Collina. Bought and sold.

Clive Thomas... too many decisions to mention!

Regarding the Don Hutchison goal in the derby back in 2000.

1. Mr Poll, why did you disallow a perfectly good goal in the dying seconds?

2. Mr poll, if it had of been the Shite that scored in similar circumstances, would this have affected your decision?

3. Mr Poll, was anybody else involved in your decision and was there an alternative agenda?

4. Mr Poll, as you have since admitted that you made the wrong decision, does this mean that you made a mistake or that you cheated?

5. Mr Poll, do you socialise with Mark Clattenburg, Pierluigi Collina and Steven Gerrard?

Gary Stevens: After making a career of launching the ball down the line, why the fuck did he decide he was a footballer just when we where home and hosed against the Shite in 86?

Di Canio for 2. The push on the referee and the time he put the ball out when our GK (Wright?) crumpled. Would want to know how he can lurch from one opposite to the other like that?

Houlding.

Why?

Ask Winter why he allowed a free kick near the half way line to be taken close enough for a shooting opportunity (McAllister).

Ask Riley why he allowed a free kick (which wasn't one) near the touch line to be taken almost in front of our goal (Beckham goal).

Ask Riley why he booked Gravesen on O’Hare’s say so (same match).

Ask why Man Utd were allowed to collect the PL trophy and parade it around Goodison along with fireworks and all the rest of the rigmarole that goes with it (same match).

Ask Clattenberg why firstly he thought that Hibbert had fouled Gerrard, and then how he can allow himself to be dictated to by a player over a decision (Gerrard’s sending off of Hibbert).
The first of many Clattenberg questions which I can't be arsed listing as everyone knows them anyway.

Definitely the ball clattering of Hutch’s back and into the Liverpool net in the last couple of seconds of extra time for me. Never was full time.

Poll deffo.

Not only the Hutchison goal but also why, now he has retired, he is constantly having a pop at us (see Daily Mail).

What did we do to him?

It has to be Clive Thomas and why he disallowed Brian Hamilton’s perfectly good goal and how much was he paid?

I thought it bounced off the back of Jeffers - if we are talking about the Goodison game in 1999/2000??

There are too many ones to mention but I think Gerrard’s conduct in Derbies has been awful. From that horror tackle when we last beat them at our old home to his all round behaviour 8 years later at Goodison.

Without doubt Clive Thomas, Maine Road, FA Cup Semi-Final against the Dark Side. Except it would be pointless as he’d lie about it as he’s always lied about it. He made a huge mistake and disallowed it for a handball that never happened, then never had the guts to admit it.

I was there, and the worst part was we were all going so crazy at the "goal", it was a while before we realised he’d ruled it out, so we had our celebrations for nothing.

Ask anyone with a rehearsed goal celebration: what’s wrong with running away with your arms in the air?

Bobby Mimms - How did you ever blag your way into an Everton shirt? Same goes for Brett Angel.

Rooney - why did you kiss your badge and how can you play for a club whose knobhead fans chant about hating scousers week in week out?

Kevin Nolan - you did mean it didn’t you, you fucking useless thug?

I’d ask Steven Gerrard this;

"Why don’t you just fuck off?"

As the little blue boy said to his Dad as Gerrard lay motionless after the goal was scored, “Is he dead, Dad?” and his Dad’s response was “I fuckin’ hope so, son”

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I’m in tears with that! Quality stuff xD

It was off Hutchison’s back, not Jeffers. Nailed on goal, I’d love to ask that prick of a referee why he blew up. But we already know the answer, the Kopite twat.

Still angry about that even now...

And Collina, the corrupt horrible...

I’d ask Gerrard’s lawyer if he kept a straight face when the pub brawler got away with his ’I did it because I thought he was going to hit me first’ excuse.
Genius!

Actually, I’d ask Joe Royle why he sold off the '95 FA Cup Final team as soon as he could.

Why would anyone want to frustrate themselves by re-living unhappy incidents from games 10/20 years ago? Does anyone here think an explanation would be forthcoming at this stage?

Or does copious amounts of alcohol simply induce an inclination to offer abuse to all who you perceive to have failed you?

Clattenberg - how much did it take?

Des, you may be right but it is a legitimate post.

Sometimes decisions are debatable depending on the team you support and sometimes decisions are an absolute disgrace? Why shouldn’t we have a right to reply. Why shouldn’t those who make decisions/remarks have a forum to reply/retract?

Clattenburg's role in the derby was a disgrace and on this alone he should have been struck off. Notice how many Everton matches he has officiated in since...

John, I don’t say it’s not legitimate. I agree and was equally hurt by many of the decisions at the time. I just see no point in re-gurgitating them. Why do so, as nothing can be changed.

Simply a self-indulgence.

Des, you are right... but you must agree that if a wrong has been done, regardless of the outcome, an explanation must be given just to appease the people.

