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Hmmm... I wonder?
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It started when I read that Wayne Rooney had done a series of interviews for Everton TV, it continued when I read in several different papers how the Goodison crowd should move on and no longer give Rooney the stick they had done previously... it made me think.
Even more so to read that Rooney had actually phoned David Moyes to apologise for the things he'd said in his book... AND Moyes going on to mention the notion of Rooney coming back...
So my very first thought (and it didn't last long) was "Hmmm... could this be in some way paving the way for a Rooney return"? Noooo, maybe in four or five years when he's won everything he ever could, and amassed a fortune he'd never have time to spend, but soon? No...
So why would Rooney in particular, and David Moyes as well, want to smooth things over if they're not likely to be working together anytime soon at Everton.... and that's when the next thought occurred to me (and this one won't seem to go away). Will Moyes and Rooney be working together in the not too distant future... at United?
Brian Williams, Posted 22/02/2010 at 10:46:59
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He had a terrible decision to make six years ago... to stay with the club he supported but which seemed to be going nowhere or to go to a club where he could win things and fulfill his potential. We all know what happened.
I wouldn’t mind betting that after that game on Saturday there might just have been the slightest tinge of regret at what might have been if he had stayed! Imagine this side now with Rooney in it! I wonder if he tried to imagine it too.
I always felt Moyes’s biggest handicap to getting that job was his negative and limited "brand" of football. Perhaps he’s realised that and that’s why he’s changing it eh.
I’ll get in touch with my contacts: "Deep throat" (she’s a lovely girl!) & the "Lone Gunman" to confirm this conspiracy theory.
Now back to researching that UFO over Michael Howard’s house!
He has shown some maturity in apologising thats all.
Probably so he can bring his son up as an Everton fan without him listening to his Dad receiving abuse.
Moyes is probably a contender to take over from Fergie if he wanted, but until he gets some trophies under his belt he is going to be behind O’Neil and Mourinho at least.
In any case, does Moyes actually want the job? The person who takes over is destined to fail, and only last one and a bit seasons max. If Moyes was interested he would be better off bidding his time until one, maybe two people have failed to live up to Fergie.
I wouldn’t necessarily be surprised if United appointed Moyes, but I am still expecting them to go down the fashionable route of appointing a European coach, as Arsenal, Chelsea and the Shite have done.
Saturday went a long way to postponing that event for another season at least!
He took a bit from the front of the Gladdy when Pip saw the ball over the line and he got a bit when he seemed to take a dive (it was actually a trip by Ossie. I thought it was a dive until I saw the highlights on MOTD). But he took it well it seemed to me.
We are better than that and now we have to move on.
I think they could win the league without Rooney.
Most footballers are measured in their careers by the things they win and I'm sure that Rooney wanted to win lots of caps and trophies. I'm afraid he would not have won a fraction of the medals and caps if he had stayed in the squad he left.
Now he has blossomed into an almost complete player and I for one would love him to come back one day... sooner rather than later...
Darren took Peterborough United from 2nd division to Championship in two seasons before falling out with the PU chairman and mutually parting ways. PNE are now lower mid table in the championship however posh are now bottom and Ferguson has managed to stablize PNE from relegation fodder, all this on the price of a bus ticket.
My thoughts are that SAF is holding on to the Man United seat until he wins a ninetenth title and possibly another Champions League as well as keeping the seat warm while his son matures.
The only black mark against young Darren is a conviction for domestic violence. Given Man United's past history (Tommy Docherty) it maybe an injustice too far.
That said, I’m pretty sure Rooney will wear the blue again at some point in his career before he hangs the boots up.
As a Yank, I always see Rooney through my "this guy is the second coming of Pete Rose" filter. Two more alike great athletes I have never seen, and Pete eventually came back to Cincinatti to play and manage before the whole gambling thing blew up in his face.
If he’d been in today’s sports world, Pete likely have left them for the big $ ten years before he did - but he also knew that he’d never be on another team as good as the one he was on in the ’70’s with the Reds. Two peas in a pod, those two, just forty years apart in age, in different sports, on different continents. Hope Rooney takes a lesson from it and stays clear of the bookies.
DM would be unlikely to achieve the former at Everton unless BK sold out to a mega billionaire similar to Chelsea or Manchester City. In that event he would surely stay on with Everton.
Who, of sound mind, would want to replace such an iconoclastic legend, who’s been at the helm a quarter of a century, and who would be impossible to eclipse?
Obviously, someone, at some point, will assume the position, and I’m inclined to agree with Dickie Price: a foreigner (Riijkaard, Sven, Jose, Bilic, Koeman et al) with a tokenistic old boy, as coach (G Neville, Keane, Robson, Ole Gunnar etc) will be the direction they go in.
On a completely different tangent — Jags is back! How good is that?
I watched his face on Saturday, staring at Rodwell and the fans’ mutual love-in while the Old Lady roared and rocked. He looked like I did everytime I subsequently saw the lovely girl I stupidly ditched and lost at 18...
The same topic came up on the BBC site after the match, needless to say, the assumption wasn’t that Rooney would return to Everton.
