with the performance...’!??? Surely this for media consumption only and is a million miles away from what he said to the players.
I played CH, and the very first thing I got taught was to be goalside of my man, Neville needs the riot act read to him on that one, having said that, Jonny heading the ball out for a corner was poor.
In short there were plenty of individual errors so to write an article that holds Cahill responsible for the defeat (considering his defensive headers were quite heroic) is a cheap shot, and a poor one at that.
In short there were plenty of individual errors so to write an article that holds Cahill responsible for the defeat (considering his defensive headers were quite heroic) is a cheap shot, and a poor one at that.
So. When Cahill scores, he’s the new Dixie Dean and has won us the game, but when he misses he’s blameless?
Nice little no lose situation the Tiger has found himself there.
Tony Williams, Saha missed a penalty at Hull? I dont remember that
Our build-up play was slow and predictable, we failed apart from once to get behind the fullbacks, and then Anichebe took one touch to many.
Nearly everyone I have spoken too reckons Coleman should of come on as I am sure he would of got into the box on his runs on a few occasions.
The game was lost the minute Fellaini went off, I thought Arteta was guilty of slowing the game down to a snails pace letting Liverpool get behind the ball, the best way to beat 10 men is step up the pace and run at them which is why Coleman would of been a good tactical substitution.
Moyes got his tactics all wrong on the day.
You can't blame a missed opportunity, no matter how good it was, on losing the game, we should've created many many opportunities when playing against 10 and hardly had any.
You are all quite right Neville should have stood Goalside of Kuyt, if you watch the goal you will see how much easier it would have been for Kuyt to score then. The aim of that sort of positioning is to keep Kuyt inside the keepers range so any ball that comes near him can be caught by Howard. It wasn’t Nevilles positioning that was at fault it is the fact that he was too busy trying to haul Kuyt to the floor instead ot stopping moving backwards to get to the ball, which is what happened and Kuyt scored. More importantly what was a right back doing in that position in the first place.
Saha missed a peno at Burnley
Sorry lads, it was Burnley, the same week they did the exact same thing to Man U, however he did miss one
Dave, Cahill's not soley responsible for either victory nor defeat, I think that is my point.
To say Cahill is responsible for the defeat by missing a first half header is a fucking joke. The second half would have been completely different if he’d have scored and who’s to say how many more if’s and but’s there would have been then.
The fact is, 11 man everton didn’t do enough in the second half and ran out of ideas. It’s no individuals fault and if anything Cahil was one of the better performers, at least he fucking tried.
The fact is, 11 man everton didn’t do enough in the second half and ran out of ideas. It’s no individuals fault and if anything Cahil was one of the better performers, at least he fucking tried.
Does anyone think that when Fellaini went off, Coleman should have been brought on and Neville put into defensive midfield? He played there very effectively for last season with Arteta in front of him.
Jonathan is it easy to look back in hindsight, but I immediately felt Coleman should of come on and Neville moved into midfield. Arteta should of come on in the 2nd half for an ineffective Pienaar or a disappointing Osman. Coleman would of exploited Liverpool’s 10 men with his runs down the wing, he has been brought on twice and done it twice, I cannot understand why he doesn't get more opportunities.
A second opportunity to bring Coleman on was overlooked when he brought on two similar heavyweights Yak and Vic who were not going to speed the game up in any way shape or form.
Flag was up for off-side, and at Anfield getting that reversed is a no-hoper.
For me too many things went tits up to single out Cahill’s miss, which was off-side, as the defining point.
After watching the game and then disecting the aftermath of TW posts, there would seem to be at least 10 points, that to me are all valid. So take your pick, simple really, we got fucked over by the RS once again.
To be honest it’s like watching grass grow it’s become that boring watching us play the RS.
For me too many things went tits up to single out Cahill’s miss, which was off-side, as the defining point.
After watching the game and then disecting the aftermath of TW posts, there would seem to be at least 10 points, that to me are all valid. So take your pick, simple really, we got fucked over by the RS once again.
To be honest it’s like watching grass grow it’s become that boring watching us play the RS.
Blame Cahill that we’re not good enough ? No, I don’t even think it was that easy a chance. Distin, Baines, Hibbert, Neville and Osman are all worse players in their respective positions. Howard is a good keeper but has no bottle, always loses it in big occasions — i.e. the derby, Wembley, against us when Ferguson scored.
I disagree with the Coleman thread, I understand the point about us attacking down left side and very rarely down right side, but I don’t think Coleman is going to suddenly be this superstar people seem to think. He ’s just a young lad.
Not sure if Rodwell was on the bench, but he would have been the player I’d bring on for fellani, he absolutely has the right temperament and skill. Not sure what’s happened to him or if he’s still injured?
After Wembley, our problem positions were right back and right side of midfield and still are main problems together with lack of pace in the team.
I disagree with the Coleman thread, I understand the point about us attacking down left side and very rarely down right side, but I don’t think Coleman is going to suddenly be this superstar people seem to think. He ’s just a young lad.
Not sure if Rodwell was on the bench, but he would have been the player I’d bring on for fellani, he absolutely has the right temperament and skill. Not sure what’s happened to him or if he’s still injured?
After Wembley, our problem positions were right back and right side of midfield and still are main problems together with lack of pace in the team.
I dont think putting Coleman on was the answer either and if Moyes had replaced Fellaini with a defender (moving Pip to the middle), he would have been slaughtered on this site.
Additionally, he took of Saha who didn’t have a good game and went 4-4-2 to try to salvage something. I don’t think he can be faulted there either, other than maybe Vaughan should have been on the bench as Vic and Yak are too similar.
Fact is, the players on the field didn’t do enough.
Additionally, he took of Saha who didn’t have a good game and went 4-4-2 to try to salvage something. I don’t think he can be faulted there either, other than maybe Vaughan should have been on the bench as Vic and Yak are too similar.
Fact is, the players on the field didn’t do enough.
Brian - Steven Pienaar was assaulted (had it been on the street and videoed Carragher could be in a cell even now) as a matter of deliberate policy probably passed down from the manager. It was intended.
As a self-professed Christian Steven should have turned the other cheek. Carragher would have kicked it and still not have been sent off. Some no-mark Greek? No problem.
Greek no-mark (future Anfield career? - was he put on to be sent off?) off. Fellaini stretchered off. Who won?
I believe that the shite will do anything they can to harm us. Ground sharing? Only if it saves them from bankruptcy, which could happen. They targeted Pienaar and Fellaini. And they got two results. Rafael Benitez was glowing with the extent of his victory.
Mike - I’ve read it a few times, and I still have no idea what you’re talking about.
As a self-professed Christian Steven should have turned the other cheek. Carragher would have kicked it and still not have been sent off. Some no-mark Greek? No problem.
Greek no-mark (future Anfield career? - was he put on to be sent off?) off. Fellaini stretchered off. Who won?
I believe that the shite will do anything they can to harm us. Ground sharing? Only if it saves them from bankruptcy, which could happen. They targeted Pienaar and Fellaini. And they got two results. Rafael Benitez was glowing with the extent of his victory.
Mike - I’ve read it a few times, and I still have no idea what you’re talking about.
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He cost us the game and if he’s going to be praised from the roof tops when he wins us a game then he should be criticised when he cost us one