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I don't know if anyone has recently touched on this topic but what are fans' opinions of Shrek and his return to Goodison on Saturday?
Given the recent loved-up interviews with the OS and articles in the Echo, are you going to clap when his name's read out or boo him?
I suppose there are reasons for doing either of the above mentioned, but to me the facts remain that:
- he put in a transfer request to the club he "loves" and has "supported all his life" (and apparantly cried he was that desperate to leave);
- he has celebrated wildly in front of the fans whenever he has scored;
- has kissed the Man Utd badge in front of the fans, both at Old Trafford and Goodison;
- he has also showboated like a prick (when we got beat 4-2 at home 3 seasons ago).
People may point the finger at Kenwright for cashing in and not getting that much, but what else was he to do when a player who is desperate to leave puts in a transfer request only a few days before the transfer window closes?
Also people may point to the trophies he has won since he left, saying his move was "justified" — BOLLOCKS. He gave us two years of service... two fucking measly years. I totally understand that he wants and deserves to be playing on the big stage in all the big games, but the least he could have done to appease the fans and give some back was to stay with us for at least 5 years, in which he still would have only been 22-23 and would have went for well more money.
It may look like that he's "grown up" and is past all the nonsense now, but to me he's still the shithouse who let down everyone and everything related to Everton, and I for one will NEVER forgive him and will definitely be giving the fucker loads when he comes to Goodison on Saturday.
COYB
John Nelson, Posted 17/02/2010 at 10:07:22
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Get over it
Michael is # 3 true or just speculation? Because I’ve heard the "crying" rumor, the unofficial "recruiting" by Man U players at the Euros (not tapping him up; I’m sure it was all just innocent conversation), and the Stubbs thing. But I never heard that we forced him and/or his reps to put in a transfer request so that we would save face and he would look the bad guy. Of course once he left I kinda lost interest, so I could’ve missed something.
Michael: what the hell did Stubbs have to do with any of it??
Not a great one for redemption, are you?
A young fuckwit was manipulated by very clever men and a young manager hadn’t the resources to know how to manage him.
There has always been a game behind the game in football ... Rooney was one of its pawns.
What should people do? Sit back and enjoy the privilege of watching a great talent and stop thinking that expressions of loathing somehow confirm what a great Evertonian that person is.
A young fuckwit was manipulated by very clever men and a young manager hadn’t the resources to know how to manage him.
There has always been a game behind the game in football ... Rooney was one of its pawns.
What should people do? Sit back and enjoy the privilege of watching a great talent and stop thinking that expressions of loathing somehow confirm what a great Evertonian that person is.
Two years service, so far... I still think Rooney will be back in some capacity in the future, maybe not for a good few years. He is still an Evertonian and he’s also a very very rich lad. Aren’t we always hoping for rich investors who are Evertonians?
He did act like a prick, kissing the badge etc, and inside I think he knows he acted like a prick hence the recent bridge building media stories. Don’t hate him, he’s a footballer, transient by nature in all but rare cases, I just hope he has a bad game.
He did act like a prick, kissing the badge etc, and inside I think he knows he acted like a prick hence the recent bridge building media stories. Don’t hate him, he’s a footballer, transient by nature in all but rare cases, I just hope he has a bad game.
It’s modern football — transient by nature.
In the end it doesn’t matter how he left just that he did — he’s a United player now and I hope he has a ’mare on Saturday and ends up on the losing side.
Can we move on yet?
In the end it doesn’t matter how he left just that he did — he’s a United player now and I hope he has a ’mare on Saturday and ends up on the losing side.
Can we move on yet?
Jimmy Crack - Stubbs recommended Stretford to Rooney and he was the manipulative agent who manufactured the move.
John — "It may look like that he’s "grown up" and is past all the nonsense now" — so if he can do it, can you?
John — "It may look like that he’s "grown up" and is past all the nonsense now" — so if he can do it, can you?
Some people talk absolute shite on here and seem hell bent on slagging the club off.
"His departure from Everton was largely engineered by a combination of his agent, England players, senior Everton players (Stubbs), and the Everton Board/Chairman who foresaw a big monetary windfall. Rooney was essentially a pawn in a somewhat inevitable process of "cashing in"." - how do you know this? Was you a fly on the wall in the changing rooms at Goodison? In the 5 years since he left that has got to be the first time I’ve heard this rumour, no doubt it was started on this negative, ANTI EVERYTHING EVERTON website.
Phil Roberts - I am past all the nonsense mate, but I have never forgiven and never will forgive him for tarnishing our great club and seemingly going out of his way to wind the fans up.
People should start siding with the club for fucking once and not with bell ends like him. Seriously if you can’t say anything good about the club, then fuck off and go and follow the red shite.
"His departure from Everton was largely engineered by a combination of his agent, England players, senior Everton players (Stubbs), and the Everton Board/Chairman who foresaw a big monetary windfall. Rooney was essentially a pawn in a somewhat inevitable process of "cashing in"." - how do you know this? Was you a fly on the wall in the changing rooms at Goodison? In the 5 years since he left that has got to be the first time I’ve heard this rumour, no doubt it was started on this negative, ANTI EVERYTHING EVERTON website.
Phil Roberts - I am past all the nonsense mate, but I have never forgiven and never will forgive him for tarnishing our great club and seemingly going out of his way to wind the fans up.
People should start siding with the club for fucking once and not with bell ends like him. Seriously if you can’t say anything good about the club, then fuck off and go and follow the red shite.
Even at 16 he was destined to be England’s best footballer by the age of 19 or 20 and as shown he made the right move at the time. He’s won more medals, acolades Internationally at Utd then he would have ever done at Everton. He basically came 3-4 years too early for us. I suspect with the squad we have today he would have stayed.
Forget the antics — his brains are in his feet not his head.
Forget the antics — his brains are in his feet not his head.
Michael, verbatim from his mother who was a guest at a family birthday was that it was known long before it came out that he was going to leave and Man U the likely destination, the club were deep in the shit financially and he wanted out.
Not sure why we even bother discussing this or other threads with purile nonsense about how we shouldn’t give him any, bell-end, he left, he badged kissed in front of the Everton fans, he’s a bald money grabbing gobshite... move on.
This may not be a popular opinion but I would clap for him, if I was at the ground Saturday. He was a very young lad at the time, clearly not the most intelligent kid around (and I do not mean that in an insulting way), always likely to be easily influenced.
The actions taken by the club show me they were willing to cash in on him. It is really easy for a "normal" fan to say he should have stayed longer, may be his enitre career. But Rooney was/is a blue, I do not doubt that one second.
Thing is, playing football is also his job. With the money thrown around these days and the attention players get you can hardly blame a young gullible guy for choosing to go to Man U.
I forgave him long ago and rather see him scoring for Man U than alienhead Berbatov or Nani or so. I just hope he doesn’t do it against us.
Apart from that, I think that booing him wil only fire him up come Saturday.
Its ironic that if he were now an Everton player we would be up there. Everton with Rooney would be better than Man U without him.
Anyway the fans did kinda start to let it go only for the little bastard to run the length of old trafford to taunt the Evertonians after Ronaldos last gasp penalty.
Anyway the fans did kinda start to let it go only for the little bastard to run the length of old trafford to taunt the Evertonians after Ronaldos last gasp penalty.
Moved on has he? Yeah right... that's why he was dragged off last time for losing his head, if he scores tomorrow he’ll be running to the fans he really loves kissing his badge again, don't worry about that.
A true blue? Like fuck he is, a blue would not rejoice in Evertonian misery as he has done repeatedly. I wouldn't be arsed booing him, but I certainly won't be offering a warm welcome either.
Fuck Him!
Michael you’re becoming paranoid mate. All of your numbered key points are symptoms (if they are true that is) and nothing more. The real cause of Rooneys departuere is far more simple and fundamental ie:-
Best young British prospect in at least a generation plays for skint unsuccessful club and is wanted by rich successful club.
That’s all you need to know the rest was as inevitable as night follows day. Trying to blame Moyes is, of course to be expected from you, but it’s still pathetic. Given Rooney’s state of mind as a bolshie 17-year-old scouse kid with tabloids breathing down his neck, he’d have fallen out with Mother Theresa for goodness sake.
I do actually agree though that getting mad with Rooney is pointless. The lad was 17 and remembering how naive and daft I was at that age I’m not sure how good a fist I would have made of his situation at the time. (Think I’d have drawn a line at Granny’s mind, but 17-year-old hormones being what they are, who knows?)
Best young British prospect in at least a generation plays for skint unsuccessful club and is wanted by rich successful club.
That’s all you need to know the rest was as inevitable as night follows day. Trying to blame Moyes is, of course to be expected from you, but it’s still pathetic. Given Rooney’s state of mind as a bolshie 17-year-old scouse kid with tabloids breathing down his neck, he’d have fallen out with Mother Theresa for goodness sake.
I do actually agree though that getting mad with Rooney is pointless. The lad was 17 and remembering how naive and daft I was at that age I’m not sure how good a fist I would have made of his situation at the time. (Think I’d have drawn a line at Granny’s mind, but 17-year-old hormones being what they are, who knows?)
Is there anyone on this site who has stayed in their present job rather than go to another company which is paying more money?
Loyalty and following boyhood dreams is all well and good but it doesn’t pay the bills or secure your family’s future. Very few employers really care about their staff or reciprocate your loyalty. Football, Everton and Rooney are no different.
If I were in his shoes I would (regretfully) have done the same, more money, more chances of success, better competitions.
He was a total prick though when he came back to Goodison kissing the Man U badge etc. The negative feelings from the fans were well justified - let’s hope he’s grown up and we can all move on, it’s been nearly 6 years.
Loyalty and following boyhood dreams is all well and good but it doesn’t pay the bills or secure your family’s future. Very few employers really care about their staff or reciprocate your loyalty. Football, Everton and Rooney are no different.
If I were in his shoes I would (regretfully) have done the same, more money, more chances of success, better competitions.
He was a total prick though when he came back to Goodison kissing the Man U badge etc. The negative feelings from the fans were well justified - let’s hope he’s grown up and we can all move on, it’s been nearly 6 years.
