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Hmmm... I wonder?

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It started when I read that Wayne Rooney had done a series of interviews for Everton TV, it continued when I read in several different papers how the Goodison crowd should move on and no longer give Rooney the stick they had done previously... it made me think.

Even more so to read that Rooney had actually phoned David Moyes to apologise for the things he'd said in his book... AND Moyes going on to mention the notion of Rooney coming back...

So my very first thought (and it didn't last long) was "Hmmm... could this be in some way paving the way for a Rooney return"? Noooo, maybe in four or five years when he's won everything he ever could, and amassed a fortune he'd never have time to spend, but soon? No...

So why would Rooney in particular, and David Moyes as well, want to smooth things over if they're not likely to be working together anytime soon at Everton.... and that's when the next thought occurred to me (and this one won't seem to go away). Will Moyes and Rooney be working together in the not too distant future... at United?
Brian Williams, Wirral     Posted 22/02/2010 at 10:46:59

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Paul Norman
1   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:24:27

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My thoughts too! I am of the belief (and this is my opinion only) that Davey is preparing Phil Neville to take over the reins, will bugger off to MU, and then send Rooney back in 3 or 4 years time. None of which concern me too much.
Anthony O'Sullivan
2   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:25:36

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Thats one of the things I thought of as well to be honest. Don't think we could ever get him back unless its on a Bosman when he is 34.
Howard Don
3   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:25:12

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Same thought crossed my mind, Brian. Let's hope it’s just paranoia on our part!
Dave Roberts
4   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:21:16

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Well, possibly. But I think it is more likely that Rooney wants to be on amicable terms with the Club. He will have a life after Manchester United. Whatever some may think of him I am sure he is as much an Evertonian now as he ever was. The badge-kissing was just a juvenile response to the hatred he felt from the terraces at Goodison.

He had a terrible decision to make six years ago... to stay with the club he supported but which seemed to be going nowhere or to go to a club where he could win things and fulfill his potential. We all know what happened.

I wouldn’t mind betting that after that game on Saturday there might just have been the slightest tinge of regret at what might have been if he had stayed! Imagine this side now with Rooney in it! I wonder if he tried to imagine it too.
Gareth Humphreys
5   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:31:22

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Time is a great healer.
Marc Williams
6   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:27:41

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Brian — I thought one of the reasons Moyes was so "in" with Neville was so it would help him get the Manure job. If Pip is part of the management team, it ticks that club connection box.

I always felt Moyes’s biggest handicap to getting that job was his negative and limited "brand" of football. Perhaps he’s realised that and that’s why he’s changing it eh.

I’ll get in touch with my contacts: "Deep throat" (she’s a lovely girl!) & the "Lone Gunman" to confirm this conspiracy theory.

Now back to researching that UFO over Michael Howard’s house!

Craig Taylor
7   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:33:37

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I think Rooney Loves Everton still and is a Fan of the club.

He has shown some maturity in apologising thats all.

Probably so he can bring his son up as an Everton fan without him listening to his Dad receiving abuse.

Moyes is probably a contender to take over from Fergie if he wanted, but until he gets some trophies under his belt he is going to be behind O’Neil and Mourinho at least.

In any case, does Moyes actually want the job? The person who takes over is destined to fail, and only last one and a bit seasons max. If Moyes was interested he would be better off bidding his time until one, maybe two people have failed to live up to Fergie.
Dickie Price
8   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:38:39

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I’m not sure Moyes will end up at United. I suspect much of it will depend upon how much of a say Ferguson has on who his successor will be, and on the role he will play, if any, once he retires as manager.

I wouldn’t necessarily be surprised if United appointed Moyes, but I am still expecting them to go down the fashionable route of appointing a European coach, as Arsenal, Chelsea and the Shite have done.
Ciarán McGlone
9   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:44:03

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Maybe Rooney’s grown up a bit...and Davey’s a big enough man to reciprocate..
Philip Bunting
10   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:43:09

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Wouldn't it be great if Rooney could let his contract run down and come back to Everton. With our present team and up & coming yougsters we could seriously challenge again for the league title. Imagine adding a Rooney up front again... Just think.
Mark Murphy
11   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:46:11

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SAF wont retire until they have won their 19th title.

Saturday went a long way to postponing that event for another season at least!

Dave Roberts
12   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:46:23

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I wouldn’t be averse to betting my savings on this Everton side (plus Rooney) winning the league! All £50 of it! If I had more I would bet that too!!
Dave Roberts
13   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:50:02

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ps: I was actually quite happy on Saturday that most of the abuse of Rooney seemed to have ceased....you know.... the booing every time he touched the ball and all that nonsense.