In Clattenberg's instance, I think he was withdrawn the next week, that in itself an admission of his incompetence. But we really need to hear from the powers that be that they also make mistakes. Their decisions can make promotions and demotions and cause mayhem amongst us.

A bit of self-indulgence never did too much harm, especially on a weekend with no game.

Clattenberg, on the other hand, indulged his masturbatory fantasy of being a friend of the famous to the extent that he eased their passage to an eventual victory.

Don’t forget that the FA dropped charges against Moyes following the comments he made after that game. Very unusual. They had something to hide. He may ref us again, but Davey would have open season on the ref before, during and after the game.

But as with Collina, Thomas, Poll and a few others, I would save my breath and certainly wouldn’t expect anything like the truth from any of them.

As a TV/radio licence payer, however, I would welcome a public confrontation with Alan Green about his partisanship, at my expense. He is paid to be neutral — he isn’t.

I’m still waiting for the day I can drive to Tredegar to dance on Clive Thomas’s grave. Nasty, obnoxious, self important, arrogant, clueless, lying prick!! For once, paying to cross the Severn Bridge will be worthwhile. If Clattenburg could manage to find himself an adjacent plot in the cemetary, I suppose I could wait a few years to perform the jig.
I can still see and hear the red shite twat next to me in the Platt Lane that day. Wish I was the size and mind of bloke I am these days, I’d have filled the smug twat right in.

Must admit, I was looking throught he phone directories at work in April 1980 as well cos I was blaming (I think it was George Courtney, Spennymoor, Count Durham — but I seem to recall it was some Geordie twat official anyway) for Brian Kidd being sent off in the semi-final at Villa Park when I should probably have been blaming Brian Kidd for getting sent off in the semi when the game was in the bag and Wembley beckoning.

I’m on one now. Ask the ref — was it Jeff ’self important dial a quote on Talk Sport’ Winter — why he allowed Gary McAllister to move the ball forward 11 yards, 11 fuckin yards from the point of the original infringement, 11 yards from the point the ball was first placed down, as to why he thought that was within the rules of Association Football.
Maybe he was not as good as he thinks — I know he wasn’t.

Howard Kendall, first time round — abroad — why? Athletico Bilbao, of all fuckin clubs — why??

Harry Catterick, you sold Bally like a fuckin second hand car in December 1971 — raise a seance and tell me why, oh why, oh why??????

I wouldn’t approach a player or official. I would ask the guy who invaded the Highbury pitch to argue with Nyarko: "Why wait so long into the season?"

If I had to ask others they would be:

Big Nev: "What was wrong with the half time cuppa that made you come out and sit lounging by the goalpost against Leeds?"

Peter Johnson: "Mike Walker? The only Walker I knew of at the time worth any money were the crisps."

DAVE WILSON you must have been watching a different Everton team to me in the 80s or your brain must be frazzled by Moyes’s hoofball tactics.

For your information, Gary Stevens didn’t welly the ball up the pitch at every opportunity, in fact he was one of the best footballing right backs ever to wear the Everton shirt. If Tricky Trevor Steven would have had Tony (missile) Hibbert behind him instead of Gary Stevens, he would never have seen the ball and wouldn’t have become such a great player.

It’s a shame that so many blues are so fickle to allow one crucial mistake in the cup final to cloud their judgement of one off Everton’s greatest attacking defenders. Have you forgotten the countless goals he made from the right wing, the goals he scored and the last ditch tackles he made not to mention his pace, strength and athleticism?

Stephen Ryan

Sorry but he did launch the ball down the line all the time, I haven’t forgotten the last ditch tackles, the pace, the strength or the athleticism... fuck knows he needed all those qualities because he had the touch of a lamp post.

One of our best footballing right backs ever? Well, he was fortunate to play with several good footballers, but if you think he was one of them, we were indeed watching a different team in the eighties.

I would love to ask Bobby Robson, how could he be so hypocritical about the Maradona ’hand of God’ goal when he was quite happy with the even more blatant hand ball goal by his centre forward Ray Crawford at Goodison when he managed Ipswich Town.

I wonder why they call us bitter blues?

"Richard, what does the instructions on the board say?"

"Richard, what is the best way to descend from a loft?"

"Richard, how difficult is it to put down an ironing board?"

Des, fuck off.

I would ask Lucy Pinder why she hasn’t proposed to me yet..........sorry wrong forum!!

On the footballing side I would ask two, no three questions, two pertaining to the same incident.

No 1 - Why Mr Jeffers, could you not put a header into the net from 1 yard out against Chelsea in the 92nd minute?

No 2 - How Joleon could let a five foot none winger out-jump you in the Carling Cup semi-final last minute?

No 3 - Why did you not just go right through Joleon and Shawn Wright Phillips instead of doing start jumps on the line in the above mentioned game... you tosser?