I’m a big fan of ignoring opposing team players and concentrating on our own in matches; however, I break this rule for two players: Gerrard and Rooney. The last two times I’ve been to united matches I’ve more more than vocal against Rooney... In the last one, my throat gave out and Iost my voice.
I made this exception because losing the greatest player in a generation — and perhaps ever — hurt like hell...
However, I think it’s probably time to move on...
I made this exception because losing the greatest player in a generation — and perhaps ever — hurt like hell...
However, I think it’s probably time to move on...
Michael, you really are full of sanctimonious claptrap... you don't know better than me or the next person the ’true’ reasons behind Rooney's departure or the role played by various persons in the whole debacle so don't state them as some sort of factual statement.
Secondly, in one breath you defend the right of Rooney to claim he is an Evertonian, whilst insulting John Nelson (’fans like you’) and countless other evertonians I know who share his opinion. Your quest to pin blame on Moyes for every fucking thing that ever goes against the club is quite embarrassing at times and clouds your judgement.
Football is a game of passion and the following of it to the extent we do on here defies all ’logic’ and ’reason’. Yet because a few thousand people will boo a player who declared he wanted to become a legend at our club and then went off to near rivals spouting ill-informed bile in our direction as he did so, we are the ones who need to ’get real’ or ’get over it’. Bollocks.
So instead of taking the moral high ground with and being ’shocked’ and ’saddened’ with fellow Evertonians (excluding Wayne and those who agree with you of course), try to accept that many Evertonians will go on hating Rooney for a long, long time because football is about emotion not reason.
I've been an EFC fan longer than most, starting back in 1948, and the vitriol cast at Rooney is awful!! Lots of other supposed ’legends’ have done precisely the same and some have prospered and others not.
He was in a very poor unambitious and ageing team when he left and I'm sure he would have loved to have played in our current team... BUT, many others have left us and some went to Liverpool. I include Hickson who is now revered as a ’legend’.
The lad was ambitious and wanted to win trophies..good luck to him. I hope we beat Utd and that's the main thing we should concentrate on and not to stoop to hurling insults at our best player we have ever produced through our youth system.
His transfer bailed our club out and he was our only asset... no-one else was worth a fraction of his transfer fee. I hope he stays injury free and helps England to win the World Cup.
I think people who are from and around the city can only realise what a scumbag he actually is. The amount of people from around the world who I have this discussion with, really cannot understand why we hate him so much.
I think it's because he grew up in the city with the rest of us and went through all the shit we went through but still doesn't give a fuck about what we think. The RS had Gerrard who at the time we thought was loyal through and through. Then what he done and the way he acted made me feel a embarrassed to be an Evertonian, but now I realise he's just a fat little nobhead with no respect for his city.
How can people compare this situation to them being offered a job with a different company for more money!!! You mean you would lose all respect from the people you grew up with for a 25 bedroom mansion instead of a 15 bedroom mansion??
I have no feelings whatsoever towards him. To me, he played for Everton for less than two years... therefore, his loss impacts me about as much as losing Radzinski did. He’s just a player.
We’ve gone on to perform just as well as we would have done with him in all competitions. Perhaps better, because we would have been a one man side — whilst United accommodate him in a technically great team.
We got a very fair fee for him. In fact, when he’s sold on from United (which is almost inevitable with their debt), we’ll get another fair fee too — what's 20% of £80M? :)
I will treat him as any other player who plays against us. I will neither boo nor clap him, I will simply concentrate on my own team and hope that we win.
If he scores and kisses the badge/ jumps up and down like a schoolboy etc he can fuck off; if he scores and acts with some dignity, good on him I hope he doesn't score and plays shit because, when he isn't playing well, neither do Man Utd.
At the end of the day, I don't care what he does — I just want us to win.
Can we not just take some satisfaction that we are responsible for producing a player has the ability to become one of the all time legends of world football. It is just a shame that Everton could never offer him what modern football demands, either financially or in terms of honours.
The days of people like Matt Le Tissier are gone, John Terry struck lucky that Abramovich came along just as his career was taking off and our friend Mr Gerrard still has a deluded dream that Liverpool will win the League during his career.
The days of people like Matt Le Tissier are gone, John Terry struck lucky that Abramovich came along just as his career was taking off and our friend Mr Gerrard still has a deluded dream that Liverpool will win the League during his career.
I dont think any of us really know exactly what went on, but given BK (and I am not anti- or pro-BK) has proven in the past that he is, at times, full of shit, I think the pound signs in his eyes, rather than the trophies in Rooney’s, is the most likely reason he left us.
I used to despise the fat little runt, but I think with maturity, I don't forgive him, but I have moved on. I won't be booing him (it only makes him play better!) and I am quite proud that the best English player for decades will always be associated with us and IS still a supporter of Everton and will bring his kids up to be the same.
I just hope he has a shit game against us and then goes on to fire Utd to the league title and overtake the redshites haul of 18.
I reckon the Untited fans will be just as vocal against Neville for engineering his move to Everton.
As regards Rooney, when he left I was gutted but could understand why he went. However, I thought he should’ve at least given us another year or two and then moved on if we hadn't of improved.
The person I think that is most to blame and doesn't get much of a note here is Stretford the snake; as soon as he got his claws into Rooney, he was destined to leave. At the end of the day, an agent doesn't make any money when a player doesn't move clubs, and to prove how much of a snake Stretford is he is now being sued by the agency that employed him when he poached Rooney. Unfortunately, he now has Rodwell under his wing so expect him to move in a year or two as well — as I stated, agents make no money when a player doesn't move.
On Rooney's situation, though, I do know that he didn't help himself when coming back and kissing the Man Utd badge and this is his own fault. As stated previously he’s not the most intelligent and I also believe that if he were a bit older, when he fell out with Moyes he wouldn't have shown such petulance and wanted to leave so early, he would’ve stayed and sorted it out.
As regards Stubbs, I agree that someone like him who's an Evertonian through and through and supposedly Rooney's best mate should’ve advised him to stay at the club a bit longer. I still believe if Rooney had stayed longer, he would’ve attracted more quality players to the club and we would’ve improved with him; as it happens, we’ve improved without him.
John, agree one hundred per cent with your thoughtful comments. There are a few things I’d like to add:
An obvious point is that a key aspect of United’s success has been player loyalty. Over the last 15 or so years they’ve had a core of experienced players who have been loyal to them, allowing them to build and attain a consistency no other club can match, even by throwing money at it. If Evertonian born and bred players can’t show loyalty to the club, how are we ever going to challenge United’s dominance?
When people say it was a smart move on his part financially and in terms of winning trophies, that’s just something I don’t understand. I’d sooner play for Everton and win fuck all than go to United and win everything.
I think Michael Kenrick’s position is a ridiculous conspiracy and I’m consistently appalled by many contributors to this site who rubbish Kenright, Moyes and the club’s management. But I won’t go into that now. Let’s suppose they’re right and Rooney is just a pawn (which I don’t accept). To say that just because he was a stupid boy who was used by advisors one way or another doesn’t make it any less galling what he does. Let’s suppose Rooney is a robot, with no brain whatsoever, remote controlled from some far off planet. We still believed in Rooney as a symbol, and when he kisses the united badge it’s a smack in the face: The symbol Wayne Rooney is an insult to Evertonians.
Kenrick argues that he’s one of the best footballers in the world, as if that in itself is a reason not to hate him. So by that logic, if he was a shite footballer it would be fine to hate him? It makes no fucking sense; his quality only increases the pain.
Anyway, if we don’t hate what we once loved, in true Shakespearian style, what’s the point of being a football supporter? To get a nice tidy result and collect the wins? Fuck that. In my life outside Goodison I have to watch what I say, hate no one, punch a clock in, do what I’m told. I have no problem with this. I believe in society and the general law, if not the specifics and the governments that enact them. But in football it’s different. No one can tell me not to hate him for shattering my dreams.
An obvious point is that a key aspect of United’s success has been player loyalty. Over the last 15 or so years they’ve had a core of experienced players who have been loyal to them, allowing them to build and attain a consistency no other club can match, even by throwing money at it. If Evertonian born and bred players can’t show loyalty to the club, how are we ever going to challenge United’s dominance?
When people say it was a smart move on his part financially and in terms of winning trophies, that’s just something I don’t understand. I’d sooner play for Everton and win fuck all than go to United and win everything.
I think Michael Kenrick’s position is a ridiculous conspiracy and I’m consistently appalled by many contributors to this site who rubbish Kenright, Moyes and the club’s management. But I won’t go into that now. Let’s suppose they’re right and Rooney is just a pawn (which I don’t accept). To say that just because he was a stupid boy who was used by advisors one way or another doesn’t make it any less galling what he does. Let’s suppose Rooney is a robot, with no brain whatsoever, remote controlled from some far off planet. We still believed in Rooney as a symbol, and when he kisses the united badge it’s a smack in the face: The symbol Wayne Rooney is an insult to Evertonians.
Kenrick argues that he’s one of the best footballers in the world, as if that in itself is a reason not to hate him. So by that logic, if he was a shite footballer it would be fine to hate him? It makes no fucking sense; his quality only increases the pain.
Anyway, if we don’t hate what we once loved, in true Shakespearian style, what’s the point of being a football supporter? To get a nice tidy result and collect the wins? Fuck that. In my life outside Goodison I have to watch what I say, hate no one, punch a clock in, do what I’m told. I have no problem with this. I believe in society and the general law, if not the specifics and the governments that enact them. But in football it’s different. No one can tell me not to hate him for shattering my dreams.
I’ve never really had a problem with Rooney apart from intense disappointment that he left. But then I haven’t lived in Liverpool for 40 years and thus don’t go to the game regularly. I noticed John lives in Liverpool. I wonder if distance lends itself it to dispassion on a subject like this. Just a thought; probably complete bollocks!
Liam.........funny as fuck mate!!
Derek Thomas, couldn’t have put it better myself.
As far as I’m concerned the little shit can fuck off.
It took him nearly six years, yes SIX fucking years, to say anything positive about Everton.
Some people on here wonder why, and are aghast at the fact, that Duncan Ferguson is loved so much. Well one of the reasons is because when he left, he spent the majority of his Newcastle press conference going on about how much he loves, AND RESPECTS, Everton Football Club and the fans (and then wrote a letter to the Echo to say the same thing).