He took a bit from the front of the Gladdy when Pip saw the ball over the line and he got a bit when he seemed to take a dive (it was actually a trip by Ossie. I thought it was a dive until I saw the highlights on MOTD). But he took it well it seemed to me.

We are better than that and now we have to move on.
Michael Greaves
14   Posted 22/02/2010 at 14:57:54

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.....or the notion that Rodwell could be going in the other direction.
James Elworthy
15   Posted 22/02/2010 at 15:04:06

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I think it is what you call growing up and maturity, which seems to have come about since he became a father.
Kiern Moran
16   Posted 22/02/2010 at 15:17:48

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Oddly enough I thought the reverse, my glass being half-full and all that. United are now bust like the rest of us; Fergy won’t last forever and United are an aging side and not the force of old and Rooney's contract is running down.
Rich Williams
17   Posted 22/02/2010 at 15:31:49

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Wow Brian, I thought I was cynical and paranoid; I concur!
Rob Hollis
18   Posted 22/02/2010 at 15:26:03

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If only City can afford to spend large amounts of money in the summer (and being City, that will translate into nothing) and we get our current squad fit, plus sign Donovan.......

I think they could win the league without Rooney.
Tony McNulty
19   Posted 22/02/2010 at 16:19:49

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At this point I don’t think you are right, Brian. The Manure Board will want a high profile in international name (probably foreign) with a track record of trophies behind him, and someone whose sides have gained a reputation for always playing attractive football. Like it or not, that is not David Moyes as yet.
Trevor Lynes
20   Posted 22/02/2010 at 16:51:41

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God... your mind is more devious than my ex wife’s. I reckon the lad is now a man and his maturity is evident to more than just I. Moyes even admitted that Wayne was really too big a talent for the EFC team of then, but now I am sure he would love to be playing in the present team as it does have some chance of future laurels.

Most footballers are measured in their careers by the things they win and I'm sure that Rooney wanted to win lots of caps and trophies. I'm afraid he would not have won a fraction of the medals and caps if he had stayed in the squad he left.

Now he has blossomed into an almost complete player and I for one would love him to come back one day... sooner rather than later...

Hugh Jorgan
21   Posted 22/02/2010 at 16:49:40

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As we know, this has been talked about ad nauseam. However, has anyone given thought to Darren Ferguson as a replacement for SAF, currently manager of Preston NE?

Darren took Peterborough United from 2nd division to Championship in two seasons before falling out with the PU chairman and mutually parting ways. PNE are now lower mid table in the championship however posh are now bottom and Ferguson has managed to stablize PNE from relegation fodder, all this on the price of a bus ticket.

My thoughts are that SAF is holding on to the Man United seat until he wins a ninetenth title and possibly another Champions League as well as keeping the seat warm while his son matures.

The only black mark against young Darren is a conviction for domestic violence. Given Man United's past history (Tommy Docherty) it maybe an injustice too far.

Rezzie Flanders
22   Posted 22/02/2010 at 17:06:56

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I can’t comment of the conspiracy theory. I suppose all that would be possible, but then, who would know.

That said, I’m pretty sure Rooney will wear the blue again at some point in his career before he hangs the boots up.

As a Yank, I always see Rooney through my "this guy is the second coming of Pete Rose" filter. Two more alike great athletes I have never seen, and Pete eventually came back to Cincinatti to play and manage before the whole gambling thing blew up in his face.

If he’d been in today’s sports world, Pete likely have left them for the big $ ten years before he did - but he also knew that he’d never be on another team as good as the one he was on in the ’70’s with the Reds. Two peas in a pod, those two, just forty years apart in age, in different sports, on different continents. Hope Rooney takes a lesson from it and stays clear of the bookies.
Ian Pilkington
23   Posted 22/02/2010 at 17:40:46

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David Moyes would never be offered the job of Manchester United manager. The Glazers or any other future owners would choose a manager with a major trophy-winning and / or international track record.

DM would be unlikely to achieve the former at Everton unless BK sold out to a mega billionaire similar to Chelsea or Manchester City. In that event he would surely stay on with Everton.

Kevin Hudson
24   Posted 22/02/2010 at 17:55:16

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Brian, I hope that your instincts are wrong, as I don’t think I could handle Moyesie leaving us for that shower!! I honestly think it would take a brave man to supplant Sir Alex... massive shoes to fill etc.

Who, of sound mind, would want to replace such an iconoclastic legend, who’s been at the helm a quarter of a century, and who would be impossible to eclipse?

Obviously, someone, at some point, will assume the position, and I’m inclined to agree with Dickie Price: a foreigner (Riijkaard, Sven, Jose, Bilic, Koeman et al) with a tokenistic old boy, as coach (G Neville, Keane, Robson, Ole Gunnar etc) will be the direction they go in.