IMO Gary Stevens was one of the best right backs to play for Everton. I would rate him alongside Alex Parker and Tommy Wright. He was great at attacking and linking up play, as well as defending.
The turning point in the 1986 FA Cup Final was Grobelar’s acrobatic save to prevent a certain second goal - after making the original mistake himself. We were on top and at 2-0 would have gone on to win comfortably. Incidentally Rush was offside when he received the ball from which he "scored" the equaliser.

Has anyone else noticed how Clattenburg is becoming the best referee in the Premier League? That Bolton goal he disallowed was correct and took some guts, Lee Dixon still slagged him off for it.

You’ve said all the really important ones, Clattenburg, Collina, Poll. My question is to whoever employs the ’experts’ at the BBC. "How did you ever think Lee Dixon might be a good idea?"

The guy even claimed Kyrgiakos shouldn’t have been sent off!

Re Nathan Ward:

"Poll deffo.

Not only the Hutchison goal but also why, now he has retired, he is constantly having a pop at us (see Daily Mail).

What did we do to him? "

The reason he hates the blues so much, is because he once sent off McFadden against Arsenal in a League Cup Tie at Goodison, for aaparently calling him a ’Cheat’. Moyes in his post-match press conference merely stated ’Who do you believe?’ after McFadden had protested his innocence.

The problem was that Poll was making a documentary at the time about a year in the life of a referee, had made that stupid blunder at the World Cup (3 yellows???) the summer before, and had said before the game how much he respected Moyesie — must have hurt a little so has slagged us off ever since!!!

My question most definitely would be aimed at Mick Madar — how on earth did he miss an open goal at the Kop end (see me on the front row celebrating before I realise it's gone wide)... from the resulting goal kick Ince equalises... never forgave him.

I would ask Adolf Hiltler, ’Why did you kick off the war and cause the footy to be abandoned just when we were Champions’?

I would like to ask David Moyes why the fuck did he invite that hippo gobbed ugly fuckpig shitbag Andy Murray to Finch Farm? I hope I'm not supposed to like the twat now.

Collina... that decision was a disgrace.

Kenwright. Why did you fuck up Kings Dock?

Kenwright. Why did you even bother with Kirkby?

Stephen Ryan: One mistake in the Cup Final? Don’t you count when he went ’walk-about’ for the 2nd goal then?

Maradonna is not fit to be mentioned in the same category as Pele, Charlton, Best, Platini and a few others because of his drug exploits and of course his basketball talent.

I think that’s a bit harsh on the ol’ Argy. Best did his drug, alcohol, and who knows what else...

Besides I’d rather have a friend off his head on coke than one who beats up DJs... haha.

On YouTube, search 'maradona passing', and there’s many videos of just that which are better than any goal compilations. Total genius!

Steve Green - Harry here ... (Ok, not really, but I’ll have to do, soz) ... I do empathaise with you Steve, Bally was an icon and a magnificent player, but if the truth must come out ... I didn’t want to sell him.

Alan owed a large and very powerful betting organisation a substantial sum of money. They visited our chairman and threatened to destroy Ball and drag Everton's name through the mud unless we paid his debt. You’ll know our chairman was man of deep integrity and was mortified.

So, desperately, and with deep regret, I had to let him go. Neither Alan or myself recovered and it took the club over 10 years to bounce back from his loss. Sorry.

Clattenberg - no question, just a wee Glasgow kiss.

As for my request, "Well, Lucifer, Prince of Darkness... How come you support the RED SHITE?"

Or ....

Steve Green, John Moores here.

Sorry and all that but somebody had to pay for the main stand and it certainly wasn’t coming out of my pocket!

This has got broader than the original question so here goes.

"Well ’Arry, does the fact that you have bought and sold more average and obscure players than anyone else in history, some on more than one occasion, indicate that you are a poor judge of a player... or do you have some other explanation?"

Peter, Harry’s known in the game as Mr 10% — that may have something to do with it?

There are (as responses to this post suggest) a lot of questions we’d like to ask.

I can think of loads of things I’d like to ask Moyes, Kenwright, Sky, The Premier league, refs, players etc.

A few years back though, I DID get to ask a question I’d been curious about.

Siting comfortably?

This starts sometime in the 70’s.

We’re at home in the cup against...erm...Wigan (or Wrexham?).

Anyway they’re doing that lower-division, big FA cup day-out thing of kicking shite out of us and basically Brian Kidd has had enough.

Someone wellies him for the 10th time and we get the free kick.

The ball is lofted into their box and as soon as it’s in the air, Kidd turns and pole-axes his tormentor.

However the ref has been expecting ’something’ from Kidd.

He seen the punch and runs over to ’KEEEEDO’ (as do the players of both sides).