What did Rooney say in his Man Utd press conference when asked about Everton? Oh yeah, ‘’the truth will come out one day’’.
What truth might that be Wayne – that pack of lies you wrote about David Moyes in your book?
Has Rooney shown any respect for those who helped bring him through, especially Colin Harvey? Has he shite.
Granted, we were broke at the time. Granted, Stretford is a lying fraudulent prick (see that court case when his own QC called him an ‘’unreliable witness’’ – which, by the way, he still hasn’t been prosecuted for). Granted, there were many movers and shakers that set up his transfer.
But there is no excuse, no excuse at all, for his behaviour towards the club and the fans since he left.
You’re a fucking gobshite Wayne, and I for one will give you a shit load of stick, and hopefully that wiskey nosed prick will have to take you off again before your sent off.
One final thought. Has anyone, anyone at all, got on to the fact that all this Rooney love in is the work of Sir Alex? He knows Rooney gets a rough ride at Goodison. He knows that there is a 50/50 chance between him playing great or losing his head. So, in his wisdom, tells Wayne to say a few nice things so the fans aren’t as hostile?
If some of you want to be taken in by this bullshit then so be it – but I fucking won’t be.
It took him nearly six years, yes SIX fucking years, to say anything positive about Everton.
Some people on here wonder why, and are aghast at the fact, that Duncan Ferguson is loved so much. Well one of the reasons is because when he left, he spent the majority of his Newcastle press conference going on about how much he loves, AND RESPECTS, Everton Football Club and the fans (and then wrote a letter to the Echo to say the same thing).
What did Rooney say in his Man Utd press conference when asked about Everton? Oh yeah, ‘’the truth will come out one day’’.
What truth might that be Wayne – that pack of lies you wrote about David Moyes in your book?
Has Rooney shown any respect for those who helped bring him through, especially Colin Harvey? Has he shite.
Granted, we were broke at the time. Granted, Stretford is a lying fraudulent prick (see that court case when his own QC called him an ‘’unreliable witness’’ – which, by the way, he still hasn’t been prosecuted for). Granted, there were many movers and shakers that set up his transfer.
But there is no excuse, no excuse at all, for his behaviour towards the club and the fans since he left.
You’re a fucking gobshite Wayne, and I for one will give you a shit load of stick, and hopefully that wiskey nosed prick will have to take you off again before your sent off.
One final thought. Has anyone, anyone at all, got on to the fact that all this Rooney love in is the work of Sir Alex? He knows Rooney gets a rough ride at Goodison. He knows that there is a 50/50 chance between him playing great or losing his head. So, in his wisdom, tells Wayne to say a few nice things so the fans aren’t as hostile?
If some of you want to be taken in by this bullshit then so be it – but I fucking won’t be.
Move on and be more worried about how we stop him scoring on Saturday....
I’ve never been angry with Rooney over the transfer.... its football, and we’ve seen it many times before. I won’t be gutted if we cash in on Rodwell either, because the sale of these talented Evertonians is moving the club forward. We were an incredibly shit team when he played, and now we’re good.
The one thing that made my blood boil was watching us throw away that 2 goal lead (don’t forget that beautiful strike from Manny to put us 2 up)... and watch a so called Evertonian rub it in our faces. That’s as angy as I’ve ever felt, and he’ll have to show a lot more respect on Saturday, even if he does get booed by a few nobheads.
Don’t really know why I insist on going to the Utd games! It's almost as bad as a derby!!!
The one thing that made my blood boil was watching us throw away that 2 goal lead (don’t forget that beautiful strike from Manny to put us 2 up)... and watch a so called Evertonian rub it in our faces. That’s as angy as I’ve ever felt, and he’ll have to show a lot more respect on Saturday, even if he does get booed by a few nobheads.
Don’t really know why I insist on going to the Utd games! It's almost as bad as a derby!!!
Rooney was brainwashed. But you cannot deny, he has done very well.
I bet Alan Shearer regrets not going to Man zUtd when he had the chance.
We should neither boo him or clap him. Just keep singing Everton songs.
If we boo him, it will get his back up and he will tear us apart.
Why does anyone still give a shit? It's been years. Everyone should think about the well rounded, well thought out decisions they made in their teens.
Seriously it’s fans like the OP that made Rooney celebrate wildley and kiss the UTD Badge.
Sometimes I think that Everton fans can be a fickle hateful bunch.
We were all pissed he moved on but most got over it. The rest treat him like crap everytime we play them and then wonder why he does what he does.
It’s the ultimate irony really.
Sometimes I think that Everton fans can be a fickle hateful bunch.
We were all pissed he moved on but most got over it. The rest treat him like crap everytime we play them and then wonder why he does what he does.
It’s the ultimate irony really.
What bollox Kenrick. You spout the same shit about Speed leaving as if you know the inside info. They’re both greedy bastards.
How did Kenwright engineer Rooney’s badge kissing? Why did Rooney fall out with his manager? That went through the courts and was proved Rooney made it all up. If anyone engineered a move it was Rooney and his corrupt agent. Newcaslte offered a better cash deal for Rooney so if it was all Kenwright’s fault why didn’t he just take their offer? Rooney was the one crying because he wanted to go to down the M62.
Rooney shafted us and has treated us with contempt ever since. He can fuck off, he’s as bad as a red shite in my eyes.
How did Kenwright engineer Rooney’s badge kissing? Why did Rooney fall out with his manager? That went through the courts and was proved Rooney made it all up. If anyone engineered a move it was Rooney and his corrupt agent. Newcaslte offered a better cash deal for Rooney so if it was all Kenwright’s fault why didn’t he just take their offer? Rooney was the one crying because he wanted to go to down the M62.
Rooney shafted us and has treated us with contempt ever since. He can fuck off, he’s as bad as a red shite in my eyes.
No one player is bigger than Everton Football Club. We benefited from the deal and so did he. He Chose to move on to win things and 6 years on he’s proved that right, league titles and champions league. The past is the past, it’s history!
Any player would jump at an opportunity to win things regardless of their ties with boyhood clubs.
I don’t go along with MK’s conspiracy theory either. I have one of my own. I don’t for the following reasons:-
Shortly before Rooney set of for the Euro’s there was an article in the Evetronian about him in which he stated his only ambition was to play for Everton and one day be the Club captain. More importantly, a few days later he repeated those sentiments in the national press which is perhaps more pertinent.
Eighteen months earlier (when Rooney was 14) Utd had tried to coax him there then but he had flatly refused to go.
He was over the moon to sign his first professional contract for Everton at 16 and said so publicly.
Off he went to the Euro’s as a bright young thing and after a few games he was well on the way to becoming the player of the tournament. Even Zidane said he was one of the best prospects he had ever seen or played against. Then his injury put paid to that.
There is evidence of him falling out with Moyes after he expressed his wish to leave and after he did leave but there is no evidence of him falling out with him before that time.
Suddenly, while enjoying the glory of his Euro performances the press decides he needs a bigger club. Fergusons mate Stretford gets involved and starts to say the same thing. God only knows what whispers there were in the lads ear from the likes of Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes et al in the England hotel at the time.
Hey presto, no sooner had the lad become unsettled than an offer from Newcastle came in. This caught Rooney, his agent and Ferguson by surprise and the process of prising him away from Everton had to be accelerated.
The lad’s head was turned by his new found fame and the concerted efforts of Ferguson, his mate Stretford and Manure players at the Euro’s.
Simple as that. Now we have to move on.
Shortly before Rooney set of for the Euro’s there was an article in the Evetronian about him in which he stated his only ambition was to play for Everton and one day be the Club captain. More importantly, a few days later he repeated those sentiments in the national press which is perhaps more pertinent.
Eighteen months earlier (when Rooney was 14) Utd had tried to coax him there then but he had flatly refused to go.
He was over the moon to sign his first professional contract for Everton at 16 and said so publicly.
Off he went to the Euro’s as a bright young thing and after a few games he was well on the way to becoming the player of the tournament. Even Zidane said he was one of the best prospects he had ever seen or played against. Then his injury put paid to that.
There is evidence of him falling out with Moyes after he expressed his wish to leave and after he did leave but there is no evidence of him falling out with him before that time.
Suddenly, while enjoying the glory of his Euro performances the press decides he needs a bigger club. Fergusons mate Stretford gets involved and starts to say the same thing. God only knows what whispers there were in the lads ear from the likes of Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes et al in the England hotel at the time.
Hey presto, no sooner had the lad become unsettled than an offer from Newcastle came in. This caught Rooney, his agent and Ferguson by surprise and the process of prising him away from Everton had to be accelerated.
The lad’s head was turned by his new found fame and the concerted efforts of Ferguson, his mate Stretford and Manure players at the Euro’s.
Simple as that. Now we have to move on.
The trouble was with Rooney that he pissed off at the first chance he got.
Had he had stayed at Everton and played for the club a few more seasons then I doubt he would be so hated.
Everton were struggling when he left but he could have given them a couple more seasons to improve.
If at the age of 23 Everton hadn’t won anything with Rooney and he requested a move the fans would probably have accepted it.
But he didn’t do that. Instead he made a huge deal of being 100% Everton. Talked all this rubbish about "once an Evertonian always an Evertonian", even made us believe he had Everton wallpaper.
Then he pissed off aged 18 at the first chance he got. He didn’t even seem to think about it he just jumped ship as quick as he could.
I really wish Rooney had been a big enough Evertonian to the club say 5 years. He could have still gone to Man Utd in his 20s and won everything.
Had he had stayed at Everton and played for the club a few more seasons then I doubt he would be so hated.
Everton were struggling when he left but he could have given them a couple more seasons to improve.
If at the age of 23 Everton hadn’t won anything with Rooney and he requested a move the fans would probably have accepted it.
But he didn’t do that. Instead he made a huge deal of being 100% Everton. Talked all this rubbish about "once an Evertonian always an Evertonian", even made us believe he had Everton wallpaper.
Then he pissed off aged 18 at the first chance he got. He didn’t even seem to think about it he just jumped ship as quick as he could.
I really wish Rooney had been a big enough Evertonian to the club say 5 years. He could have still gone to Man Utd in his 20s and won everything.
He has gone, and we are in a better position than we would have been because of it. I mean we think we have money and transfer problems now. It could have been worse.