On a completely different tangent — Jags is back! How good is that?

Phil Bellis
25   Posted 22/02/2010 at 18:12:39

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Good of Rooney to apologise for libelling Moyesie — or I suppose, in the current climate of reconciliation, I mean being young and stupid enough to allow his agents/advisors to force him to put his name to the lies. I should be grateful if he would now apologise to the fans, in particular the youngsters who worshipped him.

I watched his face on Saturday, staring at Rodwell and the fans’ mutual love-in while the Old Lady roared and rocked. He looked like I did everytime I subsequently saw the lovely girl I stupidly ditched and lost at 18...

Mike Allison
26   Posted 22/02/2010 at 18:38:11

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I love that you started off with the ’Is Rooney coming back here?’ rather than ’Is Moyes going there?’

The same topic came up on the BBC site after the match, needless to say, the assumption wasn’t that Rooney would return to Everton.

I think he should though come back though. As you said, win a few trophies at Man United, then what’s the point just racking them up? If he wants to REALLY achieve something, he should come back here and win stuff. After all, United won things before he went there and they’ll win things after he leaves. To be a true footballing legend he should try to take a team, his boyhood team, up a level, THAT would be proving yourself.
Simon Kirwan
27   Posted 22/02/2010 at 18:41:09

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Moyes wont go. He has taken a piss poor club and turned us around over years of hard work. Now we are on the brink of reaping the rewards.

I would be shocked if he left now.
Brendan O'Doherty
28   Posted 22/02/2010 at 19:47:39

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Well if they do Brian it won’t have been anything to do with the recent PR exercise by them, which seems to have been carried out to detoxify the atmosphere before Saturday’s game, and it looks like it worked.

Did Rooney have a poor game because he was less wound up due to getting less abuse from our supporters? Now there’s a theory....
Kevin Hudson
29   Posted 22/02/2010 at 21:15:44

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Hey Brendan, I talked about this very same idea on Saturday night,and, mentioned it here Sunday...

Think after 6 years, us matchgoers have finally cottoned on: Wind him up at our peril!!!
Peter Hall
30   Posted 22/02/2010 at 23:05:39

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Watching Rooney this weekend, you could tell he wanted a blue shirt. Previous visits, all the nastiness fuelled him up, but now it’s calming down, I think he feels where his home is — or part of it ’cos United is too.

Also, don’t forget Rooney will be a very free man in a few years’ time - extremely rich and free to play his football where he chooses. He won’t have to be traded like a slave. So don’t dismiss the pulls of emotion. He started it all very young and will still be a force in five years’ time.

He might well come back.
Peter Hall
31   Posted 22/02/2010 at 23:14:47

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Phil

’I watched his face on Sat, staring at Rodwell and the fans’ mutual love-in while the Old Lady roared and rocked. He looked like I did everytime I subsequently saw the lovely girl I stupidly ditched and lost at 18’

Unbelievable — exactly what I thought... ’This Nearly Was Mine.’
Iain Love
32   Posted 22/02/2010 at 23:45:25

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Rooney's from Liverpool, his family's here, his old mates, his misses' family. He plays for Manure and is ex-Everton so the R/S fucking hate him, so if he can make peace with Everton maybe he can come back and see his family / mates / inlaws without as much stick.

In reality, Manure without him aren’t a great team, they won't let him go to Chelski so Barca or Madrid is his likely destination within the next 2 yrs, coming back to us???

I would hope we don't want him in 7-8 years time, as he’ll be a big fat bastard by then. The Moyes question, Ian got it right: European pedigree is what they want and not the shit Europa Cup but the big one.

David Hallwood
33   Posted 23/02/2010 at 00:50:35

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Gents, this is like wishing for Father Christmas. If Rooney is going to go anywhere, it will be abroad, but I rather think that he’ll stay with Man U and see out his career. Always remember, all players were boyhood fans and that doesn’t sway them where they play their football.

I’ve posted this before but like thousands of footballers before him, Rooney looked at what was on offer at Everton and didn’t like what he saw, he wanted to win trophies and play at the highest level and who can blame him? It's hardly his fault that the stewardship of our great club has been so poor that we have fallen so far behind the so-called big 4 (and remember, we were once a member of the so-called big 5).

But having said that, if there was any chance of getting him back, I’d drive up to Manchester personally and fetch him: put Rooney in this current side and it's a Premier League winning side!

Jason Lam
34   Posted 23/02/2010 at 01:20:33

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I think Moyes said it right when they just weren’t ready for Wayne Rooney. Moyes had just come over from PNE and on top of our poor form, poor finances and starting a new job as a Premier League manager, he also had to contend with a potential world class local lad at 16. Something which his predecessors never had to handle for reference.