Ref pulls out the red, both sides pushing and shoving, Kidd goes off.

And that was kind of it.

Except......it wasn’t.

Those of us who had followed the flight of the ball saw something much worse.

Latch and one of their centre halves had gone for it.

Ball drops to the deck, their keeper comes and smothers it.

Latch then looks around, sees that everyone (well...almost) is watching the melee.

Then with this huge distraction going on, he (I swear to God), drags his leg back and boots the prone keeper right in the grid.

I thought he’d killed him.

I remember a mate next to me (great Evertonian, no longer with us) says calmly "If that’s on camera, he’s finished".

Only one of their players (ie: some big, mad, slavering block-headed wool) saw it and reacted furiously.

He legged after Latchford who did exactly what I’d have done.

He ran away like softy Walter from Dennis And Gnasher.

The only mention of it the next day was on The Big Match.

The captain of... um... ’Wool FC saying.

"PEEPUL AR ALL TALKING ABAAAAHT T’ SENDIN’ OFF BUT THE WUR SUMMIT FARRR WURRRSE WOT WENT ON AHHHT THERRR"

When Sinstadt (or whoever) pressed for more details, the feller said..

"EE KNOWZ OO’ EE IZZ, I’LL NOT TELL TALES, EE AZ T’LIVE WITH IZ SEN".

And that was..........it.

He got away with it.

Cut to 30 years Later.

The Irish Toffees are having a dinner (here) in Dublin and Latch and Dobbo are guests.

After dinner (and a lot of bevvy) there’s a ’question and answer’ session.

So.........I asked.

His answer was (more or less) "You know what — I did do that but I can’t really give you a sensible reason. I wasn’t particularly a hot-head and as you’ll know didn’t get much involved with that side of things. It was a terrible terrible thing to do. It is the one thing I am ashamed about".

Seeing his response, I felt quite bad.

I told him he shouldn’t be so hard on himself....... unless he was thinking about the time he tried to lob Clemence to score a goal that would have won us a derby - then you SHOULD be dead fuckin’ hard on yourself!

Eugene... I remember that lob. Dear God. The effort was pathetic but the thing that killed me was seeing Latch give a sheepish grin at Clemence afterwards.

At the Annie Road end, wasn’t it?

I’d ask Kenwright why he fucked-up the Kings Dock.

EG’s wonderful reminiscences about The Latch remind me of a similar encounter with Graham Stuart. I remember an evening match away at Chelsea, probably early 90’s pre-the Russian billions, even pre-Matthew Harding. Yet Chelsea still beat us.

In the build up to the goal, Graham Stuart (playing then for Chelsea) clearly played the ball through with his arm. All of us in that old terrace they had miles back from the pitch could see it, but apparently neither ref nor linesmen saw it.

Fast forward a few years and I meet Graham Stuart at an ESC meeting. "Gray" I say to him, "a few years ago when you were playing against us at Chelsea, it was an evening match and..."

Without further prompting he interrupts me:

"Oh, you mean the handball? Ha ha, yes, Howard [Kendall] never let me forget that one when I came to Everton!"

Well I reckon Collina, Thomas, Poll, Clattenburg and whoever, none would be as honest as Graham Stuart was, but raise in discussion with each of them the subject of Everton and they would all know what was coming straight away.

I would like to ask Andrew James how he came to think that the ball came off Jeffers.

I have always wanted to ask Andy Bremer (German left back) why he played his whole career with his left foot yet took penalties with his right foot... cheeky bastard.

Poll in his book said that he should have let the goal stand... FUCKING GOBSHITE. He also says he missed red twats assault on Naysmith because there was an Everton player in his way. No, I haven't read the full book, before anyone asks... just the bits about Everton while in airport going back to work. Carragher's is just as bad as well. So check them out while you wait for your flights to Lisbon.

I would ask ex keeper and public shithouse Albert Dunlop how he could look anyone in the eye after he was paid by a disgusting rag of a newspaper, namely the ’People’, to say Everton supplied him with purple hearts.

I was one of thousands behind his goal on that cold damp foggy day in the early 60s at Molyneux that knew the truth of the matter and what a total lying bastard he was.

I remember that game Dick. Dunlop also said that he was that much drugged up, he did not hear the final whistle blow.

As he stood in the goal,a St John ambulance man walked towards him, he said he thought it was a Wolves player and he dived at his feet!! In his expose he also said Everton used to bribe the opposition in some games. He was a total prick.

After he hung his boots up, he went into several business ventures, but they all went tits up. He ended up in prison for embezzlement. His mother and father used to go to every game home and away, they were a lovely couple, but Albert was a fraudster. He passed away about 12 years ago.

Why didn’t Rooney’s parents make their baby Wayne so that he came to maturity when we were good?

I would just like to say that it was Dr David Marsh who appointed Mike Walker as manager and not Peter Johnson.