Yeah he kissed his badge, to be fare he was getting a fare bit of stick at the time. Kissing his badge was nothing like the things that I heard being shouted at him.
Anyway, I for one think he appreciated his time at the club, but he was too good for where we were at the time.
Move on, show some appreciation especially the England fans amoungst us.
Yeah he kissed his badge, to be fare he was getting a fare bit of stick at the time. Kissing his badge was nothing like the things that I heard being shouted at him.
Anyway, I for one think he appreciated his time at the club, but he was too good for where we were at the time.
Move on, show some appreciation especially the England fans amoungst us.
I’ve been away from Merseyside for 30 years and its not diminished for me! If I was on twenty grand at Everton they couldnt have shifted me for all the dosh in Texas — I’d have slept in a sleeping bag at Bellefield!
But I’ve heard MK’s version of events from more than one sensible and usually reliable source and happen to think it's nearest the truth than we’ll ever hear. He was probably a bigger blue than I am and it just doesn't make sense that he would jump ship at the first chance he got!
But I’ve heard MK’s version of events from more than one sensible and usually reliable source and happen to think it's nearest the truth than we’ll ever hear. He was probably a bigger blue than I am and it just doesn't make sense that he would jump ship at the first chance he got!
I don’t often agree with our esteemed editor but in this case he’s mostly right on all four points.
The sad fact is that the Wayne Rooney transfer probably saved Everton Football club and the transfer was manipulated by those who have power at Everton to make it look like it was all the players doing — when it was nothing of the kind.
The transfer suited four different parties.
1. It suited the player — he had an immediate stratospheric increase in wages and the prospect of winning trophies at Manchester United — something Everton couldn’t give him
2. It suited the manager — who by the time of his departure was by many accounts finding Rooney difficult to manage.
3. It suited Rooney’s despicable agent who earned himself a nice little payday by no doubt fermenting Rooney’s growing discontent
4. It suited Kenwright — who despite his protestations of intent to keep Rooney knew that one OTT career ending tackle would have made Everton’s biggest asset valueless.
The only people who a Rooney transfer didn’t suit were the Everton supporters who would be denied the pleasure of English football’s finest talent for a generation wearing the blue of Everton.
With that in mind the supporters had to be sold a myth — and that myth was that it was all down to a greedy player doing his utmost to leave the club he supported as a boy.
What bollocks — yet it was lapped up by the supporters — just like the myth makers knew it would be.
I can’t be arsed booing Rooney — though, I didn’t like his badge kissing antics.
I’ll leave the booing to the perfoming seals who have been chucked a fish by Kenwright and Co and choose not to think about stuff deeper than "He’s a greedy Manc cunt".
The sad fact is that the Wayne Rooney transfer probably saved Everton Football club and the transfer was manipulated by those who have power at Everton to make it look like it was all the players doing — when it was nothing of the kind.
The transfer suited four different parties.
1. It suited the player — he had an immediate stratospheric increase in wages and the prospect of winning trophies at Manchester United — something Everton couldn’t give him
2. It suited the manager — who by the time of his departure was by many accounts finding Rooney difficult to manage.
3. It suited Rooney’s despicable agent who earned himself a nice little payday by no doubt fermenting Rooney’s growing discontent
4. It suited Kenwright — who despite his protestations of intent to keep Rooney knew that one OTT career ending tackle would have made Everton’s biggest asset valueless.
The only people who a Rooney transfer didn’t suit were the Everton supporters who would be denied the pleasure of English football’s finest talent for a generation wearing the blue of Everton.
With that in mind the supporters had to be sold a myth — and that myth was that it was all down to a greedy player doing his utmost to leave the club he supported as a boy.
What bollocks — yet it was lapped up by the supporters — just like the myth makers knew it would be.
I can’t be arsed booing Rooney — though, I didn’t like his badge kissing antics.
I’ll leave the booing to the perfoming seals who have been chucked a fish by Kenwright and Co and choose not to think about stuff deeper than "He’s a greedy Manc cunt".
I am a big Evertonian and the honest truth is I would have played for them for at least 5 years.
No amount of money would have got me to leave. No amount of pressure from agents of management could have got me to leave.
I’m not saying I would never leave Everton, eventually I would have wanted to win something and play Champions League football.
But I would have given Everton 5 years of my career.
No amount of money would have got me to leave. No amount of pressure from agents of management could have got me to leave.
I’m not saying I would never leave Everton, eventually I would have wanted to win something and play Champions League football.
But I would have given Everton 5 years of my career.
Arguably the funds made from Rooney’s sale has since been reinvested and recycled to bring in the likes of Arteta, Andy Johnson, Howard, etc. One excellent player or a good team, which would you have?
We all have our opinions of the Rooney saga, but at the end of the day we will have
to deal with him on Saturday, on the pitch, and not the terraces
to deal with him on Saturday, on the pitch, and not the terraces
After reading the above comments, there are a lot of valid points from both sides of the argument. Also I do apologise if some of my comments insulted some fans i.e. telling them to go and support the dark side.
However I reiterate my main gripe is the fact he gave us only 2 years and WANTED to leave. That I can never forgive him for.
Also, say it was Everton who did force him out, why did he celebrate like mad and kiss the badge in front of us, the fans? What did we ever do to him?
However I reiterate my main gripe is the fact he gave us only 2 years and WANTED to leave. That I can never forgive him for.
Also, say it was Everton who did force him out, why did he celebrate like mad and kiss the badge in front of us, the fans? What did we ever do to him?
Just wonder if we will shortly be saying all of the above about Jack Rodwell...God forbid !!!
It’s just a job like your and mine.He chose to change employers and should not have to account to anyone unless he broke a contract. He is probably the finest talent ever to come from this city and may still prove to be the best that England has ever seen.His skill and vision is unbelievable and if we give him an inch on Saturday he will kill us.Personally I love watching him play just as I enjoyed watching Best,Cruyff and Pele no matter whose shirt he is wearing. Unfortunately at the time he went, Everton were poor both teamwise and moneywise and I would have gone too! Good luck to him and England.
I don’t blame rooney and agree club wanted rid just as much as he wanted to go. Yes I boo hmi and will continue to do so as well, not because I hate him but because he’s clearly reacts and is prone to get sent off or subbed by fergie before he gets sent off.
Oh and Ted, I understand your point and many make it regarding who would not move to a company offering more money. But we’re talking about moving from Everton here, a club all blues love, often as much as their own flesh and blood so not a like for like comparison.
Oh and Ted, I understand your point and many make it regarding who would not move to a company offering more money. But we’re talking about moving from Everton here, a club all blues love, often as much as their own flesh and blood so not a like for like comparison.
I havent read all the responses as i aint got to much of my dinner break left - but my point on Rooney is - ITS OLD NEWS - He was with us but he has gone - fair do’s in bad curcumstances - Hes been gone for nearly 6 years - so lets just forget about him - hes a shit hot player - one of the best in the world but he dont belong to us - hes says he is still an Everton fan - well good on him - but no one is bigger than Everton Football Club - including Wayne so lets forget about him - no booing on Saturday - its just a waste of breathe - lets concentrate on our own - COYB
The reasons for Rooney’s departure will probably never be known other than by those who were involved - so all this ’I know more than you do’ one-upmanship is tiresome.
And whilst understanding the oft-expressed sentiment that ’I’d play for Everton for nothing...’, to footballers, it’s not a rest-of-life, in-the-blood thing - it’s a job. We’d all change jobs for the money wouldn’t we? Especially for the sums he will doubtless have been offered.
However, what makes me despise Rooney is the betrayal and hypocrisy he has so readily demonstrated: from the two-faced ’once a blue...’ shirt, to lying about Moyes pushing him out and then deliberately celebrating in a knowingly-spiteful manner.
He’s a great player and I dearly wish he was still here.
But he’s also shown his true colours and a complete lack of respect for Everton.
Accordingly, he deserves absolutely no respect in return and I think it is perfectly acceptable to reciprocate and make his visit as personally uncomfortable as possible. He’s a most vile example of today’s typical premiership footballer, so give him all the abuse he deserves.
Good luck? Good riddance!
And whilst understanding the oft-expressed sentiment that ’I’d play for Everton for nothing...’, to footballers, it’s not a rest-of-life, in-the-blood thing - it’s a job. We’d all change jobs for the money wouldn’t we? Especially for the sums he will doubtless have been offered.
However, what makes me despise Rooney is the betrayal and hypocrisy he has so readily demonstrated: from the two-faced ’once a blue...’ shirt, to lying about Moyes pushing him out and then deliberately celebrating in a knowingly-spiteful manner.
He’s a great player and I dearly wish he was still here.
But he’s also shown his true colours and a complete lack of respect for Everton.
Accordingly, he deserves absolutely no respect in return and I think it is perfectly acceptable to reciprocate and make his visit as personally uncomfortable as possible. He’s a most vile example of today’s typical premiership footballer, so give him all the abuse he deserves.
Good luck? Good riddance!
"Once a Blue always a Manc."
Great footballer.
Gobshite scally.
Not worth any more words than that.
Great footballer.
Gobshite scally.
Not worth any more words than that.
The bit that I find difficult to swallow is listening to Alex Ferguson claiming that Utd are responsible for Rooney...."Although he came from Everton, the fans will always look at him as one of the players who has grown up with us."( You could hardly hear him say "Everton")
Utd didn’t spend £27m on "potential" like Ferguson states. Rooney HAS obviously matured but the player’s talent and development was nurtured here and are Everton’s responsibility.
Utd didn’t spend £27m on "potential" like Ferguson states. Rooney HAS obviously matured but the player’s talent and development was nurtured here and are Everton’s responsibility.
This article is spot-on, the fucker burnt his bridges with us years ago. So what that he’s won a few trophys since he left,when he comes back to the City when his career is over,who will be interested in seeing the medals he’s won with Manure?
Had he give us a few more years to see if we progressed and moved on if we didn’t I think we’d have more respect for him,and some of his sly comments about EFC in the press over the past 5 years have done him no favours either.
Had he give us a few more years to see if we progressed and moved on if we didn’t I think we’d have more respect for him,and some of his sly comments about EFC in the press over the past 5 years have done him no favours either.