I think he should though come back though. As you said, win a few trophies at Man United, then what’s the point just racking them up? If he wants to REALLY achieve something, he should come back here and win stuff. After all, United won things before he went there and they’ll win things after he leaves. To be a true footballing legend he should try to take a team, his boyhood team, up a level, THAT would be proving yourself.
I would be shocked if he left now.
Did Rooney have a poor game because he was less wound up due to getting less abuse from our supporters? Now there’s a theory....
Think after 6 years, us matchgoers have finally cottoned on: Wind him up at our peril!!!
Also, don’t forget Rooney will be a very free man in a few years’ time - extremely rich and free to play his football where he chooses. He won’t have to be traded like a slave. So don’t dismiss the pulls of emotion. He started it all very young and will still be a force in five years’ time.
He might well come back.
’I watched his face on Sat, staring at Rodwell and the fans’ mutual love-in while the Old Lady roared and rocked. He looked like I did everytime I subsequently saw the lovely girl I stupidly ditched and lost at 18’
Unbelievable — exactly what I thought... ’This Nearly Was Mine.’
In reality, Manure without him aren’t a great team, they won't let him go to Chelski so Barca or Madrid is his likely destination within the next 2 yrs, coming back to us???
I would hope we don't want him in 7-8 years time, as he’ll be a big fat bastard by then. The Moyes question, Ian got it right: European pedigree is what they want and not the shit Europa Cup but the big one.
I’ve posted this before but like thousands of footballers before him, Rooney looked at what was on offer at Everton and didn’t like what he saw, he wanted to win trophies and play at the highest level and who can blame him? It's hardly his fault that the stewardship of our great club has been so poor that we have fallen so far behind the so-called big 4 (and remember, we were once a member of the so-called big 5).
But having said that, if there was any chance of getting him back, I’d drive up to Manchester personally and fetch him: put Rooney in this current side and it's a Premier League winning side!
I think in retrospect, probably Moyes could’ve handled it in a different way... even though the results being the same. Hence less resulting vitriol aimed at Rooney. Rooney was only 18 at the time. I would give an 18-year-old the benefit of a doubt.
When Rooney came to the scene with the Dixie 100-year patch on our kit, it was like the Second Coming. He was destined to be the chosen one. Only George Lucas could make this up. Seduced by Darth Manu, only to be saved by the birth of his son. It’s A New Hope all over again. COYB MTFBWY
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704454304575081233778123888.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel
Now, if he turns down the double money supposedly required to keep him at OT (£200k / week!) and decides to become a free agent, then we can talk about him coming back to Everton... Perhaps.
If he’s prepared to pass up that kind of money to come and earn, say £100k / week at Everton, then I think we should be prepared to forgive and forget and focus on mutual interests.
I can’t see Paul Stretford letting this happen however... and we could never buy Rooney, or match his wages, once he signs that new contract at OT.
Neil,
Firstly, I am an avid Everton fan. Now that is out of the way, recently just before Everton's recent victory over Man Utd at Goodison, all the media from newspapers to TV were creaming at the recent performances of a certain Wayne Rooney. Perhaps rightly so. Many were rating Rooney as even the best player in the world. Doubtful.
I tend to watch every Barcelona game on Sky Sports in the Spanish League and in the Champions League, and although Rooney's recent performances have been of the highest standard, he still has some way to go to match the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta's almost faultless and wonderfully skilled performances over a much longer period of time.
Everton's result and performance against Man Utd was nothing short of magnificent. United complained about injuries, Everton had Cahill, Fellaini and Jagielka out. United complained about playing in midweek, Everton played the same night and Milan is not exactly a million miles away. United had no grounds for complaints. Everton simply out-fought, out-played and generally were the better team all over the park. This was even more amazing considering United had the new 'best player in the world' in their ranks, who was on top of his game.
The Everton defence contained Rooney to a bit-part player, without their best defender, Jagielka, the best tackler at the club, Hibbert, and without a defensive midfielder. Heitinga was outstanding which is turning into the norm since being moved into the centre-back roll and Distin composed and assured, not bad for a stop gap replacement. Neville's leadership skills organised a well deserved team victory.
Fast forward to last night's game at Old Trafford and the admiration for England's star man continues. I'm not saying I disagree with all the plaudits but in your column today you state:
"Rooney is now among the greatest to have played here (Old Trafford in 100 years) in that time."
and
"He is unstoppable, without parallel in the game at the moment."
The media in this country have a tendency to build up players far too quick and then watch them fall even quicker. Rooney is arguably England's best player at present. Possibly in the top 10 players in the world, top 5 doubtful and definitely not the best in the world, even on current form. If current form, is all that matters, surely Leon Osman would be better than Rooney for the way he controlled the game at Goodison?
There is more to football than just the big players or the big clubs, let the 'little' (as Benitez once described Everton) clubs get the credit they deserve. Rooney's performance against Everton may have just been a blip, a one-off bad performance. However, it might have been something more. It might have been Everton did manage to stop the unstoppable, Heitinga a better defender than Rooney is a forward, Moyes a better tactician to stop Rooney playing.
All I'm trying to say, is give credit where it's due. If Rooney is this greatest ever player that Man Utd have had and the best player in the world who is unstoppable, then give Everton more credit than one day's worth as it is them who tamed England's lion.
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