I think in retrospect, probably Moyes could’ve handled it in a different way... even though the results being the same. Hence less resulting vitriol aimed at Rooney. Rooney was only 18 at the time. I would give an 18-year-old the benefit of a doubt.

When Rooney came to the scene with the Dixie 100-year patch on our kit, it was like the Second Coming. He was destined to be the chosen one. Only George Lucas could make this up. Seduced by Darth Manu, only to be saved by the birth of his son. It’s A New Hope all over again. COYB MTFBWY

Julian Wait
35   Posted 23/02/2010 at 04:18:08

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I think this puts it in perspective:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704454304575081233778123888.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel

Now, if he turns down the double money supposedly required to keep him at OT (£200k / week!) and decides to become a free agent, then we can talk about him coming back to Everton... Perhaps.

If he’s prepared to pass up that kind of money to come and earn, say £100k / week at Everton, then I think we should be prepared to forgive and forget and focus on mutual interests.

I can’t see Paul Stretford letting this happen however... and we could never buy Rooney, or match his wages, once he signs that new contract at OT.
Paul Sullivan
36   Posted 23/02/2010 at 13:30:59

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My old feller works at the Theatre of Wet Dreams a lot and chats to the ground staff there regularly. Apparently Moyes is a very frequent visitor, which could mean anything but most likely that he is on good terms with old whisky nose and is working hard to get us first dibs on Fergie’s next cast-offs. Anderson to GP anyone?! Seriously, Moyes would have to do a lot more than finish 5th with Everton to be considered for the OT job.
Jamie Barlow
37   Posted 23/02/2010 at 22:23:01

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Is this conspiracy week? First of all we have the SKY conspiracy. Rodwell is going to United because Dion Dublin was to fuckin lazy and pissed off to pick a worthy MOTM. Now we have Moyes going to Man Utd because two grown ups have patched up their differences. This is what happens when we start to perform and we’ve got nothing else to moan about. Enjoy it while it lasts and stop worrying ffs.
Matthew Lovekin
38   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:45:11

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The following is a letter to The Sun correspondent, Neil Custis in response to the usual praise of Man Utd and specifically, Rooney:

Neil,

Firstly, I am an avid Everton fan. Now that is out of the way, recently just before Everton's recent victory over Man Utd at Goodison, all the media from newspapers to TV were creaming at the recent performances of a certain Wayne Rooney. Perhaps rightly so. Many were rating Rooney as even the best player in the world. Doubtful.

I tend to watch every Barcelona game on Sky Sports in the Spanish League and in the Champions League, and although Rooney's recent performances have been of the highest standard, he still has some way to go to match the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta's almost faultless and wonderfully skilled performances over a much longer period of time.

Everton's result and performance against Man Utd was nothing short of magnificent. United complained about injuries, Everton had Cahill, Fellaini and Jagielka out. United complained about playing in midweek, Everton played the same night and Milan is not exactly a million miles away. United had no grounds for complaints. Everton simply out-fought, out-played and generally were the better team all over the park. This was even more amazing considering United had the new 'best player in the world' in their ranks, who was on top of his game.

The Everton defence contained Rooney to a bit-part player, without their best defender, Jagielka, the best tackler at the club, Hibbert, and without a defensive midfielder. Heitinga was outstanding which is turning into the norm since being moved into the centre-back roll and Distin composed and assured, not bad for a stop gap replacement. Neville's leadership skills organised a well deserved team victory.

Fast forward to last night's game at Old Trafford and the admiration for England's star man continues. I'm not saying I disagree with all the plaudits but in your column today you state:

"Rooney is now among the greatest to have played here (Old Trafford in 100 years) in that time."

and

"He is unstoppable, without parallel in the game at the moment."

The media in this country have a tendency to build up players far too quick and then watch them fall even quicker. Rooney is arguably England's best player at present. Possibly in the top 10 players in the world, top 5 doubtful and definitely not the best in the world, even on current form. If current form, is all that matters, surely Leon Osman would be better than Rooney for the way he controlled the game at Goodison?

There is more to football than just the big players or the big clubs, let the 'little' (as Benitez once described Everton) clubs get the credit they deserve. Rooney's performance against Everton may have just been a blip, a one-off bad performance. However, it might have been something more. It might have been Everton did manage to stop the unstoppable, Heitinga a better defender than Rooney is a forward, Moyes a better tactician to stop Rooney playing.

All I'm trying to say, is give credit where it's due. If Rooney is this greatest ever player that Man Utd have had and the best player in the world who is unstoppable, then give Everton more credit than one day's worth as it is them who tamed England's lion.

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