Its quite simple a young 15 year old with more money than sense made some mistakes. When Utd, Everton and agents wanted the move the scumbag gutter press stepped in and made him a laughing stock. Being 17 at this stage he wanted to escape it. Being 17 he listend to people who he thought had his best interest at heart and moved.
Grown men then took this personally and thought it was ok to shout horrible things at a teenager. When the teenager reacted in the only way he could scoring goals and celebrating the same grown men that threw foul abuse at a kid got insulted. Because when the kid was 14 he wore a t shirt with a logo on it so he should live by that logo for the rest of his life. When i was 14 i had a tshirt with Metalica on it now i think they are shit things change.
Ive moved on i allways wonder what if he had stayed but i wonder about a lot of things. I would love to have him back some day.
I wont boo him i wont cheer him. Ill fear him when he is attacking like every other player attacking and after the game ill start to worry about the next team.
Grown men then took this personally and thought it was ok to shout horrible things at a teenager. When the teenager reacted in the only way he could scoring goals and celebrating the same grown men that threw foul abuse at a kid got insulted. Because when the kid was 14 he wore a t shirt with a logo on it so he should live by that logo for the rest of his life. When i was 14 i had a tshirt with Metalica on it now i think they are shit things change.
Ive moved on i allways wonder what if he had stayed but i wonder about a lot of things. I would love to have him back some day.
I wont boo him i wont cheer him. Ill fear him when he is attacking like every other player attacking and after the game ill start to worry about the next team.
Kevin
"...he’s mostly right on all four points"
How do you know all this?
And if all gospel, how was Rooney persuaded to agree to conceal the truth and even add fuel to the conspiracy by deliberately and publicly treating Everton and its fans as if he were, in fact, a genuine "greedy Manc cunt"?
"...he’s mostly right on all four points"
How do you know all this?
And if all gospel, how was Rooney persuaded to agree to conceal the truth and even add fuel to the conspiracy by deliberately and publicly treating Everton and its fans as if he were, in fact, a genuine "greedy Manc cunt"?
Not this again.
Rooney was a kid, a higely talented kid and, rather pertinently, a VERY badly advised kid.
And yes, he’s also done stupid things like kiss the Man Utd badge at Goodison. A very stupid thing to do. But come on, it wasn’t like he just did it without provocation, or is the view of some people that an entrance fee entitles fans to shout whatever they like, however abusive?
This is one humungous load of irrelevance. I’d love it if Goodison showed others the way to go by either ignoring Rooney or, even better, applauding him. There are good reasons why.
Rooney plays on the edge. He is at his finest when highly motivated or inspired. Nothing would inspire him more on Saturday than constant barracking from Evertonians. It’s a stupid tactic, quite aside from being incredibly immature.
I adore Rooney. I adore his mix of incredible talent, enthusiasm, commitment and tenacity. He is the finest British footballer since George Best. I’m delighted he’s English. He was made in Liverpool in the mould of Everton. He is still a blue, but he’s also a professional footballer. And very soon he will be England captain.
Whatever the history, time moves on. Nobody realy knows the full story and it doesn’t fucking matter. At that time Everton needed the money FAR MORE than it needed Rooney. And frankly the idea of middle aged men bawling their abusive mouths off at, essentially, a kid because he had the temerity to leave their club and beter himself (and win countless medals) is both amusing and sad.
I say applaud him. Sing "Once a blue always a blue". Don’t taunt & motivate him. We’re better than that and, quite clearly, so too is Wayne Rooney now.
Rooney was a kid, a higely talented kid and, rather pertinently, a VERY badly advised kid.
And yes, he’s also done stupid things like kiss the Man Utd badge at Goodison. A very stupid thing to do. But come on, it wasn’t like he just did it without provocation, or is the view of some people that an entrance fee entitles fans to shout whatever they like, however abusive?
This is one humungous load of irrelevance. I’d love it if Goodison showed others the way to go by either ignoring Rooney or, even better, applauding him. There are good reasons why.
Rooney plays on the edge. He is at his finest when highly motivated or inspired. Nothing would inspire him more on Saturday than constant barracking from Evertonians. It’s a stupid tactic, quite aside from being incredibly immature.
I adore Rooney. I adore his mix of incredible talent, enthusiasm, commitment and tenacity. He is the finest British footballer since George Best. I’m delighted he’s English. He was made in Liverpool in the mould of Everton. He is still a blue, but he’s also a professional footballer. And very soon he will be England captain.
Whatever the history, time moves on. Nobody realy knows the full story and it doesn’t fucking matter. At that time Everton needed the money FAR MORE than it needed Rooney. And frankly the idea of middle aged men bawling their abusive mouths off at, essentially, a kid because he had the temerity to leave their club and beter himself (and win countless medals) is both amusing and sad.
I say applaud him. Sing "Once a blue always a blue". Don’t taunt & motivate him. We’re better than that and, quite clearly, so too is Wayne Rooney now.
Alan
I hope he’s as inspired by the abuse as he was last season when he was hauled off before his head exploded
I hope he’s as inspired by the abuse as he was last season when he was hauled off before his head exploded
Can we stop with this "it is just like you changing jobs for more money" nonsense.
I can bet most people on this site didn’t grow up dreaming of working for their current employer. They didn’t go to watch their current employer’s business operate every Saturday and they certainly didn’t wear a t shirt saying "once a City Council Employee always a city council employee" or whatever the relevant business was. When they left the City Council to go and work for ICI did they parade past city council offices kissing their ICI staff card? No.
I can bet most people on this site didn’t grow up dreaming of working for their current employer. They didn’t go to watch their current employer’s business operate every Saturday and they certainly didn’t wear a t shirt saying "once a City Council Employee always a city council employee" or whatever the relevant business was. When they left the City Council to go and work for ICI did they parade past city council offices kissing their ICI staff card? No.
I am not a selfish man.
Bill Dean - the greatest forward to ever play the game played and died at Goodison.
Rooney? Does not have the Right Stuff.
Bill Dean - the greatest forward to ever play the game played and died at Goodison.
Rooney? Does not have the Right Stuff.
Fuck me it took quite a while to reach a mature post on this thread but thankfully Alan Kirwin put his keyboard into action and what we have is a response that most sensible level headed toffees would agree with.
Young Wayne was barely out of nappies when he played for us, and if he hadnt been a footballer he probably would of been doing the dustbin rounds! He didnt know shit about anything in and around 2004 he was young, clueless but bloody talented. He left to make best use of that talent - sadly Everton couldnt then and still cant provide for the type of footballer Rooney is, ie world class and wanting to win the best trophies!! If we had Man Citys money on 04 he would of stayed - you bet yer.
Wayne Rooney is my all time favourite British footballer - he is wonderfully talented, but what I love most about him is that he earns his crust week in week out - that boy puts in the kind of shift every 90 mins that most players would take 3 games to!! He doesnt take his job lightly - he works his arse off whilst keeping himself pretty much to himself off the pitch. He hasnt got a trophy wag - his misses as we know was wiv him before he was famous so we know dam well she aint in it for the cash!!
Yeah it was bad when he left - but thats because he’s the greatest talent since Best or Robson!!! He prob still does support Everton - and as for thebadge kissing - well i havent been at those Goodison games - but im sure some real nasty stuff was thrown at him to do that.
If i played for Everton, left and then returned to have people yelling about my families imminet death etc etc... Id kiss the fucking badge in the Park End as well!!!
I say cheer Rooney on then concentrate on our boys. Anything else is just boring maronic bullshit - its 6 years and if we aint got nothing to do then what a sad sorry bunch we are!!!
Young Wayne was barely out of nappies when he played for us, and if he hadnt been a footballer he probably would of been doing the dustbin rounds! He didnt know shit about anything in and around 2004 he was young, clueless but bloody talented. He left to make best use of that talent - sadly Everton couldnt then and still cant provide for the type of footballer Rooney is, ie world class and wanting to win the best trophies!! If we had Man Citys money on 04 he would of stayed - you bet yer.
Wayne Rooney is my all time favourite British footballer - he is wonderfully talented, but what I love most about him is that he earns his crust week in week out - that boy puts in the kind of shift every 90 mins that most players would take 3 games to!! He doesnt take his job lightly - he works his arse off whilst keeping himself pretty much to himself off the pitch. He hasnt got a trophy wag - his misses as we know was wiv him before he was famous so we know dam well she aint in it for the cash!!
Yeah it was bad when he left - but thats because he’s the greatest talent since Best or Robson!!! He prob still does support Everton - and as for thebadge kissing - well i havent been at those Goodison games - but im sure some real nasty stuff was thrown at him to do that.
If i played for Everton, left and then returned to have people yelling about my families imminet death etc etc... Id kiss the fucking badge in the Park End as well!!!
I say cheer Rooney on then concentrate on our boys. Anything else is just boring maronic bullshit - its 6 years and if we aint got nothing to do then what a sad sorry bunch we are!!!
Everyone is a hero in their own hypothetical minds...
But none of us had to play out the reality - Wayne Rooney did. And he chose to leave. You might think you wouldn’t have done the same; you might be fairly sure about it. But it’s so easy to cast aspersions from the comfort of our Everton-through-and-through Tower; thankfully our own loyalties will never come under such heavy scrutiny.
I argue with my family sometimes - I’m sure we all do. And sometimes I say stupid things. Because I am not a paragon of restraint. And neither is Wayne Rooney.
But none of us had to play out the reality - Wayne Rooney did. And he chose to leave. You might think you wouldn’t have done the same; you might be fairly sure about it. But it’s so easy to cast aspersions from the comfort of our Everton-through-and-through Tower; thankfully our own loyalties will never come under such heavy scrutiny.
I argue with my family sometimes - I’m sure we all do. And sometimes I say stupid things. Because I am not a paragon of restraint. And neither is Wayne Rooney.
And let it be known that I also concur absolutely with the very sage Alan Kirwin.
Yes Chris Leyland but at the same time if you passed the city council on your way to ICI you can bet your arse they wouldnt be hanging out their windows screaming I hope your Mum dies of cancer etc etc
At 18 I didn’t know anything, but one thing is for sure, I wouldn’t have gone from my club to Man Utd.
But he is a product of a generation where profile, riches and fame count for so much more than what really nourishes the heart.
Still, don’t like him, and don’t want him ever in blue again.
But he is a product of a generation where profile, riches and fame count for so much more than what really nourishes the heart.
Still, don’t like him, and don’t want him ever in blue again.
Whilst I’m personally not bothered about Rooney at all, there’s one thing I do take exception to - and that’s classifying him as an Evertonian.
He is, without a doubt, NOT an Evertonian. Regardless of logic, money or common sense, a true Evertonian brought up in Merseyside would have stayed at Everton for at least five years. I’d have played for free if need be; there’s no way I’d have my head turned for mere money before playing my heart out for at least five years at Goodison which, as a Blue, is the holy grail as far as football is concerned.
He’s a modern day professional footballer, not an Evertonian.
He is, without a doubt, NOT an Evertonian. Regardless of logic, money or common sense, a true Evertonian brought up in Merseyside would have stayed at Everton for at least five years. I’d have played for free if need be; there’s no way I’d have my head turned for mere money before playing my heart out for at least five years at Goodison which, as a Blue, is the holy grail as far as football is concerned.
He’s a modern day professional footballer, not an Evertonian.
Yes but Lee, you wouldn't play for Everton for free though would you?!!
Your only saying that cause to play for Everton is like our wildest wet dream, but a dream none the less.
If you lived in that reality where you were a world class footballer, you wouldn't ply your trade at Everton for free. You’d want £50k a week at least!!!!
Your only saying that cause to play for Everton is like our wildest wet dream, but a dream none the less.
If you lived in that reality where you were a world class footballer, you wouldn't ply your trade at Everton for free. You’d want £50k a week at least!!!!
I love the fella. The best player in the World supports our club. I only hope the rest forgive and forget to allow him to return on a free in 2 years time.
Here’s hoping.
I won’t be booing his name.
COYB!
Here’s hoping.
I won’t be booing his name.
COYB!
No, I’d play for free personally. Might sound like a ridiculous statement, and you’re right, to us it’s a wild dream, but personally I’d do it.
What I mean by it is if I was on £10-15,000 a week at the age of 17, and playing for Everton, and was offered a £30,000 per week contract to stay, or a £200,000 to join Manchester United, I’d take the Everton contract every single day of the week.
That’s what I mean by the sentiment. There’s things more important than money in life. I only hope, for his sake, Wayne doesn’t realise that he’s made a massive, massive mistake for his own personal happiness at some point.
What I mean by it is if I was on £10-15,000 a week at the age of 17, and playing for Everton, and was offered a £30,000 per week contract to stay, or a £200,000 to join Manchester United, I’d take the Everton contract every single day of the week.
That’s what I mean by the sentiment. There’s things more important than money in life. I only hope, for his sake, Wayne doesn’t realise that he’s made a massive, massive mistake for his own personal happiness at some point.
Sam Higgins - and your post actually proves my point. No one would be screaming out the window if I left so it isn’t the same is it?
Rooney was offered £50k by Everton (which his agent wanted us to prove we could afford it) and then went to Utd for £55k... and then finished one place above us in the league.
What I was trying to imply or fit into your scenario is that you wouldn't have to entertain the type of abuse from your previous employer's stakeholders that would drive you to kiss the badge of your new employee as Rooney had to in the footballing sense.
Besides, the irony here is that despite 50% of the posts on this thread claiming they either don't care for Rooney or think he’s not worth the effort of a comment — he clearly is as there have been nearly 70 posts on this thread since 10am!!! He tugs at all Evertonian heartstrings one way or the other, whether it be love or hate — two very raw emotions that more often than not collide!!!! (Thank you Bon Jovi).
Besides, the irony here is that despite 50% of the posts on this thread claiming they either don't care for Rooney or think he’s not worth the effort of a comment — he clearly is as there have been nearly 70 posts on this thread since 10am!!! He tugs at all Evertonian heartstrings one way or the other, whether it be love or hate — two very raw emotions that more often than not collide!!!! (Thank you Bon Jovi).
"A true Evertonian brought up in Merseyside would have stayed at Everton for at least five years"
Is that a written law, Lee?
You bang on about money but that’s not why he left. Everton had just finished 17th in the table with our worst ever points total. In previous years we would’ve gone down.
He then stars at EURO 2004 and decides he wants to fulfill his massive potential and win things. Can you name a trophy he hasn’t won since his move? I’m struggling...
Is that a written law, Lee?
You bang on about money but that’s not why he left. Everton had just finished 17th in the table with our worst ever points total. In previous years we would’ve gone down.
He then stars at EURO 2004 and decides he wants to fulfill his massive potential and win things. Can you name a trophy he hasn’t won since his move? I’m struggling...
I’m not denying he’s done extraordinarily well, and I’m not denying he’s a tremendous footballer, Geoff. What I’m saying is that there’s something more tangible than money and trophies in football if you’re a proper fan.
I don’t think Rooney has that mentality - I think he’s a braindead idiot who has been graced with ridiculous amounts of talent in a certain field. So, for him, he’s probably delighted he’s earned so much and won everything at the cost of playing for the club you idolised as a child.
For me, it’d rip something out of me if I did what he did - but I have a different mentality it seems.
No, there’s no written law, as everyone acts differently. In my own view, Rooney isn’t an Evertonian in the true sense I’d personally classify an Evertonian.
As a club and business, Everton did the right thing in selling him. However, if he had stayed, it would have been right keeping him for other reasons. It’s all about interpretation.
As I say, he’s a modern day professional footballer, not an Evertonian in the classic sense. And he’s everything that’s wrong with the modern game. The Shearer’s and Le Tissier’s of this world sadly no longer exist. Shame.
I don’t think Rooney has that mentality - I think he’s a braindead idiot who has been graced with ridiculous amounts of talent in a certain field. So, for him, he’s probably delighted he’s earned so much and won everything at the cost of playing for the club you idolised as a child.
For me, it’d rip something out of me if I did what he did - but I have a different mentality it seems.
No, there’s no written law, as everyone acts differently. In my own view, Rooney isn’t an Evertonian in the true sense I’d personally classify an Evertonian.
As a club and business, Everton did the right thing in selling him. However, if he had stayed, it would have been right keeping him for other reasons. It’s all about interpretation.
As I say, he’s a modern day professional footballer, not an Evertonian in the classic sense. And he’s everything that’s wrong with the modern game. The Shearer’s and Le Tissier’s of this world sadly no longer exist. Shame.
Lee - I applaud your loyalty. So, you sign a 5 year contract with Everton for £12,000 a week and the very next day you’re on the end of a Gerrard shithouse special tackle and your career is ended.
Are Everton still going to feed your kids and pay your mortgage for the next 10 years?
Are they fuck..
As a footballer your loyalty is to yourself and maximising the earnings you can make in the shortest of careers.
Sure, if the difference is a few quid either way show loyalty to the club - but when the difference is millions of pounds a year staying at a club paying buttons in comparison is a mugs game.
Fuck loyalty... loyalty is for Spaniels and supporters
...Though, if Manchester United are prepared to pay off the balance on my tab in the local I’ll go and support them...
I draw the line at Liverpool though... even if they arranged to have Guinness piped into my living room served by a naked Lady Gaga I’d still never support them evil doers
By the way Sam - the band you’re thinking of isn’t Bon Jovi it’s Def Leppard
Are Everton still going to feed your kids and pay your mortgage for the next 10 years?
Are they fuck..
As a footballer your loyalty is to yourself and maximising the earnings you can make in the shortest of careers.
Sure, if the difference is a few quid either way show loyalty to the club - but when the difference is millions of pounds a year staying at a club paying buttons in comparison is a mugs game.
Fuck loyalty... loyalty is for Spaniels and supporters
...Though, if Manchester United are prepared to pay off the balance on my tab in the local I’ll go and support them...
I draw the line at Liverpool though... even if they arranged to have Guinness piped into my living room served by a naked Lady Gaga I’d still never support them evil doers
By the way Sam - the band you’re thinking of isn’t Bon Jovi it’s Def Leppard
He’s an uneducated idiot, like quite a few people similar to him who do not understand life. His family are hardly role models are they?
In my opinion, we should clap him as he could've just said that he loved United and felt nothing for Everton but he never. He’s always said he wamts Everton to finish 2nd in the league. Even Judas Campbell was caught singing and dancing after Spurs' win against Chelsea at Wembley.
Football's a job to them, not a religion like it is for us. It's easy for people like us who will never become pros to say that we would never leave. Just look what Le Tissier did: he was wanted by Barca yet he stayed at Saints and won nothing.
Kevin, what planet are you on?
We offered him £50,000 a week to stay.
We offered him £50,000 a week to stay.
Well, given that the £12,000 p/w five-year contract would presumably be terminated and compensation paid to the amount that contract serves, as well as fulfilling any contractual clauses that cover that eventuality, as well as any insurance you’d have to cover that injury... you’d probably get in excess of £3m to £5m, perhaps more.
Pretty sure that’d pay the mortgage. There’s ways of covering the very small risk of that scenario occurring through a contract and still earn good money. The "career ending tackle" myth only applies to lower league clubs or youth players on small short-term contracts.
And besides, in Rooney’s case he would have been on at least £40’000 per week if he’d signed the contract at Everton (or more, if the rumours were true of a £50k contract). So the point is invalid. He had his head turned far too early into his career for bad reasons.
Anyway, this is veering off track. I’ve said what I’ve said and I know people will agree and disagree — I’ve found this to be an interesting thread as it hasn’t been discussed for some time.
Pretty sure that’d pay the mortgage. There’s ways of covering the very small risk of that scenario occurring through a contract and still earn good money. The "career ending tackle" myth only applies to lower league clubs or youth players on small short-term contracts.
And besides, in Rooney’s case he would have been on at least £40’000 per week if he’d signed the contract at Everton (or more, if the rumours were true of a £50k contract). So the point is invalid. He had his head turned far too early into his career for bad reasons.
Anyway, this is veering off track. I’ve said what I’ve said and I know people will agree and disagree — I’ve found this to be an interesting thread as it hasn’t been discussed for some time.
Will the Dill ...Earth... where are you from planet dick brain ?
...and no they didn’t they offered him £12,000 a year contract in August 2004 - he rejected it like those in power knew he would...
They then offered him ’The biggest contract in the clubs history’ ... after he handed in a transfer request... and they’d have shit themselves if he’d have changed his mind.
...and no they didn’t they offered him £12,000 a year contract in August 2004 - he rejected it like those in power knew he would...
They then offered him ’The biggest contract in the clubs history’ ... after he handed in a transfer request... and they’d have shit themselves if he’d have changed his mind.
Lee - the lad earns £26 Million a year - from football and endorsements.
All it would have taken is one unfixable cartilage tear or one shattered ankle when he was 16 - and it all ends... and that £26 Million turns into £12,000 a year working at Cosco...
Heard of John McMahon?
Better than Rooney at 14 - had 11... 11! Premier League clubs after his signiture - ended up a shop fitter after having his leg broken in two places due to a bad tackle at 16...
All it would have taken is one unfixable cartilage tear or one shattered ankle when he was 16 - and it all ends... and that £26 Million turns into £12,000 a year working at Cosco...
Heard of John McMahon?
Better than Rooney at 14 - had 11... 11! Premier League clubs after his signiture - ended up a shop fitter after having his leg broken in two places due to a bad tackle at 16...
Alan Kirwan I would have changed just one sentence of your first class response as follows...."He was made on Merseyside in the Everton mould" - not that I’m paranoid or anything !
Kevin, you are making it up as you go along to support your view. Everton offered Rooney £50k. Stretford even demanded to see the books to prove the Club could pay it.
But there is not much in improved contracts for agents... they make their big paydays from transfers. Stretford did not want Rooney to accept that contract for that reason and, probably, Rooney himself didn’t want to sign it by then. That is when the crying game started.... pleading with Kenwright to let him go.
Rooney did not go to Manure for the money, I am sure of that. At that stage he could have earned as much at Everton. He wanted to be winning things as with the big boys in the England set-up at the time. Stretford wanted the dosh and the future earnings from a client at a ’bigger’ club. Different motives but the same result.
Rooney left his boyhood club and the club he still purports to support. Once a Blue always a blue at least until you kiss the badge of another club. Nobody suffered as much as Campbell from abuse when he left Spurs for Arsenal but he always showed Spurs respect. Rooney is too shallow a character to be as graceful as that.
Good luck to the lad and all that, it is up to him what he does with his life but for me he is a broken reed because he lacks loyalty, class and dignity. He is a wonderful footballer... but so is John Terry.... and I don’t like him either!!!
Better than Rooney?!!
Was he Everton academy, Kevin?
Shit, that's bad... could've gone to be England's best ever if he was that good at that age....
Was he Everton academy, Kevin?
Shit, that's bad... could've gone to be England's best ever if he was that good at that age....
Dave... that’s more or less what I said - they offered him ’£12,000 a week three year deal in August 2004’ - his agent recommended that he turned it down - on the obvious evidence he was worth more than that..
Which kind of begs the question - why offer such a paltry amount?
They must have known it would be knocked back?
Rooney then put in a transfer request and it was only after that, that a revised contract was offered - which is where the £50,000 a week comes in to the equation...
Which leads me to two questions:
1. Why not offer him the £50,000 per week before he started angling for a transfer?
2. Why was the orginal amount so paltry in comparison?
Answers on a postcard
Which kind of begs the question - why offer such a paltry amount?
They must have known it would be knocked back?
Rooney then put in a transfer request and it was only after that, that a revised contract was offered - which is where the £50,000 a week comes in to the equation...
Which leads me to two questions:
1. Why not offer him the £50,000 per week before he started angling for a transfer?
2. Why was the orginal amount so paltry in comparison?
Answers on a postcard
Sam - he went to Arsenal 1996 (Or there abouts)
Kevin
I thought you had all the answers...don’t let me down
I thought you had all the answers...don’t let me down
Fuck him, he’s not a blue and never will be again.
Spot on Andy.
Too much space given to a Non Evertonian just being taught how to manipulate the crowd by Ferguson.
I wont boo him I’ll just ignore hime and leave the energy to encourage our own not those who might have been.
Too much space given to a Non Evertonian just being taught how to manipulate the crowd by Ferguson.
I wont boo him I’ll just ignore hime and leave the energy to encourage our own not those who might have been.
Right Phil - Michael’s points
1. ’Rooney was unhappy with Moyes’ - evidence comes from several sources; including; Rooney himself and comments made by players and ex players to several ’respected’ sports journalists... all documented, all traceable - If you want me to I can seek out sources?
2. ’His departure was engineered’ - Evidence for this comes from the school of ’stating the bleedin obvious’ EG Cui Bono - who benefited from Rooney staying? Why was he not offered the ’Best contract in the club’s history before the 2003/4 season ended? Who introduced ’Sid the Snake’ to Rooney? What was his motivation?
3. ’Everton effectively forced Rooney to submit the transfer request’ Well - call me cynical but they didn’t work very hard to keep him did they?... why was that?
4. Yet Rooney says he’s still an Evertonian, and that his son is too - there have been many rumours to that backed up by team mate banter etc...
Now to your points - I suggested that the myth of the greedy player too big for his boots deserting his home town club was allowed to promulgate - that is not the same as saying there was a deliberate conspiricy to delude Evertonians.
Look, it’s like this - Rooney wanted cash and glory, Everton wanted cash, Man Utd wanted the best young English player in a generation... and in the backgound to this little drama there are the season ticket sales going on...
It served the purpose for all at Everton to paint Rooney in the worst colours they could to deflect blame away from the heirachy and continue the season ticket sales...
Nobody comes out of this affair smelling of roses - Rooney was a coniving little twat angling for a move
Stretford pulled the strings in the background and no doubt fanned the flames of Rooney’s discontent...
Moyes was by all accounts finding it difficult to manage the uppity little shit...
Kenwright made all the right noises - but are you honestly saying he did everything in his power to make little Wayne a happy lad and keep him? - the evidence of his protracted contract negotiations suggest otherwise...
And so is born the myth of the turncoat - and all us peasents boo like we’re supposed to...
Sorry mate - I don’t buy it.
1. ’Rooney was unhappy with Moyes’ - evidence comes from several sources; including; Rooney himself and comments made by players and ex players to several ’respected’ sports journalists... all documented, all traceable - If you want me to I can seek out sources?
2. ’His departure was engineered’ - Evidence for this comes from the school of ’stating the bleedin obvious’ EG Cui Bono - who benefited from Rooney staying? Why was he not offered the ’Best contract in the club’s history before the 2003/4 season ended? Who introduced ’Sid the Snake’ to Rooney? What was his motivation?
3. ’Everton effectively forced Rooney to submit the transfer request’ Well - call me cynical but they didn’t work very hard to keep him did they?... why was that?
4. Yet Rooney says he’s still an Evertonian, and that his son is too - there have been many rumours to that backed up by team mate banter etc...
Now to your points - I suggested that the myth of the greedy player too big for his boots deserting his home town club was allowed to promulgate - that is not the same as saying there was a deliberate conspiricy to delude Evertonians.
Look, it’s like this - Rooney wanted cash and glory, Everton wanted cash, Man Utd wanted the best young English player in a generation... and in the backgound to this little drama there are the season ticket sales going on...
It served the purpose for all at Everton to paint Rooney in the worst colours they could to deflect blame away from the heirachy and continue the season ticket sales...
Nobody comes out of this affair smelling of roses - Rooney was a coniving little twat angling for a move
Stretford pulled the strings in the background and no doubt fanned the flames of Rooney’s discontent...
Moyes was by all accounts finding it difficult to manage the uppity little shit...
Kenwright made all the right noises - but are you honestly saying he did everything in his power to make little Wayne a happy lad and keep him? - the evidence of his protracted contract negotiations suggest otherwise...
And so is born the myth of the turncoat - and all us peasents boo like we’re supposed to...
Sorry mate - I don’t buy it.
He’s a fat judas knobend who isn’t worth thinking about. Lets get behind the team and forget that horrid little twat.
Thanks Kevin, lots of sense in that but no-one, I suspect, will ever get past the various shades of the truth
He definitely fits the poular definition of turncoat, though
I was always waiting for Bally to make good his remark of "one day, Evertonians will be told the truth" - I suppose then, as now, the truth varies with the perspective of the teller
My over-riding memory, beside knowing we were being taken for a ride on the fee by Utd and the stupidity/complicity (?) of Kenwright is of trying to explain to 2 tearful youngsters why ’our Wayne’ had left them
I’ll never forgive him for that bedtime
He definitely fits the poular definition of turncoat, though
I was always waiting for Bally to make good his remark of "one day, Evertonians will be told the truth" - I suppose then, as now, the truth varies with the perspective of the teller
My over-riding memory, beside knowing we were being taken for a ride on the fee by Utd and the stupidity/complicity (?) of Kenwright is of trying to explain to 2 tearful youngsters why ’our Wayne’ had left them
I’ll never forgive him for that bedtime
I felt exactly same Phil... Gary Speed said much the same as Bally when he left. There was a piece on here bearing him out not so long ago which reflected badly on the club’s version of Speed’s departure...
Wheels within wheels, I guess - all we can do as supporters is keep watching...
Wheels within wheels, I guess - all we can do as supporters is keep watching...
I would have loved for Rooney to stay, but to be honest I would rather he left than to have to put up with all the crazy transfer speculation that would been around him 24/7, especially at window time . He would have eventually left, and it would have hurt just as much, so he goes then he goes now, no big difference except we would have been putting up with that media circus crap until the day he left . We got good money, we rebuilt the squad with good players over time, I honestly do not believe we would be much higher or much lower if he stayed . Just about the same, because we probably would not have been able to bring in the players we have ove the last few years, due to spending what little cash we have on keeping him very, very well paid and happy . And then, as I alluded to earlier, the press and his agents would keep on notching up the pressure gauge until they got the big money transfer that sells papers and makes a lot of people a lot of money . Just like in the Ronaldo, Man U and Real saga there will always be bigger fish when it comes to business .
If you want loyalty, buy a dog.
Couldn’t care less about Rooney, and if the soft arse wants to kiss the Man Utd badge at the club which created him, he deserves all he gets in life as — remember as someone else said, if he wasn’t a footballer he’d've been on the bins.
Also, yes probable wheels within wheels, but for me the overriding evidence is — Rooney settled out of court for libelling Moyes.
Moyes obviously had overriding evidence that proved he never forced Rooney out. Not only that, Moyes then gave the money to the former players charity.
Never mind "Once a Blue, Always a Blue"... - once a liar always a liar, and Rooney lied about Moyes.
Frankly, Rooney is (as far as I’m concerned) nothing to Everton. He could win 100 Premier League titles but he’d never be in the catagory of Dean, Ball or Labone.
He can say as he wished, could have all the image rights he wants. When he’s in his 50s/60s/70s or 80s, I certainly wouldn’t sit by him at Goodison Park.
The media may love Rooney due to his "being the antithesis of David Beckham, a product of the terraces, not manufactured".
But Evertonians know thats is BOLLOCKS. He ran for the money as quickly as he could then kissed the city's rivals' badge whilst their fans sing "We hate Scousers".
It’s like a Hollywood B-Movie script. It's that ridiculous and how reality has been distorted by the Rooney family/Rooney machine... it's untrue.
I’d 100% sit happily next to Mikel Arteta, Cahill, Jagielka and so forth in 50 years in my old age at Goodison or other home in the city.
I would, because these lads have taken serious injuries for EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB and its fans, and haven’t crucified the club for money and shown genuine loyalty.
And we all know it.
Also, yes probable wheels within wheels, but for me the overriding evidence is — Rooney settled out of court for libelling Moyes.
Moyes obviously had overriding evidence that proved he never forced Rooney out. Not only that, Moyes then gave the money to the former players charity.
Never mind "Once a Blue, Always a Blue"... - once a liar always a liar, and Rooney lied about Moyes.
Frankly, Rooney is (as far as I’m concerned) nothing to Everton. He could win 100 Premier League titles but he’d never be in the catagory of Dean, Ball or Labone.
He can say as he wished, could have all the image rights he wants. When he’s in his 50s/60s/70s or 80s, I certainly wouldn’t sit by him at Goodison Park.
The media may love Rooney due to his "being the antithesis of David Beckham, a product of the terraces, not manufactured".
But Evertonians know thats is BOLLOCKS. He ran for the money as quickly as he could then kissed the city's rivals' badge whilst their fans sing "We hate Scousers".
It’s like a Hollywood B-Movie script. It's that ridiculous and how reality has been distorted by the Rooney family/Rooney machine... it's untrue.
I’d 100% sit happily next to Mikel Arteta, Cahill, Jagielka and so forth in 50 years in my old age at Goodison or other home in the city.
I would, because these lads have taken serious injuries for EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB and its fans, and haven’t crucified the club for money and shown genuine loyalty.
And we all know it.
And I’ll just repeat the Paul Strettford marketing phrase for Rooney for emphasis:
"being the antithesis of David Beckham, a product of the terraces, not manufactured".
I’d counter he’s nothing but manufactured he’s (as he testified) "a very wealthy young man" because he thought himself bigger than Everton Football Club.
Clearly Wayne Rooney, doesn’t know his history as Evertonians like to sing every game!
Again: "being the antithesis of David Beckham, a product of the terraces, not manufactured".
He’s got some fucking cheek.
"being the antithesis of David Beckham, a product of the terraces, not manufactured".
I’d counter he’s nothing but manufactured he’s (as he testified) "a very wealthy young man" because he thought himself bigger than Everton Football Club.
Clearly Wayne Rooney, doesn’t know his history as Evertonians like to sing every game!
Again: "being the antithesis of David Beckham, a product of the terraces, not manufactured".
He’s got some fucking cheek.
Mark "couldn’t care less about Rooney" Reid.
Your posts suggest the opposite mate.
Your posts suggest the opposite mate.
Geoff. My posts merely add to a ongoing discussion. Highlighting the inconsistencies of the some bod called Rooney.
Won’t keep me awake tonight or stop me logging off having made my observations.
Because as I say. I don’t care.
Won’t keep me awake tonight or stop me logging off having made my observations.
Because as I say. I don’t care.
Rooney has gone and club has moved on significantly as a result since.
Get behind the team and don’t wind him up, he will only get the bit between his teeth.
I also see him returning to Everton in the next few years, possibly as one of the best strikers in the world!
I for one wouldn’t complain at him bangin in 20 goals a season in a blue shirt.
Get behind the team and don’t wind him up, he will only get the bit between his teeth.
I also see him returning to Everton in the next few years, possibly as one of the best strikers in the world!
I for one wouldn’t complain at him bangin in 20 goals a season in a blue shirt.
What annoys me the most and a fact we need more investment is that, if Rooney was still here, with the squad we have now we would be top of the league.
A fact that has not escaped Moyes who has made the securing of our current youth academy top of his priorities when he arrived. And drip by drip, these players are coming through (plus the few we have stolen). Give Moyes the tools and the time and I'm confident he will finish the job.
Team of United:
Howard
Coleman, Heitinga; Distin; Baines
Bily; Neville; Arteta; Pienaar; Cahill; Saha
A fact that has not escaped Moyes who has made the securing of our current youth academy top of his priorities when he arrived. And drip by drip, these players are coming through (plus the few we have stolen). Give Moyes the tools and the time and I'm confident he will finish the job.
Team of United:
Howard
Coleman, Heitinga; Distin; Baines
Bily; Neville; Arteta; Pienaar; Cahill; Saha
Gary; there’s more chance of man landing on Mars next week than Rooney returning to Everton in any capacity before the age of 38.
Gary...
"I love this club, the stadium, the fans... I want to end my career here...it’s my ambition to captain this club...I could never imagine wanting to leave United"
Guess who?
Phil Neville
Wayne Rooney
Robbie Keane
"I love this club, the stadium, the fans... I want to end my career here...it’s my ambition to captain this club...I could never imagine wanting to leave United"
Guess who?
Phil Neville
Wayne Rooney
Robbie Keane
Oops,
"I would sign now for life if they asked me"
(memory lapse)
"I would sign now for life if they asked me"
(memory lapse)
Respect goes both ways, why should he not cheer emphatically after receiving constant abuse?
I for one would love to see the Everton faithful all applaud Rooney, see how he would react to that.
That’s not going to happen though, maybe we should just give him no reaction - at all and play the game and beat them, divert the focus onto the pitch! see ya saturday, COYBB!
I for one would love to see the Everton faithful all applaud Rooney, see how he would react to that.
That’s not going to happen though, maybe we should just give him no reaction - at all and play the game and beat them, divert the focus onto the pitch! see ya saturday, COYBB!
Lee Kidd, I would suggest that you have your statement a tad wrong, Wayne will be back at Everton sooner than you think, that is why he has done the video on OS, smoothing the path I hear.
All this shit about modern football is dead and I can’t be bothered anymore. One Wayne Rooney returns and gets the old blood boiling. I love football. COYB FTRS
A player who left us 6 years ago.
105 posts.
Cor blimey guv!
105 posts.
Cor blimey guv!
Rooney did the right thing for himself and Everton at the time; we made a chunk of money on him and he’s gone on to win things with Utd and we have a much better team now than we did back then so whats the problem?
I would never boo him for Utd or England - the kids a great player and should be lauded as such. Whether he scores or not against us is immaterial, though naturally I’d prefer if he didnt, but then I hope none of them score and we win the game.
Simple as that really.
I have a sneaky that its going to be a draw anyway.
I would never boo him for Utd or England - the kids a great player and should be lauded as such. Whether he scores or not against us is immaterial, though naturally I’d prefer if he didnt, but then I hope none of them score and we win the game.
Simple as that really.
I have a sneaky that its going to be a draw anyway.
This is about him... you know — the one and only!
Reading between the lines, I think he wants to come BACK! He left when he was 18 years old... he's now 24, he has won everything with the Mancs.
His new son has an everton kit; he has apologised to Davey, he has spoken on the Official Everton Website. I believe Wayne is trying to engineer a move back to Everton, be it soon or later...
Ok so on one count I really don’t blame Rooney for moving to United, If he had stayed what would he have to show for his 6-7 years at the top level? A few Player of the Month awards, a few England Caps?
At United he has triple Premier League winners’ medals, a European Cup winners’ medal and all sorts of other awards he wouldn’t of won at Everton.
He was extrememly young and naive at the time and had his head turned by the powers behind the game.
However, what you as an Evertonian cannot condone is the willingness to rejoice in our misery - i.e. celebrating goals against us, kissing United’s badge, showboating against us at Goodison when were losing, etc etc.
The latter points is why Rooney can kiss my arse, he won’t ever be welcome back at Everton by me, he was a fan as a schoolboy - now he’s just a money mercenary, with as much right to call himself an Everton fan as a Liverpool season ticket holder.
At United he has triple Premier League winners’ medals, a European Cup winners’ medal and all sorts of other awards he wouldn’t of won at Everton.
He was extrememly young and naive at the time and had his head turned by the powers behind the game.
However, what you as an Evertonian cannot condone is the willingness to rejoice in our misery - i.e. celebrating goals against us, kissing United’s badge, showboating against us at Goodison when were losing, etc etc.
The latter points is why Rooney can kiss my arse, he won’t ever be welcome back at Everton by me, he was a fan as a schoolboy - now he’s just a money mercenary, with as much right to call himself an Everton fan as a Liverpool season ticket holder.
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Your attitude is quite prevalent, so you are not alone in your confirmed hatred for the best product ever out of the hugely famed Everton Youth Academy, and arguably England's current best player. I know nothing I say will change your mind... but I'm going to say it anyway:
1) Rooney had become extremely unhappy under David Moyes, and had fallen out with the manager.
2) His departure from Everton was largely engineered by a combination of his agent, England players, senior Everton players (Stubbs), and the Everton Board/Chairman who foresaw a big monetary windfall. Rooney was essentially a pawn in a somewhat inevitable process of "cashing in".
3) Everton effectively forced Rooney to submit the transfer request, exactly so fans like you would blame the player rather than the club for his departure.
4) Yet Rooney says he's still an Evertonain, and that his son is too: — Once a Blue, Always a Blue... remember. (A longstanding ToffeeWeb policy includes not doubting anyone who makes such a claim; we don't think you should either.)
It still shocks and saddens me how many Evertonians have fallen in lock-step with exactly what the club wanted them to think after this sad episode that served only to underline the long-term decline of our once-great club.
Rooney is not the one I would blame or get mad with. Sorry.